e85 stations

[GsT Racer]

so when is pinellas county and/or surrounding counties going to get an e85 station? has anyone heard of any plans for one? I know there is one in jacksonville and miami, and a few near the kennedy space center, but how bout the west side!? lol

[93LowBody]

E85 is gay

[P057]

why?

[93LowBody]

why?

heres just one review on it. Lower power, Lower MPG, the lower cost of e85 for them was offset by the lower MPG.

E85 Vs. Gasoline Comparison Test

[FrodoGT]

BUT! Higher octane=cheap race fuel.

[93LowBody]

^ if you need 103 octane and dont mind the shitty gas mileage.

< will never DD a car that needs 103 octane.

[RITZ7]

e85 gtfo my face

[P057]

heres just one review on it. Lower power, Lower MPG, the lower cost of e85 for them was offset by the lower MPG.

E85 Vs. Gasoline Comparison Test

I was asking why the OP cares or even wants it?

More than likely won't be good for his engine anyways due to the corrosiveness of the E-fuels.

[GsT Racer]

people! and i use the term loosely...

I don't care how well it works. have you heard of any stations opening up?

[plazma]

heres just one review on it. Lower power, Lower MPG, the lower cost of e85 for them was offset by the lower MPG.

E85 Vs. Gasoline Comparison Test

Well i'm thinking this is a serious question so let me see if I can shed some light on it for you.

First to answer you quote.
Lower power- on the flex fuel vehicle it doesn't take advantage of the higher octane. If one was so inclined you could actually increase performance in way of a tune/chip (or more timing for older cars with a distributer). Also to be noted the lack of performance was very very little.

Lower mpg- absolutely true and to be expected. The key differenceis 85% of the fuel is made from corn which is produced here in america (keeps money here and pays our farmers which in turn bolsters our economy). If they gear up to really produce e-85 then the cost will drop a good bit which is alot more then can be said for the current oil costs.

Cost- see above and again to mention sending tons of money over to the middle east and to chavez rather then keeping it here in our states. Also in case you didn't know as late as a few years ago (when I lived in Indiana) the government would pay the farmers to not plant certain crops (mainly corn) to help keep supply and demand in check. If we could stop paying people to not do something and get back to paying people to produce more to help keep prices low it makes good sense.


As for why I would like to see us start using more ethanol based fuels it will help out the economy here and hurt it over in places run by people we don't see eye to eye with.
I like the performance that you can get using e-85 and if we had a station here I would use it in my turbo car. It's cheaper then race fuel and has alot more octane then premium pump fuel and is at least 70 cents a gallon cheaper. (based on premium being 3.82 today and e-85 being 2.86 ) In a tuner/muscle car you can take advantage of the octane to the tune. (my car being able to run and extra 6 psi and 4 degrees of timing means another 85rwhp-100 ft/pds dyno proven, as thats how I run on a blend of 93 and 110 being about 100 octane. Might be able to get more as e-85 is 103 octane)

I don't think we should convert to e-85 for the emissions strictly.
I also don't think we should get rid of gas and only use e-85 as if we had a bad crop season we could be in for some problems. I do think we should use it alot more then we do now though.

If nothing else math shows why it makes sense.
On gas the tahoe got 18.5 mpg
On e-85 it got 13.5 mpg
A difference of 26.5%
Premium gas today at 3.82 average
Regular was 3.47 average
e-85 (higher octance then premium) 2.86 average
Thats .96 in difference so even if it gets 26.5 % less fuel milage the e-85 is still less expensive by a bit mile to mile. (35% would make it about the same as premium fuel)
It is a .61 difference over regular means e-85 would cost slightly more to run.

So if you put regular in your driver (if you even can as alot of nicer performance cars require premium from the factory) its a bit cheaper and your money leaves the states to run it. Don't count on this being the case for long as prices continue to go up daily with no end in sight. When the difference crosses 75 cents you might as well buy the e-85 as its the same money.

What was your complaint about e-85 again?


Gas price source - http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/

[BosnianLanos]

E85=Bad. Hess stations (the one near my house anyway) have gasoline with 10% ethanol. Avoid them. The alcohol is aggressive and prolonged use will damage rubber fuel seals and cause bad leaks in the long run. E85 will create more power in high-compression engines (Koenigsegg CCXR), but in gas-only engines, the compression ratio isn't high enough to use the E85 efficiently and you will experience 10% worse gas mileage. Considering that E85 costs about 90% of a regular gallon of gas...you do the math. You're coming out the same in the end.

Not to mention that the world cannot produce enough food products to create enough ethanol so that it becomes the next mainstream fuel.

And no I don't think there are any plans in the short-run to make E85 stations anywhere near us.

[plazma]

Also to be noted the newer cars have the fuel lines and seals to deal with this. You can also use additives with a lubricating property to help offset the alcohol in older cars.
Compression isn't required to takeadvantage in terms of static compression as you can acheive alot of the same result with timing increase. At some point your ignition couldn't keep up on a stock car but it is unlikely you would go even nearly that far.

The world can't produce enough using current methods is correct. I don't much care about the world production (I don't want it to completely replace gasoline)and america can produce more then enough to meet a decent amount of our requirement which would pour hundreds of millions of dollars into our ecomony and also create new jobs here in this country.

[P057]

[Superluminal]

It's funny that only a couple people know what they're talking about, and the rest say it sucks because they're clueless.

[GsT Racer]

I'm thinking of running ethanol from a purely performance-oriented standpoint. I'm not too worried about mpg, although I know the loss won't be too great. I believe I can still achieve 20-25mpg in vaccuum, regular city driving. The last thing on my mind is how good it is for the enviroment.

Seals and fuel lines can be replaced.

I can run 30-35psi on e85 with perfect timing. Thats what I'm mainly concerned about. My next concern is price, which will not be too much. I can live on $3.00 a gallon, hell I can live on $3.50 a gallon. But with projected gas prices to be around $4-$4.50 a gallon by next year, I'm having a bit of trouble sleeping at night.

So for you guys to come in here and start throwing out opinions on how "oh e85 is bad" and whatever, I don't want to hear it. All I want to know is where can I get some. And just because Hess and BP sell gasoline with 10% ethanol, that doesnt prove a damn thing about it. It just says that 10% of ethanol aint shit.

As far as not being available to completely replace gasoline, I don't care. If the demand for gasoline went down, then the price of gasoline goes down. If half the gas stations in the U.S. were e85 and the other half gasoline, that would just be more fuel(options) available to everyone. Grandma can get 87 at $3 something, John Doe can get 93 at $3 something, and Johnny Speedster in the Sportscar can get e85 at $3 something, without having to spend 7 or 8 bucks for a gallon of race gas. everyone wins. except of course the middle east.