Bail Out Fails

[chucho501]

Do U Really Think Is That Simple To Get A Greencard ????? Im Not Illegal But Have U Ever Ask Yourself How Much Does It Cost, And How Many Years Does It Take ?

[BUILT RB25]

Originally Posted by 95coBraSVT

So, this guy takes most of the NON-TAXED money and sends it to MEXICO. Let me see here...Where is the problem with this whole scenereo? Damn...This is the stupidest crap I've ever heard of. No freaking wonder this country is going to shit. You think it's OK for neither of you to be paying taxes on his income? And then for him to be sending US dollars back to his country? You think it's OK? You say it's OK because he works hard??? Are you shitting me? I wish I knew who the hell this guy was and you too. I would report BOTH of your asses. One to INS, and the other to the IRS. Dude, if you want to help out a 3rd world country, keep doing what you're doing now. Then, in two years move to freaking Mexico and pay illegal Americans to work there so they can send their peso's back to the US. Because if people like you continue doing this crap, then the US will end up BEING a 3rd world country. You are just as much of the problem as the problematic banks and the gooberment for this whole craphole problem. Just do the whole country a favor and GTHO now please.

I don't care HOW hard he is working. You are taking work away from AMERICANS who NEED the work for their families HERE in the United States. So what if an American works slower, so pay him less. He still pays taxes (woah...That MIGHT help with this countries debt problem if all the illegals were gone or paying taxes...can't have THAT happen) and we keep the money here in the United States. You are helping the one way highway.

You hate your own country so much you would rather HELP to run it into the ground. Un-American Bastard. GTFO!

Honestly man, you need to take it easy. If you think for just 1 second that any business owner actually pays their full taxes, you are deceived. The main problem is all the loopholes that government decided NOT to fix. I don't hate my country. I was born in florida and lived here my entire life. Why is the country in debt? Its because of poor lending practices, and people having the necessity to max their credit cards when they can't pay them. Many people look to loans and credit cards to help them when they need money, thats not what a credit card is there for. A credit card has only 1 purpose, and thats to build credit. When the debt doesnt get paid back, the banks and financial institutions go down. Im not against my country but when my business is affected by the economy, it pisses me off to see how much debt there really is. Everyone is using the loopholes to their advantage. For my personal business being affected, im now buying homes from the banks that are in trouble for cash prices in pasco county. Paying 20K for a house in pasco is fine with me. Ill be renting the houses out to families that deserve to be rented to, and deserve to actually live in a house. Theres many rich millionaires that will easily double or triple their money because of this depression. Im actually helping banks and helping people to get into a home. Stop bitching at world for your mistakes. Rich people don't complain about this major problem, they are barely affected. Its the broke people that bitch about their prior mistakes that doesnt help anyone. If you actually own properties right now, yes you are affected by the cost of your home.

[95coBraSVT]

Originally Posted by chucho501

Do U Really Think Is That Simple To Get A Greencard ????? Im Not Illegal But Have U Ever Ask Yourself How Much Does It Cost, And How Many Years Does It Take ?

Yes, actually, I DO know how difficult it is. Did you ever ask yourself WHY it is so difficult? It is that way to make sure the person coming here is not going to just leach off of society and the welfare system. It is also that way to make sure the person is willing to abide by the federal and state laws here. If they are not willing to do this, then they are willing to break other laws as well if it suits them at the time. So, is it right (caution: dramatic example to follow) to kill a kid, and then just leave the scene so that you can further yourself and make yourself better? I mean, you killed the kid for the $50,000 he had in his suitcase, and now you have that suitcase. He was just a kid....you have a whole family! Right?


You ask me these questions like I have no clue about how difficult it is. Let me tell you a little story: My martial arts instructor is from Mexico City. He moved here (illegally) when he was only 13 years old. He is now in his 50's, and only 6 years ago became a legal citizen. When I found out he was illegal, I actually HELPED him to gain legal citizenship. He speaks spanish fluently as well as english. He knew that in order to make it in America, he would have to learn to speak the language, so he did. This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the economy and security of this country.

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back to topic.......

[95coBraSVT]

Originally Posted by BUILT RB25

Honestly man, you need to take it easy. If you think for just 1 second that any business owner actually pays their full taxes, you are deceived.

Am I really? I own a business, and I pay every red cent that I am required to. I have not paid some attorney or public accountant to find loopholes so I can skate around paying what is due to do my part to help this society and make myself a little richer. So are you sure about that?

Originally Posted by Built RB25

The main problem is all the loopholes that government decided NOT to fix.

Loopholes which you continue to take advantage of rather than help to fix.

Originally Posted by Built RB25

I don't hate my country. I was born in florida and lived here my entire life.

Then do something to help fix the COUNTRY rather than help yourself to get richer.

Originally Posted by Built RB25

Why is the country in debt? Its because of poor lending practices, and people having the necessity to max their credit cards when they can't pay them.

Not entirely. Part of it is due to the massive amounts of illegals in the country. Try about 20 million illegals as of 2004 and growing by 10,000 each day on average. Now, if even HALF of these 20 million illegals paid the taxes on their earned money, then we would be in a much better position than we are now. Would it solve our problem? Not even, but we would be much closer than we are today. But I DO agree that the banks have fouled this up majorly with poor lending practices. (which BTW, it looks as though you have taken advantage of also, but due to your personal situation, you are able to pay the loans)

Originally Posted by Built RB25

Many people look to loans and credit cards to help them when they need money, thats not what a credit card is there for. A credit card has only 1 purpose, and thats to build credit.

and what is the credit FOR? I mean, it is useless to have something that you can't use. So, what is the credit for? It is for when you don't have ENOUGH MONEY to pay for something. Like when you are at the grocery store....Or Walmart, or any number of other places. Poor spending practices played a HUGE part in this, not just using credit cards and loans.

Originally Posted by Built RB25

When the debt doesnt get paid back, the banks and financial institutions go down.

so I say let them go under like any other regular person/business. To hell with this whole bail out thing.

Originally Posted by Built RB25

Im not against my country but when my business is affected by the economy, it pisses me off to see how much debt there really is.

Then do something to help.

Originally Posted by Built RB25

Everyone is using the loopholes to their advantage.

Including yourself, so you are as much of the problem as those who you are trying to blame.

Originally Posted by Built RB25

For my personal business being affected, im now buying homes from the banks that are in trouble for cash prices in pasco county. Paying 20K for a house in pasco is fine with me.

So it isn't REALLY adversly affecting you or your business. In fact this whole thing is HELPING you to become richer, so you are actually LOVING it aren;t you?

Originally Posted by Built RB25

Ill be renting the houses out to families that deserve to be rented to, and deserve to actually live in a house.

Who? The illegals who have not done anything except flee from the law since they have been here breaking who knows what laws to remain where they are not welcome or supposed to be? Yeah, they "deserve" a home in America. Pfff

Originally Posted by Built RB25

Theres many rich millionaires that will easily double or triple their money because of this depression.

I agree. This whole thing will just help the rich to make more money and further seperate the upper class form the lower class. It's sad really.

Originally Posted by Built RB25

Im actually helping banks and helping people to get into a home. Stop bitching at world for your mistakes.

I'm not bitching at anyone for MY mistakes. My only mistake in life so far was not staying in college and maybe not going in to the medical profesion(sp).

Originally Posted by Built RB25

Rich people don't complain about this major problem, they are barely affected.

Thats because they have the cash to make it through things like this and capitolize on it by further shoving hard working class people further down.

Originally Posted by Built RB25

Its the broke people that bitch about their prior mistakes that doesnt help anyone. If you actually own properties right now, yes you are affected by the cost of your home.

Actually, I sold my property before this whole crisis got so bad. I only made a 60,000 profit on it, but it was a profit nonetheless.


So, let me recap a bit here....

1) You have no problems with hiring illegal alliens to work for you.
2) You have no problem with screwing over the IRS with loopholes.
3) You don't WANT to fix a broken system because it nets you massive profits.
4) You are actually ENJOYING watching everyone scamper about like chicken little screaming "the (market) is falling!"
5) You seem to think that everyone who is not as well off as you are is not a "hard working individual".


I seriously think that you work SMART, and for that I commend you, but I doubt that you work HARD. So do you deserve what you have any less because you don't work "hard"? I didn't think so. Tell us this, did you make your own fortune? Or were you born into it? i.e. Mommy and daddy paid for your college education or they gave you your own company? I seriously doubt I will get the truth on this one. You have shown your willingness to lie, and cheat when it suits yourself to do so. (tax loopholes, and hiring illegals )

[95coBraSVT]

On the part of the debts owed, lets merge this with the illegals. How many of them have massive amounts of debt? A lot of them do. They get credit cards with their kids (who were born here) SS numbers. Then, because there is no way to keep track of the illegal, they simply walk away from the debt and disapear. YAY, lets let more in!

[BUILT RB25]

Its not my job or responsibility in any way to fix or help the government. And to set the record straight, mommy and daddy never helped me with money. I never went to college. I would never go to college. EVER. I'm not going to argue with you, you have your morals and opinions and I have mine. I never said I was better than anyone else. I simply stated my OPINION that the main cause of this economy is a result of lazyness. There are many foreigners that are scummy people that cause many crimes and problems for society and those people should not live in america. But most of the foreign people I have dealt with have a great work ethic and they are great people. Im not here to argue personally with you. I simply stated my opinion, leave it at that. Growing up in a family where my parents were not financially stable/financially responsible made me work my ass off to get where I am today.

[95coBraSVT]

Originally Posted by BUILT RB25

Its not my job or responsibility in any way to fix or help the government.

This is where you're wrong. As an AMERICAN, it is your responsibility to help and fix. If you think otherwise, then you are no better than the others that want to destroy us. You are motivated by money, and that is obvious. No-one else BUT Americans can fix this. We have to fix OURSELVES, not hope and pray that others will fix it for us.

I will agree with you that there are a LOT of lazy Americans. I have seen a lot of them say things like "I aint gonna do that for that amount of money". Well, then thats fine, someone else will and you will always be poor, or the employer will have to pay more and therefore, raise the price of their goods.

[g-50Cab]

You guys need to get out a little more and see how the world really operates.

While you were whining about the $3111 (or $450,000 for those that are bad at math) your 401k (and 70% of the US working population was a 401K or similiar program) you probably lost more than that YESTERDAY.

Banks work on ratios - if their ratios are off (such as having a large amount of loans that are not performing) the bank quits being a bank and starts becoming a holding company. That means no new loans, no new lines of credit. Approximately 80% of business have some form of loan or line of credit in which they operate or expand their business.

No line of credit - for some businesses mean no business. For some it means cut back - less staff. If you lose your job - can you keep up your house payment? for many - no - so more houses in default means more screwed up bank ratios - which means less loans - It's a cycle - one that can spin us in to recession/depression.

Am I happy we are there now? No. But in reality - this started with some arcane Urban development act that started with the Jimmy Carter years. "Creative Loans" to get people into houses they may not be able to afford. Then leave it to California to take an idea (in this case, a bad idea) and run with it. They got real creative and those loans spilled over to other parts of the US. Personally I think that the folks falsifying loan documentation should be arrested and put in jail (it is fraud).

Alot of consolidation in the banking industry - lots of folks (some good ones) will be losing their jobs. I don't have a problem with the greedy ones losing their job. Hopefully we as a country can learn from this debacle so we don't repeat it!

[Gotrice?99]

Im going to agree with built_RB25on this issue....dont hate because your the failure and not making bank. obviously he is doing something right and your NOT! Shit...I wish i could work for him for 70k a year.

I mean look at his garage..and the cars he is owning. Now think to your self and if you had the money he has i bet you would be the same way!

I have heard things about BuiltRB25 from other people and if you ask me hes doing the right thing. looking out for himself and not being lazy like every other fucking american.

+1 for you man!!

[miasma]

Originally Posted by Gotrice?99

looking out for himself and not being lazy like every other fucking american.

WTF? thanks for insulting all of America douche bag, go back to where ever the fuck your from kthx.

[RITZ7]

fuck off illegals.

that is all.

[Gotrice?99]

Originally Posted by miasma

WTF? thanks for insulting all of America douche bag, go back to where ever the fuck your from kthx.

Im saying in general look at the american public, either FAT, Lazy or all of the above. People want to sit around and bitch all day and do nothing about it.

so no, Im not insulting all of your american douche bags, but thanks for your input douche canoe!

[miasma]

Originally Posted by Gotrice?99

Im saying in general look at the american public, either FAT, Lazy or all of the above. People want to sit around and bitch all day and do nothing about it.

so no, Im not insulting all of your american douche bags, but thanks for your input douche canoe!

Way to fucking stereotype the best fucking country on Earth, here let me try. How about GTFO and go back to puerto rico/mexico u illegal fuck?

[Gotrice?99]

Originally Posted by miasma

Way to fucking stereotype the best fucking country on Earth, here let me try. How about GTFO and go back to puerto rico/mexico u illegal fuck?

Well im glad you think im puertorican or mexican...how bout you find out my real nationality before you go out on a limb and try to call me out. but your the perfect example of a bone head american. always thinking were better than everyone else.

I do agree with securing our borders and keeping them out, but obviously your missing the point...so ill let you pretend like your an educated american.