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    Ford dumping spark plugs in favor of focused light?

    In a breakthrough that may make vehicle starting issues due to fouled plugs or inclement weather a thing of the past, engineers at Ford have reportedly teamed with scientists at Liverpool University to develop a laser beam ignition system to replace ye olde spark plug. The researchers claim their technology is more efficient, more reliable, and it will enable vehicles to start easier in extreme temperatures and damp climates.
    Unlike traditional spark plugs (invented way back in 1839 by Edmond Berger), laser light may be split into multiple beams distributing ignition points within the cylinders – not just at the tip of the plug. This not only aids combustion, it also lowers emissions during cold starts. Researchers also point out that the lasers use less energy than their spark plug counterparts, eliminate wear items and wires (fiber optics will carry the laser beam to the cylinders), and improve fuel burn by "watching" ignition from within the combustion chamber and sending messages back to the ECU to adjust fuel mixtures, timing, and ignition.
    Ford is expected to introduce the technology in its top models within the next few years, and then make it more widely available
    Gentlemen, Start Your Lasers: Ford dumping spark plugs in favor of focused light?
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    Sounds good to me. Just another Inefficient setup thats being reworked in modern vehicles. Now if they just could do something about the gas tank....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buri3d View Post
    Sounds good to me. Just another Inefficient setup thats being reworked in modern vehicles. Now if they just could do something about the gas tank....
    I hope you're joking

    There's an extremely little amount to gain in the spark area of engines. The biggest advantage this would have is individual combustion chamber monitoring, which BMW uses through the spark plug on the M5 for instance. Unless this eliminates the ignition coil, which I doubt, the only wear part its replacing on modern cars is the spark plug itself, which is quite simply the least expensive part to replace.

    I dont see big changes ahead, even if it DOES work. How expensive are these stupid things, and are they still as easy to replace as spark plugs?

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    i'm sure it'll be expensive and a PITA to change
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    Originally Posted by efficientkiller
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    who gives a fuck its lazer beemz pew pew

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzz View Post
    who gives a fuck its lazer beemz pew pew

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzz View Post
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    @ the laser noise

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    I can attest that Ford cant even align body panels correctly. They changed the heads in my car in 08 because spark plugs were known to break off and get stuck when trying to replace them. They need to step the fuck away from lasers before they kill someone

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyH View Post
    I can attest that Ford cant even align body panels correctly. They changed the heads in my car in 08 because spark plugs were known to break off and get stuck when trying to replace them. They need to step the fuck away from lasers before they kill someone
    Really? Damn. Do you have forced induction? Whats the factory torque spec on the heads?

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    lol........they need to do more research on cam-less heads. that would really boost fuel efficiency and make tuning almost virtually limitless. it would put alot of people out of business though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion ZyGarian View Post
    I hope you're joking

    There's an extremely little amount to gain in the spark area of engines. The biggest advantage this would have is individual combustion chamber monitoring, which BMW uses through the spark plug on the M5 for instance. Unless this eliminates the ignition coil, which I doubt, the only wear part its replacing on modern cars is the spark plug itself, which is quite simply the least expensive part to replace.

    I dont see big changes ahead, even if it DOES work. How expensive are these stupid things, and are they still as easy to replace as spark plugs?
    Mostly what I meant was less to change. Assuming these "lasers" would have a much longer lifespan then sparkplugs and wires, It would reduce waste.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nycist View Post
    lol........they need to do more research on cam-less heads. that would really boost fuel efficiency and make tuning almost virtually limitless. it would put alot of people out of business though.
    I'm guessing they're either still too expensive to mass produce and/or not reliable enough, which is why we havent seen them. One of the higher ups at an SAE conference I went to hinted that Chrysler--among others--uses one to get the powerband they aim for, then make a cam to those specs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzz View Post
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