Just wait until I get my brakes.

[LogicalRetard]

I will dominate Street Mod, bwahahahahahahahahaha! Anyways, I had a good time at Gainesville, probably one of the best times I've had in a while. First day: Fast straights; Second day: Fast corners; Both Days=Good. Damn you, Leonard, haha :D I need to let somebody extremely good drive my car to see if I can learn to push the car any harder, maybe that Mazda Protege stock driver......

[MADdstang]

brakes? :? u mean motor mods dont u? this is auto x we re talking bout. may b sum tires.oh and bout that driving position i might know someone. ask me about her at work. psssst ill give u a hint she got a 3rd in n class on sunday :lol:

[LogicalRetard]

Bish, if I had a wife, she'd walk your wife all over the course. Oooohhhhh, step off!

[box240mod]

being able to brake later and harder would be more effective cost wise than a motor mod. depending on how much u spend on them

[VideoNasty]

Originally posted by "box240mod"

being able to brake later and harder would be more effective cost wise than a motor mod. depending on how much u spend on them


absolutely!!!

[PseudoRealityX]

actually, the VAST majority of oem braking systems are already plenty strong. Traction is what they are missing.

If you can lock up your tires, a brake upgrade is basically useless. The only thing you may want to look at is pads and SS lines, as these will control the "feel" of the brakes.

This is of course for an autocross only thing. Road racers need bigger brakes simply because of the amount of heat that they build up. You should never get brake fade in an autocross.

[Leonard]

I get power steering fade....

[LogicalRetard]

Originally posted by "box240mod"

being able to brake later and harder would be more effective cost wise than a motor mod. depending on how much u spend on them

That was just my friend screwing around.

My brakes just plain suck. Drive any SE-R with or without ABS and stomp on the binders, give them a good mile or so to stop from about 60mph :lol: .

[VideoNasty]

Originally posted by "LogicalRetard"



My brakes just plain suck. Drive any SE-R with or without ABS and stomp on the binders, give them a good mile or so to stop from about 60mph :lol: .


yeah Nissan brakes are at best pathetic. the brakes on our 89 integra are the same size as the SE-R, thats only a 200lb difference, but its an 8 year difference! i would've hoped that a company would make some sort of changes. Nissan brakes just plain SUCK.



(the 350Z Track model has the nicest brakes a USDM Nissan has ever seen)

[shadowboy]

Originally posted by "PseudoRealityX"

actually, the VAST majority of oem braking systems are already plenty strong. Traction is what they are missing.

If you can lock up your tires, a brake upgrade is basically useless. The only thing you may want to look at is pads and SS lines, as these will control the "feel" of the brakes.

This is of course for an autocross only thing. Road racers need bigger brakes simply because of the amount of heat that they build up. You should never get brake fade in an autocross.

i beg to differ... yes you do build up more heat with road racing.. but with autocross you brake more frequently.. giving less time for the brakes to cool off.

with some OEM systems you will experience brake fade. especially all-drum systems.

any car with vented discs up front (read: most cars) should do well with a mere pad upgrade:

LogicalRetard: try getting a set of either Porterfield R4S pads, or EBC Greenstuff pads. and upgrade to something like ATE Super blue brake fluid

you can stay in stock category with those mods and your braking performance will greatly improve, even with OEM calipers & discs.

[PseudoRealityX]

Originally posted by "shadowboy"


i beg to differ... yes you do build up more heat with road racing.. but with autocross you brake more frequently.. giving less time for the brakes to cool off.

with some OEM systems you will experience brake fade. especially all-drum systems.



a) how many cars have full drums still?

b) more frequently, but still only a few times. Sunday's course was 9 times. And thats with some left-foot braking to get the car to rotate mid corner. There were only 2 MAJOR braking zones, so i really dont think that there was enough sufficient braking to heat up decent pads to over ~400 degrees, which is where most brake fluids start to boil.

Even on Saturday's BIG braking zone at the end.,..it was isolated as a braking point, as the only braking zone before that would be midway through the chicane to stabilize the car, and that should have been very light, then you have a couple of seconds for those brakes to cool before the 3rd gear to 1st and through the lights.

[shadowboy]

400 degrees is a pretty high boiling point for most brake fluid. most non-racing fluid has DRY boiling points of around 400-450 degress.. guess what.. the brake fluid isnt gonna be dry unless it was just flushed.. and generally speaking, the higher the dry boiling point, the more hydroscopic it is.

the effective brake fluid boiling point is actually much less than 450.

besides.. most brake fade is in the pads. and i have autocrossed on cheap discount auto lifetime warantee pads long enough to tell you that they WILL fade.

besides.. read my post a little more and i suggested that his biggest improvement will come from only changing pads & fluid.

i agree with statement A tho...

still, the order & cost effectiveness of mods for autocross goes like such (at least as far as i am concerned)... for the most part
1: tires
2: suspension
3: brakes
4: engine

[PseudoRealityX]

#1 would be driver;)

but yeah, otherwise, agreed on all counts

[shadowboy]

heh, my bad, i do agree with you on that. that one is so simple & obvious that its easy to forget :D

[Bob22b]

Originally posted by "PseudoRealityX"

#1 would be driver;)

but yeah, otherwise, agreed on all counts

How much does one of them cost?

And will it make my geo metro dip into the 14s? :P

[shadowboy]

not much of an autocross course if it takes 14 seconds to finish....


too much of an autocross course if it takes 14 minutes :D

[PseudoRealityX]

Originally posted by "Bob22b"

#1 would be driver;)

but yeah, otherwise, agreed on all counts

How much does one of them cost?

And will it make my geo metro dip into the 14s? :P

I can be hired for a neogitiable price on a per event basis.:)

And yes, i can get your Metro into the 14s...for the 1/8th

[RainmanEK]

i would help you with your car, though i do charge! I belive my records speak for them self! thanks, eric