100 mpg Mustang

[RexSiChic]

So I get bored at work, I can't help it

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/07/03/brilbeck.100mpg.car.wnwo?iref=videosearch

[thereturnofdark]

Can't wait for someone here to explain this.......

[Ares]

intresting i heard about somthing like this a few years back dont know if it was the same thing though. A guy got a 100+mpg buy doing somthing to the carb not exactly sure though. its a cool idea though if they ever end up marketing it

[shinmei2006]

thats the 200mpg carb myth ^this is diff, this guy supposedly got 80mpg and 400hp/500tq outta a foxbody

[aaron1017]

0-60 in ...... 3 seconds.

[Aoshi]

0-60 in ...... 3 seconds.

I didnt know you could run a regular gas engine on E85?

[Zate]

most modern cars you sure can, just need to retune it. E85 gets worse gas mileage though.

[omgwtfbbq!]

Retune it and replace the fuel lines and fuel pump with parts compatible with that high concentration of ethanol.

[Zate]

dont need to replace it.. vehicles since the 70's have had to deal with ethenol in the fuel and just about all modern cars are set to go.

the issues is with the tune, E85 contains less energy than Gas, so you need more of it...

Converting for E85 (http://e85vehicles.com/converting-e85.htm)

[omgwtfbbq!]

You're telling me that E85 won't eat my fuel pump seals or my injector seals? I'm pretty sure that's one of the biggest differences between "flex fuel" vehicles and regular cars, they're fitted with different seals in the fuel system. Seals that ethanol won't deteriorate.

[Zate]

no flex fuel vehicles are fitted with electronics that changes the tune depending on which gas you run.

We've been running ethanol in gas for 30 years, any modern car can handle the ethanol, its the tuning that needs to be done.

[omgwtfbbq!]

we've been running 10% ethanol, theres a bit of increase in concentration when you go to 85% ethanol.

[Zate]

They first introduced the ethanol to fuel in the 70's and people ran into issues then. since then most cars have fuel systems to handle the corrisiveness of E-10.

sure flex fuel cars are built to work with E85 but their fuel systems are no diff from their normal counterparts, its all in the tune.

[medicmatt]

this guy says 100mpg and 400hp/500tq? sign me up

[omgwtfbbq!]

The one with 400hp/500tq only gets 80mpg.

[Sneakin Deacon]

the thing with E85 is that is has about a 105 octane rating...meaning higher flash point. thats why you see poorer gas mileage from it with these flex fuel cars that are made to run on 87. if you switch from 87 to 93 you will notice a drop in mpg aswell. that is probably the biggest factor there...but for 400hp, and to run nothing but E85, i think its very possible because you can run more compression and the E85 will cool the intake charge more than gasoline will and you have more room to play with before you get detonation..would be awesome for a turbo car..

[omgwtfbbq!]

^ +1 saab I think has two of their turbo models, one on 91, one of e85, and the e85 car runs more boost, and of course has more power.

[shinmei2006]

^ +1 saab I think has two of their turbo models, one on 91, one of e85, and the e85 car runs more boost, and of course has more power.

the best example is the koeniggsegg ccx, on e85 it makes over 1000hp, on 98 octane it makes 800hp

[**CHRIS**]

Can't wait for someone here to explain this.......


http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/ford-forum-lounge/496182-80-mpg-400-hp-fox-coupe.html

[TIM TIM TIM]

that vid is the most useless waste of bandwith. It gave NO information on anything that matterd. I can go and say my integra makes 500 hp and gets 50 mpg also, back it up bitch!

Is it me or does it sound a little crazy to say that he is getting 500 hp and 100 mpg?

[Sneakin Deacon]

Is it me or does it sound a little crazy to say that he is getting 500 hp and 100 mpg?

no. it doesnt.

...E85...DoD...CVT.... i think that combo could honestly do it.

[TIM TIM TIM]

what is DoD ? so with e85.. its getting a bad rap because the cars that are sold to be able to run on it suck ass? So if you tuned it correctly you would actually get better mpg's then gas?

[beebo10]

dod is displacement on demand. e.g. a v8 that can run on 4 cylinders on the highway when power isn't needed. some gm/chrysler vehicles have it now. impala and 300 are two i know for sure.

[Zate]

what is DoD ? so with e85.. its getting a bad rap because the cars that are sold to be able to run on it suck ass? So if you tuned it correctly you would actually get better mpg's then gas?

no it gets worse MPG than gas, but makes more power.

[omgwtfbbq!]

DoD will help, but I think this guy is seeing 400whp AT 80mpg, not 400whp AND 80mpg.

[GRez]

The reason e85 gets worse mileage is because the stoich is ~9:1. since it has to be a richer mixture you're always going to have to use more of it, all else being equal.

[TIM TIM TIM]

yeah that is what I always understood about e85. So this guy is running e85, which get worse mpg then gas and has 400hp and still gets 80-100mpg? that just sounds stupid.. maybe im just stupid :dunno:

[plazma]

As I understood it he claims to get 80mpg with e-85 and could get up to 100mpg with gas.

His story hasn't really been proven as i'm sure he wants to keep any secrets he might have in place till after the 10million dollar challenge.

A few people on another forum claim to know the guy and they all are claim he is full of shit. Said his shop doesn't even have running water and is very low budget. I'm not sure as anything is possible.

[Aoshi]

As I understood it he claims to get 80mpg with e-85 and could get up to 100mpg with gas.

His story hasn't really been proven as i'm sure he wants to keep any secrets he might have in place till after the 10million dollar challenge.

A few people on another forum claim to know the guy and they all are claim he is full of shit. Said his shop doesn't even have running water and is very low budget. I'm not sure as anything is possible.

wouldn't surprise me. Yeah im gonna gloat about being able to do 1 billion pullups, but then not show anyone, ever.

Why the hell would he sit here and tease us with this crap and not tell us how to do it. what a dick.

[Sneakin Deacon]

yeah that is what I always understood about e85. So this guy is running e85, which get worse mpg then gas and has 400hp and still gets 80-100mpg? that just sounds stupid.. maybe im just stupid :dunno:

you can get more from a car designed for e85 only use than this flex fuel stuff. these 9-1 scr cars do not utilize the e85 like they could...the most a tune could do is allow you to run a bit more ignition timing. its the actual mechanical side that will affect it. more compression, like in the 13, 14, and even 15 to 1 range is where you will see the e85's effectiveness. you may not get stupid amounts of mpg but the power increase will be there. the biggest thing is getting the volumetric efficiency above 100 percent for the entire rpm range or damn close. most ideal way is with forced induction...you can get 100 or more from an n/a engine but usually the cam design is a little more aggressive than most would like to have on the street and are usually more top end oriented leaving them little/no torque on the bottom end for daily driving.

[blacksheep-1]

I did an unintended experiment with my 99 mustang GT (4.6, 5 spd, 3.27 gear) the best it ever did normally aspirated on 93 octane gas was 20 mpg on round trips to my parents in the Smokies. I installed a KB 6 psi blower and a 3.55 gear set and it got 20-maybe 21 on the same trip. Lastly, I installed an independent rear suspension which had 3.27 gearing and ran the car on Shell w/10% ethanol. The mpg went up to 22 and in one case 23mpg with this combination. The only thing changed was of course the blower tune, but other than that, the computer was only adjusted for the gearing. These numbers were repeatable on several trips over several years. In one case the trip was at a high rate of speed due to my father's health. It's also interesting that it happened both using the florida flatlands and also high above sea level. Any comments?

[Sneakin Deacon]

the kenne bell is a positive displacement blower. the 3.27 gear allowed you to cruise at lower rpm but higher mph....your gas choice didnt matter really, e10 has been in use for some time now. the tune probably didnt touch any of your fuel tables at vacuum pressures which is what you would use during a cruise condition.

[GRez]

I have picked up a considerable amount (especially city) through tuning.

Also some people have claimed to have success with browns gas on a carb-d car. my guess is this guy figured out a way to either efficently produce enough on demand or store it and release it on demand.

[sl2racer]

the gasoline is what lubricates the fuel pumps. e85 doesn't work as well as a lubricant and it tends to burn out the pump. also since you need more fuel some stock fuel pumps not equipped for e85 don't flow enough fuel .. so either way you usually have to swap out to a different pump.

[Bori'sFiji]

no flex fuel vehicles are fitted with electronics that changes the tune depending on which gas you run.

We've been running ethanol in gas for 30 years, any modern car can handle the ethanol, its the tuning that needs to be done.

Flexfuel (E-85) vehicles have different parts than the E-10 counterparts.
You can't run E-85 on any car, it will eat out a lot of components.

check your sources.

[Zate]

Flexfuel (E-85) vehicles have different parts than the E-10 counterparts.
You can't run E-85 on any car, it will eat out a lot of components.

check your sources.

it depends. Quite a few modern cars are E85 ready without being "Flex". WRX/STi for example.

[BAMF]

Just wanted to chime in that according to what I've read, E-85 gets worse fuel eocnomy than gasoline because E-85 as a substance has less potental kinetic energy in it. There is just less energy in a molecule of it. One of the posters before attributed it to the different stoichometic mixture, I have never heard of that being the case.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain I'm not.

[Zate]

E85 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85)

[vertigo]

Scam. /thread

Anyone that believes something this rednecks grandfather invented in the 50's with a carb that gets 100mpg needs to do society a favor and not breed.

[Jesus24]

haha this is str8 .. i wuldnt mind having one of those or one with 60 mpg..lol

[blacksheep-1]

Never undestimate a "good ol'boy" with a vision.
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[neo-gsxr]

instead of retuning just add something like the white lighting kits off ebay. all they do is extend your injector pulse, then your ecu makes up for it with sensor data from the o2 sensor. they allow your car to run any thing from pure gas to pure ethanol, auto adjusting for any mix.

[lancerman]

Okay here it is in a nutshell. I have done a shiatload of research on "alternative energy" . What I learned was quite shocking at first. Then it all made sense when you get the big picture. Here are some truths that will sound ridiculous at first but I challenge you to research yourself.

The MPG you see from cars is not controlled by the auto industry. Its controlled by BIG OIL. They control the planet. There are 100s of inventions from the last 100 years that would have eliminated the need to run cars on petrol and pollute the atmosphere. The technology to get better mileage is not new. Its old as farts. Do some research on vapor carbs, and fuel reformers. They have been around for 80 years or so. They triple mileage with ease.
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And it gets better. The technology to run cars on water has been around for 100 years. and its way more powerful than petrol and there is no pollution.

BUT.

all this cool technology is useless. it wont make it on your next car till the oil industry is ready to stop selling oil at big profits. sad but true.
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