what would be needed to run a 2.0L off of T2 electronics? [Archive]

rb70383

08-12-2002, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by "FearThe4Doors"

some machined little bracket they make..

Then they just slot the cam

looks like 808 is really doing some thinking!!

Shhhh! No I'm not :lol: Who was the dude again? The one with hte pic you posted. I cant remember his name. They have to use the engine specific tranny as well. Another thing I remember is that the I believe the Neon hubs are smaller than the older FWDs, so that might lead to a bastard axel type. Wonder where/ how they slot the cam? Any special angel. Shouldn't matter as long as the distributor is right. The Neons are Sequnetial fire? Hmmm another minor difference that actually might not matter. :twisted:

leadfootedfool

08-12-2002, 07:26 PM

woot woot neon butting in here.........

the neon cam has a tab on it. you could slot the little adapter thingy and that way no cutting of the perty cams.........

mpbiv

08-12-2002, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by "rb70383"

Another thing I remember is that the I believe the Neon hubs are smaller than the older FWDs, so that might lead to a bastard axel type.
Thats probably easy enough. I bet you could just disassemble the CV's from two cars and just reassemble each side with the correct spline. I bet the actual CV joints are the same.

leadfootedfool

08-12-2002, 08:29 PM

jeff and myself have solved that problem.

question is should we share bwahahaha

mpbiv

08-12-2002, 08:39 PM

So the real question is how much power could you make with a 2.0L Turbo Hybrid motor.

Remember the 400 something hp salt flats Lebaron, it was a 2.0L destroked 2.2. Maybe there is some benefits to using a turbocharged 2.0L over a 2.4L. But then again turbo lag might be a little more annoying.

I can see it now, a Turbo 2.0L in the Aries. Awe yeah now that would be the shit, and more original than having a 2.2/2.5 in it.

mpbiv

08-12-2002, 08:40 PM

Oh another idea, I could be even more importrific if I called my car Hybrid Aries :lol:

CrazyMoparGirl

08-12-2002, 08:42 PM

Why not just destroke a 2.4L?

mpbiv

08-12-2002, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by "CrazyMoparGirl"

Why not just destroke a 2.4L?
LOL I just realized how confusing I sounded. I meant I would use a Neon 2.0L, which I guess in essence is a destroked 2.4. I was just using the Lebaron as a example, like maybe there is a reason for the smaller displacement.

CrazyMoparGirl

08-12-2002, 08:54 PM

I know what you meant but I don't think the Neon 2.0L is a destroked 2.4L, 808 and I were just talking about this he says that using a 2.0L might be better in an Omni cause you can "get away" with it in a lighter car.

mpbiv

08-12-2002, 09:11 PM

Ok I think I'll stick with the 2.2/2.5 then, just have to use more boost :twisted:

CrazyMoparGirl

08-12-2002, 09:13 PM

LOL your logic works, but I still wanna do the 2.4L in the Omni, 808 can say what he wants, but lets face it the wife always pulls the strings :lol: who am I kidding

flybyuin2.2

08-12-2002, 09:35 PM

from pics it looks simple; remove the cam sensor and attatch distributor(i'm good at making brackets and what not) i was a machinist for a few years :wink: wonder if the 2.2 injectors will interchange with 2.4 i think i'll stop by my buddies to see if any 2.4's are available and start new project :) also the Neon auto tranny has 4 clutch packs just like the Turbo Dodge 89 and up, the only difference is the bolt pattern the newer 2.2 axles should work i would believe since i remember swapping the differential out of a 413 into Neon 543 and no other changes were made :idea:

CrazyMoparGirl

08-12-2002, 10:29 PM

I do believe the injectors are different. 808 and I played around with trying to put Neon injectors on a 2.2L long time ago

FearThe4Doors

08-13-2002, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by "rb70383"

Shhhh! No I'm not :lol: Who was the dude again? The one with hte pic you posted. I cant remember his name.

Brian Slowe owns the car.. but he's not giving away too many secrets. However, i've been talking with his neighbor who helped him build it, and he's told me a few things i'm not supposed to know. I can ask him.

They have to use the engine specific tranny as well.

Right. The starter is in the front for one.

Another thing I remember is that the I believe the Neon hubs are smaller than the older FWDs, so that might lead to a bastard axel type.

The hubs are, yes. But the trans end is the same. I've researched it. Not sure about lengths. But i know a guy who builds all kinds of custom hybrid axles for cheap.

Wonder where/ how they slot the cam? Any special angel. Shouldn't matter as long as the distributor is right.

I would think it wouldnt matter.. maybe set the engine at TDC, then find out which position you want the dist body clocked at, and see where the drive thing is.. then grind. You can always spin the body around to make it perfect.. as you will have to in order to set the timing anyway. Just depends how anal you are with the flat spot on the body where the splash guard thing goes.

The Neons are Sequnetial fire?

No clue.. ask L0r1.

CrazyMoparGirl

08-13-2002, 02:10 AM

You'd think after being with me for 6 years something would have rubbed off by now

FearThe4Doors

08-13-2002, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by "CrazyMoparGirl"

You'd think after being with me for 6 years something would have rubbed off by now

i thought he had a cream to take care of that?!? :?

CrazyMoparGirl

08-13-2002, 02:15 AM

:nono: PERVE!!!!

FearThe4Doors

08-13-2002, 02:17 AM

come on.. that one was good! you gotta give me that!

CrazyMoparGirl

08-13-2002, 02:21 AM

:O , I guess

leadfootedfool

08-13-2002, 02:42 AM

Neons are sequential, btw, I always hate to interrupt a good ass cream thread......

rb70383

08-13-2002, 06:40 AM

Not to toss in any more useless info but I got a hold of the company that made the torque splitter for the AWD Daytona :twisted:.................

FearThe4Doors

08-13-2002, 11:58 AM

now you just need the other 582 specific parts!

rb70383

08-13-2002, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by "FearThe4Doors"

now you just need the other 582 specific parts!

Have welder will make

FearThe4Doors

08-13-2002, 12:09 PM

just convert it to RWD with existing parts. AWD's make crappy wheelies

rb70383

08-13-2002, 02:08 PM

But an Omni to do this.........
http://audituning.com/media/film/donut.mpg

FearThe4Doors

08-13-2002, 02:23 PM

who wants to do that

leadfootedfool

08-13-2002, 02:26 PM

Yea, see problem with that car is it's running something like 45 psi and making over 800 hp.

FearThe4Doors

08-13-2002, 02:33 PM

and you cant understand a damn word they say!

CrazyMoparGirl

08-13-2002, 08:02 PM

Who needs to understand the words they say, the car does the talking for them

leadfootedfool

08-13-2002, 08:03 PM

5 cylinders????

rb70383

08-13-2002, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by "leadfootedfool"

5 cylinders????

600-900HP

leadfootedfool

08-13-2002, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by "rb70383"

5 cylinders????

600-900HP

2.1 liters

rb70383

08-13-2002, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by "leadfootedfool"

5 cylinders????

600-900HP

2.1 liters

5 cylinders

CrazyMoparGirl

08-13-2002, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by "rb70383"

5 cylinders????

600-900HP

2.1 liters

5 cylinders

600-900HP

leadfootedfool

08-13-2002, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by "CrazyMoparGirl"

5 cylinders????

600-900HP

2.1 liters

5 cylinders

600-900HP

2.1 liters

CrazyMoparGirl

08-13-2002, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by "leadfootedfool"

5 cylinders????

600-900HP

2.1 liters

5 cylinders

600-900HP

2.1 liters

and 5 Cylinders you over the shock now or do we need to walk you through it again?

leadfootedfool

08-13-2002, 08:31 PM

i'm still kind of afraid of it.....anybody see the exhaust on that thing??? :monkspank:

rb70383

08-13-2002, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by "leadfootedfool"

i'm still kind of afraid of it.....anybody see the exhaust on that thing??? :monkspank:

Yip damn sewer pipe. I wouldn't drive with the window down, unless I had hearing protection.

CrazyMoparGirl

08-13-2002, 08:43 PM

and an oxygen mask attatched to a tank of Oxygen

rb70383

08-13-2002, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by "CrazyMoparGirl"

and an oxygen mask attatched to a tank of Oxygen
And a little Nos. :D

CrazyMoparGirl

08-13-2002, 08:53 PM

No NOS sorry to spoil your laughs

mpbiv

08-13-2002, 09:28 PM

I was browsing the web the other day and found something where they were making adapters for RWD 2.2 Dakota bellhousings so you could bolt a 904 to a Dakota 2.5L RWD bellhousing. But I forgot where it was :(

leadfootedfool

08-13-2002, 09:48 PM

jeez talk about off topic, we were talking about an audi

leadfootedfool

08-13-2002, 09:48 PM

with 5 cylinders

leadfootedfool

08-13-2002, 09:48 PM

2.1 liters

leadfootedfool

08-13-2002, 09:48 PM

a lot of hp and mad boost to boot....

leadfootedfool

08-13-2002, 09:49 PM

oh yea, and a really stinky exhaust

mpbiv

08-13-2002, 10:12 PM

yeah so when are we ever on topic for more than a page anyways :)

mpbiv

08-13-2002, 10:14 PM

Is this that audi powered VW GTI something something? I remember a pic of it in General car chat or FFA or something

mpbiv

08-13-2002, 10:15 PM

and I pwn page 3

CrazyMoparGirl

08-13-2002, 10:21 PM

Yea that's that audi, and I've seen that website about the Dak w/904 trans, can't remember where. But combine RWD 2.2/2.5 with AWD splitter and :hump: wiell not quite that simple

leadfootedfool

08-13-2002, 10:33 PM

I want a 2.5 turbo dak.......

CrazyMoparGirl

08-13-2002, 10:33 PM

me 2

leadfootedfool

08-13-2002, 10:34 PM

just to be rwd

CrazyMoparGirl

08-13-2002, 10:34 PM

Actually I want an 89 Convertible Dak with either a 2.5T or 318 and a 5 speed, either way it will be Turb'd

leadfootedfool

08-13-2002, 10:36 PM

All the convertibles I've seen have been nasty 4x4s. They're jacked up, rusty and look like shit.

318 + early dakota = no clearance and bitch to work on.

But with a limited slip boy are they fun :P

CrazyMoparGirl

08-13-2002, 10:38 PM

I have seen 2wd versions, one was at Garlits last year :hump: 808 had to drag me away from it, last year at Garlits sucked for me, it was my last couple of days before I moved 2100 miles away, at least I get to go again this year

rb70383

08-20-2002, 08:03 PM

Hey so would it be easier to use T2 electronics, or T1 electronics, for the 2.0 conversion? Or some hybrid of both, or just hack some neon connectors and cut and splice?

FearThe4Doors

08-21-2002, 05:10 AM

i would use T1 or T2.. depending on which car its going in. Afterall, there's no big diff between T1 & 2 electronics. The Charge Temp Sensor is useless.

Put a dist on the cam

Might have to swap out some sensors to early dodge ones if the plugs are wrong.. or the v readings. You would have to talk to Neil Emiro about that.. he put the T3 in the neon. I know he did a lot of custom wiring and programming to it.

Seeing as how it would be turbo and reach + pressure on the MAP and such, the 2.0 ecu would be confused. The cal on the T1/2 ecu wouldnt be terrible impt anyway since you would be controlling boost and fuel manually i'm sure.

rb70383

08-21-2002, 07:03 AM

Yip planning on using old T1/2 electronics for now. Just something to get it running. The puter cant twell what engine is in there as long as it has all its required inputs. other than that.............

FearThe4Doors

08-21-2002, 02:34 PM

"for now"? What's in the future? I wouldnt try 2.0 electronics.. If you're gonna do something, do stand alone. But I would think T1 wuld be fine. Thats what the neon headed shadow has

rb70383

08-21-2002, 04:25 PM

I know then I wouldn't have to rewire the car. As far as the "for now"; refering to a stand alone system.

4sfed 4

08-22-2002, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by "mpbiv"

Ok I think I'll stick with the 2.2/2.5 then, just have to use more boost :twisted:

Just find a 16V Lotus 2.2. Those heads flow on par with a Neon head.

rb70383

08-22-2002, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by "4sfed 4"

Ok I think I'll stick with the 2.2/2.5 then, just have to use more boost :twisted:

Just find a 16V Lotus 2.2. Those heads flow on par with a Neon head.

Well I wanted to keep it kind of easy....I have never found a Lotus head in the yard (duh) or one in my price range. I think a 2.0L 2.4L in an "L" would be nice.

mpbiv

08-22-2002, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by "4sfed 4"

Ok I think I'll stick with the 2.2/2.5 then, just have to use more boost :twisted:

Just find a 16V Lotus 2.2. Those heads flow on par with a Neon head.I have yet to see a TIII in a scrapyard, but if I do, I will pull it lickity split :D

However a TI or TII is probably what will go into my car. I'd rather this engine than a TIII because it would be cheaper.

FearThe4Doors

08-22-2002, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by "4sfed 4"

Ok I think I'll stick with the 2.2/2.5 then, just have to use more boost :twisted:

Just find a 16V Lotus 2.2. Those heads flow on par with a Neon head.

stop getting the new kid's hopes up! LOL

4sfed 4

08-22-2002, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by "FearThe4Doors"

Ok I think I'll stick with the 2.2/2.5 then, just have to use more boost :twisted:

Just find a 16V Lotus 2.2. Those heads flow on par with a Neon head.

stop getting the new kid's hopes up! LOL

Well, you cant just throw a Lotus 16V head on an otherwsie "normal" 2.2.

The best way to do it is with a donor 16V car. You take the entire driveline and all electronics out of the donor car and drop them in the L body. This swap would be much easier and cheaper than making a Neon head work. A good and complete 100% running donor 16V car can be found for $2000-$3000. AS far as Turbo Dodges go, they are expensive! But, after having both 8V and 16V Dodges, the 16V is so far superior (in stock form) that it really isnt even a comparison.

mpbiv

08-22-2002, 09:29 PM

Don't worry I already know about all this stuff, I just like to dream. My real plans are to build a common block TI with a stout bottom end so I can turn up the boost later. I don't really want a hybrid engine, or a TIII, but its something to think about after college is done :D

4sfed 4

08-22-2002, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by "mpbiv"

Ok I think I'll stick with the 2.2/2.5 then, just have to use more boost :twisted:

Just find a 16V Lotus 2.2. Those heads flow on par with a Neon head.I have yet to see a TIII in a scrapyard, but if I do, I will pull it lickity split :D

Ask Jeff about that. That lucky bugger found a Spirit R/T at Cophers awhile back.