Hurstmeister

I have a zippo you can borrow as long as you get it on film.

Hurst

10sec306

The 2 guys you used for a basis is a joke, if you can't get it done with 427 CI with a 225cc head something is WRONG!!!

10sec306

Yeah and they all said the 306 would not go in the 10's, when it went 6.30's to the 1/8th they was all calling bullshit till you asked them if they wanted to put any money on it, but they never would.

Hurstmeister

10's out of 306ci NA is old news. They were running that back in the 90's and they didnt need 500hp to do it. I've read at least 2 dozen articles in magazines over the years of guys who ran in the 10's with mainly stock parts, E7's included. Try that on for size,..

I'd still prefer a 427 windsor spraying a 250 shot running 8's vs a 306 on the ragged edge of coming apart trying to hunt down a 9 sec ET.

500hp 347 will be a pretty nasty and the added torq will help attain your goals for sure. But you bitch about weight and such of the 351,.. then explain all the guys in the 80's and 90's using 460/C6 combo's that ran 10's and 9's at well over 125 - 130 mph NA ? I had an 83 and put in a 67 390 with a 2 barrel carb. Headers and a C6 and ran low 12's with a $500 motor through a 7.5 rear. Torq over rules weight.

I never said you cant do it with less cubes,.. my point is that you can not deny the advantage of added displacement.

Hurst

slow306stang

its really not that wild of a combo

but i understand that bigger engiens can do it safer, you just don't need them really. if i had over 400ci's i would hope i had over 600hp though.

GNs-r-slow

Not going to get into a pissing match, but here it goes
As much as you been to the track, you really should go to some real events, with real cars, that run real times. And you would realize how rediculous that sounds.
The costs and caliber of parts ($$$$$$)for high 9's to high 8's is further than what you realize

Hurstmeister

No pissing match needed,.. the engine is the simple part. The chassis and suspension is the rest.

Guy over on N2S from WPB area (Somewhere down there) (I'd click over to get his name,.. but I'm feeling lazy. He used to come to all the DH events. He had a really really simple and stupid combo. Late model roller 351 block, a cast 408 rotating assembly, TFS or AFR ( I honestly dont remember ) 205cc heads, The big Vic intake, carb, a progressive kit using 250hp jets, The rear was tubbed out, 4 link with 31x13 tires, Powerglide trans, I dont remember the gear ratio,.. I want to say 4.30 or 4.56,.. but dont hold me to that. He ran 8.80's and swears he had less than $15k in the whole car including the motor.

His car was what originally got me on the whole 351 stroker kick when I sold my 306. Remember my original plans were to use the C9OE block I got from Ray,.. do a cheap cast kit and spray the piss out of it hoping for 700 - 750? That was then,.. now I have crazier goals. Started my internship 3 weeks ago. 18 months of classes left. If things go well I'll have a starting salary of $75k with $5 - $10k quarterly bonuses. I just have to drudge through this period of not having any spending money. Momma said As long as the bills get covered I can keep my bonus checks,.. right there will be the money I need to get m 93 on the track. I have to suffer now,.. but should be living very comfortably after I graduate. Then its game on. You should have your car done by then. If your as fast and what I think you will be,.. we should be pretty competitive. I'm aiming for 750 - 800 on pump gas and 1200+ full tilt. And yes I'm still going to try it through the TKO,.. but will more than likely end up with either a Glide or C6 later down the road.

Hurst

Stoopid Wendy

I've seen alot of junk parts put together and fly. I've had 2 different cars and 3 different engine combos (all chevy) run 6.9-6.6 on the engine (also 10yrs ago or more) It's cheap and easy to make them run but, not so cheap to make them last.

I was always a motor/nos guy till we bought our mustang and now that we've done the supercharger then turbo thing, i would never do an all motor thing again. I had a 12:1 355 and a 302(chevy) that was 14:1, they aren't much fun to drive or i'm getting old. A simple engine with boost makes stupid power, Wendy's car had the smallest head/cam combo i've ever run and made an easy 300hp more, with more left in it.

With the technology of EFI, carbs, heads and cams in the last 5-10 years, it's easier now to make that 500hp number on a 302 than ever.

john

10sec306

Anyone can go faster with more CI, but it is not needed for what the OP is wanting. You talk about being on the ragged edge, I have beat the shit out of my junk for over a year and a half with 10.5:1 and a hydraulic roller, tore it apart and everything looks perfect with a stock block and stock crank, but it's on the ragged edge. Kyle has run his for 2 seasons, but it's on the ragged edge.

Is it easier to do with 400+ CI, yes it is, but who gives a shit about 400 CI that runs 10's? When someone comes up to me at the track and ask what I was running and I say a N/A 306 and they say "bullshit there aint no way" that is the best compliment I have ever been given.

You say it's easy to go 10's with a 306, ever tried it??... much less low 10's, trust me it's not easy with 93 octane and a hydraulic roller that won't buck you out of the seat going down the road.

Stoopid Wendy

A good engine also doesn't mean much if the car doesn't work.

^^That's flying on a 306, no dout. How hard do you spin it? What's the compression, if you don't mind?

john