where is the nearest autocrossing events? [Archive]

138MustangGT

03-06-2002, 02:19 PM

Why dont you read some of the posts here? This is a dumb quetion in that the answers are RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU!!!!

Otherwise there are autocrosses in Gainesville Tampa St Pete Ft Myers Orlando Jacksonville Palm Bay... where do you want to autocross and which weekend I am sure you can find an event if you ask more specifically.

Is there an autocross (enter date) in (name city) or nearby?
Gainesville March 9th + 10th Central FL Region SCCA
St Pete March 24th Sunriders Miata Club
St Pete March 23rd Porsche Club
Tampa April ?? + ?? CFR SCCA (@ State Fairgrounds hopefully)
Orlando May 26th CFR SCCA
(I dont keep track of FtMyers Jax or Palm Bay)

UNTAMEDG60

03-07-2002, 04:17 PM

well lets see here since this is a TAMPA forum i thought i would be near TAMPA.....cuz i would think i would want near TAMPA...and did i ask when no i didnt so you can shut the hell up and never say that again! (and thanks for your help)

138MustangGT

03-07-2002, 05:47 PM

Look pansy I wasnt flaming or calling you a moron or anything. Just kinda nudging you meaning uhhh look in front of you...

You probably wont race anyhow. Everyone is always like Im gonna race Im gonna race that means Im not a poser!!! and then they never race. The best intentions of actually driving... dont mean jack.

PLEASE prove me wrong! I might be an ass but its just to make you show up! Actually Im not an ass in real life Im ranting now...

Honestly though there were plenty of autocrosses listed did you think we were holding out on some? (heh heh Im not gonna tell anyone about this one... not unless they ask!) lol

Welcome to the autox scene.

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03-07-2002, 06:05 PM

OKAY...ILL PULL THIS WEBSITE OVER AND MAKE YOU BOTH WALK HOME RGHT NOW!!!!

HAHA!!! Yeah man...I agree. If you talk smack (you being a general term) and never even show up at a single Autocross event then you are legally classified as a poser. Most rice rocket posers are too chicken to show up and watch themselves get schooled by people like me in my family hauling bone stock 1st gen Altima!!! Hahaha! So come on all you posers and bring it!Bring your V-tec smeetec and be whipped to a frothy ooze by by 4 door slow-mobile!!!!

You know drag racing is cool....I love to do it too but its not about money spent on a car that makes you rank well in your class in a autocross Id say its 75% skill and 25% car.

Okay did I get you all wanting to come out and race? Realisticly...Im really not that good at autoXing. Heehee. But at least I try.
:p

vwbidder

03-07-2002, 08:43 PM

Currently I am a poser I admit it but I would someday like to do any type of auto racing (other that just drag) that I can do in a normal car (or even my wifes minivan). Is there a website or something you recommend where I could find out whats required to participate in these races? About a year ago I was briefly looking into SCCA racing but it seemed like it would take a year of training and expensive schools just to participate. I would just like to safely and legally (well who cares about legal) race a normal steet car (or minivan) around a track with other people that would like to do the same thing. If something like this really exsists please let me know.

Durdan

03-08-2002, 07:01 AM

theres no schools involved.. just good tires good brakes and alot of patience.. you can race novice class in SCCA or just come out to the sunriders and have a blast! either way its fun...

i should have my new tires soon and its all over on the course!

vwbidder

03-08-2002, 07:18 AM

Can I drive your cute little Miata!!!! I wish!

138MustangGT

03-08-2002, 12:14 PM

I started on my street tires even! All it cost was the entry fee for the event! (I went ahead and bought membership too because I love this shit)

Within 2 months I decided to get a spare set of rims and a set of race only tires to appease my wife after I flatspotted my aquatreads! I bought some Kumho VictoRacer V700s... oh god yes they stick!

(NOTE: Goodyear Aquatreads are NOT to be confised with any type of performance tire... they suck to high heaven but are good in the rain If you MUSt buy Goodyear get Eagle ZRs otherwise for street tires buy Kumho 712s or Falken Azenis)

Autocrossing is a relatively cheap sport that is less stressful on your car than dragracing. AND it teaches you how to handle a 25mph curve at 45mph! Best of all it has nothing to do with reaction time!

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03-09-2002, 01:22 AM

Many people seem to intimidated by autocross events but its really quite simple. You show up with $25 bucks. go to the registration table and sign up you and your car. They give you a number and tell you when youll race and when youll corner marshall. A corner marshall or course worker is someone that picks up cones that get knocked over and makes sure cars stay on course etc. Every driver will be expected to work the course. (its easy...and gives you a good perspective of the cars on track)
Afterwards you have your car inspected by a club member. They check to make sure you have tires that arent bald or flat that you have as many lugs as you should on each wheel that you have seatbelts and a battery tie down.
Youll need a helmet or you can usually borrow a loaner from the club. At sunriders loaners cost $5.
Then you wait till you race and have fun. Dont worry if you suck your first time out. Most people at auto-x events are really cool and are there to have fun. Ive seen cars spin out and clear half a dozen cones and everyone just cheered!
Sunriders is a great place to cut your teeth (what an old person saying!) For your registration fee they also feed you lunch!

If you want to learn more about what to expect go to:
http://www.autocross.com/autoc/started.htm

I got this link from: www.autocross.com

later-Ben

97 Whitesnake

03-11-2002, 04:46 AM

Originally posted by "Someone"

Originally posted by untamedg60
well lets see here since this is a TAMPA forum i thought i would be near TAMPA.....cuz i would think i would want near TAMPA...and did i ask when no i didnt so you can shut the hell up and never say that again! (and thanks for your help)
You have a really great way of making friends. Im sure you will get along really well with people on here.

UNTAMEDG60

03-11-2002, 08:16 PM

well since my car is a piece of shiii i wont be gonig fora lil bit but you can count on it i will be there once i get all my brakes and new ball jointsand motor/trannymounts on my car(not to metion i jus got fired for my other job so it ill take a while)and i jus want to kno where it was so i could go check it out and i aint kno poser or a pansy im not a dick in real life either.. check you lata

Riot

03-11-2002, 08:27 PM

...autocrossers...fear corrados... :evil2:

taka86fc

03-12-2002, 03:34 AM

This is my question. How many times can you run a day in other auto-x? I run Gainesville SCCA auto cross for 4 times only. I need more runs.

138MustangGT

03-12-2002, 10:42 PM

Yeah Taka... we all need more runs. I was the damn Event Coordinator and the Regional Solo2 chairman called the event. We planned on doing fun runs both days. but got scrammed both days.

Im upset and I will not let that happen again. I agree that it is ludicrous to pay $30 for 4 runs...

taka86fc

03-12-2002, 11:06 PM

I think we had 2 more hours Sat. Do you know why we didnt have fun run? We all should e-mail SCCA.

svtjesse

03-12-2002, 11:24 PM

Get pissed Taka tell em whats on your mind.

Oh and what did happen to fun Runs??

Jesse

138MustangGT

03-13-2002, 08:21 PM

Basically those of us who ran the event were all sun burnt even with sun block... and tired from working all morning and afternoon. Remember we run with no lunch break straight through. Usually there is a lunch break and still 2 hours left for fun runs. We had to make a course still and maybe eat? If it was a 30 second course like most other sites youd have gotten more runs. BUT this is a fast 60 second course. Yo ugot 4 runs instead of 8.
But dont fret Saturdays in Gainesville will not be run like that again. Practice days will be run dufferently from now on. I dont havetime to explain HOW exactly but youll do more runs.
We SHOULD have done fun runs but as usual our safety stewards left. With no volunteers to safety steward there can be NO runs.
Find out how to get qualified to be a Safety Steward and then you can let us do fun runs. I havent gotten that qualification yet Im just now learning how to run an event.
If you want more give more. Ive given all I can.
-Shawn

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03-14-2002, 08:39 PM

Maybe on occasion clubs should limit the amount of cars to race. Put a cap on it by having drivers pre-register. Hold the limit at like 30 cars or something. Im not saying do this all the time but perhaps every once and awhile. It is frustrating to pay $30 bucks to show up and get 3 or 4 runs! And it never seems fair that you dont get any fun runs! Especially when you know club members have been trying out the track all morning long...then they walk away with the wins in most classes!

Leonard

03-14-2002, 09:15 PM

I think you guys are being awful unfair to the guys who put these events on for us. I myself am very new to the autox scene. Saturday was the 3rd event in which I participated. I love it and have had an absolutely GREAT time every time Ive gone out. I understand where you are coming from regarding the number of runs you have been getting. We ALL want more seat time. I also thing youre being very selfish. Every time Ive gone there has always been requests for help within CFR SCCA to help sponsor and put on events. Ive talked to some of the guys about it and I want to become more involved. There is so much work that goes into sponsoring one of these events. They have to make arrangements with the track police ems insurance companies. Theyve got to make sure that they have certian scca officials present at the event -- things like safety steward chief of timing & scoring chief of tech driving instructors etc etc etc. Without some of them (like safety steward) the liability insurance companies wont cover the event and NOBODY runs. Period.
The bottom line is they need reliable help to put these events on. Saturday Shawn grabbed me and asked that I work registration. This was around 8:30 and they hadnt even had opportunity to lay out the course and I know for a fact that nobody did any runs prior to the first run group. Alot of the guys who are are involved in sponsoring events do so because they enjoy autox and some of them have been running autox for a very long time. What a shame that the most experienced driver do better... some schlep at his first autox should be getting the trophy right?
As far as limiting the number of participants I dont think that is financially feasible. 30 cars at $30 each is $900.00. If you look at http://www.gainesvilleraceway.com/test_track.html youll see that track rental for the day is $1500. Those number dont work and we would soon be without an SCCA to insure the events and wed all be out alot of fun.

I think its time that we all thank Shawn and Frank and all the rest of the people who help put these things on. The do far more than most of us realize and we all benefit from their efforts. Heck maybe some of you guys who want more runs should volunteer to help out more... you might just like the results...

138MustangGT

03-15-2002, 03:26 AM

Id not go as far to say that they were being unfair. I put on the damn event and I think we should have gotten more runs too.
It is unfortunate that the cards didnt play out for this to happen. the problem is being addressed.

As far as us prerunning the course! Thats Malarky!
Saturdays course wasnt created until 745am everyone watched us make it. The first car to drive it was the first car of the first run group.
Sundays course was a tad different. Once we finished making it 3 cars drove on it. Me with 3 passengers so my car would not handle at all and at half speed so we could determing if the turns were turnable. Jesse Naughton with 3 passengers once again at half speed and on his daily driven tires so we could get hte FWD perspective. And John Arruda whose car is SP and modded to high heaven. He rode with me only and was going HELLA FAST into the finish corner his run is WHY we decided to slow the finish. If we had not done this Sundays course would have changed after the first car drove it. That would be unfair.
The course we ran Sunday had NO map to guide us in building I do have the plan on my computer but I had no map to create it from. It was a completely custom course from memory. SO we had to test it. None of the people who tested the course won anything. SO phbbbt! lol

Everyones concern is not getting enough runs for the money. SCCA Members are getting a $5 discount at the next Gville Solo2. Frank has more of a grasp on how well we are covering expenses for the events in Gainesville so we can now offer a discount. Remember the track costs $1500 and insurance costs $700 (about). These costs may be more I am unsure. There is also maintenance on the van the price of registration cards trophies stickers FREE EVENT cards for new memebers gas money for the van the price of batteries for the new radios and numerous other nickel and dime things. This time I think it was said we made possibly $200? So this is what is justifying a reduction in members entry fees. This $200 pays for the radios that Frank bought during the last event. We still barely break even. Now you know the whole inside scoop on the SCCA and events at Gainesville. We cannot cap entry #s because well never break even unless we run 80 cars a day.
Sorry.

PLEASE offer suggestions and solutions when you complain. It gives me something to take with me when I go to bat for you guys!

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03-15-2002, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by "Someone"

Originally posted by 138MustangGT

Id not go as far to say that they were being unfair. I put on the damn event and I think we should have gotten more runs too.

As far as us prerunning the course! Thats Malarky!
Saturdays course wasnt created until 745am everyone watched us make it.

...cannot cap entry #s because well never break even unless we run 80 cars a day.
Sorry.

PLEASE offer suggestions and solutions when you complain. It gives me something to take with me when I go to bat for you guys!

Regarding the pre-running...I dont know about the race you organized. Im not even saying its a common occurance. Maybe what I thought I saw was you just said...club guys testing out the course. True dat.

I never meant to sound like a complainer. Id be the first to give props to those that organize and sanction auto-x events.
I am also one of those people that are willing to pick up cones and help out with duties before or after events.

I see your point about the cap. But some people might be willing to pay a bit more if they know theyll get more track time on occassion. Thus eliminating a need for a large number paying drivers and vehicles. Allowing for more run times. Now this could be just an occasional thing. And like I said before...this is just a suggestion for a possible solution. Just brain storming here no complaining.

Leonard

03-15-2002, 04:09 PM

Now youve got me thinking........ I dont even know if something like this would be possible but I think it could work.

Figure that the hard costs for a day at GIR are $2200.00 (1500 for the track and 700 for insurance). Get like 15 people together to chip in $150 each. (pricey I know but worth it for the seat time in my opinion).

I envision an event something like this. The course should have a minimal number of cones necessary in order to keep speeds at safe levels and such that you can do multiple laps without going through staging each time. Divide it into two running groups. One works one runs. Each individual goes out and runs 10 laps and then goes to the back of the staging line. Cones are only reset between runs (you knock a cone down on lap 1 it stays down for your next 9 laps). We have a cone reset team that drives the course (2 guys in the back of a hatchback and a driver) for cone resets between competitors. Each group does 3 runs and then the groups switch duties.

I dont know if its feasible or not.... and it would be kind of expensive (you could add more people and decrease seat time). But I figure people would get between 20 and 30 minutes of seat time. I think people would definitely have to preregister and prepay for this as it has to be financially feasible for the club.

Comments or Suggestions anyone?

lstepnio

03-15-2002, 05:14 PM

Heck I would easily pay $150.00 to privatly rent the course with 15-25 other cars. I just dont know how big GIR would be rent out the course to a bunch of non sanctioned yahoos like us. I also think isurance is going to more expensive without a sanctioned body. I see this being a saftey concern without a sanctioned body like SCCA making sure we dont get in trouble. I could be wrong they might only see dollars. On the otherhand they do advertise rentals of the course on the website and I think the fees are quite reasonable. If someone wants to look into this Ill gladly pay $100-$200 for a day filled of runs.

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03-15-2002, 06:21 PM

Now yer thinkin!!! I would pay $150 bucks. Heck if you rent on a weekday it might be cheaper. It would be worth taking the day off too. Or in my case I work weekends and have 2 week days off. Id bet a a lot of TR guys/girls work weekends anyways.

And I love the idea of continueous laps! Nothing is more frustrating then having to do one lap at a time!!! Especially at GIR. You want to keep driving!!!! Hahaha!
Assess a penelty for every cone knocked down. And to self police have racers pay a buck for every knocked over cone! Car with fastest time of day wins the dough! Heeheehee!

Seriously I think it would be cool. what does it take to be a sanctioning body anyways? As far as I know you dont have to be SCCA or something to rent the track. Afterall the track can be rented to private teams. You probably have to sign all kinds of waivers and stuff for insurance reasons. Its not like you can wreck anything there either. No walls no barrriers nothing. You go off the track and you dig up some grass thats about it.

If you were able to get something like this going the biggest roadblock might be no timing gear. And that would suck without it.

Leonard

03-16-2002, 11:01 AM

I think it would be far easier to run it with SCCA sanctioning as a special training event if they were willing. They already have means to get insurance. GIR is going to require that those running the event have liability insurance. Mainly because if somebody gets REALLY out of whack and goes careening into anything (staging line? course workers spectators somebody flips catches on fire and burns the track) somebody has to handle all of that. Granted this is all pretty unlikely but.... well all we can do is thank the overpopulation of lawyers in our country for that.... Anyhow

There are insurance companies out there that will that will do this kind of thing but its not really feasible for us from what Ive read (read here: http://corner-carvers.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1514 )

So needless to say I think this would be easiest to run with SCCA support. Maybe charge nominaly more than the event would cost to run and let the proceeds go to CFRSCCA for equipment. We need to find out what kind of interest there is in this sort of event. My biggest fear is that more people will be interested than we can have in a single event to keep track time up near 30 minutes per person. I kind of like the concept of this though. Its like a hybrid between autox and open track. I would love to open track my car but Im afraid that it would get damaged... I just dont feel comfortable going down to sebring and out on the track with twenty other people.

There are going to be some issues we have to work out with the multiple lap thing... two really big one. Those people on street tires are very likely going to see their tires get VERY host and fade.... Also most people are going to see MASSIVE brake fade. Ill be ~okay in the Cobra (OEM 13 inch dual piston brembos are nice although my pads will probably be insufficient and I may boil my brake fluid as well as anyone else) but 10 laps at a time may well be two much for the masses without cooldown time for tires and brakes.

Shawn!!! Do you have any thoughts????

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03-16-2002, 05:45 PM

I dont think you have anything to worry about concerning tire temp and brake fade. The track is not as big as Sebring or anything. Total course length is 1.6 miles I believe. But that is all the roads combined.
Id estimate a total lap time of just over a minute for most cars and top speeds would most likely not exceed 65-70mph. In fact you want to design a course that doesnt allow for too high a speed. Thats when people end up doing something stupid.
So applying the brakes at those speeds wouldnt be much an issue for any cars even stock.

Id be curious to see what insurance coverage would cost for a single event if we needed it. Also the idea about raising the cost per driver to allow for money to go torwards the Central Florida Region SCCA club in exchange for use of their track gear is a great idea!

138MustangGT

03-16-2002, 09:29 PM

OK FYI the track supports an open lap time of 1:15.00 if you are taking it easy Trust me. ;-)

SCCA has events like this theyre called Solo 1 AND ARENT THAT EXPENSIVE!!! But they do not give you 30 minutes of track time.

I dont know anything about Solo 1 but will learn in April. Dont expect to have anything get done by this summer but we might be able to do a cool event like that this year sometime.
EVERYONE wasnts to open track but that happens to be reserved for cars that have cool things like roll bars and fire systems(or at least an extinguisher). Its not for our gimpy solo2 cars Solo 1 trials are our introduction venue before we get interested in things like club racing. JOIN THE SCCA get acquainted with the type of racing offered and lobby your local SCCA board for the type of event you want to run in. It happens that way.

As far as costs are concerned we are giving Gville Raceway a hassle about event costs just because of the input you guys (and a few others) have given. You tell me stuff I pass it up the chain and it hits Gville raceway slam in the mouth. Hopefully theyll be reeling from the possibility of less events and lowere the price!

Oh and I know you werent complaining or getting pissed about the predriving... Im sure you noticed that no one even launched. It is perfectly expected to ask questions when you think something unfair is going on.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions! keep them coming.

Leonard

03-17-2002, 12:21 PM

Yeah I know a little about solo I. Im more interested in this for personal enjoyment than I am for competition. That and so I can do my wild stuff in a safe environment and drive like a sane member of soceity on the streets :evil3:. I just want the seat time. I enjoy it I go home with a HUGE grin on my face. Its great! Did I say I want more seat time?

Shawn you better watch out next time... youre tires are no longer the equalizer... Ive got a set of 17x8s off a 96 cobra in the garage and am ordering kumhos to go with em on monday. :wiggle:

138MustangGT

03-18-2002, 12:05 AM

Yeah Ill see you get one second faster lol! You better start putting like 3 seconds on me! God forbid I get the cashflow started and my suspension on board. I wont tell you when I get it Ill just watch your face when you see my times. (I love messing with you!)

I have some video to show you... its on the low down.

Leonard

03-18-2002, 09:51 PM

Ok lets just get this straight buddy... :D Youve had those nice stickys for quite a while now and we are running REALLY close. With those stickys you get to carry speed through turns (and for some reason have a high number of DNSes and hit far too many cones). Ive had to resort to treating an autox track like a whole bunch of consecutive drag races with near stops in between for turns (not quite that bad but my IRS doesnt do me much good due to a lack of traction). So.... you had better just watch out cuz Im gonna be running alot quicker next time around... Actually I expect to be pulling 5 to 6 seconds on you... The IRS isnt a hog through the slalom like your solid rear...

Ive got the budget for some more toys too... H&R springs (700-760 progressive rate all around) bilsteins and poly bushings EVERYWHERE.... (ive put the gears and exhaust on hold for a bit) :) :) :) Tee Hee Hee

138MustangGT

03-19-2002, 12:07 AM

Whatever... I remember you were slower then me before I got the Kumhos... then you learned how to drive and I got tires and were in the same place again.
Well see I keep talking about suspension but will never get it! My wife keeps spending ALL our money on other shit even the money I saved up for mods by selling my motorcycle parts.
Ill just have to drive better. Theres no excuse for your 80+ hp advantage and IRS rear to lose to Kumhos only and an AUTOMATIC TRANNY to boot!
Dont buy a suspension! GO BUY LESSONS FROM EVOLUTION!!! LOL

I love talking shit!

Leonard

03-19-2002, 12:34 PM

Ok... lets see...
Event #1: FSF 09/09/01. Leonard: 54.451 Shawn: 54.657
I win (by a hare but it was my FIRST ever autox so bite me!)

Event #2: GIR 01/26/02. Leonard: 64.574 Shawn: 64.656
I win (by a hare again but I believe you had the Kumhos)

Event #3: GIR 03/09/02. Leonard: 63.399 Shawn: ?????
I dunno. Wasnt a points event so the times arent posted.
So.... I guess Ill wait for you to post your fast time.
FYI: I did run a 62.544 +2 cones with a finish line spinout
at 65mph. :P

So I guess all of your shit talk goes nowhere. The bottom line: Im not losing to you. You need to sheck your facts next time. I figure the kumhos are worth at least 5 seconds. I guess you had better beg the boss for some cash to get your suspension cuz the kumhos are ordered......

heh heh heh.....

138MustangGT

03-21-2002, 12:46 AM

I hope youre just talking shit when you say Kumhos are worth 5 seconds...
If you really think that you are very deluded.

If that were the case youd post FTD with a Cobra and not even one of the National level drivers could do that in either of our cars.

And to note even if you always have squeaked by me before...
IRS
Whats your rated HP? Mine is only 215.
SVT tuned suspension
subframes
manual transmission
3.27:1
versus---
kumhos
automatic
ram air (acts as CAI until 60+mph)
2.73:1
YOU WIN you should be beating me. I ran a 62.8 first on Saturday then a 61.6 a DNF and a 62.4.

(I hope I dont detect a hint of you taking this personally I am just trash talking to keep you in here... I could care less if I win note that I am running in SM with a car that barely fits in ESP)
Later

Leonard

03-21-2002, 10:14 AM

My rated HP would be 320. :wiggle: Im really not able to put any of that power down through the turns without upsetting the back end of the car. Look what happened at the finish line... and I wasnt even at 1/3 throttle when the back started to go. I just think the tires are gonna make a HUGE difference. I really doubt itll be five seconds but hey... you never know (and I will would have been 3 seconds behind saturdays FTD... As I recall Frank busted out with a 54.something on his last run... :cry:

Well just have to wait and see how much I beat you by next time....

PUNK!

(Oh and dont worry... Im talking shit too.. youre a creampuff compared to the band of gypsie soceital rejects I work with )

138MustangGT

03-21-2002, 10:31 AM

funds have been authorized

now I am going to wait.
Get your Kumhos. Ill race as is... then for the event AFTER that Ill put the suspension on. And well have a comparison! true to life!
This is better than a MM&FF shoot out! Heck Ill even email them and see if they wanna do an article! lol

gypsies? where do you work? a hair salon? a brothel? Mons?

later@!

Leonard

03-21-2002, 11:05 AM

Seriously though what do you think theyll be worth? How many seconds?

lstepnio

03-21-2002, 11:17 AM

Im a gypsie soceital reject co-worker.... He really should be talking... LOL!

Meep Meep. ;)
http://www.tamparacing.com/hebb/upload/deargodmakeitstop.jpg

Leonard

03-21-2002, 01:40 PM

No youre the psychopathic offroad king!

138MustangGT

03-22-2002, 02:10 PM

2 maybe 3 on the Gainesville course (3 if there are tight slaloms and more turns)
only 1 at the fairgrounds due to the shortness of the course but maybe 2

I used Jesse as a benchmark for me...
he was 4 seconds ahead of me before Kumho
then 1 seconds at States 2 seconds in rain 1.8 dry and one second this last event (ignoring his cone) after Kumho

I gained an average 2 sec on him.

PEOPLE ARE MAKING OFFERS ON MY MOTORCYCLE IF IT SELLS I AM GETTING MORE PARTS once the playing field is leveled (not really since youll be on 245 wide at least and I run 225/50/16s) I will be walking you (by .01seconds)

Leonard

03-22-2002, 07:12 PM

See I just think that I might get a little more benefit from them than you. You have a lot more suspension issues holding you back than I do (not to say that I dont have my fair share -- thats what you get when you drive a 79 fairmont) but I really feel like the tires are holding me back a bit more than that. Time will tell. Im getting them mounted/ballanced tomorrow and putting some hwy miles on them to get them prepped.

Im looking at suspension mods once I get the feel for the current suspension on the race tires... Im really thinking hard about coil-overs.... :eek: anyhow... well see how it turns out next time around.

138MustangGT

03-23-2002, 06:50 PM

Put a good 20-50 mile drive on them then take them off the car.
Dont let them cool under the weight of the car theyll develop slight flat spots.
I do suspect youll be closer to the three second range of improvement. BUT you were taking some lines wrong on the course too. Your car has 2 more GOOD seconds in it before you even switch tires.
Our cars are fast. Even for 79 Fairmonts! God dont you love chassis recycling.

Leonard

03-24-2002, 12:27 AM

First things first. I put the tires on the car tonight. Made a quick trip around the block (ok a couple of blocks 2-3 miles but they are still cold so its ok) just cuz I couldnt wait until tomorrow to try them out. HOLY SHIT!!!! They kick ass cold! I cant wait to warm em up!!!! I am AMAZED! I thik youre gonna be really surprised at the next event.

Where do you think I was taking wrong lines? I know I had a little bit of time left on the old tires but I dont think it was anywhere near 2 full seconds on the street tires I have at the moment. If I still had the comp t/as Id agree but those shit street tires Ive got at the moment were drifting all over the place.

Anyhow I cant wait until morning so I can go put some miles on the tires. Gotta drop one of my street tires off at the tire place too... I noticed tonight when I was switching tires around that I got a nail in one of them. Dead smack in the center of the middle of the tread..... <grumble>

lstepnio

03-29-2002, 01:02 AM

Lenny how did your new tires feel the next morning? You do realize that Im going to want a ride along at the next event. :)

I was really torn between the Falken Azenis and the Kumho V700. I ended up choosing the Falkens due to SCCA classing and the cost savings factor. I will be mounting the $83/tire Falkens on my spare $200 stock rims this weekend. Im planning on keeping them on my car for a few days to break them in a bit and check for any defects. ;)

before:
http://www.bridgestone-usa.com/products/tirephotos/re92.JPG
after:
http://www.tamparacing.com/hebb/upload/tirepic.gif

:)

Durdan

03-29-2002, 07:11 AM

youll love the Adzenis. i cant get mine to break lose at all.. its sweet! but i cant live the drift anymore

Leonard

03-29-2002, 11:56 AM

Lets put it this way... theyre still on the car and have been since Sunday. (for three reasons really.. 1. They rock. 2. Im lazy. and 3. Im a dumbass and lost my lugnut key... I just got the new one in Wednesday but havent had time to take them off.... work sux.

CivEk4

03-29-2002, 06:42 PM

I normally run in SM w/ my civic I want to run at gainesville but I wont until I get my roll cage in. Im too worried about the fact that the run-off room there is grass/dirt. I will be attending the events at Palm Bay on 4-7; VCC in Orlando on 5-26; and also the event at Sebring in early June which is supposed to coincide w/ a Club Racing event to bring the two groups together. Hope you guys can make it out to one of these events and get me some more competition in SM
http://www.tamparacing.com/hebb/upload/DSC_7429.jpg

RainmanEK

03-30-2002, 01:53 AM

i would love to race you!!! if i can use my national scca liscense then i will be at next solo event! but is steet mod allow diffent engines?

138MustangGT

03-30-2002, 01:18 PM

Gville Raceway is a great surface and you rarely lose it. When people do LOSE IT it is just fine because sand gives until you are slow enough for it to stop you. This site poses a minimal rollover hazard and Id bet it is safer than any otehr site youve ever driven on. All of our safety stewards here are so confident with the course structure and run-off room that I am pretty much open to design whatever I can imagine.

We have had 3 incidents with off courses-
1- a SS Corvette at the State Championships almost hit spectators due to poor course design and the fact that they were less than 40 from the course (not my event it was run by buc region)
2- me going off course sideways then back on coursem then into the aforementioned run-ff area at around 40. Everything was just fine. If you are driving a SM Civic that means (hopefully) you have somewhat of a suspension so youll handle it better than my stock slushstang. I never felt in danger.
3- Jesse Naughton carried too much speed into a corner and came offcourse to the INSIDE of the corner since he was in a full spin. came 25 from a worker who ran and cleaned himself later (j/k).
All of our O/Cs have been safe. If youd feel safer with a roll bar then so be it. I am just trying to quell any doubts you have with the safety of the site. We dont get going too fast we just carry all of that speed throughout the course. Our courses are usually 3000-3500 long and last a minute.

Leonard

03-30-2002, 01:41 PM

Honestly I wouldnt worry too much about going offtrack at Gainsville. All of the ground around the track is compacted as well as the ground under the dirt. Theres a couple of spots down at the far end where the ground drops away from the track level about 100 feet away from the track edge. Ive personally gone off track up there at ~65mph and had no issues. lstepnio has also had a similar expierence in his WRX although at a substantially slower rate.

Check out the CFR SCCA page ( http://www.eec.com/racing ). Frank has put up the rest of the fairgrounds dates for the remainder of the year.

I run SM so Ill see you out there.... :)

lstepnio

04-02-2002, 05:07 PM

No GIR dates?! :(

Leonard

04-02-2002, 06:55 PM

Yeah!! Whats up Mr. Gainsville!!! Any dates up there????

CivEk4

04-04-2002, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by "Someone"

Originally posted by 138MustangGT

We have had 3 incidents with off courses-
1- a SS Corvette at the State Championships almost hit spectators due to poor course design and the fact that they were less than 40 from the course (not my event it was run by buc region)
All of our O/Cs have been safe. If youd feel safer with a roll bar then so be it. I am just trying to quell any doubts you have with the safety of the site. We dont get going too fast we just carry all of that speed throughout the course. Our courses are usually 3000-3500 long and last a minute.
I was at the State Championships spectating and riding in my friends 240sx turbo (the purple one) and I was right where those spectators were up until about 5 min. before that incident when a Porsche 911 almost did the same thing so I decided it was time to move back. The reason I am concerned so much w/ rollovers is the fact that all I have is a 5 point attached to a harness bar which is not a very good setup but its all I got right now. The site I usually run at (Palm Bay/Valencia) have a much less chance of coming in contact w/ grass or dirt which reduces the chance of rollover. I want to run at Gainesville very badly but I dont feel 100% confident nothing will go wrong w/ the grass/dirt runoff area.

CivEk4

04-04-2002, 07:17 PM