Good Shocks, cheap springs...?!?!?!

[Outkasted24]

Maxspeed = Junk IMO.
Very cheap product made of very cheap materials.

If you want a set of cheap Coilovers, I have a brand spankin new set of Chrome w/ Blue springs.
They are Ebay specials and will sell for real cheap. PM me if interested.

[edmel89]

how cheap? keep in mind there like $20 on ebay, lol pm me

[treekiller]

while I reccomend cheap coil over kits as a soloution to lowering springs in the right application. keep in mind dampers tuned for stock springs (GR-2 or other stock type replacement) just will not cut it. since most of these kits make up for reduced travel with spring rates double or triple the factory spring. while they may not blow if not over-lowered.. but your gonna have trouble getting the car to behave.

ones tuned for "sport springs" are the bare minimum I would reccomend. you can pick up a good set of shocks for a honda for $450 (bilstein sport) which is a high pressure monotube with a built in bumpstop. that should do Okay. but I've said before for not much more you can get a proper suspension kit. from K-sport or D2 or Megan... lower the car and keep spring preload. I personally like the K-sport since it's what I use but any of the entry level kits will perform well. make sure you find one with adjustable mounts. so you can lower the vehicle without loosing travel.

[edmel89]

Originally Posted by treekiller

while I reccomend cheap coil over kits as a soloution to lowering springs in the right application. keep in mind dampers tuned for stock springs (GR-2 or other stock type replacement) just will not cut it. since most of these kits make up for reduced travel with spring rates double or triple the factory spring. while they may not blow if not over-lowered.. but your gonna have trouble getting the car to behave.

ones tuned for "sport springs" are the bare minimum I would reccomend. you can pick up a good set of shocks for a honda for $450 (bilstein sport) which is a high pressure monotube with a built in bumpstop. that should do Okay. but I've said before for not much more you can get a proper suspension kit. from K-sport or D2 or Megan... lower the car and keep spring preload. I personally like the K-sport since it's what I use but any of the entry level kits will perform well. make sure you find one with adjustable mounts. so you can lower the vehicle without loosing travel.

WOWOWOWOWOW your telling me that me KYB GR2 shocks arent for lowered aplications???? I got them cuz I thought they were...

[treekiller]

I am sorry they are Just stock upgrade Replacements, perhaps with mildly better valving. while wearing a "sporting" name GR-2's are anything but. Even their AGX adjustable is not damped well even at it's highest setting. once again better then stock and if your using a mild lowering spring it'll work just fine. but if you want to race. or have aspirations of a tunable car it's not the solution for you. Most of those shocks will work with the typical "lowering" spring. but I've had the KYB's not work with simple off the shelf Tein S-tech springs which were very low. (the US spec ones are better now) now keep in mind, your going with a stiffer spring and a damper that's not worn out like a stok one after 50,000 miles the car is going to feel 1000x better. it won't be "good" but you can live with it.. until you decide to get a proper suspension kit. and then you'll be blown away.

I just hate to see people upgrade in stages, since I did it, and bought springs, then shocks, then sleeves, then better shocks, then a real coil over kit. eventually I spent 3x what I would have if I personally just bit the bullet. Now that being said if you ever do pickup motorsport the next step up is HUGE from a cheap suspension kit, to a racing suspension. you start adding double, triple adjustable and external nitrogen cylinders. things get pricey QUICK... but the cheap kits are perfect for 99% of everybody that does not get a paycheck for their racing.

We used to say around my shop KYB stood for "Keeps You Bouncing"


GR-2® Premium Shocks and Struts are specially designed to provide a smooth, secure ride with excellent control for drivers who are looking for ride comfort and improved handling. With its patented check valve, the GR-2® Premium Shocks and Struts always maintain excellent performance under even the roughest conditions. It also provides comfort and control that is often better than original equipment. GR-2® Premium Shocks and Struts are available for virtually all vehicles on the road today.

KYB used to market a decent product under the "GAB" name but it's been years since I've seen them on the shelf at even the best performance shops.

[edmel89]

crap.... lol i didnt know that, i should of gone with a dropzone coilover and suspension kit... dammit!!!!

[chucho501]

ill trade you my hnr springs for those i promise ur car will be slamed !!!!

[angelgoya]

dude just go with some stance GR they are soooo good

[senor honda]

"My personal car has cut stock coils which lower it by 3" and you can see the photographic proof when you see me at the meets."...is what I said.

I don't object that a person chooses to ignore the photograph of my Accord next to a stock Accord that pretty clearly shows a 3" difference from the lower edge of the trunk to the ground.
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I have said before that it is not a "cut" spring, but a spring that is too short which eats tires, destroys shocks, etc...........and when a person installs aftermarket springs that are too short, you will get the same results as if you cut it too short yourself.

Once again, it is a spring that is "too short" that damages a suspension. etc, not specifically the method that a person used to obtain a too-short spring.

I seem to be the only one on TR who knows how to measure a suspension
and lower a car so the tires are not eaten, the suspension is not beat up and the shocks are not blown, and my personal car is the proof.

When someone else claims they can tell exactly the height of two cars when only one car is present, I find that to be
...........an amazing claim..........-Bob

Originally Posted by Outkasted24

There Is No Way .........In Hell....... That Your Car is Lowered 3" !!!!!!
I did see your car at the meet last weekend and there is barely any drop what so ever, Maybe your getting your inches mixed up with your millimeters......... Or your just delusional.-Jeff

[senor honda]

Stay out of the way......?
Actually, when a person looks through a particular forum, they can see multiple examples where my opposing point of view
has been deleted as "off topic" by someone misusing their over-control as
suspension moderator to insure their view is the only one heard.

Since I install aftermarket lowering springs as well as shorten
stock springs to lower a car, and since I know enough about
suspensions and how to measure them, I can see both sides.

People who want to silence other peoples opinion can only
see one side.-Bob

Originally Posted by Outkasted24

And Bob, I told myself to just stay out of your way and let you preach what you want to about suspension, However... Now you are just stretching the truth and I must interject.-Jeff

[justlatino]

I agree, this site should be for sharing what we know or what we think we know, besides that we still have google, but we are here and we are local, come on guys its so much anger around, lets just be human, at least the part where we are friends, i still have a question its fluorescent light better than incandescent...............lol peace.

[edmel89]

Im back again!!! And im gonna go with Dropzone Adjustable Coilovers with the Dropzone Struts, are these good? there a good deal. I dont race but i like the look, and handling kinda

Also Im installing Front and Rear Strut Bars, Rear Lower Tie Bar, and aftermarket rear lower control arms.

But how about those Dropzone struts and adj. coilover package.??

[treekiller]

Originally Posted by edmel89

Im back again!!! And im gonna go with Dropzone Adjustable Coilovers with the Dropzone Struts, are these good? there a good deal. I dont race but i like the look, and handling kinda

Also Im installing Front and Rear Strut Bars, Rear Lower Tie Bar, and aftermarket rear lower control arms.

But how about those Dropzone struts and adj. coilover package.??

If you have a choice of spending the money on better dampers or al kinds of bars that add weight to your car, get the better dampers. you will thank me. most strut tower bars have piviot points in the wrong spots which don't add nearly the rigidity they should.. but that's a story for another post.

JL

[senor honda]

The best strut bar designs connect to the A-arm pivot points, or an actual suspension location. Depending on other clearances, they sometimes will bolt to the firewall. Sometimes they are designed, not of round tubing that will flex, but some designs use squared/angled steel to resist flexing. You can read about this on some of my other posts.

The tires, through the A-arms, or through the top of a MacPherson
strut are exerting force to flex the chassis.
You can read this on some of my other posts.

Most strut bars that I see, connect to the top of the shock absorber.
Makes for an easy bolt-on, and plenty of import guys are bolt-on guys instead of build-it guys............ this "top-of-shock" design
probably goes back to when a lot of cars had MacPherson struts,
and back then, the top of the m-strut WAS the top of the shock.
I prefer connecting frame stiffening devices to suspension points.

It's your car, and if you are pleased with the mods you make, then you are the ONLY one that has to be pleased. Catch me at some of the meets/shows, and we can talk suspensions for awhile.-Bob

[treekiller]

Thank you sir, for expanding on my previous statement. This makes 3 times in a row Me and SH have agreed.. I guess I'm getting less disagreeable in my old age.