How does Brembo justify their prices?

[VIGORstraight5]

impressive... EBC advertises they're Green Stuff brake pads as suitable for the street and ultra low dusting. do you think this can be construed as the pads being harder than necessary, in turn running the risk of "chewing up" the rotors?

[Illswyn]

what kind of synthetic brake fluid did you use, and why that kind?

[ZDriver96]

Cross drilled rotors cool down faster but they also heat up faster because they have less mass to absorb the heat. Cross drilling screws up the grain pattern in the rotor making it susceptible to cracking. Brembo justifies there pricing on Rotors because they aren't actually cross drilled. So u wont have a cracking issue. They dont do it for performance per say but because customers demand the look. The Slots actually do perform a purpose but how much who knows.
What some people do is cryo treat their cross drilled rotors so they'll last longer but even then... if you subject them to a dual piston or larger caliper that applies an ample amount of psi they'll start cracking.
Im doing an OEM upgrade on my z28 right now... Should be close to the stopping power of a new vette.
Biggest factors of stopping are the pads, caliper, and rotor swept area.

[lstepnio]

Originally posted by Illswyn
what kind of synthetic brake fluid did you use, and why that kind?

I use Valvoline simply because it has the highest boiling point available locally at most stores around town. You could go with something better but just like the many other points unless you're seriously racing you're wasting money and effort.

Originally posted by VIGORstraight5
impressive... EBC advertises they're Green Stuff brake pads as suitable for the street and ultra low dusting. do you think this can be construed as the pads being harder than necessary, in turn running the risk of "chewing up" the rotors?

I found that the Honda people seem to like the EBC pads but on Subaru's the general opinion is a big thumbs down. I've heard countless reports of the EBC tearing up rotors very quickly and not really having impressive stopping power to justify the wear.

I would suggest researching AXXIS pads for street use on your vehicle. The AXXIS Metal Masters are a great OEM upgrade with mild dusting and a step or two up are the AXXIS Ultimates but they do dust like crazy. I have had no noise problems with either of the two pads with correct installation.

[Solar Specialist]

Big brake kits just bring big price tags. For my car the cheapest one I've seen is $2500 and they go up to $4000. I think thats insane myself though.

[buck19]

DO NOT USE DOT4 OR DOT5
on ABS cars. the ABS pump will create air bubbles in the brake fluid becuase it has Silicon in it.

use only DOT3 unless you have a non-ABS car.

I have Cross Drilled and i do some heavy breaking. they are getting old with about no more than .15 cm wear. i think they are the PowerSlot brand. they have yet to crack and they claim that the edges of the drilled holes have a bevle to reduce stress on the rotor.

but reall racing rotors are made of a carbon kevlar which cost $15,000+. so dont think youre paying a lot.
look at the real racing rotors, they look nothing like your imitation AEM brakes.

i just read an article about brakes and how they work.

Zdriver96. you are right about cross drilled rotors heating and cooling faster. what im getting from the article i read is that when you apply the brakes they will heat up causing more friction, thus stopping better. so needless to say cross drilled would do the job perfect. and it would have to be vented brakes so they dont get too hot and create a melt down.

heres the article i read from www.outlawdiscbrakes.com

About Disc Brakes

[buck19]

what always helps in braking would be bigger, wider tires, giving you a bigger contact patch for a lessert of a chance of locking up

[buck19]

heres a picture of what the rotors look like on the porsche for the le mans series

[lstepnio]

Cross drilled rotors heat up faster simply because there is less mass and the same goes for cooling in addition to a slight gain in the cooling surface(minus the area lost to the holes).

The racing pads that are used on a Le Mans car will gas under extreme temperates and operate best under very high temps. This is simply why they use cross drilled rotors on these race cars. There is zero advantage to using cross drilled on a vehicle with modern performance pads that are suitable for public roads, autocross events, performance driving schools or light/mild track duty. The type of pads we use on our vehicles are designed to operate best at lower temps and do not gas. Civilian Porsches have cross drilled rotors simply because their customers demand the look.

I'm not exactly sure where you pulled the idea of not being able to use DOT4 with ABS equiped vehicles? That is plain wrong! DOT4 is actually recommeded for most vehicles with ABS.

You do make a good point regarding tires being the best upgrade in a braking system. A general rule of thumb is that as long you can engage your ABS on a good surface you have enough clamping force in your brakes and you won't gain much of an advantage upgrading your brakes. It becomes harder to lock up your brake and get the ABS to kick in when you go with better tires.

[VIGORstraight5]

jesus is there anything people on this board DON'T know?

[Solar Specialist]

Originally posted by VIGORstraight5
jesus is there anything people on this board DON'T know?

Thats the best part of online forums(at least I think so). Hell, I've gotten help with HW, shit to do with every car me and my friends/family have owned, music, and just about anything else I needed on forums like this one.

[ZDriver96]

We know everything....
But really what i like a lot about this site is that people for the most part know what they are talking about and if they dont they dont act like they do..
for the most part anyways.
In the Fbody community EBC pads have about a 50/50 in satisfaction. Some like them some dont. Usually i hear that they brake well but dust a heck of a lot and dont last long.