The official 2012 NFL Thread.

[*JamReX*]

They aren't going to suprise anyone.

They will have a more stable starter in Newton than what they went through last year with Moore and Clausen, but they will still have inexperience on their side. They've got a new coach, a #1 WR who is constantly hurt and underperforming, a QB who will be inconsistent, and a defense that was very spotty last year. The only thing that Carolina has on their side is DeAngelo Williams, but even then, with a lack of weapons and supporting cast, he wont be able to do much. Carolina will be lucky to win 4 games.

Ands thats a 100% improvement from last year... if my math is right lol I dont think theyre a wildcard team.. .but because of that spotty defense, because of williams, and because the new QB and coach have never been scouted i think they have a shot to do some things. Shit theyre better than the seahawks.. and they made it to the second round of the playoffs.

The vey top of the division. Is on another level. Green Bay, Philly, NO, and Atlanta. But the rest of the NFC is pretty closely matched. Some teams, like the Lions have more weapons than others.. but no one has really proven themselves. And the four NFC south teams always play each other tough anyway.

[rotarykidd]

so its more of a management and coaching issue? like a monkey picking the biggest fruits without thinking if they'll go together well? kind of like buying two big players and hoping you get a ring out of it, not really thinking if they'll work together? *cough heat... trollface.jpeg

[*JamReX*]

so its more of a management and coaching issue? like a monkey picking the biggest fruits without thinking if they'll go together well? kind of like buying two big players and hoping you get a ring out of it, not really thinking if they'll work together? *cough heat... trollface.jpeg

bad teams are almost ALWAYS because of coaching/mngmt players have no say in strategy and personell for the most part.

[rotarykidd]

i really am not the biggest fan of the NFL, there just really isnt any loyalty like you find in college football. unfortunately i have been leaning towards arizona, but the main reason they made it to the superbowl that year was because of fitzgerald. and teams have been compensating for that. not so much of a secret weapon now, huh?

[*JamReX*]

[QUOTE=rotarykidd;8905189]i really am not the biggest fan of the NFL, there just really isnt any loyalty like you find in college football. unfortunately i have been leaning towards arizona, but the main reason they made it to the superbowl that year was because of fitzgerald. and teams have been compensating for that. not so much of a secret weapon now, huh?[/QUOTE

not a big fan of the ncaa.. its nice to watch kids kill themselves every game instead of playing for money.. but the talent is so unfailry distributed most games are unfair and dont make any sense to watch.

[JH26]

Ands thats a 100% improvement from last year... if my math is right lol I dont think theyre a wildcard team.. .but because of that spotty defense, because of williams, and because the new QB and coach have never been scouted i think they have a shot to do some things. Shit theyre better than the seahawks.. and they made it to the second round of the playoffs.

The vey top of the division. Is on another level. Green Bay, Philly, NO, and Atlanta. But the rest of the NFC is pretty closely matched. Some teams, like the Lions have more weapons than others.. but no one has really proven themselves. And the four NFC south teams always play each other tough anyway.

Yeah, if you want to look at it like that, its a 100% improvement over the amount of wins they had last year. BUT, its not going to suprise anyone. Everyone in American knows they are gonna lose, so if they do only win 4 games, then everyone will write it off as one of those "I figured that" type of things.

They've got at least 3-4 years before they are even close to competing. I mean they fell off of the map pretty quick, going from a threat in the NFC South, to basically being the "gimme" games for teams in that division. At this juncture, im not gonna agree or disagree with you about them being better than the Seahawks, because at the moment, the Seahawks dont have anyone worth a damn at QB. But, in Seattles defense, the team they have this year is not the team that made the playoffs and beat the Saints last year.

[*JamReX*]

Yeah, if you want to look at it like that, its a 100% improvement over the amount of wins they had last year. BUT, its not going to suprise anyone. Everyone in American knows they are gonna lose, so if they do only win 4 games, then everyone will write it off as one of those "I figured that" type of things.

They've got at least 3-4 years before they are even close to competing. I mean they fell off of the map pretty quick, going from a threat in the NFC South, to basically being the "gimme" games for teams in that division. At this juncture, im not gonna agree or disagree with you about them being better than the Seahawks, because at the moment, the Seahawks dont have anyone worth a damn at QB. But, in Seattles defense, the team they have this year is not the team that made the playoffs and beat the Saints last year.

Any team that doubles their win total does alright lol And yea they fell off the map. They lost Peppers.. but theyre defense isnt THAT far off. But they still got williams.. and their QB (delhomme) wasnt that good anyway. I dont think theyre 4 years off what they were personnel wise its more about the kind of competition there is in the league. If the panthers played in the nfc west we would be talking about them making the playoffs.

[JH26]

Any team that doubles their win total does alright lol And yea they fell off the map. They lost Peppers.. but theyre defense isnt THAT far off. But they still got williams.. and their QB (delhomme) wasnt that good anyway. I dont think theyre 4 years off what they were personnel wise its more about the kind of competition there is in the league. If the panthers played in the nfc west we would be talking about them making the playoffs.

Yeah, but according to all of you guys last year, the Bucs won 10 games last year, and increased their win total by over 300%, but yet in you guy's eyes, they still sucked and hadn't proved anything. Sounds a bit contradictive. Dont ya think?

Their defense cant compete when they are always on the field and winded. Their offense has got to produce, otherwise, the defense is ate up and worn out before halftime. The Panthers used to be good. Delhomme wasn't a perennial QB, but he was a good fit for the team and got shit done with the weapons he had.

Even if the Panthers were in the NFC West, they still would suck, and talking about them being in the playoffs would still be a stretch, because they would have to win the division to get in, because every other division would be too tough for them to get in on a wild card. They might win 5-6 games at best out there. You've got to think, the West has got Arizona, which seems to have found someone reliable with Kevin Kolb at QB, and obviously Larry Fitzgerald. You've got St. Louis, which is emerging as a good team behind Sam Bradford and Steven Jackson. And then you've got San Francisco and Seattle. San Francisco has so many issues on that team I dont know where to start. They are probably right there with Carolina for the NFC's worst team. Seattle on the other hand has a good team and good foundation, they just need a QB. They have all the same team from last year, minus Hassleback but added Sidney Rice. If Rice stays healthy, and Cincy gets off their horse and trades Carson Palmer like everyone is speculating, then he will go to Seattle, and Seattle will be a decent team.

But even then Carolina cant compete in any division right now. Not even for a wild card spot.

[*JamReX*]

Yeah, but according to all of you guys last year, the Bucs won 10 games last year, and increased their win total by over 300%, but yet in you guy's eyes, they still sucked and hadn't proved anything. Sounds a bit contradictive. Dont ya think?

Their defense cant compete when they are always on the field and winded. Their offense has got to produce, otherwise, the defense is ate up and worn out before halftime. The Panthers used to be good. Delhomme wasn't a perennial QB, but he was a good fit for the team and got shit done with the weapons he had.

Even if the Panthers were in the NFC West, they still would suck, and talking about them being in the playoffs would still be a stretch, because they would have to win the division to get in, because every other division would be too tough for them to get in on a wild card. They might win 5-6 games at best out there. You've got to think, the West has got Arizona, which seems to have found someone reliable with Kevin Kolb at QB, and obviously Larry Fitzgerald. You've got St. Louis, which is emerging as a good team behind Sam Bradford and Steven Jackson. And then you've got San Francisco and Seattle. San Francisco has so many issues on that team I dont know where to start. They are probably right there with Carolina for the NFC's worst team. Seattle on the other hand has a good team and good foundation, they just need a QB. They have all the same team from last year, minus Hassleback but added Sidney Rice. If Rice stays healthy, and Cincy gets off their horse and trades Carson Palmer like everyone is speculating, then he will go to Seattle, and Seattle will be a decent team.

But even then Carolina cant compete in any division right now. Not even for a wild card spot.

Carolina will suck lol. I never once said theyd be good.. i dont even think ive said they will be decent. Simply that they will SURPRISE. IIRC the Bucs, Falcons, & Panthers were only a position or two off each other in total defense. That means the panthers arent too far off, and i believe adding newton to a solid running game will be enough to throw them into the discussion in that mediocre field in the NFC. And we definitely disagree about the 'Hawks. IMO they are hands down the WORST team in the NFL. They have the absolute worst QB and no matter the talent they have around it. Jackson is bound to throw that shit away. Kolb, Newton, Bradford, Stafford, even Newton AND Alex Smith are better qbs than Jackson. Hes a slot receiver at best. Definitely not a starting QB.

[JH26]

Carolina will suck lol. I never once said theyd be good.. i dont even think ive said they will be decent. Simply that they will SURPRISE. IIRC the Bucs, Falcons, & Panthers were only a position or two off each other in total defense. That means the panthers arent too far off, and i believe adding newton to a solid running game will be enough to throw them into the discussion in that mediocre field in the NFC. And we definitely disagree about the 'Hawks. IMO they are hands down the WORST team in the NFL. They have the absolute worst QB and no matter the talent they have around it. Jackson is bound to throw that shit away. Kolb, Newton, Bradford, Stafford, even Newton AND Alex Smith are better qbs than Jackson. Hes a slot receiver at best. Definitely not a starting QB.

Alex Smith is garbage. To even put him in the same bracket as the other QBs is an insult to them.

I wont argue with you though about Jackson. He is not a QB. Chances are that until the Bengals get off of Carson Palmer, then Charlie Whitehurst will have the starting job.

[*JamReX*]

Alex Smith is garbage. To even put him in the same bracket as the other QBs is an insult to them.

I wont argue with you though about Jackson. He is not a QB. Chances are that until the Bengals get off of Carson Palmer, then Charlie Whitehurst will have the starting job.

Smith is terrible. But compared to jackson he is Peyton Manning. The Seahawks should have signed Matt Leinart. He wasnt good in AZ but thats his coach in Seattle.

[CoRDiTe]

Do you even watch sports Cordite???? Newton threw one touchdown last weekend and they named him the starter 3 days ago......

Carolina isn't going up. They are going to have the same record. Carolina won't make any noise, they will look "promising" but will still lose each game by at least 2 scores. ATL, NO, and Tampa are going to get 2 guaranteed wins out of Carolina each.

I didn't watch the last week of preseason because mosto f the players playing were no one important. So he threw one touchdown pass all preseason... Ladies and gentlemen we have a winner.

[CoRDiTe]

no seriously, everything about cleveland sucks. especially their sports teams. i am embarrassed as hell to be a browns fan. my question is, if they suck EVERY year and get some of the best draft picks, why do they continue to suck? now, before i am flammed, remember that i am a fairy and dont really know shit about the draft. but hey, atleast i know the draft is more than just a feeling you get when you forget to wear underwear with your sisters dress you stole.

GTFO kyle. Go through Cleveland's history and you will see how great the Browns have been throughout history. Even the Indians were great at one point. So were the Cavs.

[CoRDiTe]

I think you guys forgot that the Browns fixed up their management department. With Mike Holgram at the helm I am almost certain he will change the Browns around. They may not be Superbowl contenders or Playoff contenders, but they will be improving.

[F4A22]

Please keep this guy out of this thread. Not another year of this bullshit. Its like talking football with my uncle.. he still thinks Lynch is the bucs QB.



I didnt say he was amazing. Shit i didnt even say he was good. But think about what Carolina did last year.. exactly. Only way to go is up. NFC south is the most closely balanced division in football and with all teams locked in dogfights with ATL & NO the bucs and Carolina might surprise some people and make a little bit of noise.. i dont think they win 10 again. But it should be interesting.

I'm still waiting for you to claim a team you root for instead of just spewing out blabber and whatnot about every team.I'm attending 2 Bucs games this year maybe more.If the Bucs avoid injuries i dont see why they can't compete compared to last year.They face a majority of teams that are pass happy and with any slight improvement up front the secondary will be top five like in the past.Heres my week 1 picks:

Gb over NO
Chicago over Atl
Buffalo over Kc
Cleveland over Cincinatti
Tb over Detroit
Titans over Jags
Texans over Indy
Eagles over Rams
Ravens over Steelers
Sd over Minnesota
NYG over Redskins
Az over Panthers
49ers over Seattle
Dallas over NYJ
Ne over Miami
Denver over Oakland