No more G-ville events! [Archive]

w0rd

01-11-2003, 03:23 PM

:verysad:

from eec.com...
"The new Solo Chair feels that a monetary loss at GIR means no more GIR events, even if those losses are offset by gains at FSF. Express your feelings about this to Garry Poindexter ( mailto:pylonracer99@att.net ), but please do so in an intelligent and courteous way! "

Maybe they can just raise the entry fees or do some advertising to get more people out there. I don't understand why we only get 50 drivers at the g-ville events now. :?

edit: This guy didn't even attend a west coast event last year. I guess that is how it would be easy for him to drop our best venue. :x

PseudoRealityX

01-11-2003, 07:02 PM

email sent and post made on CFR yahoo group.

0HP930

01-11-2003, 07:15 PM

Hmm, 50 X $25 = $1250.

Just how much is the insurance and track rental setting us back at GIR?

Damn cheap ass fuxor. The fact that this guy does not even attend events at GIR speaks volumes.

Lets hope that a little polite pressure from us regular SCCA folk correct this issue.

GIR is one of the few locations I am willing to travel 150 miles to get to.

:x

PseudoRealityX

01-11-2003, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by "400HP930"

Hmm, 50 X $25 = $1250.

Just how much is the insurance and track rental setting us back at GIR?

More than the number you just calculated;)

From their site.. http://gainesvilleraceway.com/test_track.html

Its at least 1500 not including insurance.

w0rd

01-11-2003, 08:24 PM

Plus I heard Mingrey say that we get FSF for next to nothing.
So most of that goes straight to profit.

Bob22b

01-11-2003, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by "w0rd"

:verysad:

from eec.com...
"The new Solo Chair feels that a monetary loss at GIR means no more GIR events, even if those losses are offset by gains at FSF. Express your feelings about this to Garry Poindexter ( mailto:pylonracer99@att.net ), but please do so in an intelligent and courteous way! "

Maybe they can just raise the entry fees or do some advertising to get more people out there. I don't understand why we only get 50 drivers at the g-ville events now. :?

edit: This guy didn't even attend a west coast event last year. I guess that is how it would be easy for him to drop our best venue. :x

Cool last name

Leonard

01-11-2003, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by "w0rd"

Plus I heard Mingrey say that we get FSF for next to nothing.
So most of that goes straight to profit.

I don't know the numbers for sure, so I'm not going to post an exact figure, but IIRC, GIR is > 5 times more expensive than FSF for the weekend.

Leonard

01-11-2003, 10:09 PM

Whether we like it or not, this boils down to a monetary issue. I can understand Garry's desire to not have GIR events given those large of loses. As Solo 2 chair, he's responsible for ensuring the budget is met. However, I don't think that not having GIR events is the right solution. I do think we need to take a good look at why the events have been so flat as of late and fix the issues so we can still keep using it.

That said, let's get a good discussion going about WHY GIR events aren't working. I'm hoping that we can come up with a good plan to lobby Garry with so we can keep having events there.

The last couple of events we had at FSF last fall were HUGE! (like 90 people).

The last event at GIR, we were lucky if we had 50 people total for the weekend (saturday PLUS sunday). GIR events used to have turnout of well over 50 people/day.

Where did everybody go?

Is the distance from Tampa just too far to justify going?

One of the issues I personally have is how far away GIR is. I typically only drive up for one day because I really don't want to spend money on a hotel. And it's hard for me to justify driving up both days.

What about only having an event on Saturday or Sunday instead of both? I think we'd still get a similar total turnout, but it would be on one day rather than spread out over two days. If the event were only one day, would any of you be more inclined to attend it?

0HP930

01-11-2003, 11:04 PM

Lets not forget that the weather and the hollidays put a big dent in the last few GIR events.

If bad weather and the hollidays kept FSF attendance down for a few events and caused temporary losses I'm pretty sure the powers that be would not concider closing down that event.

w0rd

01-12-2003, 12:15 AM

At the last GIR event we had 1 newbie. That is a killer.
It was Dec 14-15 though. I think finals week is the week
before that.

I think if we want to be successfull, we have to get new
people in and addicted like us.

I think later start times might encourage the East coasters to come.
Reg. closed at 8:45AM last event. :roll:

I think we should make G-ville a CFR Central event instead of west.
Or make CFR one big region. I am willing to drive to Palm Bay for one day.

mofugga

01-12-2003, 01:17 AM

having 2-3 autox's to choose from on the same weekend can put a damper on those going to GIR. some would rather drive ~20min than ~2hours. plan autox's better from region to region and not schedule a couple on the same weekends is my suggestion. see how it goes from there rather than immediately drop GIR without even trying to make the events work there.

PseudoRealityX

01-12-2003, 04:32 AM

Originally posted by "w0rd"

At the last GIR event we had 1 newbie. That is a killer.
It was Dec 14-15 though. I think finals week is the week
before that.

Hahaha, it sure wasnt.....i had to bolt out of Saturday's practice for a Computer final!!! It was the BEGINNING of finals week for UF.

0HP930

01-12-2003, 12:38 PM

I think this thread is making clear that GIR's problems are more related to schedulling than the location of the event itself.

Before mofugga mentioned it I had almost forgot that a couple of GIR events coincided with other auto-x events.

fastforward

01-12-2003, 05:42 PM

Advertising it might be an interesting option like someone pointed out. With so many people out there interested in racing, and not knowing where to turn...it might be worthwhile to spend a little money to make a lot more. The exposure would be good for the SCCA which in turn is good for us autocrossers. I might be able to help in the advertinsing department. I work at a TV station, and I am an idependant video producer as well. I would be more than willing to produce and shoot a SCCA commercial for next to nothing. I don't know...maybe I'm out in left field here. But, if attendance is down, something needs to be done to get it back up.
I would hate to loose GIR as well. Everytime I have raced there, I am reminded exactly why I love doing this so much! It would be a shame not to have an opportunity to race there again.

Lola56

01-12-2003, 07:38 PM

The following is from the new SOLO II Chairpersons, via the CFR West Admin Yahoo gorup:

We would like to inform everyone of what is happening with the GIR
events. First and foremost, we are not eliminating GIR as a site.
As Garry and I have taken over the Solo Chairpersons position, we
have found that some of the last races at the site have lost a lot of
money. We have been approached by executive members of the club who
are not happy with this. We have decided to form an advisory
committee with two people each from the West, East and Central
areas. We want to see what we can come up with that will allow us to
at least break even at GIR. We also want to discuss getting more
officials on the West Coast, so that a few people are not doing all
the work and not having any fun.

We will be having an advisory board meeting in February to discuss
these issues. In the INTERIM, we will not be having any events at
GIR. (This is what was originally told to Frank.)

Our hope is to have an event there again, possibly in March or
April.

We want to thank everyone for the ideas that they have sent to us
including increasing entry fees, trying to get GIR to lower the price
of admission, more timely advertising and anything else that you or
the advisory board can come up with.

The success of any program is dependent upon people volunteering. We
hope that you will step forward and help us make this program a
success.

Garry and Cheryl Poindexter
Solo II Co-Chairpersons

BIG_Truck_Driver

01-12-2003, 07:48 PM

If we could get some videos together like the one Aharon did from the autox he filmed along with some in car footage. put it together with some good music and distribute it on the web with links to the scca sites and the yahoo group, I think wthat would get some more people interested. I could see some later start times helping, but the later we start the later it will run, and most people don't want to stick around till 6pm.

BodyRollin'

01-12-2003, 09:28 PM

if i recall correctly GIR used to have BIG events but we took big losses at the last two events. I would directly attribute this to the weather I went to both because i love the sport wind snow rain or shine but some ppl are not nearly as hard core as I am (hell i used to go out on the stand up jetski in december/january in arkansas where temps dipped into the low teens) and just cannot stand the cold. Maybe i am just way off base but i do believe that until those last two we didnt take losses at g'ville events but just that the profits were not quite as much as FSF. you cannot expect to say "hey we run all year" and either A. not run all year or B. expect it to be perfect weather every year.

PseudoRealityX

01-12-2003, 09:44 PM

I just wish we had the "hardcore" members that some of the other regions Ive visited do...Its really too bad that autocross hasnt really become popular here like it has in many other parts of the country.

Leonard

01-13-2003, 12:47 AM

Weather was definitely an issue.

Scheduling conflicts were an issues as well, however there are FAR too many organizations in the area autocrossing for us to be able to avoid scheduling conflicts. (If you don't believe me, look at the calendars from all of these organizations and you'll see: SCCA(CFR & Buccaneer (Jacksonvile), Porsche Club, Sunriders, Gulfcoast autocrossers) . The bottom line is that you have to schedule an event sometime and you pick the best date that you can from the dates the track has available.

I don't know the financial details, but I believe that the majority of events at Gainesville have been losses. There's a LOT you guys don't even think about for the cost of an event.

Track Rental
Liability Insurance ( I think this comes out to like $7/ person -- DON"T quote me)
Port a Potty Rental
Truck gas/oil/maintenance (it blew out two tires on the way to Gainesville last time )
Registration Supplies (cards, armbands, waiver forms, window chalk)
Course Supplies (replacement cones, chalk for boxes, timing system repair supplies)

It all adds up.

Here's an example -- if you have 50 competitors @ GIR your insurance cost is 350.00. The track costs 1500.00. That comes out to 37.00/ person just to cover the cost of insurance and the track. If you have 85 people, that comes out to 595 for insurance and 1500 for the track or 2095 total. At 25.00 / person, that would leave 30.00 left over for all the other expenses. Still not enough.

I would say it would probably take 100 people to make a Gainesville event break even at the rates SCCA has been charging.

taka86fc

01-13-2003, 06:06 AM

SCCA disconts

jaball77

01-13-2003, 01:40 PM

I say give GIR another chance!

The last 2 events really got clobbered with the combination of the AWFUL weather, holiday schedules, etc. I, for one, will be going to EVERY GIR event in the future because it's SUCH an awesome site! I've learned MUCH more about myself and my car at the 2 GIR events than at all of the FSF events last year...

I think if people knew just how great a venue it is, we'd get more traffic at the events. I think some good publicity would be a good start.

So what are we gonna do in the mean time? What's up with Lakeland?

Maybe we could block off a section of the Westshore mall parking lot... They have some NICE new pavement over there :D

Leonard

01-13-2003, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by "jaball77"

I say give GIR another chance!

The last 2 events really got clobbered with the combination of the AWFUL weather, holiday schedules, etc. I, for one, will be going to EVERY GIR event in the future because it's SUCH an awesome site! I've learned MUCH more about myself and my car at the 2 GIR events than at all of the FSF events last year...

I think if people knew just how great a venue it is, we'd get more traffic at the events. I think some good publicity would be a good start.

So what are we gonna do in the mean time? What's up with Lakeland?

Maybe we could block off a section of the Westshore mall parking lot... They have some NICE new pavement over there :D

In all likelyhood, GIR will be kept as an event site. There has just been a hold put on all events for the time being. Lola56 posted the new Solo Co-Chair's message. It is very clear that there is still a good chance for future GIR events. It is also clear that the decision doesn't completely rest in the new chair's hands. We really need to be patient and wait until the advisory committee meets. Everybody really needs to give this a chance. I think alot of good things could come from it. And please, rest assured that there are alot of people who want to keep events at GIR and that they have been quite vocal about it.

As far as using a mall parking lot goes... it's really like playing russian roulette. You don't know how many cars are going to be in the lot and where they will be at when you show up on saturday morning.

As far as publicity goes, that's been an issue. I'm not talking about radio or flyers, but just announcing the event a reasonable amount of time in advance. We haven't been getting more than 2 weeks advance notice for alot of events recently and that hurts turnout. There is also a fine line there. If you announce it too far ahead, you'll wind up with more people than you can handle. If you recall the last two FSF events last season, one of them had a novice class of 50 cars. The event staff wasn't ready to handle that large of a group of novi. We pulled it off fairly smoothly (with the exception of timing glitches which I believe have been resolved).

Everybody keep your suggestions and ideas coming.

PseudoRealityX

01-13-2003, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by "taka86fc"

SCCA disconts

That's not going to bring in MORE money, which is the issue.

jaball77

01-13-2003, 08:18 PM

I think he meant GIR giving us a break on the cost of the track...

I say we invest in bolt cutters and night vision goggles and go have our fun anyway :D

fastforward

01-14-2003, 01:45 AM

Advertising...Hmmmm....here is a thought:
Maybe I'm way off here...but its a thought nonetheless.

Isn't the SCCA a non-profit organization? It's not technically a business right? If that's the case, SCCA could advertise that autocrossing is a safe alternative to illegal streetracing perhaps, or a safe way to learn how to drive your car in adverse situations...with a URL link to event listings at the end of the spot. The television commercial could be made in the form of a PSA (Public Service Announcement.) Airing PSA's on local TV stations and cable outlets is free because it provides a community service and allows stations to meet their quota of federally mandated public service. The only cost involved is producing the spot. I can help there. I own my own broadcast quality TV equipment. And, I have the ability to do shoot incar footage. I would be willing to help for free...providing that any small business expenses be covered. $100 bucks or so for tape and duplication.

I know thats not really gonna help us with the GIR situation right away, but its food for thought.

I did like the idea of only renting GIR for 1 day instead of 2 on a weekend. This would seem to save money on track rental. Also...is it possible the region incharge that oversees GIR could coordinate something with the other race organizations out there? Possibly, invite PCA or Martin SportsCar Club of Orlando to attend a GIR event to help split the cost? These other smaller organizations might not otherwise be able to afford GIR, but along with the SCCA's they could. And they could help absorb the cost. I don't really know what the hell I'm talking about I'm sure there is more to it then that, but maybe it could help.

Leonard

01-14-2003, 10:10 AM

The problem we've had with 'advertising' has been that the events have been officially scheduled (paperwork completed and such) less than two weeks prior to the event. Additionally, they conflicted with large events at other sites (that were scheduled well in advance).

The majority of people who travel > 1 hour plan to go to these events more than two weeks out and because we had nothing on our calendar, they made other plans.

As far as mass advertising, it's an interesting thought. I see several problems.

1. We aren't equipped to handle more than about 50 novices. We barely have enough people who currently can run the critical positions (registration, timing, safety stewards). We had one FSF event with 50 novices and pulled it off (barely). But there aren't currently enough people to run the event with that many new people asking a million questions. Plus, we're in kind of short supply on the west coast for Safety Stewards. With a lot of novices we'd need alot of extra eyes out there. Also, we'd need a good turnout of experienced autocrossers to make sure that we didn't have any worker stations with only novices.

2. We would be inviting a demographic that could cause us issues. We're talking about alot of people who do alot of stupid shit. Sometimes our relationship with the owners of the sites is delicate and a couple of idiots having a burnout contest in the paddock area could cause us to not be invited back.

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I do like the concept of the video. I think it would be great to put together a novice instructional video showing what goes on at an event. Everything from preparations you would take before arriving (putting air in the tires and emptying your car out), things that take place there -- signing the waiver at the gate, registration, tech, novice walkthrough, drivers meeting, worker assignments, your runs and awards.

That could be REALLY cool. And we could convert it to MPEG or something like that and put it on the site.....?

BodyRollin'

01-14-2003, 01:58 PM

i dont think burnout comps would be an issue that is why ppl are at the track so they can get away from that gay ass street ricing mentality i think that if it came down to it there would be more ppl willing to sacrifice a little timne and effort to step up and help with the planning/running of these events than rather see the place be canceled as a venue ( i know i would) bottom line gainesville is an amazing site and would suck to lose. because then the only variety track in CFR would be palm bay and that is a pretty far drive and although it has variety it is a small surface. ft. meyers runs the same slaloam every time (by slaloam i mean course because that is all it is) FSF is VERY limited on what you can do with the area. and those aside from palm bay are the only places around that we race. but what about the st pete local that the miata club runs on.....why cant cfr get ahold of that site as well???? SURELY THERE ARE PLACES THAT WE ARENT USING THAT CAN BE IF G'VILLE GETS OUSTED

138MustangGT

01-14-2003, 02:36 PM

Sorry I haven't been online at TR in a while.

But, I do know the issues about Gainesville Raceway.

Gary is crazy if he thinks we have manpower troubles at GR. There is an AWESOME local contingent who show up and make sure those events go smoothly. For some positions I have multiple people who can assist. In the meanwhile we are training people for those positions that are yet undermanned (ie: timing & scoring, and registration).

We get GR at a set price for the weekend which is especially low. Insurance comes at a rate which counts per driver per weekend. One driver on sat& sun is one driver, one driver sat and another driver sun is two, so you see how the insurance adds up, there are only a few people who make a weekend out of the event.

ALSO, the reason the last 2002 event lost money was because we had DECIDED it would. There was a surplus from BOTH the SPRING GR events and the FSF events, so we decided to be nice.

PLEASE NOTE: TO MY KNOWLEDGE, GR MADE MONEY IN THE SPRING OF 2002!!!!

The problems with the event site ARE:
1-kinda far (this is combatted by the wonderful track surface)
2-POOR SCHEDULING, GR events have been pre-empted by events at VCC & GCAC;BUT VCC and GIR are both considered CENTRAL events and should never be run simultaneously. Alas, some things cannot be avoided.
Also, the FL State Championships have been held just a week prior to one of the GR events. Just bad timing.
3-weather... GR is close enough to drive to and from in a day... but only if conditions are good. No one is willing to drive 120miles to stand in the rain or freezing wind. Call it an ACT OF GOD. Rain however, made GR one of the best sites, we will run until the safety steward cannot see the cars... GR stays sticky regardless of wetness.
4-poor pre-planning... for some reason we just couldn't get an event flyer out in time for GR events. No one knew they were happening.

THIS CAN BE FIXED BY YOU!. When you hear of an event, go to all of your boards you are members of and POST IT. LINK IT TO THE EVENT FLYER AND GO GO GO!!!

I remember having events with over 110 people, the average participation last Spring was over 85 per day (70s on SAT, and over 100 on SUN sometimes)

I'm also dissappointed in that Gary would not come to any of our events. He MIGHT have been at the Divisional, but I just don't remember... and I saw almost everyone.

I'm going to write up MY report on how and why Gainesville. OH, and I haven't been notified about any advisory committee, even though I was event chairman for nearly every event ran at GR under CFR supervision. Come on, someone MIGHT just know what's going on with a site when they're the first person there and the last to leave at every event for a year.

I don't forsee the future of GR being too sunny. I wonder what the rest of CFR will look like in 3 yrs.

Leonard

01-14-2003, 04:46 PM

Shawn,

Your comments would make sense if you had read Garry & Cheryl's original message to the cfrwest list, but you didn't. The decision was not made by them, it was made by (I believe the BOG). It's great that we made extra money at FSF and GIR spring events, but if we made a decision to spend money in that manner, it is irresponsible. Particularly now, when we need a new laptop for CFR West and the east coast needs a new engine for the truck. It's kind of hard to ask for money when we've apparently just blown our wad. And now we want them to let us have more events at a site that now has a recent history of losing money.

Lola56

01-14-2003, 08:45 PM

!. Something similar happened to the CFR Regional race program two years ago, when suddenly the race program was bleeding money holding regional road races. The Board of Governors (BOG) stepped right in, leaned on the Race Board Chairman, who oversees the road racing program, and over reacted in attempting to solve the problem. Sound familiar? Once they looked into the situation, a few small changes were made and everything went back to normal.

2. Shawn, Garry did not attend the Divisional, and to my knowledge he has not attended anything other than east coast events, and the central events, which he chairs. They were the chair for last years Sebring event.

3. District Governors (Executive Committe members included) seldom, if ever, attend SOLO events. One who has is Ron Alcorns (governor for the Gainesville area), who has codriven with me. Garry has been the Governor for his district in the Melbourne area.

4. It is my opinion that the BOG is happy the Garry is SOLO Chair, as they are very familiar with him, and he has made money with the east coast series. Garry got the BOG to front him $10,000 two years ago to acquire a truck and all the equipment to run events for the east coast. He was able to make enough with the east and central events to repay that $10,000 in one year.

5. Do not be mislead, There are no enemies of us on the west coast, those who run at GIR, or thise who prefer to do SOLO events instead of road racing. There is no us versus them attitude at all. This idea surfaces from time to time and it is false. The BOG has been most cooperative to the SOLO program since its inception in 1980. I know, as I was on the BOG in 1980 when Howard Duncan apporached CFR to begin the SOLO progarm, and I became a charter member of the CFR SOLO Board.

7. With regards to advertising, our events are non spectator events, so we must be very careful in making sure that we are recuiting participants for the event, and not recruiting any kind of spectators. The insurance we are required to have for each event (at a cost of $5.00 each driver) is only for non spectator events. It costs much more for a spectator event.

8. I believe that CFR is a not-for-profit organization. Technically, that means that no member of the club is to profit from the club. CFR is not a charity type of non profit organization. Fastforward, you have a great idea, and any type of video you could produce would be very valuable to the SOLO community. At the 24 hours of Daytona and the 12 hour Sebring race, volunteers man a CFR-SCCA information booth to inform people of wht the club does. The folks manning these booths have been crying for a good video to show what the SOLO program is all about.

When the dust settles, we will all be a little bit better off, and will have events at GIR, and possibly, at other interesting venues.

Leonard

01-14-2003, 09:13 PM

Dave,

As always your insight is greatly appreciated.

And for those of you who haven't had the opportunity to meet Dave, he's been racing longer than quite a few of us have been alive. He's also one of the friendliest people you'll ever meet at an autocross and has some of the coolest cars you'll see locally.... He's got lots of great stories too....

PseudoRealityX

01-14-2003, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by "MinGreyCobra"

Dave,

As always your insight is greatly appreciated.

And for those of you who haven't had the opportunity to meet Dave, he's been racing longer than quite a few of us have been alive. He's also one of the friendliest people you'll ever meet at an autocross and has some of the coolest cars you'll see locally.... He's got lots of great stories too....

I agree 110% there. Dave is a GREAT guy!

fastforward

01-15-2003, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by "Lola56"

!.
8. I believe that CFR is a not-for-profit organization. Technically, that means that no member of the club is to profit from the club. CFR is not a charity type of non profit organization. Fastforward, you have a great idea, and any type of video you could produce would be very valuable to the SOLO community. At the 24 hours of Daytona and the 12 hour Sebring race, volunteers man a CFR-SCCA information booth to inform people of wht the club does. The folks manning these booths have been crying for a good video to show what the SOLO program is all about.

When the dust settles, we will all be a little bit better off, and will have events at GIR, and possibly, at other interesting venues.

Lola56...I'd be more than happy to produce any kind of video for the CFR. It would be my pleasure. I'd be happy to help out.
Also, Leonard's idea (think thats who said it) of creating sort of a "newbies guide to autocross" is a great idea too. Or perhaps a "Experts autocross techniques starring Danny Sheilds" for example, could be made and sold at events to raise some additional money. Just a thought.

Televsion advertising could certainly help SCCA generate more active participation. The commercial would also help show what the organization is all about. To promote it as a safe, responsible, exciting way to experience the joys of performance car ownership.
It could be a general spot that just explains what Solo racing and the SCCA is. The end graphic could have a phone number or a website address to find out more information. Keep the spot handy and a few weeks before a big event have local stations run the ad. The website can display the schedule and rules of participation. There, possible attendies could play streaming video or download clips that explain solo events in much more detail.

Lastly....as far as local venues are concerned, has anyone ever inquired about the old Eastlake Mall lot? The mall is locted on 56th street near Hillsborough Ave. Its now a Business complex, as far as I know the lots are empty on weekends. The property has a decent surface, and the lot has many great winding, rolling access lanes that would work great integrated into a course. If we could contact the center's management they might be interested in making a few extra bucks on the weekend. If it would work, it would be a great central location!
Here is another thought...a more indepth video showcasing solo racing and its mature participants to give to owners of facilities we would like to race at, could help seal a deal with land owners/management for interesting venues.

Okay thats all......if I can help in any of the previous ways, anyone with any knowledge or authority in these matters please let me know.

-Ben email: grommitdog@hotmail.com

BodyRollin'

01-15-2003, 09:21 AM

are you talking about the .net business complex?

Lola56

01-15-2003, 12:15 PM

fastforward

You are right about getting exposure to SCCA. Over the years, it has been suggested that SCCA stands for the Secret Car Club of America. As active as this region is, with holding a very active road racing program, a very active SOLO program, and providing workers for the Pro racing events in the area, the region really needs more members to assist in all these events.

Think about the Pro events, 24 hr Daytona, 12 hr Sebring, the new St Pete race, the Paul Revere race in July, HSR Finale' / Daytona, Grand Am Finale' / Daytona, speedfest at Sebring, and there are several other special events that need corner workers. The membership tents that CFR has at these events can help with exposure to what we do. In addition, maybe the tracks will allow a couple of cars be on display at the membership tent.

Lets keep the good ideas flowing.

Leonard

01-15-2003, 01:36 PM

Dave,

While we're on the subject, what is required to be a corner worker at some of those events. i can imagine it's a bit of work, but I'd imagine the view of what's going on would be well worth it....

Lola56

01-15-2003, 03:50 PM

Leonard

Any one who would like to do corner work at a Pro event should contact Bob Sager. He is the Equipment Chief and the Flagging Chief. Bob is at 23 Norte Dame St, Lake Placid, FL 33852. Phone is 863-465-0065. And Bob is a pretty cool guy.

One must be an SCCA member to work a Pro event. Usually, Bob would like to see some one work a couple of regional road races before they work any of the Pro events. One can get a workers license through Bob. If there is alot of people wanting to work a Pro event, more than what is needed, preference is given to those who support the regional race program. I have only worked two Pro events since I gave up the position of Chief of Communications in 1983. That is when I decided to devote my time to SOLO. I'm sure things are different than when I was very active in the race program.

Usually, corner workers wear white coveralls, or a white shirt and white pants.

No doubt about it, it is a rush to attend the Pro races. Workers work these events in shifts, so you have time off to enjoy the race. The best part is that workers get credentials that give them access to almost anywhere in the track, like the pits, paddock, garage, etc. for free!!!!!! One cannot buy credentials like these. One cannot get any closer to the action.

By the way, thanks to you and Jesse for the kind words.

I hope this answers some of the questions.

Dave

138MustangGT

01-16-2003, 07:02 PM

I concede all the above. I will make sure that the advisory committee knows everything that I know.

Once I am stable in the area again, I will start out as someone's ASST District Gov. and move from there.

Leonard, I don't have time to check the CFR west listserv. Yahoo! groups are too annoying to pillage though trying to follow the conversation of the people whom I'd like to lsiten to. The threads span 3 pages, and dont even fall in the form of a thread. I understand there is nothing better, but when I connect by dial-up and it take 40 seconds per page to load, I just can't take the time to do it right now. I've got more important things to do. And I never knew garry had posted anything there in the first place. oh well.

again I will say that Gville needs to be kept as a Spring site, everyone is willing to travel in the spring.
Summers at FSF are great because of the shade and the cheap cost.
I think falls at lakeland Center would be great due to the centrality of the location, not TOO far to travel and hopefully the site will be pretty cheap.

AND NO ONE NEEDS TO GET ALL HUFFY ABOUT NOT HAVING GR RIGHT NOW... there aren't any usable event dates open. none at all. there were only like 2 dates period OPEN and they just won't fly anyhow, even if the BOG hadn't put a hold on GR.

have fun everyone, see you at the... message board, since we aren't racing.