what the @#@##!!!

[MADdstang]

this past weekend my wife and i weny to the palm bay event.well in the weeeeeee hours in the morning i forgot to bring my lug wrench :oops: .after asking a couple people if they had a lug wrench i figured it would just be easier to change classes. so i went to timing and was told that i could not be entered in sts because my car has a lsd and i would have to run in stx(which i later found out was crap) :evil: .the guy that told me this was the only one in stx. so after a little more research at eec.com/racing under the results i found that dat nyugen was running in sts and stx and it looks like depending on whos racing what class he runs. does anyone know who i can contact to switch our times to sts? or should this just be considered a lesson learned? thanks for any help. :monkspank:

[LogicalRetard]

Man what a LOOOSEERRRRR you are!!! Haha, suckas!!!! J/K. I'd say jsut stand outside Aerospace and picket...that'll make it alllll go away! :D

[Leonard]

The solo 2 rulebook clearly states that it is the participant's responsibility to determine their class. I doubt they'll change it, so I'd just call it a lesson learned.

[MADdstang]

yeah i determined i was in sts, and he said no your going to be in stx :?
so are there any rules about lying? :deal:


ohhh and retard what the hell ru u talking about ahhh........ hello?

[Leonard]

Really, the only thing you can do is know the rules and own a copy of the rule book (it's like 15 or 20 bucks). Then when someone tries to feed you a line of BS, you whip it out and smack em over the head.

[BodyRollin']

if anyone wants a copy of the '02 SCCA rule book i have a cd rom with the entire rule book in an adobe acrobat format. so if you want one i can get you one if you give me a blank CD to burn it to.

[0HP930]

Originally posted by "BodyRollin'"

if anyone wants a copy of the '02 SCCA rule book i have a cd rom with the entire rule book in an adobe acrobat format. so if you want one i can get you one if you give me a blank CD to burn it to.

Thanks Chris. I will have to take you up on that offer sometime.

[Leonard]

keep in mind the 03 books will be out shortly with all of the updated class listings...>

amazing things like the mini cooper S in GS (as I recall)

[PseudoRealityX]

Originally posted by "MADdstang"

this past weekend my wife and i weny to the palm bay event.well in the weeeeeee hours in the morning i forgot to bring my lug wrench :oops: .after asking a couple people if they had a lug wrench i figured it would just be easier to change classes. so i went to timing and was told that i could not be entered in sts because my car has a lsd and i would have to run in stx(which i later found out was crap) :evil: .the guy that told me this was the only one in stx. so after a little more research at eec.com/racing under the results i found that dat nyugen was running in sts and stx and it looks like depending on whos racing what class he runs. does anyone know who i can contact to switch our times to sts? or should this just be considered a lesson learned? thanks for any help. :monkspank:

Umm, your car would be helpful in figuring out what class you go into....but i disgress

In my opinion, if you dont know what class your car belongs in, you havent been around long enough that you should care what class.

The STS rule states that any non-factory or non-viscious type LSD is illegal. Ive spoken with Dat about that rule with his Prelude Type SH before, and he knows he "belongs" in STX. He simply started the '02 year in STS, before the rule was clarified for the Preludes, and talked to the rest of his competittion over in Palm Bay about that, and they allowed him to finish out the season in STS. The exact wording of the lsd rule is as follows...

"No limited slip differentials are permitted except for factory standard viscous coupler type units."

Id be happy to answer any further classing questions....just ask.

[LogicalRetard]

The factory stock SE-R LSD unit is a VISCOUS-type. The fact is, my friend got dooped into running STX, most likely because Dat wanted some competition, IMHO. My friend was going to run DSP, and DID NOT anticipate having to switch to a ST class. STX is a bunch of bull anyways, IMHO. And if Dat was knowledgable enough to know that SE-R's have LSD's stock, then he should, and probably did, know that they are VISCOUS units from the factory.

[drift]

Originally posted by "BodyRollin'"

if anyone wants a copy of the '02 SCCA rule book i have a cd rom with the entire rule book in an adobe acrobat format. so if you want one i can get you one if you give me a blank CD to burn it to.


but the book is heavier, therefore better for hittin people over the head with. :lol:

[PseudoRealityX]

Originally posted by "LogicalRetard"

The factory stock SE-R LSD unit is a VISCOUS-type. The fact is, my friend got dooped into running STX, most likely because Dat wanted some competition, IMHO. My friend was going to run DSP, and DID NOT anticipate having to switch to a ST class. STX is a bunch of bull anyways, IMHO. And if Dat was knowledgable enough to know that SE-R's have LSD's stock, then he should, and probably did, know that they are VISCOUS units from the factory.

I wasnt aware we were talking about a SE-R....hence the first line in my previous post.

I dont think Dat knows the rules all that well, as far as type of LSD. Just my honest opinion after talking to the guy a couple of times. STS and STX are still "NEW" classes in the mind of a lot of the expirienced people who run events. You can't expect them to know all the rules for every class. That and the Prelude thing was only added midyear in one of the FastTracks. It is still the DRIVER'S responsibility to provide proof where he/she can or cannot run. I ran into this very problem in 2001 during the Florida State Championships, when an Integra Type R was entered into STS. This car is clearly NOT legal, yet it was allowed to stay in. The result was that both that driver, and myself were awarded "co-winner" of STS. That was dumb...

For what its worth, STX is slower than STS right now all over the country. So just drive the car, and you'll do fine.

[LogicalRetard]

I don't know if I should reply, or if it's even worth my time.

[PseudoRealityX]

You're the one getting into a hissy fit because you didn't know what class you'd be in.

[LogicalRetard]

But...
1.) I have friends that I will happily stick up for,
and
2.) I'm not the dumbass who tells someone else to run in a class when that person directing others doesn't even know himself.

Give-up. Who are you sticking up for. Take your testosterone to a track.

[LogicalRetard]

Originally posted by "PseudoRealityX"

You're the one getting into a hissy fit because you didn't know what class you'd be in.

And oh yeah, why are you telling me I don't know what class I belong in? Get your facts straight.

[Leonard]

Originally posted by "LogicalRetard"

But...
1.) I have friends that I will happily stick up for,
and
2.) I'm not the dumbass who tells someone else to run in a class when that person directing others doesn't even know himself.

Give-up. Who are you sticking up for. Take your testosterone to a track.


Who's the really the dumbass?? The one trying to help when they don't know enough, or the one listening to someone who doesn't know what they are talking about?


The rules say you are responsible for your car. I think that's pretty fair. And if you don't know enough to know where you belong, then novice is a pretty safe bet. :)

[LogicalRetard]

Originally posted by "MinGreyCobra"


Who's the really the dumbass?? The one trying to help when they don't know enough, or the one listening to someone who doesn't know what they are talking about?

Do remember, Dat WAS the one registering people. He took on that responsibility. So then, he is responsible for giving false advice and trying to take on something he apparently isn't capable of handling. Tom was going to run STS, which would have been correct, but was misled by Dat. The fact is, Dat took the responsibility and fault for misleading Tom, when he told Tom to change his class.

Don't help if you don't know. Tom isn't at fault for taking someone's advice who was in an authority position.

[Leonard]

Originally posted by "2002 Solo Rules Section 4.5 p59"

The driver is responsible for the correct determination of the car's class/category. If in doubt as to classification or concerning the conformity of the car or its equipment to the rules governing the class, he may submit a Request for Clarification to the Protest Committee, which will determine the matter under the procedures of Section 8. It is the driver's responsibility to assure the proper number is on the car prior to competing.


Sorry.. it's crystal clear to me. I don't understand how you can draw any other conclusion regardless of circumstance.

[LogicalRetard]

Originally posted by "MinGreyCobra"

regardless of circumstance.

Right. :roll:

[PseudoRealityX]

Is Tom running for a points battle in STS in the Central Florida East section?

I'm imagining not... That being the case, why does he care? How about running for a points race in STX? The orginal post says that he normally runs DSP, so if he can't run DSP, then what's the difference? *OR*, just run DSP. The local competition isnt THAT great that you couldnt finish well on street tires anyway.

Just tonight I was talking to a friend who owns a rail bug. He's going to have to run A-mod. Is that really fair? Nope, but its where it fits. He's there to HAVE FUN, so he doesn't care.

Again, its NOT the registration person's responcibility to class cars. He gave his best advice, and Im sure if he knew, he would have appropriately classed Tom. I dont see how Dat was out to get anybody or had any sort of personal vendetta against Tom.

Directly from the 2002 SCCA rulebook...

"The driver is ressponsible for the correct determination of the car's class/catagory. If in doubt as to classification,or concerning the conformity of the car or its equipment to the rules governing the class, he may submit a Request for Clarification to the Protest Committee, which will determine the matter under the procedures of Section 8. It is the driver's responsibility to assure the proper number is on the car prior to competeing."

Its NOT Dat's fault, its Tom's. Im not insulting Tom. Im not insulting you. I'm simply pointing out how the SCCA deals with this issue. It's nobody's fault. It was simply an honest mistake by Dat. He was trying his best, as we ALL do at these events. As you know, nobody is getting paid to work/run these events. Its a volunteer thing. He made an honest mistake and you've turned it into a conspricy against Tom. I'm simply looking at this from an objective side.

I'm sorry this has been the debate it has. Most anyone on this forum that knows me personally will attest to the fact that I'm always willing to help anyone with an autocross related question. Ive had multiple people from this forum stay at my own apartment up here in Gainesville to get away from the hotel bills. Ive driven, or will drive at least 5 forum members' cars at events by next weekend.

[LogicalRetard]

Why do you feel the need to write a whole paragraph about yourself? Are you trying to defend yourself? This post has nothing to do with you. Why do you think I have something against you? Hell, maybe you could drive my car if you want...

But, why do you insult me? You plain and clear said you are? But why? I'm putting up my guard for my friend on an issue he and I both feel strongly about. That does not mean I should be receiving any sort of degrading comments towards me. Check that last idea...you CAN'T drive my car.

In your opinion, Dat Nyugen is not the culprit. In Tom, his wife, and my opinion, he is. And what does it matter if Tom is competing for points or not? I know I go to these events to compete and try to win, but hey, that's just me, I'm sure your special. Though, how can you win, if you are not properly placed in a class? Tom said himself, he knew he was going to race STS, but Dat told him he had to race STX. And because of the fact that neither correctly knew, the blame goes onto Dat for being in the authority position.

With authority, comes responsibility.

[0HP930]

Originally posted by "MinGreyCobra"

The rules say you are responsible for your car. I think that's pretty fair. And if you don't know enough to know where you belong, then novice is a pretty safe bet. :)

:werd:

[MADdstang]

holy crap ....i think the rule is clarified thanks for all the "expert" opinons :monkpiss:


cya all at gir sunday. and i hope eveyone has a swell ole time, but as far as im concerned losing SUCKS ASS

[MADdstang]

i love those little monkeys :lol:

[Leonard]

Originally posted by "LogicalRetard"

In your opinion, Dat Nyugen is not the culprit. In Tom, his wife, and my opinion, he is. And what does it matter if Tom is competing for points or not? I know I go to these events to compete and try to win, but hey, that's just me, I'm sure your special. Though, how can you win, if you are not properly placed in a class? Tom said himself, he knew he was going to race STS, but Dat told him he had to race STX. And because of the fact that neither correctly knew, the blame goes onto Dat for being in the authority position.

With authority, comes responsibility.


Are you daft? How is Dat Nyugen to blame for your friend's car being in the wrong class? You call it an 'authority position' because he was handling registration. What you fail to realize is noone is elected or appointed to any of these positions. The people who end up doing that kind of work are the people who are truly addicted to this sport and do the work so they can have events. They are volunteers. They are unpaid. They don't have any special training. Their hard work allows leaches like you to show up, pay your 20 bucks, drive and leave.

The bottom line is you're being a delusional prick! The rule clearly states that it is the participants responsibility. Dat went out of his way to try to help a new person and all you can do is bitch, whine, moan, complain, bellyache and critizize because he made a mistake about classing. I think you need to take a step back and look at things from a different perspective. And if you still feel the same way about it after that, then you need to learn the rules of every class inside out and be available at every event for the rest of the 2003 season to help new drivers class their cars. Until you do that, you, sir, have NO room to criticize.




That said, it was still your friends responsibility to make sure it was right.

[PseudoRealityX]

Originally posted by "LogicalRetard"

Why do you feel the need to write a whole paragraph about yourself? Are you trying to defend yourself? This post has nothing to do with you. Why do you think I have something against you? Hell, maybe you could drive my car if you want...

But, why do you insult me? You plain and clear said you are? But why? I'm putting up my guard for my friend on an issue he and I both feel strongly about. That does not mean I should be receiving any sort of degrading comments towards me. Check that last idea...you CAN'T drive my car.

In your opinion, Dat Nyugen is not the culprit. In Tom, his wife, and my opinion, he is. And what does it matter if Tom is competing for points or not? I know I go to these events to compete and try to win, but hey, that's just me, I'm sure your special. Though, how can you win, if you are not properly placed in a class? Tom said himself, he knew he was going to race STS, but Dat told him he had to race STX. And because of the fact that neither correctly knew, the blame goes onto Dat for being in the authority position.

With authority, comes responsibility.

a) I NEVER insulted you in a PREVIOUS post.

b) Im still confused as to what "issue" you feel strongly about. The rule states that Dat was NOT responsible. If you feel this is unfair, You can email the Solo Events Board (SEB) in Kansas and ask for claification/update to the rulebook. Im sorry you don't agree, but whining here is NOT the way to correct it. Letter to the SEB would be.

c) Since you insist that I did insult you, I think you may need to enlist the services of www.hop.com Maybe then you can read what I've said.

d) The reason why I posted the information about myself is because Im here trying to HELP you understand what the SCCA's policy is for this issue. You've been yelling and bitching to me ever since I tried to help.

[LogicalRetard]

Yeah, I'm sorry guys, I really am. I guess I'm way out of line. I should of never taken sides for a friend. What was I thinking? :? Good thing Tom didn't call anybody in control to let them know of issue passed, because the speedy replies recieved so often from those in control would have probably overwhelmed him. :roll:

Tom: I really do think the both of them have the same disorder... :beer: :crack:

And with that said...
1.) POST EDITS ARE GREAT!!! :asshole:
2.) I'm so glad that I joined the SCCA through CFR. :roll:
3.) I'm so glad that the CFR isn't dominated by one big gay clique in the Tampa Bay area :hump:
4.) I'm so glad that the same people who dominate the Tampa Bay area of the CFR SCCA make new autocrossers feel so at home like all things said regarding the friendliness of the sport of autocrossing. :o
5.) I'm so glad those who love volunteering so much aren't stuck in autocross land. :lol:
6.) I'm so glad that the CFR SCCA is represented so well. :roll:
7.) I'm so glad that those diehard Tampa Bay area CFR non-clique autocrossers aren't a bunch of A.D.D.-ridden Fat F_CK's. :lol:
8.) I'm so glad that I'm now a leach and a delusional prick. :D

Again, I'm so truely sorry for any sort of mix up or argument my burden may have caused. Please accept this sincere appology, and accept me as one of yourselves. :monkpiss:

P.S.-Tom, hell yeah those monkeys are badass! Oh and, I think you need to apologize for picking STX to run in. :lol: ahhh......helloo?

[BodyRollin']

dood I wasnt gonna say anthing about this post but HONESTLY you are trying to insult us?? really ......... Originally posted by "LogicalRetard"

I am planning on finally attending and racing in an Auto-X. I was wondering how much this will be both for non-SCCA member and members, how much for spectaters, and how about people riding. I am thinking about joining that day, I heard there was a deal if you join on race day, does anybody know how much? Also, who will be attending? I have Falken Azenises and a set of Victoracers, I'm not sure on which to use....what would you guys suggest...I believe the Victo's need to be warmed up. Thanks a bunch! hmmm you sound like a newbie there and who offered you help??? oh yeah that was us........ Originally posted by "BodyRollin'"

$0 to spectate
$0 to ride
$30 to drive non-member
$20 to drive scca member

and as far as the tires go if you havent ever done this before you may want to use the falkens as they are more predictable and forgiving however if you have done this a time or two use the kuhmo's they own falkens but get owned by hoosiers. Originally posted by "MinGreyCobra"

I would definitely opt for the Falken's in your case. (I'm assuming that you've never autoxed before). Run in novice and see how you fare. Depending what class you decide to eventually run in, you may or may not be able to run the VR's. (STS/STX -- street tires only).

Even then, I'd stick with the street compound until you are ready to move to R compounds. I race in SM ( Street Modified) and didn't make the move to R compounds until I was beating all the other SM folks on street tires. (Normally, it's like this... 1-4 on R compounds, 5-8 on street tires.). But, when I made the move to R compounds, I was more ready as a driver. Of course, the extra grip is exacerbating the issues I have with very 'soft' stock springs, but I'll get that fixed in time. Hopefully, my experience will give you some insight into what you want to do.

ok so now that we settled that question you then asked the following.... Originally posted by "LogicalRetard"

Alright, who's going to let me ride with them :) Or maybe one of you guys can ride with me and give me pointers. When I start to run the R's, how could I warm them up? Also, it says that Saturday's are by invitation only.....who's invited :).....is it free to come and watch? I was trying to ge the class specifications on the SCCA website, but it seems that the Solo2 stuff is totally different. The guy I bought my car from used to race SSB Club Racing. So, Idon't know what it would be after I go into the novice class. Also, I have no idea, just like half these engine codes :D, what all those initials stand for, could somebody help me out? Thanks again for all your help. oh yeah and we prolly told you that none of us were willing to give you a ride right???? :roll: Originally posted by "MinGreyCobra"


You're more than welcome to ride with me if you like. Novices aren't permitted to have passengers with the exception of driving instructors (don't blame us, it's a requirement of the event liability insurance).

I don't think anyone would have issue with you coming out Saturday to watch. In fact, it may be a good experience to watch people run and perhaps get some ride-alongs to learn more. Originally posted by "87IROC"

You may also ride along with me if you want. Originally posted by "speed_daemon1"

I give free rides as well, just not on runs 3 and 4. Originally posted by "400HP930"

I am also willing to provide a ride along during the fun runs if there are any.

I usually want to remain solo during the runs that count, though I did make an exception for Joe since he technically didn't have a vehicle to drive last time. Originally posted by "BodyRollin'"

you can ride with the body rollin bastard if you wanna see what a stock ls can do with mush springs and over bound shocks lol it does well though i can give you a few pointers and talk you through a run if you want. if you do want to let me know but not on 4th run. :D oh but wait there is more. Originally posted by "LogicalRetard"

Cool, thanks for all the offers to let me ride....what cotagories are all of you guys in? Are any of you guys driving instructors, if so you are welcome to ride and give me as many pointers as humanly possible :D. I will most likely be there on Saturday to check out what's going on....and maybe bum a couple rides...:). How different is the track from day to day, or event to event? How much preparration time is allotted (time to walk course and what not)? That sucks that no one can ride with me, I told my friend he could already, haha, oh well. My name is Bart, to all of you that don't know, which is basically everyone posting here, haha. I drive a black 1993 Nissan Sentra SE-R. I beleive, from looking at that site, that I would be in Street Modified, due to one little thing....maybe. My car has a B&M short shifter, Eibach ERS/Koni Red's, JWT ecu, K&N filter, straight pipe from after-cat-resonator back, balanced and blueprinted, Nismo radiator, and little things here and there. I have the Azenises because they are just awesome tires for drag/auto-x and they were cheap, and I have the Victoracers cause i bought the car from Mike Schultz, he raced the car since it was new in SCCA SSB Club Racing, he gave me the car, extra motor, parts, and 16 sets of wheels and tires (1-Worn BFG R-1's, 1-worn Victo's, 1-Good Victo's, 1-worn Yoko slicks), so I picked up a pretty good deal, it also has a bolt-in 4pt. roll-cage, but I took it out for right now. Also, do they allow any camber mods? Alright, thanks again for all the invites, and soory this was soo long! and yet again we took the time to read and respond to your post Originally posted by "MinGreyCobra"

Several of us on TR serve as driving instructors from time to time. I've done it in a pinch, but kind of prefer not to as there are far better drivers who can be instructors.

As far as your car, you 'should' be in SM. The only thing I can't remember 100% is the ECU, and I'm on vacation and don't have the rulebook handy. I' also assumng your balanced/bluprinted block is of nissan origin.


As long as the block is from the same manufacture as the car, and within the displacement limits, it's good for street mod.

It's a VERY open class. It also makes it quite expensive to be competative. Of course it sounds like your car is already finished. yet another query Originally posted by "LogicalRetard"

Cany uo rent helmets over there.....where is a good place to buy a helmet/driving gloves/driving shoes? Originally posted by "PseudoRealityX"

Cany uo rent helmets over there.....where is a good place to buy a helmet/driving gloves/driving shoes?

SCCA provides FREE loaner helmets. Once you know your size, www.racerwholesale.com is a good place to pick up helmets, as is Ebay. so i understand that he is your friend but you asked us why he cant get points so we told you that the rules say that it is your job to know your class. so before you go insulting us and saying we are so stand offish maybe you should consider who helped YOU get started, MR. HIGH AND MIGHTY AFTER A FEW MONTHS BEHIND THE WHEEL. :roll: keep in mind this was from a thread started by you in AUGUST a whole 3 months ago, so now you are the pro and gonna argue with the ppl that have been at it for a while?!?!? jack ass :doublebird:

[0HP930]

Well, his screen name does suggest that he is retarded.

Despite that he is still able to squeeze out the following sarcastic comments.

I'm so glad that the CFR isn't dominated by one big gay clique in the Tampa Bay area
. . .
I'm so glad that the same people who dominate the Tampa Bay area of the CFR SCCA make new autocrossers feel so at home like all things said regarding the friendliness of the sport of autocrossing.

Yeah, what a wad of wisdom about the volunteers and participants that make the area SCCA events what they are.

[PseudoRealityX]

Originally posted by "LogicalRetard"

Tom isn't at fault for taking someone's advice who was in an authority position.


Originally posted by "PseudoRealityX"

"The driver is ressponsible for the correct determination of the car's class/catagory. If in doubt as to classification,or concerning the conformity of the car or its equipment to the rules governing the class, he may submit a Request for Clarification to the Protest Committee, which will determine the matter under the procedures of Section 8. It is the driver's responsibility to assure the proper number is on the car prior to competeing."


It **IS** Tom's fault. I don't see a problem. If you still do, please explain what it is.

[Leonard]

Originally posted by "ilLogicalRetard"

Tom isn't at fault for taking someone's advice who was in an authority position.


Again, why is the guy who showed up early to take people's registration cards ultimately responsible for what class your friends car ended up in???? I don't understand how's your Logic is working..... He's not on the SEB. He's not a paid employee of the SCCA. He's just another autocrosser. He just happens to suffer from the 'addiction' a little more and thus stepped forward and said "How can I help more"... (The answer to which is "Show up early cuz there's a ton of stuff that has to happen before entrants start to arrive").

This is a sport of volunteers. That's why the rulebook makes it your responsibility for your car. Who knows it better than you? There is no sanctioning body at each event verifying that every car meets the rules. For the most part, it is the honor system. (Yes, there's an appeal process in place to disqualify cars, but that is done on an incident by incedent basis).

You think Dat is responsible because he was in a position of "authority", but exactly what "authority" did he really have in regard to the classing of your friends car? The answer is: NONE.

Originally posted by "ilLogicalRetard"


7.) I'm so glad that those diehard Tampa Bay area CFR non-clique autocrossers aren't a bunch of A.D.D.-ridden Fat F_CK's.
I'm going to address this since it's primarily directed at me...

I still beat your 'prepped club racer' even with my beefcake style weight penalty so just go sit down!



and this too...
Originally posted by "ilLogicalRetard"


5.) I'm so glad those who love volunteering so much aren't stuck in autocross land.
I have responsibilities. I have one vehicle. I'm buying a house, so a second isn't currently on the radar. I'm glad that someone who's life is subsidized by mommy and daddy and who doesn't have a job that can be easily replaced by filling out 2 or 3 job applications at local fast food establishments can criticize me so harshly for not competing in wheel to wheel events. I'm patient and know that my time will come and in the meantime, I will continue to hone my driving skills so I am prepared when the time comes.
I eagerly encourage you to immediatelygo out and do the fastest and most competative events your car possibly. It's a built club racer, right?

[138MustangGT]

There will be numerous 2002 rule books available at the GIR event this weekend. I am sure someone might have read the most recent Sports Car, too and they might remember the most recent updates to the classes from Fast Track. Please note the 2002 rule books are now obsolete.

I would like to make it clear now that the Gainesville clique will be running the Gainesville event like a Nazi concentration camp. If you ask a question I swear to Hitler I will hold your face under the rear tire of the SCCA van, revved to 50mph, and jacked up off the track surface (with the apprepriate piece of plywood under the jack to protect the track surface.

But, seriously... please know the rules or do not complain. The rules are readily available online, on CD, or on paperback.

If you have any issues with events, please email the Solo Chairman of CFR... Frank Edwards at crash@eec.com

Please correct me if I am wrong...
you forgot your lugwrench
you had classed your car in STS
registration told you you had an LSD and could not compete in STS
thus putting you in STX
you did not check this out after your research had pointed you toward STS
you ran in the event...
after the fact you determined you were wronged
you asked if this might be rectified, based on your previous knowledge
you learned the rules
you never asked WHO to complain to

did you ever get your lugwrench?

this all sounds liek buttered toast and water under the bridge... and you wonder why I don't drive all the way to Palm Bay, no offense meant by that.

have fun, drive fun, you wouldn't have won anyway... would you have. think about it.

[LogicalRetard]

Hmm...where should I start? I guess I should have known not to stick up for friends.

Originally posted by "LogicalRetard"


And with that said...
3.) I'm so glad that the CFR isn't dominated by one big gay clique in the Tampa Bay area :hump:
4.) I'm so glad that the same people who dominate the Tampa Bay area of the CFR SCCA make new autocrossers feel so at home like all things said regarding the friendliness of the sport of autocrossing. :o
5.) I'm so glad those who love volunteering so much aren't stuck in autocross land. :lol:
7.) I'm so glad that those diehard Tampa Bay area CFR non-clique autocrossers aren't a bunch of A.D.D.-ridden Fat F_CK's. :lol:


#3- Still holds true. Weird how the same 4 people on here are always going at it.
#4- BodyRollin': This was not pertaining to me. But thanks though! No, really...thanks!

Tony- I'm retarded just like your 930 has 400 horsepower.

Jesse- Of course you don't see a problem. But I do. And I'm sure if you saw a problem somewhere, I wouldn't. Get it? Probably not.

Leonard-

1.) Dat took the responsibilty when he VOLUNTEERED. Argue all you want. You and Jesse alike. You all have as big of heads as I do, and I hope someday you will realize this, as I already have.

2.) You are so "il"-slick. Seriously.

3.) My prepped Club Racer was a Showroom Stock Club Racer. If I do recall, Showroom Stock is a stock-based class, right? Dumbass. So, at about this point, you are probably more modded than I am. Yet, still I try and compete in Street Mod because I know the competition in DSP isn't the same. I guess I'm one of those odd people who like competition, weird huh? And I do recall you being the one telling people "watch out for that guy, that car used to be a Club Racer." Hmm, that's weird. I never bragged about my car, yet....you did? That's weird that you beat me at GIR. Maybe if I drove the course early.....

4.) That comment wasn't completely directed at you, but if you want to take it upon yourself, then so be it! Oh yeah, that time you rode with me as an instructor...it did nothing, BUT weigh down the car. You told me nothing I already didn't know. And I didn't even want you to ride with me, I was hoping for Neil. Unlucky me, I guess.

5.) My parents don't pay for jack, other than the same stuff they have been paying for for the last 18 years. No change for them and plus, I'm going to school for free. I work as a part-time machinist at Aerospace Components and am also a part-time student at SPC, all paid for by scholorships. Yes scholorships, those things that a student has to earn, hmmm.... I also pay for all of my racing addictions, whether it be autocrossing, or buying parts. Or my next venture, Club Racing. But hey, jumping to conclusions about a person is alright, right?

6.) Your time won't come, cause your not trying. What are you aiming for? Professional Autocrosser? Good job, you've achieved it! I, on the other hand, I am atleast trying to make something happen. No wonder I scrapped my plan for a turbo swap. Why waste my money so all I can do is autocross? And people like you won't be ones to get in my way, other than literally.

See you all at GIR!!! :doublebird:

[LogicalRetard]

Originally posted by "MinGreyImSoADDriddenThatICanBeralyConcentrateEnoug hToProperlyStructureASentenceCobra"


I eagerly encourage you to immediatelygo out and do the fastest and most competative events your car possibly. It's a built club racer, right?

Am I "il"-slick, too? Or still ilLogicalRetard?

Possibly, uh, uh, uh, what?

Oh yeah, my car is so built. Sooooo built.

[BIG_Truck_Driver]

WOW, this is the first time in a long while that this forum has needed any moderating, this is going nowhere.