My AWD dsm got towed - Enter - Page 2

Black_Bullet · 10-02-2008, 04:27 AM

Well luckily my mom was able to spot me the money to get my car. I hate having to go to her to always bail me out for stuff like this but I am at least glad to have my car back.
I had my boy follow me to pick it up. When I get there aside from me giving them the run around with all the most penetrating question I could come up with, the tow truck driver says again that they pulled it out of the complex and then flat bedded it. He says the driver probably lifted it from the back to pull it out since the ebrake was up. So I say ok and I then expected the car a little and nothing seemed to be out of normal, except untill I drove it...

All the way home down the i4 I felt this weird pulsation in the rear end of the car that increased with speed. I got off the interestate and decieded to take MLK home thru the city since I wasnt comfortable at the highspeeds in this situation. I have no idea what the issue is since Im thinking if anything in the drivetrain is destroyed it would be the tcase, vicious coupler, or center diff which is all up front.
When I get home and inspect it again I come up with this-

Rear Left tire

Rear right tire

This a large flat spot on the tire worn down to the damn threads. Obviously, common sense would say since I did park with my ebrake up some how the ebrake managed to hold the rear tires still enough to eat at only one portion of the tire. But to eat this deep into the tire, Im thinking these motha####as had to have dragged my car for some distance.
Also notice how the rear left tire was much more ate down than the rear right tire.
Perhaps the brake wasnt holding as strong on that side? The flat spots werent perfectly symmetrical nor parallel, the only way I can explain it is think of the flatspots like cam gears the rear left was more advanced and the rear right was more retarded ( in relation to each other, so one wheel had to turn some, likely the less eaten up one)
Unless theY made a few turns while they were dragging the car.
If that ^ didnt make sense then dont worry about that part...
The only optimistic thought I had at this point is that perhaps the ebrake saved my drive train from issues being that the rear tires werent really turning as the front ones were up in the air staying still.

I mean there could still definitely be damage if the ebrake let go at any point, but the brake still felt strong and when i picked the car up from the towing place the Ebrake was still up and the front tires still in the direction I left them...
My mom is helping me get all the information together and all my facts straight and more solid evidence so that we can threaten them and hope they at LEAST buy me all brand new tires for the car in replacement of the exact ones Ihave. If they arent willing to do that then we are just going to try our luck at civil court since there wouldnt be much else I could do...

FrodoGT · 10-02-2008, 04:43 AM

Damn dude... hate to see a set of hankooks go like that, they are great tires. I would start waving words like "negligence" in front of their faces and see how quickly your car gets fixed. Even if it drives all right now, they could have done serious damage to the viscous coupler, by overheating it.

Black_Bullet · 10-02-2008, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FrodoGT

Damn dude... hate to see a set of hankooks go like that, they are great tires. I would start waving words like "negligence" in front of their faces and see how quickly your car gets fixed. Even if it drives all right now, they could have done serious damage to the viscous coupler, by overheating it.

^ Hopefully the ebrake was strong enough to save the VC.
But this is all hopes, assumptions, etc. Just another reason my car should be taken care of due to just that " Negligence."
I am not trying the fight being the wrong for getting towed, I am trying to fight getting improperly towed and my vehicle damaged due to their tow and not to mention the inconvience this puts me at...

98_GstEclipse · 10-02-2008, 11:22 AM

You werent in the wrong getting towed. Complain to the leasing office make them pay for the tow. Tell them to make a bigger parking lot or open up the parking lot across the street for visitors or residents to park. Dont go down with out a fight. You had a visitors parking pass so that gave you the right to park in the parking lot. How many other parking spaces were open for residents?

F4A22 · 10-02-2008, 11:26 AM

If you need help getting tires i can help.New or used i can get you a good price thru work.

Neesan · 10-02-2008, 11:50 AM

Damn bro, like I said you shoulda checked for spots like that on the tires, and you SHOULDNT have taken it, you should have left it there because now they can say they didnt do that. And like Frodogt said throw around the word negligence, no wonder the guy on the phone went on forever about how they are professionals. Did you call back and bitch about the tires?

Neesan · 10-02-2008, 11:52 AM

If you want I have 2 spare stock rims with decent tires on them if you want them for FREE.

And bro, you should get some of these stickers off of ebay, they are only a couple bucks.

Skip · 10-02-2008, 11:58 AM

That was intentional. The driver was being a prick. What tow truck driver is not going to look in the window to see if the hand brake is up. He just didn't give a fuck and now they are getting a good laugh at your expense.

Invalid parking is not an excuse for the tow company to be negligent. You accepted responsibility for your actions by paying the company for your mistake. Now it is time for the company to pay you for their mistake. Don't let that shit slide - they will just fuck someone else as soon as they get the chance.

Black_Bullet · 10-02-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Neesan

Damn bro, like I said you shoulda checked for spots like that on the tires, and you SHOULDNT have taken it, you should have left it there because now they can say they didnt do that. And like Frodogt said throw around the word negligence, no wonder the guy on the phone went on forever about how they are professionals. Did you call back and bitch about the tires?

I know I was just so pissed at the time I wasnt thinking straight, I did look at the tires but it must've been sitting on top of the flatstop, and the tires were covered in dirt so it kind of hid it. I kicked the dirt of when I drove it, so therefore I immediately noticed it when I got home.

Your right the only problem is, supposing they try to fight this, they can try to say they didnt do that to my tires, and Id have to be able to prove they did.

I spoke with some lady at the tow truck company earlier this mourning and she just took my information down and was going to fax it to the owner and have him call me back. The lady I spoke with over the phone even suggested for me to just take it to someone to inspect it so I can get something written down by a proffesional based on the damages.

Id love to take it to Drew and have him write me out some statement that not only my rear tires being screwed, but my drivetrain as well so I can possibly walk out with more but I wont gamble with that for now and Ill just at least work on getting new tires and see if the company would just be willing to replace them without any court situation. Since its only Civil court it wouldnt be worth the headache to try to get more out of them if they are willing to replace the tires (hopeing there isnt any other damage)

I am taking my car up to a tire shop in a few mins to get them to write me out some kind of statement showing the damages done and hopefully get them to agree with me that the car needs all four new tires and not just two ( being its a AWD vehicle) and have them sign off on it and then perhaps I can take that statement to the tow truck company.

Black_Bullet · 10-02-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip

That was intentional. The driver was being a prick. What tow truck driver is not going to look in the window to see if the hand brake is up. He just didn't give a fuck and now they are getting a good laugh at your expense.

Invalid parking is not an excuse for the tow company to be negligent. You accepted responsibility for your actions by paying the company for your mistake. Now it is time for the company to pay you for their mistake. Don't let that shit slide - they will just fuck someone else as soon as they get the chance.

The average tow truck driver around here is probably just some ignorant grimey scum bag that doesnt give a fuck. No different than these local greesy shade tree mechanics that dick people over when they try to get their car fixed. But I know the VC can handle a little bit of heat from an improper tow, it doesnt just break instantly, so right now I have good faith that the ebrake limited damage to only the tires... Maybe Jerry ( LancerMan) has any input on that?

Drew, your shop is certified and stuff right? Im going to call you up in a little bit, in case the company isnt willing to work with me and it goes farther and suppose there turns out to be drive train damage I may need you to inspect the car and vouche for me or something, I dont want to be too optimistic that its only the tires, because I only drove it back home and havent touched it since.

Oscar- can you get z.225/50/r16 Hankook Ventus RS2's at your job?
I can get them at this website here for a decent price

Ventus R-S2 Z212-
OnlineTires.com - Discount Tires, Continental Tires, Hankook, Uniroyal, Nexen, Uniroyal Tires.

mikiemike75 · 10-02-2008, 02:47 PM

has anyone else thought about this but your car is awd ... when pulling a rear wheel drive car it isnt safe nore good on the transmission because of the pumps not working you have all that wear on the tranny in witch can cause something to over heat thus go out at a later point therfore is the reason why most people snatch the drive shaft out... i know some tow yards that will take the drive shaft our of awd and rear wheel drive cars... make sure you get a good through look on the tranny and drive train...

Black_Bullet · 10-02-2008, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neesan

If you want I have 2 spare stock rims with decent tires on them if you want them for FREE.

And bro, you should get some of these stickers off of ebay, they are only a couple bucks.

Oh and Ill pass on the tires, but yea thanks for that offer appreciate it.

I dont want to badge the car because it would defeate the purpose of being a sleeper if it had a big AWD sticker on the window or something. Besides most people driving around on the street think my car is non turbo, especially since it doesnt have a wing.

Black_Bullet · 10-02-2008, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikiemike75

has anyone else thought about this but your car is awd ... when pulling a rear wheel drive car it isnt safe nore good on the transmission because of the pumps not working you have all that wear on the tranny in witch can cause something to over heat thus go out at a later point therfore is the reason why most people snatch the drive shaft out... i know some tow yards that will take the drive shaft our of awd and rear wheel drive cars... make sure you get a good through look on the tranny and drive train...

The car was in nuetral. I dont ever park in gear, I always just pull the ebrake.

Todd's90 · 10-02-2008, 03:12 PM

I'd hate to bring up this senario but is it possible they did break into the car and did put the E-brake down but after pulling it with the rear wheels spinning freely the tires eventually locked up and started to drag?

mikiemike75 · 10-02-2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Black_Bullet

The car was in nuetral. I dont ever park in gear, I always just pull the ebrake.

even though in neutral its still causeing the drive shaft to spin there for pumping fluid inside the transmissions but its not pumping and cause it to over heat... just telling you so you can look out for the obvious...

10-02-2008, 04:27 AM	#16 (permalink)
Black_Bullet Dont disturb,Sleeping Car: 92... DSM...AWD ; ) My TRGarage Tampa FL : 36380487	Well luckily my mom was able to spot me the money to get my car. I hate having to go to her to always bail me out for stuff like this but I am at least glad to have my car back. I had my boy follow me to pick it up. When I get there aside from me giving them the run around with all the most penetrating question I could come up with, the tow truck driver says again that they pulled it out of the complex and then flat bedded it. He says the driver probably lifted it from the back to pull it out since the ebrake was up. So I say ok and I then expected the car a little and nothing seemed to be out of normal, except untill I drove it... All the way home down the i4 I felt this weird pulsation in the rear end of the car that increased with speed. I got off the interestate and decieded to take MLK home thru the city since I wasnt comfortable at the highspeeds in this situation. I have no idea what the issue is since Im thinking if anything in the drivetrain is destroyed it would be the tcase, vicious coupler, or center diff which is all up front. When I get home and inspect it again I come up with this- Rear Left tire Rear right tire This a large flat spot on the tire worn down to the damn threads. Obviously, common sense would say since I did park with my ebrake up some how the ebrake managed to hold the rear tires still enough to eat at only one portion of the tire. But to eat this deep into the tire, Im thinking these motha####as had to have dragged my car for some distance. Also notice how the rear left tire was much more ate down than the rear right tire. Perhaps the brake wasnt holding as strong on that side? The flat spots werent perfectly symmetrical nor parallel, the only way I can explain it is think of the flatspots like cam gears the rear left was more advanced and the rear right was more retarded ( in relation to each other, so one wheel had to turn some, likely the less eaten up one) Unless theY made a few turns while they were dragging the car. If that ^ didnt make sense then dont worry about that part... The only optimistic thought I had at this point is that perhaps the ebrake saved my drive train from issues being that the rear tires werent really turning as the front ones were up in the air staying still. I mean there could still definitely be damage if the ebrake let go at any point, but the brake still felt strong and when i picked the car up from the towing place the Ebrake was still up and the front tires still in the direction I left them... My mom is helping me get all the information together and all my facts straight and more solid evidence so that we can threaten them and hope they at LEAST buy me all brand new tires for the car in replacement of the exact ones Ihave. If they arent willing to do that then we are just going to try our luck at civil court since there wouldnt be much else I could do... Last edited by Black_Bullet : 10-02-2008 at 04:38 AM.

10-02-2008, 04:43 AM	#17 (permalink)
FrodoGT Found the Vtec switch. Car: Honda civic My TRGarage Sarasota : 610218144	Damn dude... hate to see a set of hankooks go like that, they are great tires. I would start waving words like "negligence" in front of their faces and see how quickly your car gets fixed. Even if it drives all right now, they could have done serious damage to the viscous coupler, by overheating it.

10-02-2008, 11:22 AM	#19 (permalink)
98_GstEclipse Registered User Car: 1998 Gst Eclipse My TRGarage Tampa : 517758957	You werent in the wrong getting towed. Complain to the leasing office make them pay for the tow. Tell them to make a bigger parking lot or open up the parking lot across the street for visitors or residents to park. Dont go down with out a fight. You had a visitors parking pass so that gave you the right to park in the parking lot. How many other parking spaces were open for residents?

10-02-2008, 11:26 AM	#20 (permalink)
F4A22 Dsm Addict Car: 91 X2S,00 Civic Coupe(daily) My TRGarage Bartow : 294855430	If you need help getting tires i can help.New or used i can get you a good price thru work.

10-02-2008, 11:50 AM	#21 (permalink)
Neesan They call me BALLI Car: 90 AWD TSi My TRGarage West Tampa : 15071	Damn bro, like I said you shoulda checked for spots like that on the tires, and you SHOULDNT have taken it, you should have left it there because now they can say they didnt do that. And like Frodogt said throw around the word negligence, no wonder the guy on the phone went on forever about how they are professionals. Did you call back and bitch about the tires?

10-02-2008, 11:58 AM	#23 (permalink)
Skip Throwback Car: Mitsubishi GSX My TRGarage Clearwater : 12364100	That was intentional. The driver was being a prick. What tow truck driver is not going to look in the window to see if the hand brake is up. He just didn't give a fuck and now they are getting a good laugh at your expense. Invalid parking is not an excuse for the tow company to be negligent. You accepted responsibility for your actions by paying the company for your mistake. Now it is time for the company to pay you for their mistake. Don't let that shit slide - they will just fuck someone else as soon as they get the chance.

10-02-2008, 02:47 PM	#26 (permalink)
mikiemike75 Registered User Car: My TRGarage : 101481109	has anyone else thought about this but your car is awd ... when pulling a rear wheel drive car it isnt safe nore good on the transmission because of the pumps not working you have all that wear on the tranny in witch can cause something to over heat thus go out at a later point therfore is the reason why most people snatch the drive shaft out... i know some tow yards that will take the drive shaft our of awd and rear wheel drive cars... make sure you get a good through look on the tranny and drive train...

10-02-2008, 03:12 PM	#29 (permalink)
Todd's90 Street racing is 4 ricers Car: 1990 GS-T My TRGarage Under The Hood : 149493420	I'd hate to bring up this senario but is it possible they did break into the car and did put the E-brake down but after pulling it with the rear wheels spinning freely the tires eventually locked up and started to drag?