GM says.... BRING IT!

[treekiller]

[Sneakin Deacon]

thank god...i was going nuts wondering wtf 230 was.

[1320 Engineering]

230 mpg is stronggggg

[EludeR]

The only real drawbacks is the cost of the car which the last time I read will start around the high 30s. It will pay for itself over time though.

[treekiller]

yea it's truly a game changer.. sure. some electric only models are getting equalivent to 300mpg but none can be driven cross country without stopping every 100 miles. where the volt can. First the Zr1 then CTS-V now this.. Good job GM

[chi town brat]

Isn't the Nissan Leaf already sporting more mileage and a lower sticker price?

[Loren]

It's all marketing BS. The Volt's "MPG" is entirely related to the length and speed of the trip. (not unlike other hybrids that can travel a certain distance on battery power only... like the Fusion Hybrid) The term "MPG" becomes increasingly less relevant when the car can be plugged in to obtain energy from an alternate source.

The Leaf is a completely electric vehicle. I don't know how or why they even bother putting an "MPG" number on it. It burns NO fuel. Ever. Doesn't even have an engine. It's like assigning an MPG value to your refrigerator, it makes no sense.

[electric1]

The major difference between Volt and Leaf, besides the fact the Leaf is a true electric car and Volt just pretends to be one , is that Nissan will not be selling Leaf with the battery. Battery will be leased.

Most people can't swallow a sticker price of the battery, its around 10K just for the battery, no way this will compete with gas cars, so Nissan came up with excellent marketing strategy, you buy and own the car at some $15K and sign the lease for the battery. This way you pay monthly bill for battery, just like you spend money on gas every month, plus few more $ on electric bill for recharge and NEVER BUY GAS again.

Of course the devil is in the details of the lease contract, which is not available yet. But as long as monthly battery bill plus few bucks on electric bill is less or equal of what you typically spend on gas, then you are good to go electric

IMHO, this is the best marketing strategy to get EVs on the road and start competeing with gassers. At some point they may also sell the battery to those who prefer the buy option over lease option, but lease opens the door to the new market. Way to go Nissan!!!!!

[BAMF]

More homo car wars. I'll take a 400HP Corvette that gets 29mpg, please.

[GT4SOM]

Screw leasing the batteries.

[BAMF]

Screw leasing the batteries.

Screw cars with a big plate of batteries in them. That shit is worse for our environment than a regular 4-cylinder gas powered car. With all the pollution, money, and energy expended making the batteries, integrating them into the car, and then the fact that batteries are basically unable to be disposed of....these 'hybrids' are so much worse for us in the long run than a regular car. Go buy yourself a Honda Civic 5-spd and get excellent fuel economy without ruining the environment.

[flyspyder55]

Amen... Batteries Are Horrible For The Environment

[Loren]

Not saying that I have a strong feeling either way, but I'm gonna play the other side here for a moment.

Batteries are bad, huh? Okay. So, a lithium battery pack that has to be replaced every 100k miles is bad for the environment. Maybe. Until they become as commonplace as other recycled items, then they'll be recycled.

Here's the other side. A typical gas-engined car in 100,000 miles will see about 20 oil changes. That's at least 20 gallons of waste oil, most of which will be recycled (But, certainly WASN'T 30 years or more ago! Raise your hand if you know first-hand how good used engine oil is for killing weeds along a fence line in the back yard.), plus 20 oil filters that will most likely find their way to a landfill. Most people will take at least 8 years to travel 100k miles... typical car battery lasts about 2-3 years. So, there's three 12v lead-acid car batteries to dispose of.

My point here is that there's PLENTY of stuff that's bad for the environment (even without considering tailpipe emissions) resulting from driving a car with an ICE. The difference between that and a fully-electric car with "bad for the environment" batteries is that we've been dealing with all of this crap for nearly 100 years and we have systems in place to recycle it all. When electric cars settle into a set of standards and people start buying them in mass, standards for recycling their parts will soon follow.

[redinjuns]

But you can't kill weeds with batteries...

[BAMF]

But you can't kill weeds with batteries...

Sure you can. Just get a little bit of that battery acid on 'em.