Any Competitions Coming Up?

[Simek4life]

Does anyone know of any car audio competitions coming up around the St. Pete area?

[pnrcaraudio]

Slam Fest is this weekend at The Florida State Fairgrounds


And Then we are putting together the final plans this week to have a Style -N-Sounds Car Show/Car Audio Competition at our shop on Nov 9th in Pinellas Park.

When we have a locked in date (which should be in the next two or three days) we will post up a thread with all the info

See Address Below:

5251 Park Blvd
Pinellas Park, FL 33781

[the727kid]

Is there room for a show at your shop?

[jermwarfare]

yeah we have room for a bout 35 -50 cars just for the show cars then parking for 50 or so others cars at the business next door. but we are encourageing people to preregister because we are advertiseing the show at slam fest and a bunch of other places

[pnrcaraudio]

Well the show is a go and will be on Sunday the 9th of November.

This gonna be a full fledged Car & Truck Show / Car Audio Competition with Trophies in all Classes.

Here are the Prices Also

Just to Display Vehicle in the Show: $10

Display of Vehicle is Free with any entrance into the Car & Truck Show or Car Audio Competition


Car & Truck Show has 10 classes and they are $20

Sound Quality has 2 Different classes and they are $25

Ground Pounders (Bass Off) has 9 Different classes with Two styles each which are $30 each style or $50 for both styles in your class.

See Links below for more info:

http://www.stylensound.com/_wizardimages/rulespage1.JPG

http://www.stylensound.com/_wizardimages/rulespage2.JPG

[wmartinlsmith]

its allowed.. not aloud.

looks like fun, the v should be done..

[wmartinlsmith]

oh is this at jets or your shop?

[NT_Hardcore]

im sure ill be there-

[the727kid]

Any chance I could get a test run on your meter to see if I should compete or not? And any discounts on price for entering SPL and Show car?

[Simek4life]

bro adrian...u want to go to safe-n-sound with me to rent the meter for a bit? ill be back in town thursday....

pnrcaraudio- can we crack the door/ window during the comp?

[wmartinlsmith]

its not being run by them. cant any one read here. its being run by jet.

and has all the info on the flyer.. so if you need to crack a window your more than welcome to but max spl is reached with the windows closed..

:( sorry it physics...

[Simek4life]

its not being run by them. cant any one read here. its being run by jet.

and has all the info on the flyer.. so if you need to crack a window your more than welcome to but max spl is reached with the windows closed..

:( sorry it physics...

not always...it depends on the car...my car is "louder" on the meter with the door cracked

[the727kid]

You were 2dBs louder with window cracked right?

[pnrcaraudio]

Yes the show is being held by Style n Sound, we are just hosting it.727 he does give multiple entry discounts. If i am correct he just started an "outlaw "class where you do whatever makes you the loudest i.e. windows down, doors open. In this class he will allow you to place the mic anywhere in front of the b pillar. This is a new class for the league so i will check to make sure that the rules for this class are correct. We have a post dedicated to this show in local events also and shortly we will post a seperate thread here also.

[Simek4life]

You were 2dBs louder with window cracked right?

Yeah somewhere around there.

[pnrcaraudio]

727 We are not running the show, we are just hosting it.

The meter is owned and operated by the Style -N- Sound league (Jethro)

There are discounts for entering multiple events

There is one event where you can run with doors open windows cracked or whatever that is the Outlaw event

but the main SPL classes are both metered with all doors and windows closed and the meter in the same place on every car`

One of those events is called Ground Pounders where you play music on any store bought CD you want (NO Burned CD's Allowed) Also no tone burst or Sweeps and it takes your average over a thirty second period.

The other Event is peak to peak which takes your loudest (Peak) score within thirty seconds (not an average) and you can use tone burst or sweeps if you want)

Each event does have a multitude of classes (Except Outlaw it is one class right now but that might change), this is so you are competing against people who have the same basic amount of power and subwoofer amounts and sizes.

If you are not sure just swing by the shop and we can look at your system and tell you which class you would be in.

Also always remember you never know what could happen just because a guy has a bigger set up does not always mean he will beat you

There are lots of factors included like the thirty second average class is more about consistantly loud than just straight up raw one time power.

And Stright Up raw one time power has a class also which is peak to peak

Another words there are lots of chances to win

[Simek4life]

PNR- are you entering any of your cars? and if so, which classes will you be in?

[pnrcaraudio]

No we will not be entering any of our cars in our own show but will probably have a few of our customers there.

If you see the White Mustang on 26" there then he is pretty loud for 4 12" Subs, but he has a wall and that will put him in a big boy class, that same customer has a Ford F150 Regular Cab on 28" which has 2 12" RE Audio SE series subs behind the seat in a sealed box which is pretty sweet for the room he had to work with behind a regular cab seat.

I am hoping that my youngest installer Rod has his new Volkswagon done to display at the show, as it should be pretty nice when he is done

Then there is the loud mouth at the shop that just won 1st place in his class at Slam Fest this weekend his shit is ugly but is killer loud especially for two 12" on 1500 RMS in the trunk. He is actually undefeated in his class this year.

As I said none of my employees will be allowed to enter the competition as I believe that to be unprofessional to compete in your show but they will all be there.

[pnrcaraudio]

We have added 8 more classes to the Car & Truck Show

Best European
Best Asian
Best American
Best Mini Truck
Best Full Size Truck
Best Low Rider
Best American Muscle
Best East Coast Ryder Style


More Anouncements to come

[NT_Hardcore]

that mustang is no joke-

[the727kid]

I will def be entering the car show, too bad I won't have rims by then =(

[Simek4life]

that mustang is no joke-

What kind of power does it have going to it?

.....Is that your setup in your avator?

[NT_Hardcore]

yea thats my set up (its for sale), but its all being replaced with new stuff

[pnrcaraudio]

The Mustang has 4 12" Subs with 3000 Watt RMS going to them and just blew a 151.6 legal run and a 153.8 Outlaw run on its first trip up on the meter.

These are the same basic #s NT should be hittin with his new set up or maybe even better

This shit is where it really gets fun when its so loud your throat closes up and your head pressurizes with ear pops and all as my head installer Rob calss it "The 150db Tingle"

[FloridaSPL]

There will be a show on November 2nd at Excess Auto Sports.

Keep checking our calendar for Florida and southeast events.

[jermwarfare]

There will be a show on November 2nd at Excess Auto Sports.

Keep checking our calendar for Florida and southeast events.

Hey what is the address for this show and is it Iasca, DB Drag or what?

[NT_Hardcore]

^+1!

[pnrcaraudio]

Here is a Flyer for The November 9th Show:

http://www.stylensound.com/_wizardimages/PNRshow.JPG

One Typo:

Zip Code is actually 33781

[the727kid]

Whoa a trunk division split up with watts? Yezzzzirr!

[GradeA_TireFryer]

what if you have more than 3000 watts in your trunk class?

someone expain the inches class....... is it total square inches of surface area or what?

[Simek4life]

what if you have more than 3000 watts in your trunk class?

someone expain the inches class....... is it total square inches of surface area or what?

It is obviously not surface area lol that would be in the hundreds...its all of your subs inches added... ie. 2 12" = 12+12=24

[pnrcaraudio]

It is obviously not surface area lol that would be in the hundreds...its all of your subs inches added... ie. 2 12" = 12+12=24


That is correct take all your Subwoofers and add the sizes together and also the Wattages are all RMS rating by the Manufacturer.

[Kyleisme]

whats the competition right now for 0-24''? Mine isnt anything great.. but definitely decent..

[Kyleisme]

and wattage.. is that for amps or subs? and which one will move you to the next round? say you have 24'' but 1600 watts.. where would you be? I dont but just asking..

[jermwarfare]

and wattage.. is that for amps or subs? and which one will move you to the next round? say you have 24'' but 1600 watts.. where would you be? I dont but just asking..

Wattage is the RMS amplifier output as stated by the Manufacturer

[Kyleisme]

sweet then i am at only 1000.. haha its a little more but thats what its stated at..

[luke81]

Wattage is the RMS amplifier output as stated by the Manufacturer

At what impedance? How will this be enforced?

[pnrcaraudio]

It is the maximum RMS power rating of the amplifier by the manufacturer at which ever impedience level that amp happens to do it's most power at.

[the727kid]

So if my amp is only rated for 3000 @ 1 ohm, I can still drop it to .5 and be classified at the 1ohm ratings?

[luke81]

Thats why power ratings were dropped by all the major SPL comps long ago! There is no fair way to classify people! People running below rated impedance will be overpowered for the class, people running over the rated impedance will be underpowered. What about cheapo amps that only have 1 rating, that is likely max power times 4? Will someone with a Rockwood 1000 watt rated poop amp that does 300 reality watts have to try to beat someone with a Memphis 1000d that does 1300 real watts?
Not busting anyones chops at all...i hope the show goes awesome, i might try to stop by at some point.

[pnrcaraudio]

Going off of RMS power is the true fair way because if my amp is rated at 1500 RMS then it is pretty close to any other amp doing 1500 RMS
(RMS is a mathematical formula which is pretty hard to fudge or lie about).

If one guy runs his amp below the recomended and rated impedience level and gets more power out of it then if he doesn't cook it good for him but that is not the only thing involved in making an SPL meter move

The classes are broke down with the consumer in mind and to try and make it as fair as possible between the competitors in the same classes.

[luke81]

For low-level consumer stuff i guess it works. I've been a competitor at DB Drag world finals a couple years(1999, 00, 01), so i get how to make a meter work. But someone who buys a 100$$ 1000 watt amp is going to be at a huge disadvantage to someone with an amp that actually does 1000+ watts. You know all amps aren't created equal. RMS is a formula, but the only numbers you have to work the formula off of is the published specs, which on many cheap amps are simply an outright lie.
If you take on of these cheeseball amps and try to run it at a lower impedance, you very well may fry it. But I've run good amps at half their rated impedence for a long time, and often it's fine. My DB Drag car had 8 crossifre CFA-1000d's all running at .5ohm, and they lasted 2 seasons with no problem.

Again, I'm not trying to bust anyones nuts....I'm just saying power classes heavily favor people who spend more on really good stuff.

[NT_Hardcore]

the last deal i went to that jet put on turned out pretty well, i felt the classes were pretty equal. it was a good time overall, made it worth it-

[jermwarfare]

Should have my new alternator, By Excessive Amperage in by the show

[Kyleisme]

For low-level consumer stuff i guess it works. I've been a competitor at DB Drag world finals a couple years(1999, 00, 01), so i get how to make a meter work. But someone who buys a 100$$ 1000 watt amp is going to be at a huge disadvantage to someone with an amp that actually does 1000+ watts. You know all amps aren't created equal. RMS is a formula, but the only numbers you have to work the formula off of is the published specs, which on many cheap amps are simply an outright lie.
If you take on of these cheeseball amps and try to run it at a lower impedance, you very well may fry it. But I've run good amps at half their rated impedence for a long time, and often it's fine. My DB Drag car had 8 crossifre CFA-1000d's all running at .5ohm, and they lasted 2 seasons with no problem.

Again, I'm not trying to bust anyones nuts....I'm just saying power classes heavily favor people who spend more on really good stuff.

You gotta think about it like this though.. You spend little amounts of money.. you probably won't be competing anyways.. if so you probably won't place Big numbers anyways.. Also is it the max the manufacturer puts out or what you have it wired at? oh ya my amp is 1000 watts a 1 ohm but i "have it wired at 8ohms.."<---- (just an example..) are you gunna go through and check wires lmao.. cuz if you have it wired at .5 Ohms on a good amp it will last for a competition..

[GradeA_TireFryer]

theorethicly if i had 4 12's in my trunk, and 4800 watts manufacture stated at 1 ohm load, and i am am new to competing what class would i be in? and would i have a competive chance?


now what if you are running 16 volt batteries - that changes the output of the amps does that change your class?

[pnrcaraudio]

Read the post your questions were all already answered earlier in this thread

You gotta think about it like this though.. You spend little amounts of money.. you probably won't be competing anyways.. if so you probably won't place Big numbers anyways.. Also is it the max the manufacturer puts out or what you have it wired at? oh ya my amp is 1000 watts a 1 ohm but i "have it wired at 8ohms.."<---- (just an example..) are you gunna go through and check wires lmao.. cuz if you have it wired at .5 Ohms on a good amp it will last for a competition..

[pnrcaraudio]

We have 115 trophies to be given out at this show about half in the car show and half in the audio competition.

There are 1st, 2nd and 3rd place trophies for every class.

So chances are almost everybody that enters will win some kind of trophy and hopefully have fun.

If you are not sure about how to figure out which class you will be in come any way and you will be helped out by one of the judges at the show.

[TJElite]

I think MECA used to do classes by power wire fuse size. Since it takes power to make power, it would be difficult to cheat too badly this way. I always thought that made sense, especially in the lower power classes. Once you get above a certain point (in wattage or DB) it starts to take a lot more than more power to get louder.

Toby

[the727kid]

They still do it, by fuses. Amazing stuff I have seen people do, like running 3000 watts off 60 amp fuses.

[Simek4life]

Going off of RMS power is the true fair way because if my amp is rated at 1500 RMS then it is pretty close to any other amp doing 1500 RMS
(RMS is a mathematical formula which is pretty hard to fudge or lie about).

If one guy runs his amp below the recomended and rated impedience level and gets more power out of it then if he doesn't cook it good for him but that is not the only thing involved in making an SPL meter move

The classes are broke down with the consumer in mind and to try and make it as fair as possible between the competitors in the same classes.

Going off RMS power is not a very fair way to classify people's classes. RMS is lied about constantly by manufacturers. Here a few examples showing that this classifaction is not fair:
1. A walmart Visonik 1200 watt amp is not going to put out even close to my underrated sundown 1000 watt amp putting out almost 1500 watts.
2. As mentioned by the727kid, his sundown amp putting out 3000 @ 1 ohm (rated), will put out around ~3500 + @ .5 ohm
3. Some amps RMS are rated at 17.0 volts (ma audio) and some at 12.8 volts (sundown).

It's hard to find a perfect way to classify systems. One setup is always going to have an advantage over another depending on the classifaction scheme. Nonetheless, the show will be fun.

[NT_Hardcore]

looks like ill be there with a new set up...

[Kyleisme]

Going off RMS power is not a very fair way to classify people's classes. RMS is lied about constantly by manufacturers. Here a few examples showing that this classifaction is not fair:
1. A walmart Visonik 1200 watt amp is not going to put out even close to my underrated sundown 1000 watt amp putting out almost 1500 watts.
2. As mentioned by the727kid, his sundown amp putting out 3000 @ 1 ohm (rated), will put out around ~3500 + @ .5 ohm
3. Some amps RMS are rated at 17.0 volts (ma audio) and some at 12.8 volts (sundown).

It's hard to find a perfect way to classify systems. One setup is always going to have an advantage over another depending on the classifaction scheme. Nonetheless, the show will be fun.

Like i said before.. Don't cheap out and you will be in decent shape.. lol.. Dont come in with some walmart amp looking to win..

[TJElite]

They still do it, by fuses. Amazing stuff I have seen people do, like running 3000 watts off 60 amp fuses.

Might work for a burp, but not much more than that.

I think that if I were to run a show based on fuse size, A) I'd issue the fuses to prevent tampering B) I'd use an average SPL over like 5 seconds, to make sure we accurately see the time / current aspect of said fuse and C) deduct DB if the fuse is blown.

I guess there will always be ways to cheat, though.

Toby

[jermwarfare]

We have 115 trophies to be given out at this show about half in the car show and half in the audio competition.

There are 1st, 2nd and 3rd place trophies for every class.

So chances are almost everybody that enters will win some kind of trophy and hopefully have fun.

If you are not sure about how to figure out which class you will be in come any way and you will be helped out by one of the judges at the show.



The show is this Sunday so come on out have fun and take home a trophy if you can.

[the727kid]

Well I won't be able to make the show, I have to work until 530 =(.

[pnrcaraudio]

Well I won't be able to make the show, I have to work until 530 =(.


No trophy for you, to bad maybe you will catch the next one .

We weill continue posting for other shows we here about so everyone has the chance to check them out if they want.

We have been pretty active with two different leagues this year so we will keep everyone posted

[the727kid]

Yea I know... I'm almost positive my car would walk out with 1st place in the car show for its class.

[jermwarfare]

Just finished up a VW Rabbit with two 12" that turned out sweet.

[pnrcaraudio]

We will have flyers for more shows in the future and if you have flyers for other show bring them with

[pnrcaraudio]

NT Hardcore Slammed a 152DB and won his class props up to ya

Anybody know who the guy with the 2 10" JL Audio's and 2000 Watt Hifonics set up was he was very impressive too with a 149 DB and also won his class

Then of course loudest of show was the primered Astro Van with 8 Rockford Fosgate 15" and 3 Rockford Fosgate 4000DB amps who did a 159.9, so close to a 160 DB's maybe next time


All in all lots of fun

I will post pics in the next few days and post about the up coming shows also.

[MCOR]

NT Hardcore Slammed a 152DB and won his class props up to ya

Great job NT Hardcore! If you are hitting those numbers with that setup you brought by the shop last week, imagine what you will be hitting with the new setup we are discussing in the next couple of months! That 160db title may be yours!!! Damn, I had no idea your truck was that loud. This is going to be fun...

[NT_Hardcore]

i ran 4 Audiopipe TXX's supplied by PnR car audio. i think theres more than a 152 in there though

[the727kid]

152dB with that set-up? No doubt it is loud, but I wonder on that mic.

[wmartinlsmith]

hahahahah thats not a mic.. its a pressure sensor.

it doesn't lie.. sorry man.

[the727kid]

hahahahah thats not a mic.. its a pressure sensor.

it doesn't lie.. sorry man.

Actually how they are calibrated depends very much on what a car can hit.

[luke81]

Calibration and the brand of the mic are very key. I can have 2 brand new mics side by side and an AudioControl will read much loud than a Term-Lab. Also depending where i set the knob my AudioControl can read the same car at a 145 or at 150+. I'm not knocking anyone, i wasn't there.....but implying that all mics are the same is just plain wrong.

[GradeA_TireFryer]

i have not competed in a long---long time, but they use to have a standard to how a mic & meter was setup, has that changed? with these new crazy rules I have no idea. Still lost on what class I would compete in, so my build has slowed until I figure it out.... but i am putting a 47" TV in a esclade - anyone want to see how?

[the727kid]

Term-Lab changes it ALL the time for standards, so it's tough to keep up. What hit a 170 on a TL 5 years ago might only do a 165 now.

[TJElite]

Term-Lab changes it ALL the time for standards, so it's tough to keep up. What hit a 170 on a TL 5 years ago might only do a 165 now.

Not necessarily doubting you, but where did you get this info? I've received termlab software updates, but never anything to do with calibration. Their pressure sensors have a K factor, that has to be put into the software, but that's it. It doesn't have any moving parts, like a mic, so it shouldn't change.

Its really irrelevant, for pressure sensor based measurement anyway, as long as the same calibration is used for each competitor...loudest will still be loudest. I've heard that some shops / promoters will play with the K factor, to make them seem louder, but loudest will still be loudest.

For mic based systems, though, all bets are off. In my experience, they lack repeatability above about 140 db.

Toby

[pnrcaraudio]

It is a Term - Lab which was used

[Simek4life]

Term-Lab changes it ALL the time for standards, so it's tough to keep up. What hit a 170 on a TL 5 years ago might only do a 165 now.

This is correct. Depending on the mic, my setup could fluctuate a couple of db's. Was this the same mic used at the show a few months back at the shop by park blv and 49th street?

[jermwarfare]

yes this is the same term lab as the last show

[pnrcaraudio]

Just heard of another Competition this one is gonna be in Tampa.

I should have flyers to post up tommorow

[pnrcaraudio]

Hey here is some info on a competition coming up.

Date: December 6, 2008

Time: 3pm till 9pm

Location: Maximum Audio Video
7212 N. Dale Mabry
Tampa, Fl 33614

Contact Phone #s: 813-882-8477
727-512-6101


If you have any questions just call those #s above or show up and ask upon arrival

[NT_Hardcore]

damn this one is much closer. ill be there for sure