How stuff works... Octane ratings..
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If you've read How Car Engines Work, you know that almost all cars use four-stroke gasoline engines. One of the strokes is the compression stroke, where the engine compresses a cylinder-full of air and gas into a much smaller volume before igniting it with a spark plug. The amount of compression is called the compression ratio of the engine. A typical engine might have a compression ratio of 8-to-1. (See How Car Engines Work for details.)
The octane rating of gasoline tells you how much the fuel can be compressed before it spontaneously ignites. When gas ignites by compression rather than because of the spark from the spark plug, it causes knocking in the engine. Knocking can damage an engine, so it is not something you want to have happening. Lower-octane gas (like "regular" 87-octane gasoline) can handle the least amount of compression before igniting.
The compression ratio of your engine determines the octane rating of the gas you must use in the car. One way to increase the horsepower of an engine of a given displacement is to increase its compression ratio. So a "high-performance engine" has a higher compression ratio and requires higher-octane fuel. The advantage of a high compression ratio is that it gives your engine a higher horsepower rating for a given engine weight -- that is what makes the engine "high performance." The disadvantage is that the gasoline for your engine costs more.
The name "octane" comes from the following fact: When you take crude oil and "crack" it in a refinery, you end up getting hydrocarbon chains of different lengths. These different chain lengths can then be separated from each other and blended to form different fuels. For example, you may have heard of methane, propane and butane. All three of them are hydrocarbons. Methane has just a single carbon atom. Propane has three carbon atoms chained together. Butane has four carbon atoms chained together. Pentane has five, hexane has six, heptane has seven and octane has eight carbons chained together.
It turns out that heptane handles compression very poorly. Compress it just a little and it ignites spontaneously. Octane handles compression very well -- you can compress it a lot and nothing happens. Eighty-seven-octane gasoline is gasoline that contains 87-percent octane and 13-percent heptane (or some other combination of fuels that has the same performance of the 87/13 combination of octane/heptane). It spontaneously ignites at a given compression level, and can only be used in engines that do not exceed that compression ratio.
During WWI, it was discovered that you can add a chemical called tetraethyl lead to gasoline and significantly improve its octane rating. Cheaper grades of gasoline could be made usable by adding this chemical. This led to the widespread use of "ethyl" or "leaded" gasoline. Unfortunately, the side effects of adding lead to gasoline are:
Lead clogs a catalytic converter and renders it inoperable within minutes.
The Earth became covered in a thin layer of lead, and lead is toxic to many living things (including humans).
When lead was banned, gasoline got more expensive because refineries could not boost the octane ratings of cheaper grades any more. Airplanes are still allowed to use leaded gasoline, and octane ratings of 115 are commonly used in super-high-performance piston airplane engines (jet engines burn kerosene, by the way).
http://www.howstuffworks.com/question90.htm
If you've read How Car Engines Work, you know that almost all cars use four-stroke gasoline engines. One of the strokes is the compression stroke, where the engine compresses a cylinder-full of air and gas into a much smaller volume before igniting it with a spark plug. The amount of compression is called the compression ratio of the engine. A typical engine might have a compression ratio of 8-to-1. (See How Car Engines Work for details.)
The octane rating of gasoline tells you how much the fuel can be compressed before it spontaneously ignites. When gas ignites by compression rather than because of the spark from the spark plug, it causes knocking in the engine. Knocking can damage an engine, so it is not something you want to have happening. Lower-octane gas (like "regular" 87-octane gasoline) can handle the least amount of compression before igniting.
The compression ratio of your engine determines the octane rating of the gas you must use in the car. One way to increase the horsepower of an engine of a given displacement is to increase its compression ratio. So a "high-performance engine" has a higher compression ratio and requires higher-octane fuel. The advantage of a high compression ratio is that it gives your engine a higher horsepower rating for a given engine weight -- that is what makes the engine "high performance." The disadvantage is that the gasoline for your engine costs more.
The name "octane" comes from the following fact: When you take crude oil and "crack" it in a refinery, you end up getting hydrocarbon chains of different lengths. These different chain lengths can then be separated from each other and blended to form different fuels. For example, you may have heard of methane, propane and butane. All three of them are hydrocarbons. Methane has just a single carbon atom. Propane has three carbon atoms chained together. Butane has four carbon atoms chained together. Pentane has five, hexane has six, heptane has seven and octane has eight carbons chained together.
It turns out that heptane handles compression very poorly. Compress it just a little and it ignites spontaneously. Octane handles compression very well -- you can compress it a lot and nothing happens. Eighty-seven-octane gasoline is gasoline that contains 87-percent octane and 13-percent heptane (or some other combination of fuels that has the same performance of the 87/13 combination of octane/heptane). It spontaneously ignites at a given compression level, and can only be used in engines that do not exceed that compression ratio.
During WWI, it was discovered that you can add a chemical called tetraethyl lead to gasoline and significantly improve its octane rating. Cheaper grades of gasoline could be made usable by adding this chemical. This led to the widespread use of "ethyl" or "leaded" gasoline. Unfortunately, the side effects of adding lead to gasoline are:
Lead clogs a catalytic converter and renders it inoperable within minutes.
The Earth became covered in a thin layer of lead, and lead is toxic to many living things (including humans).
When lead was banned, gasoline got more expensive because refineries could not boost the octane ratings of cheaper grades any more. Airplanes are still allowed to use leaded gasoline, and octane ratings of 115 are commonly used in super-high-performance piston airplane engines (jet engines burn kerosene, by the way).
http://www.howstuffworks.com/question90.htm
nice,i seen a thing on the history channel about gas it was pretty cool.alot of poeple don't know that gas is all the same u can go to shell or 7/11 it's still the same shit only thing that make it diff is what they add to it.some add stuff to make it clean the motor and so on and so on.
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So if I put 93 Octane (The Premium expensive kind, I dunno if its 93 or more) in my Eclipse Spyder GS can it handle it, or should I stick with 87. I was told by one of my friends that 93 has better mileage or something.
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It's interesting that planes can use leaded gas...doesn't that lead do the same harm as if it were used in a car?
As for you're Eclipse, check the manual, use whatever it recommends for the minimum.
I know my MX-6 has a knock sensor, so if I were to put in lower octane gas, even though it's supposed to use 91+, 89 or 87 won't kill the engine because it will automatically adjust due to the knock that might occur. Of course it will reduce performance some as well. I don't sweat the extra $0.20 for the premium when I have to use it.
Isn't it interesting that the difference between the 3 grades is almost always $0.10 away from each other, regardless of how bad the oil crisis is for us? And BTW I just saw a Shell with gas for $1.80, $1.90, $1.99. I guess they didn't want to cause sticker shock for those getting premium seeing $2.00. Or they don't have their 2's out of storage (;
As for you're Eclipse, check the manual, use whatever it recommends for the minimum.
I know my MX-6 has a knock sensor, so if I were to put in lower octane gas, even though it's supposed to use 91+, 89 or 87 won't kill the engine because it will automatically adjust due to the knock that might occur. Of course it will reduce performance some as well. I don't sweat the extra $0.20 for the premium when I have to use it.
Isn't it interesting that the difference between the 3 grades is almost always $0.10 away from each other, regardless of how bad the oil crisis is for us? And BTW I just saw a Shell with gas for $1.80, $1.90, $1.99. I guess they didn't want to cause sticker shock for those getting premium seeing $2.00. Or they don't have their 2's out of storage (;
Originally posted by NoAccelerationAuto
So if I put 93 Octane (The Premium expensive kind, I dunno if its 93 or more) in my Eclipse Spyder GS can it handle it, or should I stick with 87. I was told by one of my friends that 93 has better mileage or something.
So if I put 93 Octane (The Premium expensive kind, I dunno if its 93 or more) in my Eclipse Spyder GS can it handle it, or should I stick with 87. I was told by one of my friends that 93 has better mileage or something.
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Originally posted by moldyhands
Show me an 11 second import that only has a few thousand in it, and I'll show you a car owner that's always talking about when his car's going to get fixed and what broke.
Show me an 11 second import that only has a few thousand in it, and I'll show you a car owner that's always talking about when his car's going to get fixed and what broke.
Originally posted by DebianDog
You put the one in that is recommended for your car unless you have modded/retuned it to run at another octane level.
You put the one in that is recommended for your car unless you have modded/retuned it to run at another octane level.
I don't always agree. If you have an NA 4 cylinder that is stock and they tell you to run premium, theres no reason to unless it has an extreme compression ratio. It doesn't "burn cleaner," "give you better mileage," or any of the other myths. Octane rating is just as the article states; a determinant in when knocking will occur. Different brands of gasoline may contain detergents and other additives, but it has nothing to do with octane ratings.
Originally posted by Ryde _Or_Die
I don't always agree. If you have an NA 4 cylinder that is stock and they tell you to run premium, theres no reason to unless it has an extreme compression ratio. It doesn't "burn cleaner," "give you better mileage," or any of the other myths. Octane rating is just as the article states; a determinant in when knocking will occur. Different brands of gasoline may contain detergents and other additives, but it has nothing to do with octane ratings.
I don't always agree. If you have an NA 4 cylinder that is stock and they tell you to run premium, theres no reason to unless it has an extreme compression ratio. It doesn't "burn cleaner," "give you better mileage," or any of the other myths. Octane rating is just as the article states; a determinant in when knocking will occur. Different brands of gasoline may contain detergents and other additives, but it has nothing to do with octane ratings.
I remember I had an Interpid and the 3.5 liters demanded 91 while the 3.0 liters were good with 89. My buddy that had one (3.0) got better gas milage and performance from the lower octane while mine pinged with anything less than 91.
Last edited by DebianDog; Apr 16, 2004 at 07:22 PM.
Originally posted by DebianDog
ANNNIIIITTTT Wrong. The manufacturer tests each octane level for the car. And odds are if you have a low HP 4 banger... you have a 89 or 87 octane requirement.
I remember I had an Interpid and the 3.5 liters demanded 91 while the 3.0 liters were good with 89. My buddy that had one (3.0) got better gas milage and performance from the lower octane while mine pinged with anything less than 91.
ANNNIIIITTTT Wrong. The manufacturer tests each octane level for the car. And odds are if you have a low HP 4 banger... you have a 89 or 87 octane requirement.
I remember I had an Interpid and the 3.5 liters demanded 91 while the 3.0 liters were good with 89. My buddy that had one (3.0) got better gas milage and performance from the lower octane while mine pinged with anything less than 91.
So your telling me your are one of the ones that believes octane rating to be anything other than used to determine when your engine will knock? Or just that you should use what the manufacturer calls for even if its a 4 cylinder?
And your right about the getting better gas mileage and performance from lower octane. You essentially want to run the lowest octane you can without pinging. I have no idea what would make an intrepid ping, but I bet its not just the gas.
Originally posted by 97blkz
The dodge symbol?
The dodge symbol?
Funny. No it was the gas.
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Originally posted by moldyhands
Show me an 11 second import that only has a few thousand in it, and I'll show you a car owner that's always talking about when his car's going to get fixed and what broke.
Show me an 11 second import that only has a few thousand in it, and I'll show you a car owner that's always talking about when his car's going to get fixed and what broke.


