Last post and dealing with Shady Driven Concepts err... IAN.

[pheobo]

You might delete this, you might not. We'll see.

Ian, you are a shady individual. Even what you promise in public is worthless. I have received no calls, no e-mails and no PM to clear up a potential misunderstanding.
At this point I assume you'll be keeping my throttle body which you've also ever made any attempt to get to me...
I'll cut my losses. I will be back eventually. I work through issues. At this time, I will let everyone knw the following.

I worked on my car and it' the reason it got done.
the pipe fab work was done at DC and I was happy with the work and will consider changing it all, just so I do not have to say that in the future.
I am happy with the cost benefit of the paint job, but don't believe that DC can ever deliver a project in time due to poor management from the top.

I do not recommended DC to anyone.

Misunderstanding has now been cleared up. You are not a respected member of this community, even by those who Surround you. I am no longer bound to "play nice" since I will not have any work nor need any working space from DC.

[Jordan T]

damn that sucks! this guy spent a pretty decent amount of money at your shop and you still cant get back to him, or even give him his property back? its probably on one of the shop cars. its funny when the only thing keeping a shop from being a truly nice shop, is the owner. didnt you guys run a s13 SR maf on a S14 SR, then couldnt figure out why the car wouldnt run right after 2 hours of looking at it? i also think i remember the same car going to xat and getting the problem solved for like $100 and under 10 minutes. this amongst many other things is why i dont recommend DC.

cody's still cool though.

[pheobo]

damn that sucks! this guy spent a pretty decent amount of money at your shop and you still cant get back to him, or even give him his property back? its probably on one of the shop cars. its funny when the only thing keeping a shop from being a truly nice shop, is the owner. didnt you guys run a s13 SR maf on a S14 SR, then couldnt figure out why the car wouldnt run right after 2 hours of looking at it? i also think i remember the same car going to xat and getting the problem solved for like $100 and under 10 minutes. this amongst many other things is why i dont recommend DC.

cody's still cool though.

Nothing to do with taking a while to figure something out. Not even anything to do with not being THE expert on a specific setup or CAR. Simply to do with consistently promising something and it not happening. The tech's are good guys. Mike is a great fabricator. Chris does good body / Paint work.

Ian, well... he simply lies.

[SpottedMango]

I've had no time quite frankly to deal with all this at the moment. So, as for not clearing things up, that's my fault for not replying sooner. You can assume anything you need to and if it comes down to assumption, please do not post here on the forums. We don't have to go into who got screwed and what not, I think everyone that's involved knows who was taken care off. As for your car not getting done, well, again, I'd really think through on who helped you the most when your car was here and who dropped the ball the most. Also remember that you and a couple of others mainly worked on your vehicle, because that's what you had requested. You have not said a single word about all the electrical issues, etc. I will leave it at that, period.

It is not professional to come into a shop's forum and post and I quote, "The car will be having some changes and upgrades done in about month at Brotherz Racing along with some more tunning...". Personally I feel this was done to instigate, correct me if I am wrong. In any event, that was the reason the thread were locked. Your throttle body is here in my possession and unless I tried to lie about not having it, I am not sure how you got 'screw'?

[Jordan T]

well seeing that brotherz actually has a dyno and in house tuner i think its only fair that that portion of the car would get finished up at brotherz. the final set up/tune is the longest and hardest process when building, do you think he really wants to drag his car back and forth from shop to shop to finish it when brotherz is more than qualified to do the rest?

i never once saw that car sporting "brotherz" decals, only DC.

[manifoldmike]

thanks for the props on the fab work. deals get broke pretty easy especailly if you calling out other shops for work to be done. you also mentioned that we don't tune, however you never made an attempt to contact us about tuning (which we have a couple of tuners that can handle your car). you are correct by saying we don't have a dyno, however that hasn't been an issue in the past.

any problems associated with the work done on the car can be associated to a number of individuals including yourself. i'm not pointing fingers and thats not the intention, i'm just stating the car has passed hands quite a few time.

for the general publics info, while daniel has spent a bunch of money with us, everything that was done the to car was highly discounted because of the sponsorship agreement.

breaking contract doesn't mean that we won't work on the car or that we don't like daniel. it means that the previous deal on parts and labor is out the window.

as far as your throttle body goes, we have it and will send it. if you can't reach ian with an email or pm, feel free to send the address to me. my email = mikey@drivenconcepts.net

calling out problems with a shop over the internet of the public to see isn't the best way to get problems solved in my opinion. call the shop, email, pm or whatever in private. if you can't reach the primary person your trying to talk to, there is about 10 other people here that can relay a message.

[SpottedMango]

Ummm, Daniel's overseas, hard to just hand back a throttle body.

If you have a problem with me personally, hit me up. Now, your example of a nice shop is being held back is due to the owner, while using the example that we used a s13 SR maf on a s14 SR swap. That's really carries the weight that I am also twisting my techs on how to trouble shoot vehicles and that makes me the downfall. How does that work?

Now, I leave ALL posts visible to the community. It is hard to please each and every customer. If you want to get into the whole integrity of this company and how we operate, you should concentrate on the companies that have screwed many people over and have not taken any actions towards making things right and or to those shops that have shop forums that delete each and every negative thread, in order to give the sense that they are high and mighty.

We have NOTHING to hide, everything's public, the most we do is lock the thread once the point's been made. I can just ask well delete everything negative that's said, but there's really no point. This is not the purpose of a shop forum. Now, if you have nothing better to say, do me a favor and stay out. And when the next time I IM you to see why you have something against me, don't tell me that we are cool.

damn that sucks! this guy spent a pretty decent amount of money at your shop and you still cant get back to him, or even give him his property back? its probably on one of the shop cars. its funny when the only thing keeping a shop from being a truly nice shop, is the owner. didnt you guys run a s13 SR maf on a S14 SR, then couldnt figure out why the car wouldnt run right after 2 hours of looking at it? i also think i remember the same car going to xat and getting the problem solved for like $100 and under 10 minutes. this amongst many other things is why i dont recommend DC.

cody's still cool though.

[manifoldmike]

well seeing that brotherz actually has a dyno and in house tuner i think its only fair that that portion of the car would get finished up at brotherz. the final set up/tune is the longest and hardest process when building, do you think he really wants to drag his car back and forth from shop to shop to finish it when brotherz is more than qualified to do the rest?

i never once saw that car sporting "brotherz" decals, only DC.

i have to disagree. tuning on this project is about 5% of the build. i personally have 3 tuners that can come and tune this car on a couple days notice. there is also 10 dynos in this area that are more then happy to rent thier dynos for a day.

finishing a car and tuning a car is completely different. tuners, tune cars, not work on them.

as far as your comments about mafs in the past. all shops have issues and we've had our fair share, but to bring up somthing as stupid as a maf wiring problem just because someone else has had a completely different problem is pretty childish.

we allow complaints on our forum because we are honest, however ragging on us just because someone else is doesn't help the situation. people like you get threads deleted and ulitmatley make it harder for customers with problems to voice their opinions.

[SpottedMango]

To make it even clearer, Daniel, I personally have NOTHING against you. Just the comment you made, I didn't think it was appropriate. Let's all grow up a little and if there's something you need, you are more then welcome to call, e-mail, or even speak to Mike or Antonio (foremen of the shop). They are more then capable to take care of anything you need. For the record, I have NOT gotten any messages from you (that don't say much if the messages are not passed to me), no e-mails, or other form of communication other then that post on the thread.

[pheobo]

I've had no time quite frankly to deal with all this at the moment. So, as for not clearing things up, that's my fault for not replying sooner. You can assume anything you need to and if it comes down to assumption, please do not post here on the forums. We don't have to go into who got screwed and what not, I think everyone that's involved knows who was taken care off. As for your car not getting done, well, again, I'd really think through on who helped you the most when your car was here and who dropped the ball the most. Also remember that you and a couple of others mainly worked on your vehicle, because that's what you had requested. You have not said a single word about all the electrical issues, etc. I will leave it at that, period.

It is not professional to come into a shop's forum and post and I quote, "The car will be having some changes and upgrades done in about month at Brotherz Racing along with some more tunning...". Personally I feel this was done to instigate, correct me if I am wrong. In any event, that was the reason the thread were locked. Your throttle body is here in my possession and unless I tried to lie about not having it, I am not sure how you got 'screw'?

You had time to answer this thread.... this would have been a good start to PM's.

I was not instigating. On the contrary, as you know they are having a Dyno day at Brotherz. I am not in town. The upgrade would have made this "DC" car the highest HP car there period... I think that would have been good for you.

The original upgrade that was going to do before this started? A stiffer spring to hold more boost. I've since then decided to have other work done since it was obvious to me you have no interest in continuing our relationship.

It could have been cleared up with a little respect.

I say I got screwed because you have not contacted me after I've left a couple messages and even mentioned it here on your professional shop forum, with a response from you saying you would get back to me. This while you had some of my stuff... I even offered to pay for shipping if you would take the time to put it in a box and UPS it. Never mind you live 5 minutes from me.

As for assumptions, they can sometimes be incorrect. I agree that stating them in public and attempting to misrepresent something is not a good thing. Fortunately, I stated that I assumed certain things. I of course, as always will swallow my pride and correct my assumption if I'm wrong.

As for the throttle body. Can I have someone swing by and pick it up? Would you have a problem if this someone is not a "DC" fan?

[pheobo]

This should stay open until I have time to reply to the points made by everyone.

I have always respected that Ian can take a whooping. When he does screw up he's always given me a chance to vent. I will be responding now.

[SpottedMango]

You have my cell phone number, if there's a problem, CALL ME!

I've replied to what I see important. Me replying to you and to any other threads has been slow, you can see that if you take a brief look. Since our old days with you being here with us, there now are a set of chain of command. They are here to take care of problems that I can't, whether I have other things to take care off, or just out of the office.

I can ship it, you can send anyone you like, it's all not a problem for me. You, out of anyone, know the real story to a lot of things, calling me a lier kinda gets to me, when I've trusted you as a friend and let you know on things that I didn't need to.

All in all, you helped us to get into the Supra market, no doubt, can't complain. Thank you, you've also overlooked a lot of the learning curves we've had. Please also keep in mind that a lot of the problems were caused by the 'not a DC fan' person you speak off.

I will leave it at this.

I apologize for not replying soon, but if you knew the reason why I have not had time, I think you'd be proud........maybe.

[SpottedMango]

FOR THE RECORD -

This has NOTHING to do with Brotherz Racing. They are not involved, the name was brought up in a thread.

[pheobo]

thanks for the props on the fab work. deals get broke pretty easy especailly if you calling out other shops for work to be done. you also mentioned that we don't tune, however you never made an attempt to contact us about tuning (which we have a couple of tuners that can handle your car). you are correct by saying we don't have a dyno, however that hasn't been an issue in the past.
I did not mention DC does not tune. It was clear from the beginning that I have my own tuners. [/Quote]


any problems associated with the work done on the car can be associated to a number of individuals including yourself. i'm not pointing fingers and thats not the intention, i'm just stating the car has passed hands quite a few time.


This is true. I have never stated that the work done at DC was not up to par. We had our fair share of pain... some of it mine, some of it to the techs at DC involved. As I've mentioned, this is not about work done on the car.

Those that have read my thread, know that DC went back and fixed a couple things that went wrong... this can happen at any shop, and in this case there have been no public complaints by me about it.



for the general publics info, while daniel has spent a bunch of money with us, everything that was done the to car was highly discounted because of the sponsorship agreement.

Negative... I have spent a bunch of money with you guys and have even given and received great deals. I have received a "normal" discount. The major benefit always was the AMAZING trust and the fact I had keys to the shop. Came and went as needed to work on the car... used electricity after hours to work on the car... access to tools / lifts and so on. :-)




breaking contract doesn't mean that we won't work on the car or that we don't like daniel. it means that the previous deal on parts and labor is out the window.

You are out of line as you were not part of the "contract" agreement. The details you are stating aren't even the important part of the agreement...



as far as your throttle body goes, we have it and will send it. if you can't reach ian with an email or pm, feel free to send the address to me. my email = mikey@drivenconcepts.net

calling out problems with a shop over the internet of the public to see isn't the best way to get problems solved in my opinion. call the shop, email, pm or whatever in private. if you can't reach the primary person your trying to talk to, there is about 10 other people here that can relay a message.

Negative. You are stating I called out a shop when I did not. I called out a misunderstanding with someone who made it very public that there was such misunderstanding occurring. My response was within the same media and form used by that misunderstanding and a response was promised on that same media. A record should remain that no response was given.

Learn from Ian and Step up. I've always respected this fact. His first words was taking responsibility for not having replied. That has always been the reason I felt we can work things out. Because he has not been Shady with me... especially not in public.

[pheobo]

FOR THE RECORD -

This has NOTHING to do with Brotherz Racing. They are not involved, the name was brought up in a thread.

Agreed...

[pheobo]

i have to disagree. tuning on this project is about 5% of the build. i personally have 3 tuners that can come and tune this car on a couple days notice. there is also 10 dynos in this area that are more then happy to rent thier dynos for a day.

finishing a car and tuning a car is completely different. tuners, tune cars, not work on them.

as far as your comments about mafs in the past. all shops have issues and we've had our fair share, but to bring up somthing as stupid as a maf wiring problem just because someone else has had a completely different problem is pretty childish.

we allow complaints on our forum because we are honest, however ragging on us just because someone else is doesn't help the situation. people like you get threads deleted and ulitmatley make it harder for customers with problems to voice their opinions.

Sorry, I disagree. As stated tunning was never going to go through DC. A tune is THE most important aspect of a build. The tune can make everything happen all over again.

Enough on the tune as this is also not the point of this thread.

[SpottedMango]

The reason why threads gets locked in the DC forum is if it gets out of hand. I think we are all responsible enough for this thread to stay open. I will delete only the unnecessary posts.

This should stay open until I have time to reply to the points made by everyone.

[pheobo]

To make it even clearer, Daniel, I personally have NOTHING against you. Just the comment you made, I didn't think it was appropriate. Let's all grow up a little and if there's something you need, you are more then welcome to call, e-mail, or even speak to Mike or Antonio (foremen of the shop). They are more then capable to take care of anything you need. For the record, I have NOT gotten any messages from you (that don't say much if the messages are not passed to me), no e-mails, or other form of communication other then that post on the thread.

The one form of communication you did respond to was the forums. The thread in which I stated there was an obvious misunderstanding and you stated you would get back to me. Sorry, I'm not one of these kids that lives at home and has time to chase down something that is promised to me... especially on a professional public forum.

We should all grow up and take care of our responsibilities... agreed.

[SpottedMango]

I think what Mike is trying to get at is the fact that we have hooked up and contracted a few excellent tuners. So, not having a dyno will not limit us, as there are many dynos in the area that we can sublet.

Sorry, I disagree. As stated tunning was never going to go through DC. A tune is THE most important aspect of a build. The tune can make everything happen all over again.

Enough on the tune as this is also not the point of this thread.

[pheobo]

You have my cell phone number, if there's a problem, CALL ME!

Actually I don't have it anymore.


I've replied to what I see important. Me replying to you and to any other threads has been slow, you can see that if you take a brief look. Since our old days with you being here with us, there now are a set of chain of command. They are here to take care of problems that I can't, whether I have other things to take care off, or just out of the office.

I can ship it, you can send anyone you like, it's all not a problem for me. You, out of anyone, know the real story to a lot of things, calling me a lier kinda gets to me, when I've trusted you as a friend and let you know on things that I didn't need to.

All in all, you helped us to get into the Supra market, no doubt, can't complain. Thank you, you've also overlooked a lot of the learning curves we've had. Please also keep in mind that a lot of the problems were caused by the 'not a DC fan' person you speak off.

And myself...


I will leave it at this.

I apologize for not replying soon, but if you knew the reason why I have not had time, I think you'd be proud........maybe.

This could have easily been handled privately with a simple PM with your first paragraph to the response in this thread.

[SpottedMango]

The thread was the only form that was brought up to my attention. I am the same way, I use to be on TR quite a bit, but with business picking up and other personal reasons, I've had very little time to post. Not only on TR, but all other forums.

The one form of communication you did respond to was the forums. The thread in which I stated there was an obvious misunderstanding and you stated you would get back to me. Sorry, I'm not one of these kids that lives at home and has time to chase down something that is promised to me... especially on a professional public forum.

We should all grow up and take care of our responsibilities... agreed.

[pheobo]

I think what Mike is trying to get at is the fact that we have hooked up and contracted a few excellent tuners. So, not having a dyno will not limit us, as there are many dynos in the area that we can sublet.

Understood. But there are four-five tuners that I would trust with my car at this time. I understand DC has tunning capabilities now, but tuning was never part of the deal.

[pheobo]

The thread was the only form that was brought up to my attention. I am the same way, I use to be on TR quite a bit, but with business picking up and other personal reasons, I've had very little time to post. Not only on TR, but all other forums.

Allow me to jog your memory... it would have taken less then a minute to send me a PM when you locked this:
http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/driven-concepts/475871-misunderstanding.html

That was me being professional, respectful and giving you the benefit of the doubt.

[pheobo]

This will be my final post in this thread before taking it private:

writing now.

[manifoldmike]

maybe to customers, tuning is the most important part, however as a builder all parts are important.

tuners take the glory and i'll give you that, but its not a huge concern in my mind. there are tons of capable tuners that will "finish" a car no problem. usually most people try to get the most compitent while trying to save money. obviously we like to build a relation ship with tuners and try to get the best bang for the buck, but when it comes down to it, if we have to pay more to get a good tune we will.

all of our cars are usually big, expensive builds and we don't pick tuners out of the air. most tuners we have a close relationship with and even before they touch a car they have proved themselves with experience, portfolios and hands on experience.

i'm not refering to brothers not being sub-par, in fact they know what they are doing.

the problem comes up when a contracted car goes to another shop.

while your car may have not been subject to us tuning it (which i wasn't aware of, my mistake), stating that another shop will do work is kind of a no-no in my book.

[back2Nissan]

Holy shit batman ........




Has anyone seen the price of a gallon of gas lately?? ;)
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