Nos vs. Supercharger/Turbo

[b16a2pwr]

Being this forum has been dead lets get this age old question debated.
the bottle vs. blowers which one do you think is the better power adder? Now lets not get into superchargers vs. turbo because they are very similar and can take up a entire other post.

[Zate]

not having any experience with N20 and having heard lots of horror stories about it.. i would say i prefer forced induction of a mechanical nature..

but thats an ignorance vote..hehe.. so it might not count..

id buy and install and run a small 25-50 shot on my car if i found a kit that worked relaibly and had someone to help me install it.. i just dont know about the stuff enough..

i hear it cools ICs down real well though :)

[Scott]

The BIG BLUE BOTTLE ! :D:p:evil::smirk::evil2:

As long as you know what you are doing it is the best thing going. Especially since you can use it at will and the rest of the time your motor is not taking any additional abuse.

Some people will say it is cheating but that is B.S.. I do not call the blower/turbo cars cheaters. They have to set their cars up for boost just like the NOS cars have to set-up for the squueze. Either way they are power adders.

Most people hear horror stories about the bottle because they are hearing it from some 16 year old that just strapped a 200 shot on a bone stock motor.

Both ways are fine with me I just prefer the squeeze.:D

[URFUCT]

Well the thing that I like and dont like about blowers are that they are always there. I know I am never going to run out of juice when I am on the street most guys you that have bottle always have the same comeback when you beat them. I am out of juice. But on the otherside the blower is always there. I am always putting a lot of stress on the motor when I put my foot to the floor which is a reason I dont like racing a lot of ricers or stock domestics. If I had juice I would be able to run them all motor hence less damage on the motor.

[cyanide]

i think it depends on the engine. v8s can handle nitrous really well seeing as how you can run a high shot (distributed over 8 cylinders). now for a 4 cylinder i think a turbo is the best choice. however i like the bottle/supercharger combo. seems to work well for most people (v8s and some 4 bangers alike).

[Sangui]

Bottle+Blower or Bottle+Turbo = WHEEEEEEEEEEEE!:D

[VDubGolfGirl]

Originally posted by "Someone"

Originally posted by Sangui
Bottle+Blower or Bottle+Turbo = WHEEEEEEEEEEEE!:D
bottle+blower=KKKKKAAAAAAAABBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM M

[Scott]

Just a small spray (25-35 h.p.) to cool the inlet air ! ;)

[stangerang]

turbo+charger+surbo+nitrous= my car---:D


im gonna have to go with the juice ont his one.

then turbo

then s/c

then surbo

[Dave]

I have a paxton blower and I was considering a small 20-25 in the inlet just to cool things off a bit :)

[trayfoe]

You get what you pay for.....

[Wildride]

Less money and what?

[trayfoe]

Take two fully built motors one setup for nitrous and the other for a turbo. Now put the equivalent (HP) shot of nitrous that you will also be pushing with a turbo on each of the engines. Run both of them down the track the same number of times (lets say 60 passes) now tear them down and you will see why nitrous is cheaper. And no I have never done this but I talked to a really cool guy in Gville that runs pro 5.0 and he said that 75% of pro 5.0 guys that had superchargers or nitrous have all switched to turbos. He himself was running a pretty hefty shot of nitrous and said that he couldn’t even compete with any of the turbo cars. Turbos are where it’s at...............

[Hondahunter97GT]

i just want nitrous.

[HybridSS]

Nitrous may be harder on parts...just slightly and thats just due to the high loads at low RPM. Not a bunch over a Turbo though. And if you get a progressive controller it wont be any harder. As far as turbos being where its at. Nitrous setups have made gains as of late in the serious track cars. I believe the two fastes cars at Bradenton this sat where both nitrous cars. As a matter of fact they were the only ones to hit over 200 mph. Which actually I am totally amazed about. The last few years turbos have made incredible gains...but nitrous cars are coming on strong lately as well it seems.

[BoostedRS]

the nitrous cars in Pro-50 were killing it all weekend. but those turbos sure do sound mean ass hell.

[HybridSS]

Were they doing well again today? To be honest I am very surprised to hear that. It may have something to do with the warmer weather. Personally I love it when there are multiple combos that can be competitive. For a while there it was all Turbo. Now Nitrous cars seem to be coming back. In one of the IHRA classes(dont remember the name) where anything goes there are some wild setups. Turbos Nitrous cars running 1000 shot of nitrous Blower/nitrous combos. Its great. Those cars are running mid to low 6s at 230-250mph. They have big V8s and actuallly have a few Blown/nitrouse V10 Vipers that compete too.

I believe from a theoretical POV Nitrous is the most efficient power adder. It has just been hard to control the huge shots. I guess all the little gadgets and electronic goodies they have out now have made them comptitive again. Wooohooo. Nitrous rules!!!:bounce:

[ErikaMarie]

If you consider setting a new Pro-50 record doing good then they were doing good again today. Billy Glidden in 1st round of eliminations ran a 6.82@20?.xx

[HybridSS]

Woooohoooo:eek2::wiggle:
NAaaaaawwwwwsssss baby!

[Scott]

Originally posted by "Someone"

Originally posted by 1_fast_stang
If you consider setting a new Pro-50 record doing good then they were doing good again today. Billy Glidden in 1st round of eliminations ran a 6.82@20?.xx

Oh and his 60ft. time was 1.00 flat straight from the tower !

[Scott]

1.00 short times dont impress me. i run consitant .6xx and under with nittos


oh wait that is my reaction time.

[SLVRNBLK]

I personally love the spool up of a Turbo but I also love the instant boost of a Supercharger and NOS is just crazy power!
To each his own I guess.

[88EFSiR1J1]

a friend of mine that lives down the road runs 7.80s in his prostock camero it makes 800hp on just the motor and he uses a 500 shot to give it a total of 1300hp he has been spraying for 3 years with no troubles just something to think about.

[THE_ONE]

TO END ALL DEBATE!!!!
SHOW ME A FORD LIGHTNING FROM THE FACTORY RUNNING NOS NOT BOOST!
SHOW ME AN EIGHTEEN WHEELER THAT COMES STOCK WITH NITROUS NOT BOOST!
SHOW ME ANY FACTORY CAR THAT RUNS NOS STOCK NOT BOOST!
MAN AND THEY LAST ALONG TIME
So you tell me which is better.
$20 a fill, 4 fills a month,"unless your an addict",12 months in a year.
Does anyone have an idea how much more shit you can by for your car, while running boost,and laying off the steroids.
Give it some thought people!!!
AND IF I CANT BEET YOUR NITROUS CAR, I'LL JUST RACE YOU A FEW TIMES TILL YOUR BOTTLE RUNS OUT, THEN I'LL SPANK YOU THE REST OF THE DAY, WHILE EVERYONE CLOWNS YOU, BECAUSE YOU SAID YOUR CAR WAS SO FAST! -----WHEN NO, YOUR BOTTLE IS SO FAST--------TO RUN OUT. :lol:


Fictionally speaking -- If I was running from something, kinda like madd max did, or a bomb about to detonate. What happens when my nos runs out?
---I die?------ BUT BOOST like the energizer it keeps going and going and go--what the hell you know how it ends!!

---------------"IT DOESN'T" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[0HP930]

I'll throw in an engineers perspective on top of all this.

Turbo-S/C-NOS all have the same result; more fuel/air mix per cylinder charge which gives you more power.

If used within reason, the same motor will live the same lifetime with any of these systems as long as the loads the motor can handle are not exceeded. The following are pretty much all the pros and cons of each system.

PROS:
Turbo - Crams more a/f into the engine using energy that would normally be wasted as heat and pressure dumping out of your exhaust pipe.
S/C - Crams more a/f into your engine using energy from your crank.
NOS - Cools the mixture and increases a/f density and is technologically simple.

CONS:
Turbo - Lag and hardware complexity.
S/C - Takes valuable power from the crank.
NOS - Needs recharging with a non-standard fuel. Backfires can also create catastrophic explosions of the intake system if filled with a NOS mix.

So my personal bias is a turbo since it is the most thermodynamically efficient means of forced induction and never needs a recharge. I have concidered a small 25 to 50 shot NOS as a way to deal with my turbo lag, but the fear of a nasty NOS backfire destroying my mechanical FI keeps me from adding a NOS system.

The bottom line is that it is all good (and can even be mixed and matched) depending on which pros and cons you want to deal with. Each person should just pick what system will work best for what they want to do.

[THE_ONE]

Well put!! :)

[GTP2K1]

Tempature is important in a Pro's and Con's line up too

I think if you got a good Intercooler that You can Use a supercharger without the wear and tear that everybody seems to fear. Forcing a given ammount of air into half the space (pressure or boost) Makes the Temp of that Air skyrocket.

My own personal opinion is that.... If you could get a Great Intercooler that a Turbo would probably be the way to go.... W/ A small shot of the No2 To take care of the Turbo lag...That way

1You Launch (turbo is lagging so your not spinning or expirencing wheelhop at least not nearly as bad) 2. Grab & Spray (hopefully when your tires grab your No2 shot will give you a lil boost as that Turbo starts to take you away) 3. Now that your moving nicely Ride that spooled up Turbo to the very end.

The Spray also helps cool things, And like I said before a Bad@ss intercooler will make it all come together without damage (or uneeded stress) on your precious engine.

Of Course this is jus my opinion.