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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 06:08 PM
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the first one was locked... so, I'mma repost it as a solution was not totally found...

Originally Posted by Moccia
I have a 91 300zx n/a and I am having issues with it firing correctly. I thought it was a bad coil pack but after replacing it I found that in fact two of my cylinders wernt firing. When I first pulled coil packs looking for a dead coil pack I found what I thought to be the bad coil pack and replaced it, after starting it and not seeing any change I pulled it and the cylinder was still not firing, no reduced rpms, so I in turn starting pulling the other packs and as I got to the 2nd cylinder I pulled it to yet another no rshared_pm change, I can have both of these coil packs unplugged with no rshared_pm change. I dont know now if it is the coil pack connections that are bad (there is no corrosion on them) or if there is another factor as to why these cylinders arnt firing (bad injectors...idk) what tests can I do to figure out what is wrong? Ohm test the injectors which should read between 10-14ohms is what ive heard, any other suggestions? I also want to note that it starts and idles like this perfectly fine although rather high even when it heats up (around 1100) and when the A/c is turned on it goes lower (900rpms) and when turned off jumps up to 1500 before settling down, which im guessing might just be because of the two dead cylinders. Any suggestions would be great, thanks a lot.
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Sileighty_85
Its probably the Injectors, Early 300ZX's had a wiring issue with the ECU still giving the Inj constant power even when the car is off casuing the coils to die.

Might as well as replace all the injectors if thats the case.

http://www.jimwolftechnology.com/wol...INJFAILURE.pdf
Originally Posted by Petes s13
Ohm test your injectors with a multimeter, just like you posted. Make sure each injector is in between 10-14 ohms, what ever ones aren't are bad and need to be replaced. And pulling the plenum isn't as complicated as it sounds. It only takes roughly 30min to an hour. And your car is a 91, so most likely you have the PTU issue and need to contact Nissan to see if your car is under the recall for a new one. Also you might want to change your wiring harness to an updated efi harness or just get the updated Injectors with Pigtails. http://www.z1motorsports.com/index.php sells all of this. If your injectors aren't dead yet they probably will be.
Originally Posted by ZXTT
No he has a newer PTU

Joe just call me if you have my 495 number and we'll set up a time and I'll come by and look at it.....I got your note last Friday at the meet but so much shit happened that night i lost it. You'll need a DMM though cause I don't have one anymore. If you don't have my number let me know and I'll PM it to you, I don't have your number in my new phone so I can't call you.
Originally Posted by empire
my brother's z does that crap... for him, it was just the coil pack connectors... they wouldn't stay tight.
he also had an updated PTU or whatever it is called, and it was still bad. It caused all kinds of weird, random problems... he got lucky and nissan replaced it for him...
Originally Posted by moccia
Yeah, its a love/hate relationship right now, Im just surprised it still is semi drivable on 4 cylinders, that amazes me lol.
Originally Posted by empire
yeah, that is nissan for ya... My very first 240 ever ran on 2 cylinders and I had no idea...
when my brother's z would be dumb, it would drop anywhere from 1 to 3 cylinders.
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Originally Posted by moccia
Ummm yeah, if you read into this thread you'd notice that Dan is now coming to help me because of this post, and not to mention I dont have money to be buying a new car all the time as soon as it gets "old", If you dont want to give me a few pointers to try out in fixing this old car, then stay out of the thread? I was asking for correct ohms to begin with not "what is this thing that makes my car move", so I was looking for more technical responses than looking for an "internet mechanic". I also dont see what youre trying to do here, youre posting in a nissan/infinity technical forum about how I should stop crying about my car not driving...winner.
Originally Posted by RB20mike
ya any progress? My z32 does the same shit, it doesn't fire on cylinders 1 and 6 right now haha.
Originally Posted by Moccia
I'm waiting for dan to get back at me about coming over and giving me a hand but I'm going to ohm test them first thing in the morning, I've talked to a few people aboutthe issue that work on Z32s and they told me the early year 300's have injector problems which I guess they fixed from 1993 models on, so I'll post first thing tomorrow and if so start pulling my intake mani...
Originally Posted by Petes_s13
Here's a link to help you pull the plenum.
TwinTurbo.NET: Nissan 300ZX forum
You might as well remove the throttle body coolant lines while you have the plenum off.

And here's a helpful z32 FAQ's thread, basically gives you links to z32 DIY's stuff. Show's you how to do just about everything.
Z32 FAQ - Carolinanissans.com
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blah blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda
Originally Posted by Moccia
I think its a lost cause Empire, I've had my 300 for 5 years now and I love Nissan, I guess he took it the wrong way, anyway, I ohm tested all of my injectors today and im kind of confused...I got between 12.8-14 ohm readings on 5 of my injectors (I had to re-clean one of them which is no longer not firing) so im back to 5 cylinders, the puzzling thing is on the last cylinder I got no reading what so ever, I cleaned it for about 15min it looks like brand new contacts no green corrosion but still no reading, im guessing that means its just 100% dead? And for everyone having this similar problem my suggestion would be take your time and clean each injector as best as you can as well as the plug, and buy some contact cleaner, helped one of my cylinders...
Originally Posted by empire
yeah, if you aren't getting any reading at all, then the injector is totally done.

its awesome that cleaning that one fixed the problem.

I forget what the two plugs are called, but standing in front of the engine bay, front, left hand side, those two plugs (I believe they connect the engine harness to the chassis harness, I forget, its been a minute since I've been under the hood of a Z) take those apart and get them nice and clean since you've got the contact cleaner and all of that out.
Originally Posted by Moccia
So I have everything disconnected except the EGR...I cannot figure out for the life of me how to get under there and take it off >.< any help?
Originally Posted by Petes S13
It's on the bottom of the intake plenum on the sides. There's 2 tubes 1 under each throttle body, should have two 10mm bolts on each holding them onto the intake plenum.
I'd just remove the Egr since you have the plenum off, z1 sells a egr elimination kit for $33 bucks. http://www.z1motorsports.com/product...oducts_id=1875

Also I'd go ahead and remove the throttle body coolant lines too.
Here's the write up for that. http://tech.aus300zx.com/Rear_Water_...placement.html
Originally Posted by ZXTT
Joe my 2nd new clutch master should be delivered today, as soon as I install it I'll call you and come over.....Well, as long as some asshole doesn't steal it out of my mailbox again.
Originally Posted by Moccia
Damn, thats shitty, alright sounds good man, I have to write a damn paper for class, but after that im going to work on getting these coolant lines off and this dumb ass EGR and then work on replacing this Injector along with new fuel lines/vacuum lines, the problem im having with the EGR is that its right up against the plenum and the block, I can barely get anything in there to loosen it. And thank you Pete for those links, much appreciated.
Originally Posted by Moccia
Ordered the EGR elimitnation kit, but still looking for a 270cc injector! >.< Called Zdoc they wanted 125+tax...I can find them for 118 on Twintubro.net, any other suggestions on where to find one? Im fine with used...
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 06:29 PM
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did you ever get that injector replaced?
did it solve your problems?

while you are working on stuff, you should make it so your injectors don't have power all of the time. Here's a good write up I found
TwinTurbo.NET: Nissan 300ZX forum - The simplest mod so far... switched power injector rewire.
a lot better than doing that wire jump thing that most write ups tell you to do.
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 06:37 PM
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that may be above his skill level.
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 10:30 PM
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Thanks Empire, and I finally got a PM from my WTB in Nissans shit for sale. So Im waiting for him to reply back to me and I will go pick them up tomorrow if possible, but since I have everything else out Im doing the water jacket bypass, EGR block-off, and just encase (since it was a fuel problem and since it was clearly stated before that my car IS in fact 20 years old) I bought a brand new fuel damper, and fuel regulator. Oh and I hope you know we are working on my car all weekend Dimitri...
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 10:35 PM
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That soldering job is god awful...I feel like if I attempt to do this job I will mess it up, but if Dimitri wants to take a stab at it, he is much better than me at wiring stuff lol.
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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 05:56 AM
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fuck that shit. i'm going to busch gardens when i come into town lol
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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 08:51 AM
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Lol well maybe I will give it a try, it doesnt look TOO bad...Anyway, the kids that PMed me about the injectors had 93-96 ones, not what I need >.< So im pulling the plenum today and finding an injector still...
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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 10:46 AM
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I cannot figure this out...I have taken EVERYTHING off of this plenum, I even re went through all the steps and still nothing, it wont even budge, do I need a crane to pull this thing off? I mean it hasnt come off in 20 years...I cant find anything else connected to it ( yes I took the bolts on the sides and top off). Any suggestions? or something that I might have missed that wont even let it budge? It has no give to it what so ever, I cannot figure it out >.< (and yes I also got the EGR lines to come off)
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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 10:58 AM
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you have to pry it off. i have taken a few off and you really have to pry it.
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