This is what's up with Drifters at autocrosses
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This is what's up with Drifters at autocrosses
Since the one thread discussing this was locked and the "over moderation" thread that discussed it further seems to have been deleted (punctuating the appropriateness of its title it seems), I've created yet another thread to discuss the official stance regarding drifting at SCCA autocrosses.
We put on autocross events, they are not drift events. We do not meet the SCCAs criteria for safely hosting drifters. If your driving at an autocross event is considered unsafe by event stewards you'll be warned once and asked to leave if you need to be warned again. The criteria for determining safety is largely the opinion of the steward on duty, there is no defined line that you can try to dance on. Some stewards will be more strict that others.
Some will argue that this is unfair or harsh, but the fact of the matter is that we did not make agreements with our insurance company or the site owners to host drifting events. A crash involving a drifter whose driving was being condoned by SCCA officials would likely cost us our insurance, SCCA sanctioning, and probably the site as well. We simply aren't willing to take that risk.
To those that are disappointed by this, I'm sorry. For the rest I'm glad to have gotten some clarity on this point.
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We put on autocross events, they are not drift events. We do not meet the SCCAs criteria for safely hosting drifters. If your driving at an autocross event is considered unsafe by event stewards you'll be warned once and asked to leave if you need to be warned again. The criteria for determining safety is largely the opinion of the steward on duty, there is no defined line that you can try to dance on. Some stewards will be more strict that others.
Some will argue that this is unfair or harsh, but the fact of the matter is that we did not make agreements with our insurance company or the site owners to host drifting events. A crash involving a drifter whose driving was being condoned by SCCA officials would likely cost us our insurance, SCCA sanctioning, and probably the site as well. We simply aren't willing to take that risk.
To those that are disappointed by this, I'm sorry. For the rest I'm glad to have gotten some clarity on this point.
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Re: This is what's up with Drifters at autocrosses
Originally posted by nunyo
Since the one thread discussing this was locked and the "over moderation" thread that discussed it further seems to have been deleted (punctuating the appropriateness of its title it seems), I've created yet another thread to discuss the official stance regarding drifting at SCCA autocrosses.
We put on autocross events, they are not drift events. We do not meet the SCCAs criteria for safely hosting drifters. If your driving at an autocross event is considered unsafe by event stewards you'll be warned once and asked to leave if you need to be warned again. The criteria for determining safety is largely the opinion of the steward on duty, there is no defined line that you can try to dance on. Some stewards will be more strict that others.
Some will argue that this is unfair or harsh, but the fact of the matter is that we did not make agreements with our insurance company or the site owners to host drifting events. A crash involving a drifter whose driving was being condoned by SCCA officials would likely cost us our insurance, SCCA sanctioning, and probably the site as well. We simply aren't willing to take that risk.
To those that are disappointed by this, I'm sorry. For the rest I'm glad to have gotten some clarity on this point.
Since the one thread discussing this was locked and the "over moderation" thread that discussed it further seems to have been deleted (punctuating the appropriateness of its title it seems), I've created yet another thread to discuss the official stance regarding drifting at SCCA autocrosses.
We put on autocross events, they are not drift events. We do not meet the SCCAs criteria for safely hosting drifters. If your driving at an autocross event is considered unsafe by event stewards you'll be warned once and asked to leave if you need to be warned again. The criteria for determining safety is largely the opinion of the steward on duty, there is no defined line that you can try to dance on. Some stewards will be more strict that others.
Some will argue that this is unfair or harsh, but the fact of the matter is that we did not make agreements with our insurance company or the site owners to host drifting events. A crash involving a drifter whose driving was being condoned by SCCA officials would likely cost us our insurance, SCCA sanctioning, and probably the site as well. We simply aren't willing to take that risk.
To those that are disappointed by this, I'm sorry. For the rest I'm glad to have gotten some clarity on this point.
Drifters have their own events. You dont see autox'ers going to drift events trying to slalom the cones or anything. If you can't play according to the rules, go home, or stick to your own events.
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I definitely don't want this to turn into a lets bash drifters thread. This was meant to clarify a point about making official allowances for drifting at autocrosses. It cannot be done for SCCA events. That said, if one driver is driving more loose than everyone else at an event, they will only be asked to leave if they repeatedly appear to be a safety hazard.
This is a decision to be made by the event steward. As a course worker it is your responsibility to report if you feel unsafe while working the course. If a driver is making you uncomfortable on course it needs to be reported to the event steward.
This is a decision to be made by the event steward. As a course worker it is your responsibility to report if you feel unsafe while working the course. If a driver is making you uncomfortable on course it needs to be reported to the event steward.
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To be honest, it doesnt bother me at all. I can understand from the whole insurance stand point and what not. Though its not liek this happens at every event. I doubt you will ever see any drifting at brooksville due to its lay out.
Though as one person said, it wouldnt be bad idea to let some drifters go out before you guys lay out the cones and let them knock all the grass down
And as a course worker, I wouldbnt be worried that much most drifts at events are way low speed. Id be more worried about a novice. Closest call ive ever had was at Gainsville when the yellow rx7 got way to tail happy when i taking pics and slide towards me. When I was at primus shooting for DDay2, I never ahd any close calls such as that.
Though it all depends on the skill of the driver.
Though as one person said, it wouldnt be bad idea to let some drifters go out before you guys lay out the cones and let them knock all the grass down
And as a course worker, I wouldbnt be worried that much most drifts at events are way low speed. Id be more worried about a novice. Closest call ive ever had was at Gainsville when the yellow rx7 got way to tail happy when i taking pics and slide towards me. When I was at primus shooting for DDay2, I never ahd any close calls such as that.
Though it all depends on the skill of the driver.
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And as an opinion from a Safety Steward - this isn't directed only at drifters. Bottom line is that ANYONE who is out of control or otherwise driving recklessly at an autocross will be spoken to. The idea is to have fun, not to crash cars or run over people or property. I'm sure there's a figure 8 track around here somewhere if you're into that sort of thing.
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Re: This is what's up with Drifters at autocrosses
Originally posted by nunyo
Since the one thread discussing this was locked and the "over moderation" thread that discussed it further seems to have been deleted (punctuating the appropriateness of its title it seems),
Since the one thread discussing this was locked and the "over moderation" thread that discussed it further seems to have been deleted (punctuating the appropriateness of its title it seems),
I can also tell you that to the best of my knowledge, that thread was not deleted by a moderator (I asked). The only other person who could have deleted that thread was the person who started it. My guess it that is exactly what happened.
This thread is welcome, it is a good topic to discuss. Just don't let it degrade into name calling and personal attacks.
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For those who drift, and are looking for a venue, try Ocala Speedway, http://www.ocalaspeedway.com.
The Intmo group in Gainesville occasionally rents the Ocala track for their own events. With a turn out of 20 to 25 drivers, they can rent the track for 4 to 5 hours at approx. $20 per driver.
The Intmo group in Gainesville occasionally rents the Ocala track for their own events. With a turn out of 20 to 25 drivers, they can rent the track for 4 to 5 hours at approx. $20 per driver.
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I killed that thread. My thread, my right, correct? I was sick of seeing it. Loren had nothing to do with it.
No I'll go back to being silent, uh since "anyone dissin' Loren must be a douch-bag"...
I'll keep updating the calendar, though. There are a few new events on there (mostly for Porsches & 'Vettes).
See you at the races, well, whatever they are.
No I'll go back to being silent, uh since "anyone dissin' Loren must be a douch-bag"...
I'll keep updating the calendar, though. There are a few new events on there (mostly for Porsches & 'Vettes).
See you at the races, well, whatever they are.
