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Old 05-16-2006, 12:50 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I've worked at a couple dealerships over the past 3 years and I can tell you we've hired a handful of guys from Erwin and UTI. Nobody seems to really have a good idea when it comes to how to be a tech at least not after spending that kind of money. They come in saying oh yeah we did this or we did that but when it comes time to go flat rate, they loose their ass.

If you're good mechanically, you can learn on your own or in a shop faster than you could in school and use the $20k towards tools rather than some paperwork and some hands on experience. Most dealerships will send you to school for their specific carline if you look like you're worth the investment.

If you're young enough, start as a lube tech and in a couple years, depending on your drive, you could be a flat rate tech making some good money. You get hands on experience every day that you get paid for and not have to pay somebody else. It can be more relaxed inside a shop vs school anyways. Just my $.02


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Old 05-16-2006, 01:57 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I don't get it... In one sentence your saying how boring it is.. How its hard to stay awake and they don't allow you to read magazines and how sometimes you have nothing to do... Then you complain they move to fast?

Have you tried STUDYING during that "boring-sleepy" time? It might help.
I ment in some classes for me like basic and advance electric we crame in so much info its hard for me to absorb everything in three weeks. We had tons of notes to study but in undercar(one of our class) a week out of the three were sitting and doing nothing in class. no notes to study or work to do.


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Old 05-16-2006, 02:59 PM   #18 (permalink)
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also,think about this;how often is it someone probablygets recruited at nascar?
so you learn how to build a race chassis for 5-6 grand,big fucking deal.how often does a little old lady come into a dealership with her toyota camry and say "i need a nascar spec roll cage please?"it dont happen.and unless youre in the top 5 percent of your class,you wont get recruited.yahtzee.
oh, and 1 other thing he school dont tell you;You know the manufacturer training thats paid for?
Remember this is an actual statistic;unless you are in the top 5 percentile of your class,you wont be offered the programs.
these schools are bullshit.trust me.i see assholes that cant use anything they learned at the schools.the only thing they derived from uti is a 22000 dollar debt.
do you research.


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Old 05-17-2006, 01:09 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I am not trying to bash tech schools, but I want everybody to be informed.

University's like USF, FSU, UCF, and UF are all not for profit organizations. Lots of technical schools are for profit organization. schools like USF make money off of research. You participate in research, you learn a hell of a lot, and they make money off of your work. Technical schools make all their money off of tuition. They make money as long as you are enrolled. They dont offer you financial aid. They simply offer you loans and make money off of you loans. If you made money by having students enrolled, wouldn't you try to enroll as many students as you could. Your education gets put on the back burner, and their main focus is keeping you enrolled.

going to a state school or community college would be much more worth while than these tech schools. I know college is not for everybody, but I would rather see someone go to community college over a long period of time than go to a tech school. Get you AA at community college in something that is somewhat related to cars, and then work your way up at a dealership. The tech school degree will only leave you with lots of debt, and a nearly useless paper certificate.


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Old 05-17-2006, 01:33 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Old 05-17-2006, 02:02 AM   #21 (permalink)
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xtremesaturn said it well,get a job as a lube tech(bitch work) and claw your way up.if a service manager sees drive and ambition,theyll more than likely send you to on of there schools,free of charge;they actually pay you to go.
trust me, i did the lube tech thing, and i fought out of it.
good luck to all who apply.


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Old 05-17-2006, 11:18 AM   #22 (permalink)
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If you're good mechanically, you can learn on your own or in a shop faster than you could in school and use the $20k towards tools rather than some paperwork and some hands on experience.

If you're young enough, start as a lube tech and in a couple years, depending on your drive, you could be a flat rate tech making some good money. You get hands on experience every day that you get paid for and not have to pay somebody else. It can be more relaxed inside a shop vs school anyways. Just my $.02
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They make money as long as you are enrolled. They dont offer you financial aid. They simply offer you loans and make money off of you loans. If you made money by having students enrolled, wouldn't you try to enroll as many students as you could. Your education gets put on the back burner, and their main focus is keeping you enrolled.
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also,think about this;how often is it someone probablygets recruited at nascar?

"i need a nascar spec roll cage please?"it dont happen.and unless youre in the top 5 percent of your class,you wont get recruited. the only thing they derived from uti is a 22000 dollar debt.

Excellent points made here! This is what you guys need to be reading if you are actually going out into this field.
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just a side note;stanley tools bought mac and i may be wrong, but i think they bought matco too
I highly doubt that...I've been looking through the telephone books that the companies call "complete tool registries" and whatnot and Mac is the only one with any "Stanley" tools, and its only a few hammers. I think like "blue point" and whatnot are with Snap-On and Matco, they are just working together with Mac


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Old 05-17-2006, 01:46 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Matco is owned by Danaher or something like that, which also owns Craftsman.


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Old 05-17-2006, 02:00 PM   #24 (permalink)
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ya than ya pay an extra 5k for for hotrod u which is only 5weeks what ya learn you can go to brewster tech and pay 4k for 2yrs and get the same trainging and an assotiates degree so it a joke


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Old 05-18-2006, 04:02 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Damn aint this a bitch.. I just moved up to orlando last week so i can start going to school at uti next month.. I wish I would of knew this before.. Oh well its too late now


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Old 05-18-2006, 04:08 PM   #26 (permalink)
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try leaving while you still can,im sure they have other schools out there...


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Old 05-18-2006, 04:29 PM   #27 (permalink)
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if i ever went it would be for hot roding,performance engine building and chassis work..but them aint main classes so i see no point in it.


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Old 05-18-2006, 05:45 PM   #28 (permalink)
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its all a matter of opinion,but i even think those side classes are a huge waste of time and an even bigger waste of money.
the best thing that school could do is at least offer the side classes as a main course of study.
or close indefinitely...


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Old 05-19-2006, 04:28 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Why your school sucks from your point of view.........
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My Not-Free advice:
Don't expect life to be so easy.
When you guys have "nothing to do", roll one of your street cars in the shop and take something apart. At least that day you get lab points. If one team can fix their car in the time alotted, practice until *your* team can. If your team is a bunch of losers, jump ship and help out the best team there.
When you have "nothing to do" read those notes over and over until they are memorized. When you can answer the questions after hearing the first 3 words, you're learning something.
When you have "nothing to do" whip out that Chilton's or Helms manual on your own car and memorize it. When you know what's coming up for the next classes, get to the junk yard and get the parts. If you take stuff apart, you learn how to fix it.
If you can't get motivated enough to be the best mechanic in the whole #@&%
school, drop out and go to work at manpower. If you spend enough days in line with those homeless bums, you'll develop a strong desire to succeed at something, and cars might not be it. -Bob

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Old 05-19-2006, 04:38 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Why your school sucks, part two.......
If a person has never known the thrill of victory, a person will not be sufficiently motivated. If you don't love what you do, find something you DO love.

By comparison, you could always work FOR FREE for an independent stock car race team, to learn management of a team, and car setup, while you go to one of the stock car schools in NC where they actually teach you how to do something, and give you practical experience on the schools race cars.......which you have helped to build........as well as working your part time job to support yourself, and snatching off a few side jobs under the table.

Then when you finish school, you work 10 hours per day, *6* days a week whether you get paid or not, because you have the drive to WIN, and then you race on Sunday.........and you do it for 20 years, never knowing if your contract will be renewed for next year. Eventually those without what it takes fall by the wayside.

If you don't have what it takes to overcome obstacles, be thanking God that it only cost you 22 grand to learn that.............. -Bob


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