Marijauna doesnt affect lung function.

[mewantkouki]

This entire argument is a moot point. Marijuana will never be legal for public purchase.

[markstheman365]

This entire argument is a moot point. Marijuana will never be legal for public purchase.

Yes your correct. Also, this thread isnt about legalization, so lets not get any more in depth about it. As stated above, who cares smoke and be merry.

[sean1]

get a vaporizer

[markstheman365]

get a vaporizer

in the process lol, i was going to order one ofline but my paypal was limited due to retarded reasons

[Empire]

EDIT -
Fair warning - typed out a novel.
I find the topic intriguing. couldn't resist tossing in my 2 cents... well... its more like 371 cents. lol


The flip side to the whole, people do it because it is illegal is that there are lots of people that don't smoke specifically because it is illegal, and otherwise would smoke if it was legal. So i think the "average" user might just balance out.
As for abuse, i envision the average rate of abuse being equal to that of Alcohol. And that is only 5 years after it becomes legal. That first 5 years, or so, it will be a major boom. Go to CVS and buy a pack of joints, everyone is going to do it, and more than likely, to excess. It'll be the new novelty thing to do. Legal Pot. People will go so far over board that first few years, that they might just end up outlawing it again. Imagine how much more the typical dipshit pothead would smoke if he didn't have to worry about getting caught.
So yes, historically speaking, when it is illegal, it is a bigger deal, Prohibition taught us that. But even in prohibition, there were many people that stopped having a drink because it was illegal. Pot is even more like that because of the testing and penalties associated with it. Back then, they didn't do piss tests for booze, and even today, a piss test really only shows if you were drunk yesterday. Whereas with pot, they can piss test several weeks back, and hair tests will go several months back. Back then, when you got arrested, it was a pain in the ass, but life went on. Today, you get arrested and it costs a ton of money, and the time you were locked up, you could have lost your job for no call no show, and now you have a record that may very well prevent you from getting future employment. That in itself scares a lot of people away.

If/When it becomes legal, it will be taxed just like Cigarettes are now, or even more. The price won't ever be cheaper than if you grew it yourself. The catch is, it will be illegal to grow it yourself.
The gooberment will want to capitalize on the huge tax revenue it could produce. The lobbyists will pressure the gooberment into passing laws that make it illegal to grow yourself. So you can't be caught with the plant, having things to grow would be probable cause. You more than likely couldn't carry the pot itself on your person. They would more than likely make that illegal as well to force you to buy their pre-made joints. which would look and smoke the exact same as cigarettes. The only way around smoking it like a cigarette would be to smoke it at a smoke shop, much like a hooka bar. There are too many consumers that would rather smoke it through a hooka, than a cigarette, so the demand would require some sort of legislation to allow that sector of the industry to be formed. But even then, it would be taxed to all hell, and not be any cheaper.
The only advantage would probably be that the hooka stuff might be more "all natural" and not full of all of the preservatives and crap that the cigarette versions would be.
You would be foolish to think that the cigarette companies (who are really the only ones with the infrastructure to produce the supply) aren't going to fill those things with all of the formaldehyde and crap that cigarettes do. It is good for business if you get hooked on them. Even more good for business if you want to smoke 5, 8, 12 or more a day, like people do for cigarettes today.
So, could they grow it cheaper, hell yeah they can. It is easy to make it cheaper per ounce when you can grow entire fields. But, it won't be cheaper to the consumer because of taxes.

If it was made legal, it would be just like cigarettes as in, you would have to be of age to buy it and consume it. So it would still be illegal for minors. So that is still going to be as big if not bigger of an issue due to the accessibility of it being legal, as it is now. That will be one of the major issues within that first several years it is legal. Every teenager is going to have their older brother or sister buying them a pack of joints so they can be cool too.

Because of the kinds of controls they would have to put into place to not only control the available product but to keep the illegal growing under control, It would be rather difficult for them to allow any private person to be able to grow it themselves. Not saying that as a company, they won't let you apply for a license to be able to grow, but then the company is going to have to pay grow taxes, and charges taxes to sell it. With the exception of the "private stash" the business owner scraps off for himself, it wouldn't be the cheap option.

Part of what you have to realize is that if they make it legal, it isn't going to be "in addition to today's laws" It is going to be a whole new set of rules that throws out today's laws. Think about it, if everyone that was legally and illegally growing pot today, could legally sell it under the table, and not pay taxes on it, why would the government ever allow it to be legal? Why would the lobbyists allow it to become legal? They won't. So everything that you understand about what is legal and not legal today would be thrown out the window.
It will not be legal for minors, period.
It won't be legal to grow your own.
It won't be cheaper.
It will be taxed.
It will be controlled.
and it will have crap in it, just like cigarettes do.
(for those that don't know, naturally grown tabacco doesn't have all of that really nasty crap that cancer sticks have. Those chemicals are added to process the tabacco, and preserve the tabacco, and control the way the tabacco burns. and yes, most of us would argue that some of the chemicals are added to increase your addiction)


You're right, people aren't smart, that's why it will be illegal, and there will be stupid punishments for it. It won't be a matter of "protecting the people" although that is what the news story will be about. "A garage grower was busted today when several bay area people checked into the hospital reporting chest pains and seizures. Toxin screens confirmed the illegally grown pot was laced with X, Y, Z" But we all know that it is really illegal because it is too easy to grow and would cause too much competition problems for the businesses trying to grow and sell their own.

And yes, every birth of a new industry alters the existing ones. Yes, their will more than likely be less cancer stick smokers because they moved over to pot, but the cigarette companies won't care because they will see an overall increase in total smokers. Some people that will smoke pot if it is legal won't smoke cancer sticks because of how bad they are for you.
As for the effect on the alcohol industry. I seriously doubt they would see much of an impact. People are still going to want to drink with dinner. You won't be able to smoke inside. They are still going to want to drive when they go out for the night. Booze will still be the preferred medium for getting wasted. There are just too many people that are either flat out allergic to pot, or just don't enjoy the high, don't/can't actually smoke anything, or, want to get drunk, and not high as those are two vastly different

Weed doesn't make you focus. it is a downer. It slows your brain down and because you want to focus, you "muscle through it" and devote all of your brain power onto one thought process.
Technically, you just have to learn how to focus yourself and then you'll notice that the pot isn't some magic mind focuser. Unless you actually have a problem and can't focus, ie true ADHD, then it is quite possible that a downer like pot would turn the voices down and help with focus.

I dont think it hurts as much smoked with water pipes, bongs, or other filtered things
but if your smoking 4 blunts a day your introuble.

... pot heads...
if you blow bubbles with it, the smoke that is going into your lungs is good for you.
Smoke is smoke. Water pipes, bongs, hookas, whatever, they don't filter anything. Whoever told you that it was a filter had smoked their brain away. All it does is change a characteristic of the smoke, mainly, it cools it down, so instead of sucking in heat, like you would with anything else that is rolled, you get a nice, cool breath of air. Also, it changes your technique, you don't have to suck to create the smoke, you just have to breath in the smoke that is there. That's just about the extent of it. No "filtering" involved.

i might have everyday multiple times for years.. My spirometer reading was 5.5l, which i believe is like 2l more than the average human...so, it may have a reverse affect by working the lungs with smoke. and without tar, addiction. (black stuff people rant about in lungs is isnt in budd)

some people do have higher lung capacity.
you can also develop it based off of physical activity. Athletic people have greater lung capacity.
but I doubt filling your lungs full of any kind of smoke makes them stronger. If that was the case, then more pot heads would be running track instead of looking like warmed over death.
I personally have only ever met one pot head that could function like a "normal" person, the rest were all way out of shape and would loose their breath walking to 7-eleven to get munchies.

This entire argument is a moot point. Marijuana will never be legal for public purchase.

that's what they said during prohibition too.
I think their is a potential to make too much money for it to never be legalized.

[markstheman365]

Empire, I didnt have time to read that whole post (will later tho)

Your first few sentences might be described by the 420 episode of family guy very well. Hopefully you seen it, if not, brian gets weed legalized, everyone becomes stoners, the news anchors were stoned lmao, it eventually got banned again.

I agree with that 100 percent. To tell you the truth, I wouldnt want it legal. I would abuse it lol. I would smoke ALL day at work, get all sorts of work done and what not, but I would never go to the gym again. Hell, id probably finish the novel I plan to write, learn italian, and continue teaching myself graphic design. But i know I would get pretty hefty and lazy.

[Jared Noriega]

Gotta comment, i like your thought out reply alot.

abuse being equal to that of Alcohol.

It is not as addicting, and you can drive, and dont rage on it. It will be the only mind altering legal non-prescribed drug besides ETOH anyway...it will deff kill some hype of alcohol. Mixing the two for many reasons isnt fun to lots of people (Not all..) In my mind I see it as a replacement for the "Something to do at the party" and the DUI rate will decrease dramatically because too many people will see it as a safe replacement.

Pot is even more like that because of the testing and penalties associated with it.

I couldnt disagree more. I feel that then, there wasnt the research and knowledge of alcohol, making the whole process a bitch to legalize and ban. All the knowledge available and proven about marijuana today points to hardly any proven negative side effects (lack of motivation, lung damage) and will enforce its legality. You have no idea how many people are coming together to pass bills as we speak in Florida to make us equal to other states, a topic i will return to in a second.

If/When it becomes legal, it will be taxed just like Cigarettes are now, or even more. The price won't ever be cheaper than if you grew it yourself. The catch is, it will be illegal to grow it yourself.

I understand your talking on a "completely legal" basis, and not a script basis like the example im about to give...but, most places, as a matter of fact all as far as i know, allow you to grow your own up to a certain amount when marijuana is legal. There are places in the world that this is already in effect, and government regulated, where people grow their own.

You would be foolish to think that the cigarette companies (who are really the only ones with the infrastructure to produce the supply) aren't going to fill those things with all of the formaldehyde and crap that cigarettes do.

Possibly, your guessing. Your biggest flaw here is.... marijuana dried out burns more than moist. It would be preserved in a completely different fashion, more of a "Moist pack". I dont know of "wet" tobacco smoked. Just dipped.

You're right, people aren't smart, that's why it will be illegal, and there will be stupid punishments for it. It won't be a matter of "protecting the people" although that is what the news story will be about. "A garage grower was busted today when several bay area people checked into the hospital reporting chest pains and seizures. Toxin screens confirmed the illegally grown pot was laced with X, Y, Z" But we all know that it is really illegal because it is too easy to grow and would cause too much competition problems for the businesses trying to grow and sell their own.

^ Well fucking said..... completely overlooked in my mind.

[Empire]

Gotta comment, i like your thought out reply alot.

thanks

It is not as addicting, and you can drive, and dont rage on it. It will be the only mind altering legal non-prescribed drug besides ETOH anyway...it will deff kill some hype of alcohol. Mixing the two for many reasons isnt fun to lots of people (Not all..) In my mind I see it as a replacement for the "Something to do at the party" and the DUI rate will decrease dramatically because too many people will see it as a safe replacement.
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there is evidence that does show just how addicting it is. Anything that alters the mind, will become addicting. People go through massive withdraws once they stop smoking after being a pot head for years. I've seen it first hand.
Driving while high is just like saying "I'm only buzzed, I can still drive" It is an impairment. In very small amounts, it can force you to focus though the high, as I had stated earlier, but the fact of the matter is, you are still high. I can't tell you how many people I've seen get in wrecks while stoned. All the way back in high school, I saw kids wrecking their cars because "whoa man, where'd the road go and how'd that tree end up in the middle of the car..?" A good friend of mine is still in the hospital because the bitch that swerved into oncoming traffic and hit head on was high as fuck. She was too high to realize she was speeding, let along the fact that she wasn't in her lane. His headlights distracted her and instead of passing them, she went straight towards the light. She reeked of Pot. They did a blood test on her in the ER, and the only thing in her system was Pot. If you have spent any time at all on the south side of St. Pete, then you have smelled the pot pouring out of cars as they drive by and you have watched them swerving in and out of their lanes, failing to maintain speed, and stopping as if the stop light surprised them. It was really funny to watch 3 cars smash into each other a while back. They were the typical "donk" and you could smell and see the pot smoke coming from each car. Looked like they were all "bros" The left the gas station following each other. The further they went, the worse their driving got. I was stuck behind them so I got to watch the whole thing. About a mile later, they were driving as well as a typical 8 year old would. A few blocks later, the light turns red, they don't notice til they are almost passed it, they get surprised by it being red, slam on their brakes, and the one behind, didn't even attempt to stop. Boom. That is just one example of dozens I have personal seen. So no, you can't drive high. That will and always will continue to be illegal. Just because a select few of you know how to control yourself, doesn't mean the general masses will. Every single day that goes by is more proof that the general masses can't control themselves when it comes to anything.
I'll agree with you that it will take some of the "hype" away, but you gotta think, how many people are not going to smoke? how many older people aren't going to smoke. In my experience, if a grown adult was going to be a pot head, they would be a pot head illegal or not. So I don't foresee that demographic changing very much. The ones that will smoke, already are, and the rest will stick to having a beer after work like they always have.
As for the whole "something to do at the party" I guess that is where I personally differ from the average pot head. When I go to party, I am there to party. Not get high and sit on the coach and stare at each other. Any party I have ever hosted and allowed pot heads to smoke, I always ended up with a handful of stoned kids, sitting and watching everyone else. Again, that is the nature of Pot, it is a downer. It chills you out. Chilling out and Partying are two different things.
If it is legal, then Clubs will more than likely capitalize on it for the first year or so. But, what is going to end up happening is, too many people will show up, get high, and then do nothing. Meanwhile, the people that don't wanna just get high, they will get bored of being in such a "chill" place, and end up finding other clubs that have a higher energy. And then the market will dictate that the Clubs will have to stop getting people high if they want to survive. Eventually it will balance out where you can go to a smoke bar/hooka place, and get all chilled out, or go to a club and party. It isn't going to hurt the alcohol industry, it is just going to create a different industry.
As for the DUI rate, you're right about people thinking it will be a safe alternative. But that isn't going to lower the DUI rate. Pot heads now think that getting high and driving is cool and "safe" but it isn't. When you are high, you drive like you are high. When you are really stoned, you drive like you are really stoned. I would bet that due to public outcry, the DUI rate would actually go up because cops would have to pull over more people trying to catch the ones that are driving high. Get on the roads today and tell me if the general masses can drive worth a shit now. Now, take those dumb ass mini van drivers, and the teenie bopping teen age bitches and get them all high. Do you really think that the roads will become a safer place once they are all high? Not by a long shot. You'll have the ones that think they can drive, continuing to speed and swerve and cause problems, just like the fucks that get a bit too buzzed and start driving. Then you'll have the ones that think 10 MPH is super fast. They won't be able to handle how fast everything is moving around them, and they will end up causing problems just by going so much slower than everyone else. But, because they are idiots, they will attempt to drive anyway. Won't be able to negotiate a turn, won't be able to pull out into traffic, won't be able to merge, won't be able to keep up with traffic, but driving high is the safe alternative to getting drunk.

I couldnt disagree more. I feel that then, there wasnt the research and knowledge of alcohol, making the whole process a bitch to legalize and ban. All the knowledge available and proven about marijuana today points to hardly any proven negative side effects (lack of motivation, lung damage) and will enforce its legality. You have no idea how many people are coming together to pass bills as we speak in Florida to make us equal to other states, a topic i will return to in a second.

I was referencing the drug testing to see if you had smoked, and the penalties one faces if they have caught you smoking.
Those two things will keep a majority of people from even trying pot is what I was getting at.
And you're right, there is a whole ton of information out there that says Pot isn't all that bad. But there is a whole ton of research that has debunked all of that as well. And, the extra kicker, the research that is out there is either done by A) a pot head trying to make his illegal hobby legal, or B) an actual legit research facility. The Pot head, has a very very very skewed view on the subject, so of course it is going to look good. Therefore, any research done by those people is immediately thrown out. Now, looking at the legit research, something that most people don't realize is that they are doing the research on medical grade marijuana. Medical grade is very very controlled. It is also more natural, meaning, it hasn't been fucked with to make it more "potent" More often than not, it is the exact opposite. It has been "bred" to get you less high. The "good stuff" in pot doesn't get you high, it doesn't even come from the stuff that makes you high. It is the other stuff. "Street pot" has been grown to get you high. Think of it like this. Pitbulls. The people who want to fight pitbulls find two slightly more aggressive dogs, and then breed them together. The aggressiveness is the predominant trait, and therefore, the puppies are even more aggressive than the parents. Then those puppies are breed with more aggressive puppies and so on and so on and so on until you finally end up with a dog that is uncontrollably aggressive. Eventhough, the pitbull, by nature, is a non aggressive dog, they can be bred to be that way. A natural pitbull is like natural Pot. You can breed an aggressive nature into the dog, or bred it out of the dog. Same with pot. With all of that said, the point is, the marijuana that actually has legit research behind it, isn't the pot that everyone smokes to get high. A late uncle of mine was prescribed marijuana in his late stages of cancer. (not in FL) He was given medical grade pot to smoke so many times a day, everyday. Not once did he ever get stoned. He barely got high. The slight buzz he got he described as being similar to having a beer at dinner.
All that being said, I would say that puff per puff, pot is still better than cancer sticks as far as a direct relation to health is concerned. Is it safe? I don't believe so. Is it healthy? far from it. Would I want you smoking around me? not at all. Would I want your second hand smoke anywhere near my kids? Fuck no. Do I believe you should have the legal right to be able to purchase a product for your personal consumption that is regulated and quality controlled? Yes. Do I believe you should have the legal right to be able to put whatever crap you want into your body, good or not? Yes. I am all for it, as long as it has no negative effect on me.
I do know how many people are pushing to pass these bills. Most recently, they were trying to get medical marijuana legal in FL to be able to prescribe to people who need it. I was actually quite upset that, that bill didn't go further. I believe if you have a doctor that feels a legitimate reason for you to have it, then you should have it. I hate tying the hands of doctors. People wonder why the quality of care from doctors keeps dropping.
The problem with all of these people trying to push to make it legal is that they continue to fail to address the big picture. You can't just pass a law that blanketly makes pot legal. Imagine how that would tear society apart. You can't just say, Make it legal cause it is awesome. You have to figure out how to make it legal, how to develop the infrastructure for it, how to regulate it, how to control it, how to get it to the public, how to control the users so they don't endanger the public, how to test for it to convict for things like DUIs. That is something that the "make it legal" group has continuously failed to address. How do you convict someone of DUI after he gets stoned and slams into someone else behind the wheel? It is easy right now, it is illegal period. So if they test you and the test comes back positive, then you're nailed. But how do you test to see if you smoked 2 hours ago? How do you test to see if someone smoked 6 hours ago and is still high? At this point, you can't. And in that situation, the person who slammed into another car, putting people in the hospital, altering someone else's life forever, is only going to get an "at fault" ticket and that's pretty much it. No conviction. No criminal charges. Nothing. That is the major issue when you start talking about making it legal. And that is the issue that gets it shot down every single time.
The other stuff, like what is the standard going to be, how are you going to test for quality control, who is going to grow it, who is going to produce it, who and how will it be sold, and how are you going to address the issue of people growing it themselves? can all be worked around. Most people can sit down and think of a good way to solve each and every one of those problems. Many of the "Pro-Pot" people have addressed many of those issues.
The one that still stumps everyone is how do you determine when a person smoked last? And how much is too much? Right now, there is a legal limit to blood alcohol content. What is the legal limit going to be for Pot? THC levels in the Blood? That sounds good, but THC gets processed through your system very quickly. The THC metabolites in the blood? That's what they test for now. The problem is, it doesn't indicate how long ago it was, just that it had happened. It can be as far back as 3-4 weeks and the metabolites will still show in your blood and urine. That is because they are stored in your fat. A healthy person, eating a correct, balanced diet, and exercises enough to match the calorie intake, will process through their fat stores and replace them with "fresh fat" every 2-4 weeks. However, that isn't the case for someone who doesn't eat the perfect diet, and/or doesn't burn off all of their calories everyday. There has been research that has proven that if you have a higher body fat level, and you smoke, and then you loose weight 6 months later, the THC metabolites that were in your fat, will get released back into your blood stream. That is because, the metabolites get in all of your fat. But if you are "fat" then you don't go through all of your fat stores. You end up replacing more than you burn more often than not. So that means, if that person got tested, they could fail the drug test. Now you're looking at a false conviction. With the rules in place today, you have the option of appealing a failed test and retaking the test. The retake it typically has a lower tolerance to try to catch the people that where just needing the extra time for their detox to work. But if you are trying to convict someone who smoked 4 hours ago, by the time you get the retest results, a great amount of time has passed and now you can't pin point exactly how long it has been and the guy walks away.
That isn't a situation that people want to allow to happen. So, yes, make it legal, and get it on the shelves, but first, figure out the solution to all of the problems.

I understand your talking on a "completely legal" basis, and not a script basis like the example im about to give...but, most places, as a matter of fact all as far as i know, allow you to grow your own up to a certain amount when marijuana is legal. There are places in the world that this is already in effect, and government regulated, where people grow their own.

That is correct, but again, that is for someone with a script. Those people aren't paying taxes on it. They aren't buying at CVS. Or anything like that. So that will totally change if they make it legal for the masses.
As for the other parts of the world, part of what you have to remember is that those other parts of the world aren't concerned about the profit margins like we are here in America. It is part of what makes America great, as well as terrible. It it wasn't about the profit, we wouldn't be pioneers the way we are, but also, the profit can make us real assholes. That being said, it will be the lobbyists that make it illegal to grow your own.
Same thing they have done with the oil companies. Don't let people make their own bio diesel and distribute it. Don't design cars to get 100 mpg. Don't let people what the actual cost of each gallon is. Any one of those things would make big oil loose a little of their profit margin,which is why it won't happen. Legal Pot will be the same way. Something you need to keep in mind when you start talking about making Pot legal. That's all part of the big picture that so many pot activists fail to keep sight of.

Possibly, your guessing. Your biggest flaw here is.... marijuana dried out burns more than moist. It would be preserved in a completely different fashion, more of a "Moist pack". I dont know of "wet" tobacco smoked. Just dipped.

Actually, I am right, because it does burn more when it is pretty much dry. Tobacco is the same way. Some of the best tobacco you can smoke, when you buy it, has been sealed in such as way as to keep the moisture in. But that is also the kind of tobacco that costs 50 bucks an ounce and you don't smoke it in anything less than an ivory pipe. But, the cheaper, more readily available stuff, like what is in cigarettes, and pipe tobacco and even cigars, is much much more dry. But, it isn't totally dry. If it was totally dry, it would never go stale. Think about it, if you leave a cigar out, it dries out and makes for a really miserable smoke. That's why you maintain the correct humidity level in your humidor. Same thing with cigarettes. Have you ever smoke a cancer stick that was old? It sucks. that's because it went stale. All of the crap they put in cancer sticks is there for a purpose. The wrapper is chemically treated to burn a certain way. the new style is made so it will extinguish if it isn't kept hot enough in an attempt to prevent fires from people dropping and or flicking lit cigarettes. (many of us would also argue that they do it to keep you sucking on that thing. Chances are, the average person would smoke less if they could extend their one cigarette out to be a 10-15 minute smoke, but having to continue to suck on it, speeds that process up to just a few minutes. Not only are they going through cigarettes faster, but now their bodies are getting used to a more concentrated does and therefore, they need to smoke more of them) Pot will be the same way. They also used a lot of chemicals to keep bugs and crap out of the tobacco while it is being processed, as well as while it is in storage, transport and on the shelves. The other good amount of the chemicals used is there to keep the tobacco a little bit moist. Doesn't have to be much, but still a bit moist. Things like formaldehyde help to keep the natural moisture in the tobacco longer without letting the tobacco begin to rot.
As I understand it, it is preferred to have your pot be a little less dry. So the packaging will probably change some. Cheap brands will be the same paper boxes. The more expensive brands will probably be wax lined and sealed a bit better. Beyond minor things like that, you can pretty much bet that it will be very very similar to the way cigarettes are now.



The major thing that I try to instill when I talk to people, especially people like yourself who seem to be the better than the typical pot head stoner kid, about making pot legal, is that you can't assume that everyone who smokes pot is just like you. Not everyone can take a couple of hits and be done. Not everyone knows their limits, or even respects their limits. Not everyone has put enough thought into it to figure out what they can and cannot do when they are high. Most people smoke to get high. Sure, you can make the "it helps me focus" or even the "it helps me sleep" argument all you want. The fact of the matter is, it doesn't do either of those things directly. That is you, using pot to turn the volume down in your head, and then focusing through it. Or in the case of sleeping, relaxing and falling asleep. (yes, I know you can smoke enough to knock yourself out, but the sleep you get from doing that is much like the sleep you get when you are drunk. it is shitty sleep. Yes, you get to sleep. However, you cycle in and out of REM sleep the entire time. REM sleep if the part of sleep that makes you feel refreshed when you wake up. Because you cycle in and out of REM sleep, you never get to the 3rd and 4th stage of sleep. Those stages are the restorative stages, that is when you body recovers from the stresses of the day, be it injury or just simple use. That is the stage in which you brain forms memories. If you never get to that part of the sleep cycles, then you have a very difficult time remembering things. Pot takes it a step further and pot actually makes it much more difficult for the brain to convert information from short term to long term memory. and therefore, you forget a lot before you even go to sleep. And in your sleep, the pot makes it difficult for the brain to put into place what it needs to be able to recall the little bit of long term memory you had. You can remember everything, the hard part is recalling it. Pot hinders the ability to recall)
You have to think about the people that smoke to get stoned, and the repercussions of that. Those of you that can take a hit or two and function, great. But that isn't the norm. It isn't about making pot legal for you to use. It is about making it legal for the general masses to use. And we all know just how awesome the general masses are to begin with.



I want to state that I'm not arguing with you, or anyone else directly. I'm not arguing. Just discussing. It is a very interesting discussion to have when bringing up making pot legal. Covers a lot of area. I personally feel it is important as it appears to be something that is going to happen in our generation. So if I offended, my apologies. it wasn't intentional.

[Jared Noriega]

there is evidence that does show just how addicting it is. Anything that alters the mind, will become addicting. People go through massive withdraws once they stop smoking after being a pot head for years. I've seen it first hand.
Driving while high is just like saying "I'm only buzzed, I can still drive" It is an impairment. In very small amounts, it can force you to focus though the high, as I had stated earlier, but the fact of the matter is, you are still high. I can't tell you how many people I've seen get in wrecks while stoned.

Lots believe its more of a mental addiction actually, alcohol being mental and physical. The same studies show weed is not nearly as harmful as alcohol. It does not impair you anywhere near as much, and will never be held in the same category unless its "what drugs are accepted". You give someone 10 dollars to buy a bottle of whatever-the-fuck and 10 dollars to grab a dime....i would like to see them both sobriety test it up after an hour.

Looked like they were all "bros" The left the gas station following each other. The further they went, the worse their driving got. I was stuck behind them so I got to watch the whole thing. About a mile later, they were driving as well as a typical 8 year old would. A few blocks later, the light turns red, they don't notice til they are almost passed it, they get surprised by it being red, slam on their brakes, and the one behind, didn't even attempt to stop. Boom. That is just one example of dozens I have personal seen.

You really think someone was smoking in front of you and started swerving and what not because of the effects it had on them? Hard to rationalize seeing how long it takes to be retarded smoking vs. how long it actually takes to smoke. They were most likely a bunch of kids, smoking, texting, laughing, wondering if you can smell the bud behind them... and most important of all in this scenario .... passing whatever they are smoking, around the car and to the driver. Since were both playing detective there isnt a definite answer.

If it is legal, then Clubs will more than likely capitalize on it for the first year or so. But, what is going to end up happening is, too many people will show up, get high, and then do nothing.

Then you'll have the ones that think 10 MPH is super fast. They won't be able to handle how fast everything is moving around them, and they will end up causing problems just by going so much slower than everyone else.

Clubs idea was on point, not too much of a party drug at all. I laughed at the second part for sure.

Medical grade is very very controlled. It is also more natural, meaning, it hasn't been fucked with to make it more "potent" More often than not, it is the exact opposite. It has been "bred" to get you less high. The "good stuff" in pot doesn't get you high, it doesn't even come from the stuff that makes you high. It is the other stuff. "Street pot" has been grown to get you high. Think of it like this.

On average if i remember right, marijuana is like 1-10% thc....rarely 10-20%.... government is somewhere between 5-10, street can span the entire 1-20% when it comes down to it, when you average the numbers (street just spans further in both directions) they both are about the same. Let me branch off your pitbull theory. So your a caregiver, raising pitbulls to sell at your "puppies" store... You take your time, breed the best dogs, and make sure your pups are the best so they are sold to people who care. Now take a back yard pitbull fighter who raises the dog for fights, and making money and the quality of life and dogs. The breeder is the marijuana care-giver who is selling the medicine (weed) to the dispensaries and who's job is depending on the quality of bud. On the street its pure profit, like a backyard fighter.



Is it healthy? far from it. Would I want you smoking around me? not at all. Would I want your second hand smoke anywhere near my kids? Fuck no. Do I believe you should have the legal right to be able to purchase a product for your personal consumption that is regulated and quality controlled? Yes. Do I believe you should have the legal right to be able to put whatever crap you want into your body, good or not? Yes. I am all for it, as long as it has no negative effect on me. [/QUOTE] I agree with every point, especially when it comes to others children.

Actually, I am right, because it does burn more when it is pretty much dry.
The more expensive brands will probably be wax lined and sealed a bit better. Beyond minor things like that, you can pretty much bet that it will be very very similar to the way cigarettes are now.

I meant physically burn the throat. Good idea on the wax.

The major thing that I try to instill when I talk to people, especially people like yourself who seem to be the better than the typical pot head stoner kid, about making pot legal, is that you can't assume that everyone who smokes pot is just like you.

You have to think about the people that smoke to get stoned, and the repercussions of that. Those of you that can take a hit or two and function, great. But that isn't the norm. It isn't about making pot legal for you to use. It is about making it legal for the general masses to use. And we all know just how awesome the general masses are to begin with.

For the record, im a sophomore in college and just had to start cracking open books to make exceptional grades recently. Classes are too hard now to make those kind of bad decisions. Im very far from any kind of stoner kid and do not currently smoke at all. Im pondering the idea with you, not so much arguing for it.....it just happens to be your on one side, so im tossing counter ideas to think from different angles.