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thereturnofdark 06-08-2007 06:02 PM

The truth about HID kits......very good read
 
This article here has a ton of interesting information. Being an educated person and also an [B]individual who likes to know useful information and also appreciates not looking stupid i read the whole thing but here's the basic idea


intellexual net · m k i v


MISCONCEPTIONS

There are many companies and private merchants out there that will advertise 7000K, 8000K, and even 12000K HID kits. Most of these vendors lurk around on ebay, online car forums, websites, and ricer accessory shops. 100% of the people that buy these kits do so because they are uninformed, uneducated, or misguided in the field of lighting, and will buy these junk kits thinking three things: that these bulbs are brighter, that these bulbs should cost more money, and/or that they will perform better. All three statements are completely false. Perhaps this misconception and frenzy for purple lights originates from BMW and Audi's infamous Hella projector HIDs.

So allow me to explain the real truth of the matter... Philips is the number one manufacturer of HID bulbs. The Philips OEM D2S bulb is rated at 4100K at 12.8 volts and produces 3200 lumens of light. The Philips Ultinon D2S is 5800K at 12.8 volts and produces 2400 lumens of light. As you can see, with all other factors remaining constant, the brightness of an HID bulb declines the higher up the color index you go. Vision, a Korean bulb manufacturer, makes an 8000K bulb, which they used to advertise on Acura-Forums as 2000 lumens bright. This is barely a marked improvement over halogens, and will produce more glare and eye fatigue than it is beneficial. 4100K has been proven through tireless independent research by the Germans, Japanese, and Americans to be the most functional, truest white and thus the brightest possible color temperature (ceteris paribus).

Every car manufacturer in the world (including BMW and Audi) uses none other than a standard 4100K gas-discharge bulb. No exceptions. The reason being is that 4100K is daylight white in color and produces the same color visible light as direct sunlight. This is least fatiguing functional color on the eyes and produces the most comfortable contrast on the road.

So the million dollar question is now: Why do BMW & Audi lights appear blue when they use a white bulb?

Well, this coloration is the result of the light projectors; the lenses: it's transparency, it's curvature, the tiny grooves etched into it; the projector assembly, the shield, and the reflector bowl. All these components work together to produce a signature of light unique to that particular optic's design. On the Audi and BMW projectors, the lens curvature at the edge bends the white light producing a "prism effect". White light is broken down to it's fundemental colors. Since blue lights is high energy, it is absorbed last and thus travels farther. So with this prism effect, you'll notice that BMW HIDs are only purple and blue from the sides, the top, and the bottom edges, but are always daylight white on the road and in the beam pattern. This phenomenon can be demonstrated when you watch an oncoming BMW hit a pot hole or speed bump in the road and the car's nose pitches up and down. The headlights will flicker and "throw colors off", but returns to a solid white beam pattern directly on the road.

Trying to emulate this color-flickering effect with a solid-state blue or purple bulb is only detrimental to lighting performance, it doesn't fool anyone, but most importantly it endangers other motorists around you. Blue light has what we call a very high diffuse density, which causes it to radiate outwards as opposed to forwards. What results is a wide glow of light outside the beam pattern that is blinding to motorists you share the road with. A blue HID bulb will produce color bleed around the headlight, around the objects it lights up, outside of the beam pattern, and around the cut off line. This is effect is known as "glare", and these illegal and improperly installed HID kits are the reason why HIDs get a bad wrap. As common evidence of glare, observe a traffic light at night in a dimly lit area. There is red light and green light. Red is opposite blue and green is next to blue, thus we can substitute green for blue. If you observe the aura, or glow, of light around a red light and compare it to that of a green light, you'll notice that the green light produces much more glare than red. Blue is even worse. Purple, the worst.
So the basic translation for all you guys who are too lazy to read even this small portion, any sort of "hid kit" that you pay money for that is basically more than 6000k will have a higher "intensity" but have less usable light on the road and tons more glare......Also HID's are NOT blue or purple they just look that way because of the construction of the bulb/housing and also the viewing angle causing a prism effect which shows different colors of the spectrum..... :nerd:

It's also funny how they talk about how REAL HID's from cars that come with it stock don't even exceed 4100K......

thereturnofdark 06-08-2007 06:10 PM

Here are the 8000k HID's that give off the High Intensity blue light but provide hardly any decent light
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...iewtiful/2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...iewtiful/5.jpg

Here are the REAL HID that provides a decent white light and also not much blueness or glare

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...goodcutoff.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...wtiful/305.jpg

Pretty obvious difference....

GsT Racer 06-08-2007 06:21 PM

good read. i think this should be printed out and slapped to the forehead of everyone that owns a car with 6000k + headlights.

good points. i recently learned that is why a lot of parking lot lights are orange, because its a softer color but you can still see fairly well, as opposed to blinding white/blue-ish light.

repd

thereturnofdark 06-08-2007 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by GsT Racer (Post 4259697)
good read. i think this should be printed out and slapped to the forehead of everyone that owns a car with 6000k + headlights.

good points. i recently learned that is why a lot of parking lot lights are orange, because its a softer color but you can still see fairly well, as opposed to blinding white/blue-ish light.

repd

Yah this was a very decent piece of info, i was also misinformed about a lot of things too
Appreciate the rep

-Wu Tang Clan

Puto 06-08-2007 08:25 PM

It's true what they say about watching a car going over a pothole, and noticing the way the lights flicker and give off purples and blues. I've always wondered why, thanks for the good read.

TIM TIM TIM 06-08-2007 08:45 PM

great read, im glad I read it. I am really wanting hids, my headlights blow.

martz0r 06-09-2007 01:46 AM

Yeah, I was planning on going 4300k or something like that anyways, once you get near or past that point the higher the k the lower the light output :)

Outkasted24 06-09-2007 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by GsT Racer (Post 4259697)
good read. i think this should be printed out and slapped to the forehead of everyone that owns a car with 6000k + headlights.
repd

:bigthumb:

Nice informative find.
This should be stickied!!!!

Also Rep for being part of my 4000th post ;)

Hondaholic 06-09-2007 11:51 AM

wow...goood info right there.....

aaron1017 06-09-2007 12:12 PM

I've tried explaining this concept to people in the past, but most never understand. I laugh each time I see those stupid REALLY purple/blue HIDS.

awdsal 06-09-2007 10:46 PM

very interesting

BAMF 06-10-2007 12:10 AM

Very good read - lets hope a few of the :tard:s that use these ridiculous knockoffs read this and wise up a little bit.

By the way, that article forgot to tlak about color distortion. Go out at night, shine a blue light on something with a lot of colors. Then shine a white light...notice the difference...

OMGVTEC 06-10-2007 12:12 AM

Heres a pic of mine, 6000K, Im actually surprised that my HID's illuminate the lines in the street more then OEM HID's. But for some reason when im next to a bmw or Lexus with hids, theirs looks halogen compared to mine. Mine are just so white, I was thinking in the future to try out 5000K, if anyone has them id like to see.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7364/dscf0066ob7.jpg

blurry yes, ill get a better one tomorrow.

opiumdaze 06-10-2007 12:50 AM

about time someone told these people WHY their purple "HID's" are so shitty lol...

senor honda 06-10-2007 03:21 AM

Duke,
The best comparison would be in the same location, but thanks for going to the trouble of posting up. When I look at my heat/color chart,
it pretty much agrees with what you said, and I like a sharp cutoff as your pic showed.

Thanks for the info. Rep for you.-Bob

JonLGT 06-10-2007 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by senor honda (Post 4263282)
Duke,
The best comparison would be in the same location, but thanks for going to the trouble of posting up. When I look at my heat/color chart,
it pretty much agrees with what you said, and I like a sharp cutoff as your pic showed.

Thanks for the info. Rep for you.-Bob

the same car too, one of them has projectors and the other only has reflectors, that is why there is no cutoff in that pic.

dan 06-10-2007 09:52 AM

i've said that same stuff tons of times in past threads, but people don't care. ricers will be ricers, and they just get mad at me when i call them that. oh well.

and actually, all OEMs are rated at 4300K not 4100K...not that there is any noticeable different between the two.

but i do love how people want to get them for that cool blue/purple look...then get pissed off when they dont have it because theyre not running proper projectors, lol. the colors are just light bouncing off the cutoff shield.

Brownsound 06-10-2007 10:33 AM

Great article duke! I have been preaching this stuff forever and people just refuse to learn. There are absolutely no aftermarket bulbs at Autozone that are worth purchasing.

If you have halogen lights, the best and only TRUE upgrade you can do to your lights is to buy HIR bulbs. They $50 a pair but they will safely and dependably produce more lumens and your stock bulbs. They come as OEM equipment on Nissan Maximas and Didge Vipers.

For tons more informative reading about lighting (and a great place to order any type of quality bulb), go to Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply

projectLS 06-10-2007 01:30 PM

I got the 9000ks for my Teg off TR dirt cheap, looks better than stock even if some think its rice. I did plan on the whole retro fit gimmick, but they were dirt cheap, I couldn't pass them up.

my cut off is good because the front is lower than the rear. not once since I've had them has anyone flashed their brights at me for blinding them.

will get 5000k for my Fit.

jlude90 06-10-2007 08:16 PM

HID lighting produces a wider and deeper beam pattern with razor sharp cut off lines and autolevelling motors*

*Only available in factory/OEM installed HID systems excluding Acura

can someone explain this?

the S2000s are beautiful, why would Acura's be any different?

Brownsound 06-10-2007 08:40 PM

good question, maybe it just means that the Acura's don't have autoleveling motors.. ? Maybe the author only knows of one example, it seems strange that there would only be one exception.
I don't even know what an autoleveling motor is, but it sounds kind of self-explanitory.


Originally Posted by projectLS (Post 4264587)
I got the 9000ks for my Teg off TR dirt cheap, looks better than stock even if some think its rice. I did plan on the whole retro fit gimmick, but they were dirt cheap, I couldn't pass them up.

my cut off is good because the front is lower than the rear. not once since I've had them has anyone flashed their brights at me for blinding them.

will get 5000k for my Fit.


Thats just the kind of attitude people talk about.. sacrificing quality, reliability, and safety to save some money. Also, you are putting less lumens onto the road. You can't see as well. They are not better than stock, that is a fact.

markzeronine 06-11-2007 12:40 AM

lol I've always made fun of the ricers going for the BMW hidzzzz look

projectLS 06-11-2007 12:39 PM

glad I could help

VOD 06-11-2007 12:48 PM

it was a good read...id rep ya but..
the 1st rule is i cant tell u why i cant rep ya

thereturnofdark 06-11-2007 07:36 PM

Thanks to everyone for the rep.......Or if you haven't given rep then GIVE IT!!!!

Yah i got this link from another forum when a guy selling a srt4 with a 12000K HID kit and some other guy called him on it. When he tried to retaliate, the guy sprung this website on him and explained to him why scientifically his lights were NOT the HID hawt shit he thought they were.

This was also an educating experience for me too. Instead of ging HID's i might just go with a brand new pair of headlights with some silverstars......

ClockWork 06-12-2007 06:34 AM

Good read. I've been looking into a HID kit recently.

senor honda 06-28-2017 08:14 AM

Good read...

I have acquired some projector beams from Japan and a few other parts.
and I'm doing to cut up some headlights and make something..... :)

senor honda 06-28-2017 08:16 AM

BTW there are some other postings on HID's, B-xenon bulbs and I learned why

some lights only produce glare, but doing it right produces good light.

You will have to put some words in the search bar top right corner.

senor honda 08-02-2017 01:25 AM

I was putting in some projectors from Japan in my 89 Accord, and things were going really well.

Got them cut, shaped, epoxied in.......and then I dropped it and the lense cracked......

Glad I had a spare set... lol

senor honda 02-22-2019 07:23 PM

A good read...bad HID kits, etc.........moving to the top.....


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