Datsun Dreaming

[Empire]

S16 250sx.....how long of a line of s-chassis are they going to come it w/?

Wut?

Maybe I've not had enough coffee yet today or something, but that sentence doesn't make any sense....

are you trying to ask how many generations are they going to make with the "S" car?
Well, look at what they have done with the Z cars...How many generations of Z car are there? Historically, the S car has always been the cheap Z car. So why not have another S car. I'm surprised it has been this long.

If you are trying to ask how far away from the S-chassis design they are going to take it, again, look at the Z car history. Every few generations, it gets a total redesign and is a totally different car, but they still call it a Z.

It is what A) car manufacturers do. They create a following of people that like a particular car, and even though the new generation is technically a whole new, and different car, if you call it the same as the previous one, then you entice that following of people. It helps to "guarantee" car sales. B) it was what Nissan has done to build the reputation they had (I say had because the last several years, they haven't done much to really support that reputation, they just have relied on it, and toyota is a great example of what happens when you do that) They took that idea of creating a following and really blew it up. They used to make cars that everyone wanted, whether they could actually own one or not. They created the "mid life crisis" car for the people that couldn't afford things like Lambos. The Z car used to be an iconic car. In many circles, the Z car still is. People don't really know their cars, will see a well kept Z32 and still think it is a 40 thousand dollar sports car.
So why not capitalize on that?
Have they done a very good job at it? Eh, enthusiasts would say nay. But, statistically, the sales numbers are where they need to be, so they will continue down that path until it bites them in the ass. Then, hopefully Nissan will do what it does best and introduce a new car that has a timeless look with some real performance to it, that people can still afford to purchase.

/rant

[mewantkouki]

That magazine is dated 2008. Furthermore, who gives a shit?

[KRUKED]

Wut? Maybe I've not had enough coffee yet today or something, but that sentence doesn't make any sense.... are you trying to ask how many generations are they going to make with the "S" car? Well, look at what they have done with the Z cars...How many generations of Z car are there? Historically, the S car has always been the cheap Z car. So why not have another S car. I'm surprised it has been this long. If you are trying to ask how far away from the S-chassis design they are going to take it, again, look at the Z car history. Every few generations, it gets a total redesign and is a totally different car, but they still call it a Z. It is what A) car manufacturers do. They create a following of people that like a particular car, and even though the new generation is technically a whole new, and different car, if you call it the same as the previous one, then you entice that following of people. It helps to "guarantee" car sales. B) it was what Nissan has done to build the reputation they had (I say had because the last several years, they haven't done much to really support that reputation, they just have relied on it, and toyota is a great example of what happens when you do that) They took that idea of creating a following and really blew it up. They used to make cars that everyone wanted, whether they could actually own one or not. They created the "mid life crisis" car for the people that couldn't afford things like Lambos. The Z car used to be an iconic car. In many circles, the Z car still is. People don't really know their cars, will see a well kept Z32 and still think it is a 40 thousand dollar sports car. So why not capitalize on that?Have they done a very good job at it? Eh, enthusiasts would say nay. But, statistically, the sales numbers are where they need to be, so they will continue down that path until it bites them in the ass. Then, hopefully Nissan will do what it does best and introduce a new car that has a timeless look with some real performance to it, that people can still afford to purchase. /rant

Was supposed to say, "come out with." But why only distribute the further on coming s-chassis across seas and not here in our country?

That magazine is dated 2008. Furthermore, who gives a shit?

I'm well aware of the date. I was curious because I just came across this and not 4yrs ago

[Empire]

Was supposed to say, "come out with." But why only distribute the further on coming s-chassis across seas and not here in our country?

because they think that the US market doesn't want that kind of car. The average joe is content with the same, bubbly looking, fwd cars.
that, and their line up is already stuffed as it is.

I'm curious to see what the import manufacturers are going to do in response to all of the domestic manufacturers succeeding at their retro styling.
The general import car is soft, and round, and rather docile.
Meanwhile, the domestic market is putting an emphasis on muscle with more aggressive styling.

[mewantkouki]

Why would Nissan release a car that would compete with their current lineup? (Comparable cars: Altima Coupe & 370z priced from 23-30k) If they were to release another S-Chassis car they wouldn't allow it to outperform the 370z or the 350z. There wouldn't be any market for it.

[Jared Noriega]

If it was 350 whp, rwd, and was 15-20 grand.. I really think it would generate plenty of sales. And it's not so much competeing with their line-up.. But making different types if cars for each tax bracket wether it be a fwd 6 cyl coupe.... Or a rwd tt coupe. Just matters on what the customer wants/can afford.

[KendallH]

[KRUKED]

Why would Nissan release a car that would compete with their current lineup? (Comparable cars: Altima Coupe & 370z priced from 23-30k) If they were to release another S-Chassis car they wouldn't allow it to outperform the 370z or the 350z. There wouldn't be any market for it.

But yet from '89 to '98 they kind of did try to compete w/ that then current line-up. If Nissan could make things within a decent price range, there is and will be a market for it. Look at the BMW Z-series for instance. Essentially all you're doing is paying for a well known German car that has no more room than an s13. Yes, there are more luxuries, but hell, it's basically just a name. Everyone has there own thoughts and opinions but it really comes down to statistics.

[Empire]

If it was 350 whp, rwd, and was 15-20 grand.. I really think it would generate plenty of sales. And it's not so much competeing with their line-up.. But making different types if cars for each tax bracket wether it be a fwd 6 cyl coupe.... Or a rwd tt coupe. Just matters on what the customer wants/can afford.

at that price, and power, they would sell like hotcakes. but that power range puts it right at Z performance. Which means the sales of that car would suffer and considering that the Z is supposed to be a "flagship" type of car for nissan, they won't let it happen.
for it to even be considerable, it would have to be more in the 200-250 whp range.
I say, if they yanked the sentra out of their current line up, they could put something like this in it.
If you need 4 doors, and can't afford an Altima, then get a Versa. No one really goes for the in between step of getting an sentra. Ditching the sentra, and putting in a 220 whp, rwd car in the 15-20K range would allow them to have a "sports" car, that "kids" could afford. Especially if they made the engine have any kind of potential at all.
m 2 cents

[Blackzenki82]

to all the nay sayers on the RB20 idea for my Z, there's some things you need to consider. First, i'm not a power monger anymore, one of the reasons i got out of the GTR, i'm done chasing power. Second, it's basically a drop in boosted engine, that's around the same weight as the L28. third, have you seen Eric "the beiber" Conklings red hatch?



that car has been driven by eric since he was 14, and driven hard and untuned. it's been his regular drift car since 2009, hitting almost every local event, and the kid beats the living shit out of that car, hit the wall like 4-5 times, blown couplers, axles, turbos, etc etc etc. it has NO LIMITER and yet he rides 8k+ rpm on it regularly. to this day, that RB20 in his car has seen maybe 30 drift events, between him and his dad Fred. he tandems with pat goodin, rob flemming, sean forrester, miles flick, fello ambivero, taylor ray, and hangs with LSx powered cars (flemmings/goodins, etc etc).

i will by no means say it's a "bad ass" engine or "the coolest jdm tyte swap yo" in the options list, but he's railed his beyond any SR i've put through the motions. It's just a nice, cheap, viable option to get myself back on track, with a proven powerplant VS this carb'd L28 that i'm not sure will even be able to handle my style of driving.

i mean, $800, and minimal other expense to get it in my old datsun? and at this point, I'd rather run a RB20, than a SR20, as that motor will shift the weight too far back in the chassis to make for an ass heavy bitch. you guys know I've NEVER been an advocate of a RB20.

for the record, i would MUCH prefer a RB25 of a 20 any day, but shit, it's $800.

one more for those that say "shit motor"

[Under Pressure]

Man I wish I could get that setup off of you I have to pay a $315 ticket :'(

[Jared Noriega]

at that price, and power, they would sell like hotcakes. but that power range puts it right at Z performance. Which means the sales of that car would suffer and considering that the Z is supposed to be a "flagship" type of car for nissan, they won't let it happen.

I agree and disagree, s-chassis have always been tuner legos. I see plenty of old men driving 2003 z's that would never step on the pedal of an s-chassis. In the end, n/a hr motors are raw as shit and have tons of potential with the dual intake setup. Its like comparing a g37 to a g35 to a 350z. All pretty much have the same base..with lots of little differences separating them among the different consumers. I was also anticipating this would be in the future, where im assuming the 350 will slowly rise in hp as it always has.

Although....i am just guessing


Edit: Incoming build thread shortly. Setup makes about 3 to the wheels on a cold day.











Drools initiated.

[Under Pressure]

Hey BZ, your old 240z is up for sale for $7k lmao that kid is crazy! 1972 Datsun 240z F/S NOW

[obituary]

^its worth about 500 to 800 bucks !

[Blackzenki82]

i saw that and LOL'd.