Helical vs Clutch type LSDs

[smokeyii]

My brother and I have an on-going debate as to which type of limited slip is better for drifting and/or auto-x. From what I've read about Helical types, such as quaife, they're only good when at least one wheel has traction. If both wheels were spinning then it wouldnt transfer torque to either wheel.

So that would make the clutch type better for drifting, right? What about auto-x? I would think that in auto-x they'd be closer to even (more or less what you perfer) because you're not trying to spin both wheels.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but please don't bash if I have something wrong. Thanks!

[smokeyii]

come on, 20 views and noone has any idea?

[Projekt]

theres like 3 forums to look this up. and google

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[smokeyii]

Originally Posted by Projekt

theres like 3 forums to look this up. and google

search

You could have just said "I don't know" and that would have been the same

Seriously, none of you drifting experts know the awnser to this? I've read about them but I want your opinons and comments. Does anyone around here run a helical (torsen) torque-biasing LSD on their drift car? Do you also daily drive it? Do you do other motor-sports?

[mikespeed95]

helical sucks for drifting, you've already figured out why.

clutch type work find for auto-x. honestly jgtc cars, and a lot of other motorsports they just run a spool, or welded diff, which is how i roll.

[satanshatch]

Originally Posted by mikespeed95

helical sucks for drifting, you've already figured out why.

clutch type work find for auto-x. honestly jgtc cars, and a lot of other motorsports they just run a spool, or welded diff, which is how i roll.

Why do I not see $175,000.00 JGTC cars having welded diffs? A car of such engineering marvel rolls with a welded diff? This I'd like to see.

To answer your question/debate - a Helical diff never really locks.,The differential can only multiply the torque it can apply at the side with low traction, so if one tire has very little traction then the diff will act the same as an open differential.

[satanshatch]

On a side note, this is why the "Drift community" has no commen ground. Everyone wants to be an asshole or a click. No one can just be decent answer the kids question or help somoene else out. Sad..

[smokeyii]

Thanks for the info. My brother was misinformed by a shop in his area that supposedly specializes in drifting and the 240sx. The guy told me the same thing, that an OBX (which, according to him is the same thing as a Quaife) are the "best" LSD's to run. Everything I've read to this point has said otherwise, and I was hoping to have that comfirmed here.

They have an OBX LSD on their "drift" car, but noone has ever seen it drift, even at the events they've held in their area. I'm guessing with all the views and no replies to this topic that noone in on here either runs a quaife/obx or knows anyone that does. There must be a reason...(and no, im not talking about the "just weld it" argument).

Thank you for your reply Satanshatch.

[B18C5-EG]

I run a 1 way clutch type in my corolla (stock diff). I like it alot although my clutch packets are wearing out and I need a rebuild. But it's a 1986 and the diff fluid didnt look like it had ever been changed lol. And I can buy a rebuild kit from T3 for $150.00 and it makes my diff 3x stronger then stock. If you are anxious to drift then go ahead weld it but make sure you do it right or get a VLSD but if you have patience then go with a clutch type there more then worth it.

[smokeyii]

Car has a vlsd in it already, but I don't think the fluid has ever been changed. This is my first "performace" car, and i want to get into auto-x first to learn more about performace driving before i go out and try to drift and screw up and end up wrecking.

just take the car and learn it first at an auto-x, dot worry about getting better parts now.

[???]

Originally Posted by satanshatch

On a side note, this is why the "Drift community" has no commen ground. Everyone wants to be an asshole or a click. No one can just be decent answer the kids question or help somoene else out. Sad..

i think the truth is all the so called pro drifter don't really know shit about cars...just walk around a drift event. everything is such a fucking hack job.


just my .02 from reading checking up on this shit.



go with a clutch type over the torson. i have a torson and yes some times when its really slippery it will spin one tire... it does fine if you clutch it but just rolling in the gas around a corner, i can make it spin one.

it came stock with the car so I'm leaving it, because i can work around it but still bugs me from time to time.

[Jus Skott]

Originally Posted by Mars_302

just take the car and learn it first at an auto-x, dot worry about getting better parts now.

I would to agree 100% w/ that comment.... nothing better then beating on a car to get to know it. As time or as parts break. up grade.

satanshatch thanks you just learned me something too...

[hachibill]

Originally Posted by Projekt

theres like 3 forums to look this up. and google

search

ding ding ding.

[agentAndy]

Originally Posted by smokeyii

Thanks for the info. My brother was misinformed by a shop in his area that supposedly specializes in drifting and the 240sx. The guy told me the same thing, that an OBX (which, according to him is the same thing as a Quaife) are the "best" LSD's to run. Everything I've read to this point has said otherwise, and I was hoping to have that comfirmed here.

They have an OBX LSD on their "drift" car, but noone has ever seen it drift, even at the events they've held in their area. I'm guessing with all the views and no replies to this topic that noone in on here either runs a quaife/obx or knows anyone that does. There must be a reason...(and no, im not talking about the "just weld it" argument).

Thank you for your reply Satanshatch.

what shop is this??