2.2 oil pans

[flybyuin2.2]

ok got a 86 oil pan since it holds more oil than my 87 now the problem i'm having is the pan won't bolt up since it hits the pick-up tube :x so now that i bought a pan i need to buy the matching part wonder if the dipsticks are same length has anyone done the pan swap?

[mpbiv]

Originally posted by "flybyuin2.2"

ok got a 86 oil pan since it holds more oil than my 87 now the problem i'm having is the pan won't bolt up since it hits the pick-up tube :x so now that i bought a pan i need to buy the matching part wonder if the dipsticks are same length has anyone done the pan swap?
Nope sorry, but I imagine the 2.5L one is the biggest, but thats just based on the fact that it has balance shafts. Mine holds about 6.5 (maybe even 7) quarts once I took the balance shafts out. If its possible just go back to the engine you got the pan from and swipe the pickup.

I don't think the dipstick is going to make a difference because it probably is meant to stick the same amount past the crank in all models. I know for a fact that mine doesn't go nowhere near the bottom of the pan and I am using stock pan and dipstick.

[FearThe4Doors]

i put an 89 2.2 T2 pan on my 89 2.5T1 because ive heard that when you remove the shafts, since the pan is so big and flat and there's no shafts in there anymore, it causes the oil to slosh all over possibly causing windage if filled more. Along with my T2 pan, i got a T2 pickup and T2 dipstick. I heard the dipstiicks were diff.

[mpbiv]

Originally posted by "FearThe4Doors"

i put an 89 2.2 T2 pan on my 89 2.5T1 because ive heard that when you remove the shafts, since the pan is so big and flat and there's no shafts in there anymore, it causes the oil to slosh all over possibly causing windage if filled more.
The way I understand it the 2.2 pans are shallower because there are no balance shafts submersed in the oil. Either way the oil level is going to be the same distance from the crank in either pan so oil sloshing around and hitting the crank should theoretically be the same between both provided we are comparing a 2.5 pan without balance shafts to 2.2 pan both filled to capacity.

There shouldn't be anymore windage in a 2.5 pan (sans balance shafts) than a 2.2 pan. Thats my opinion.

If you are really concerned with performance only a full windage tray or baffled oil pan is going to make a difference. The difference (if any) in windage between a 2.2 pan and a 2.5 pan without balance shafts should not make a noticeable difference in performance.

[rb70383]

if windage is bad enough, installnig a tray can gain up to 8-10hp on the top end. hence why the 383 has one. :D

[rb70383]

"same basic pan used from 81-85"

"Turbo dipstick tube: The turbo 2.2L uses a special dipstick tube which yields a 5 quart oil fill in the pan. This dipstick can be identified by being silver while the 4 quart fill one is black. The extra oil fill is desireable in the turbos
Note:the pan and the dipstick remain the same."

from the Mopar 2.2L/2.5L book.

There are 3 different types of oil pickups. one for the 2.5L and 2 different ones for the 2.2L. In the book drawing, one appears to be bent in a "Z" shape and the other has a 45^ leg along with a welded on bracket that bolts to one of the main caps.

[whore]

Originally posted by "mpbiv"

The way I understand it the 2.2 pans are shallower because there are no balance shafts submersed in the oil. Either way the oil level is going to be the same distance from the crank in either pan

That is correct. But when you take the shafts out, it changes the situation.

so oil sloshing around and hitting the crank should theoretically be the same between both provided we are comparing a 2.5 pan without balance shafts to 2.2 pan both filled to capacity.

Thats where the minor things take control. The shape of the 2.5 pan is very square. Without the shafts in there to break it up, the oil starts sloshing round against the square sides and could cause "waves" back and forth in either direction depending on if you're autoxing or dragging. The shafts are almost a baffle for that. Now, the 2.2 pan has a "nose" on the front of the pan. It makes all the walls non-parallel so when the sloshing oil hits it, it breaks it up instead of bouncing it back in another wave. I hope i'm explaining this good, i just woke up!

The difference (if any) in windage between a 2.2 pan and a 2.5 pan without balance shafts should not make a noticeable difference in performance.

how I explained it above, i believe there is a difference. You are correct in a full baffled pan with a tray would be the ultimate, but getting a T2 pan was easier and cheaper for me and should be all I need. Yes, many run the 2.5 pan with no shafts and have no noticable problems as far as starvation.. but i wonder how much oil is slamming against the crank without them knowing.

[whore]

Originally posted by "rb70383"

"There are 3 different types of oil pickups. one for the 2.5L and 2 different ones for the 2.2L. In the book drawing, one appears to be bent in a "Z" shape and the other has a 45^ leg along with a welded on bracket that bolts to one of the main caps.

That sounds familier.. the bracket. If you have an old MP book with the baffled oil pan it in, it says you need an 86 or older pickup.. so it must have changed then, not in 89.

[mpbiv]

:?

Now I am confused because the only flat side of my pan is the back, and the front does have a nose shaped bulge right around the oil pump, and the bottom has a very slight "v" shape.

[rb70383]

:arrow:
Oil pump 1986-1995 2.2 & 2.5 applications.

1984-1985 applications must use 86-87 pickup tube

pickup tube application
1986-1987 2.2
1988-1989 2.2
1989-1995 2.5
1990-1993 2.2


All right off the RR site. Under the "Specials"

[flybyuin2.2]

the 1 in my car now is the Z shape pick up and pan has that small area where the pickup sits and the problem is the pan i want to use looks more like a 2.5 pan or 89 2.2 pan that i have too bad it don't fit a 87 2.2 :(

[whore]

Originally posted by "mpbiv"

:?

Now I am confused because the only flat side of my pan is the back, and the front does have a nose shaped bulge right around the oil pump, and the bottom has a very slight "v" shape.

You aint common block. I guess I was forgetting about the NA 2.5s. We were both talking about different things, thinking the other was talking about the same. :doh:

[rb70383]

Originally posted by "whore"

thinking :doh:

See what you get for thinking :lol::lol:

[mpbiv]

Originally posted by "whore"

:?

Now I am confused because the only flat side of my pan is the back, and the front does have a nose shaped bulge right around the oil pump, and the bottom has a very slight "v" shape.

You aint common block. I guess I was forgetting about the NA 2.5s. We were both talking about different things, thinking the other was talking about the same. :doh:
:doh: Guess I need to stick to giving info out only on NA's

[rb70383]

Originally posted by "mpbiv"

:?

Now I am confused because the only flat side of my pan is the back, and the front does have a nose shaped bulge right around the oil pump, and the bottom has a very slight "v" shape.

You aint common block. I guess I was forgetting about the NA 2.5s. We were both talking about different things, thinking the other was talking about the same. :doh:
:doh: Guess I need to stick to giving info out only on NA's

Now if we can get the rest of TR to follow that idea.................. No offence to you, but at least you realize, and are trying to learn unlike the "others" ;)

[mpbiv]

Originally posted by "rb70383"

:?

Now I am confused because the only flat side of my pan is the back, and the front does have a nose shaped bulge right around the oil pump, and the bottom has a very slight "v" shape.

You aint common block. I guess I was forgetting about the NA 2.5s. We were both talking about different things, thinking the other was talking about the same. :doh:
:doh: Guess I need to stick to giving info out only on NA's

Now if we can get the rest of TR to follow that idea.................. No offence to you, but at least you realize, and are trying to learn unlike the "others" ;)
Yeah unfortunately that will never happen.

And yes I am learning, and quickly, PH34R M3 :twisted:

[rb70383]

Originally posted by "mpbiv"

:?

Now I am confused because the only flat side of my pan is the back, and the front does have a nose shaped bulge right around the oil pump, and the bottom has a very slight "v" shape.

You aint common block. I guess I was forgetting about the NA 2.5s. We were both talking about different things, thinking the other was talking about the same. :doh:
:doh: Guess I need to stick to giving info out only on NA's

Now if we can get the rest of TR to follow that idea.................. No offence to you, but at least you realize, and are trying to learn unlike the "others" ;)
Yeah unfortunately that will never happen.

And yes I am learning, and quickly, PH34R M3 :twisted:

:blackeye::bounce::notworthy:

[whore]

Originally posted by "mpbiv"

:?

Now I am confused because the only flat side of my pan is the back, and the front does have a nose shaped bulge right around the oil pump, and the bottom has a very slight "v" shape.

You aint common block. I guess I was forgetting about the NA 2.5s. We were both talking about different things, thinking the other was talking about the same. :doh:
:doh: Guess I need to stick to giving info out only on NA's

Now if we can get the rest of TR to follow that idea.................. No offence to you, but at least you realize, and are trying to learn unlike the "others" ;)
Yeah unfortunately that will never happen.

And yes I am learning, and quickly, PH34R M3 :twisted:

bah! You'll earn your wings one day!