Who will you be voting for?

[MiDiablo]

Eyeblast.tv - A Video Portrait Of Barack Hussein Obama (http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036)

Me? Not Osama whatshisface.

[ODB]

McCain

[shinysideup]

:w/stupid:

[MiDiablo]

Me 3.

[ODB]

The only "change" that Obama will make is all the dollars you "had" will now be ......change.Especially if your not a minority or you are a small business owner.

[StangItMan]

^^^

'Ahhhhhhhhhhh ... some younger ones with much sense, KemoSabe.'

' Yes, there is hope Tonto, he is McCain.'

Hi ho Silver(haired)!

[**CHRIS**]

Eyeblast.tv - A Video Portrait Of Barack Hussein Obama (http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036)

Me? Not Osama whatshisface.

The scary thing is that most Americans are looking the other way on this... all the evidence is there that this guy is a liar, a socialist..and, he hates white people and none of that matters because most Americans are too busy watching sitcom t.v. to really delve deep into this guy.

The video was great, but nothing I haven't already known. I pay attention.

Fuck Barack Obama.

McCain is the worst Presidential nominee our side has ever propped up there, so because of that, our next President will MORE than likely be Obama.

Sad times for America, not that we aren't already going through some but, it is bound to get far worse before it gets better.

[95coBraSVT]

I'm voting McCain also. O'bomber can go to hell.

[351coupe]

I can't vote,but if I could,it would be McCain,not because I like him,but just to keep that sorry motherfucker Obama out of office.

[95coBraSVT]

^ too young? Or "other reasons"?

[ruler]

i dont want to vote this time. I dont feel that there is much of a difference between the two major political parties. If i vote it would be mccain because he is a tough sob but i dont feel any candidate has anything to offer me.

[smokeshow]

Not Obama, and not Hilary... so the lesser of the evils... LOL Mccain it is...

[351coupe]

^ too young? Or "other reasons"?LOL,well,it's not cause I'm too young...

[bvh]

i think if mcain gets in office , he going to do the same bush did. life sux right now . he has alot of the same views as bush . tax cut for companys to move over seas ect . in no way am i saying the black guy is the answer . if any one says this economy is from bill you are fucking retared.

[Stewart Scott]

McCain

[95coBraSVT]

LOL,well,it's not cause I'm too young...Understood. ;)

[BigDawg]

I'll take Obama for a hundred alex. No reason other than if McCain was in office he'd probably die of old age before his first term is up, and his VP would take the helm, now if the VP would happen to be Charlie Crist, I'll swing my vote.

[95coBraSVT]

Old, yes...Physicaly fit and with the body of a younger man? Absolutely. Seasoned? Absolutely. Has life experience? Definatly. Learned from the past? I don't know, but I would hope so. These all describe McCain.

Lets look at O'bomber....

Old? Nope...Physicaly fit with the body of a younger man? Ummm...if you want him to have the body of a 20 y/o...maybe, but I somehow doubt he is actually physicaly "fit"....Has life experience? Not much....Learned from the past? Not old enough to remember far enough back. Data unconclusive.

McCain has more experience than O'bomber, has PROVEN that he is a patriot, and (according to his own physican) can handle the stresses of the presidency.

O'bomber has shown that he does not have as much experience as McCain, has proven that he is NOT a true patriot, and is a known bigot who has ties to islam (even though it's through family...Ever hear the phrase "Blood is thicker than water"?).

O'bomber will destroy this country from the inside out. We are almost already there, we just need a little push, and we will fall. O'bomber will be that push.

[BigDawg]

Here is a good question, why does everyone refer to him as "O'bomber", or middle eastern, or palestinian? Or a jihadist supporter? Where does this information come from?

[95coBraSVT]

That is a good question Ryan. I'll tell you where I got it. I have no idea where everyone else gets it from though, so I can't speak for them.

Obama....O'bomber.....Close, but different..Close enough to make a corelation from one to the other.

Osama....Obama.....again, close, but different....yet again, close enough to make a corelation between the two. Word association....twice now.

Osama = 9/11/01

Obama has middle eastern ties through his islamic father (even though they both claim otherwise now that he is running for presidency)

His middle name is Hussein....Close enough to a certain "Saddam Hussein" to make another word association tie.

He denies that he is a bigot, yet the church that he attends is well known for their bigotry. This isn't a church that he just started attending either. He is a long time member.

People really want someone in presidency that won't even place his hand over his heart during the singing of the national anthem? No, it isn't required or law, but it IS nationally recognised as a sign of respect, and is done at nearly EVERY sports function. (men remove their hats and place them over their hearts, and anyone else places their right hand over their heart.)

I've never heard of him as being a Palistinian.

Jihadist supporter...Well...Look at his life as a whole. He is younger than MOST presidents who have been elected or even run for office. He doesn't have much to look at....Lets look though.

His father was a muslim. He (the father) was raised as a muslim, yet abandoned his faith in his later years. Does the apple fall far from the tree?

When Barak was 5 or 6, his mother remarried to an Indonesian oil manager. they (mother and child) moved to Jakarta, Indonesia at that time. While there, he went to school in muslim schools. Our younger years are the most memorable and influential years of our lives.

Is it possible that he is NOT a muslim? yes.

Is it possible that he IS sincere in his want to run the country? yes.

HOWEVER, there are far too many things and similarities that are against him for me to take that chance and actually vote for him.

[HellofaPrzeFghtr]

I say vote for Obama.
Reason.
The sooner we fall, the sooner we can rebuild anew. There is NO president that can save our country now IMO and McCain is just going to be another Bush.

[95coBraSVT]

I say vote for Obama.
Reason.
The sooner we fall, the sooner we can rebuild anew. :nono: That has GOT to be the stupidest rational I have ever heard. So....In this wonderful dream world you foresee, which country ends up taking us over? I would like to plan ahead you know. If it's Mexico, it's too late, they've already taken over. :lol: If it's Russia, or any middle eastern country, I quit. I'll move to another country....Illegally if I have to. Australia or Japan, here I come.:-o

[ODB]

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I'll take a 10 pack

[95coBraSVT]

^lol

[Just Dave]

I'll take Obama for a hundred alex. No reason other than if McCain was in office he'd probably die of old age before his first term is up,

Like there's any hope of Obama making it through his inaugeration ceremony without taking 1 to the temple from some Alabama redneck?

[bvh]

other than you think he might be a Muslim. he is a bigot, i will agree with that . but i bet McCain in close door Say's n-i-g-e-r . but what platform that obama runs on don't you like ? like getting rid of lobbying / special interest groups out of Washington . he planes on investing in the infrastructure of the USA. not spending billions weekly that goes over seas . so far the only thing u have said 95corba is he mind be Muslim , he docent have experience . I'm not saying I'm right I'm saying if you know hard facts say then . educate me if I'm wrong

[bvh]

why the fuck did it sensor me? [QUOTE=bvh;5451966] but i bet McCain in close door Say's ****** ./QUOTE]

[ODB]

why the fuck did it sensor me? [QUOTE=bvh;5451966] but i bet McCain in close door Say's ****** ./QUOTE]

There is only one guy in this forum that can say the word ******....it's BAMF.

[riverviewnative]

Something just wrong with a Black man in the WHITE HOUSE. Especially a stupid one. Notice how he has changed since he is running for president. Used to be a very intelligent man.

[ShakinIt]

McCain is the worst Presidential nominee our side has ever propped up there, so because of that, our next President will MORE than likely be Obama.

I agree......I don't even wanna vote......I'm Republican, but fuck...I don't want a president that is so fucking OLD and creaky he looks like he might break a hip or die at any moment......



I agree with Bubba the Love Sponge.....I hope McCain picks Charlie Crist to be VP, they win, then McCain dies of old age......



Plus, I gotta be honest, I was a big fan of W......but, it looks to me, right now this country is FUCKED........and it PISSES ME OFF every time I go to the pump and gas is higher and higher and I get poorer and poorer......and yet, ExxonMobil is making BILLIONS each quarter......the rich are getting richer and us poor folk are getting FUCKED

[bvh]

i like that !! charlie is the man I hope McCain picks Charlie Crist to be VP, they win, then McCain dies of old age......

[ODB]

you young white guys fail to see the basic facts...

if a democrat gets in the office....we will be paying more taxes. All the Bush tax breaks will be eliminated...thus more out of your sorry ass pockets.

they are all for minorities....

Obama is the wrong person.....I would rather see Hillary in the house...she has bigger balls than Obama..


Vote republican.....keep it real...

we will be worse of if the dems get in......true story.

[bvh]

what tax breaks are you talking about . me as working class / and apart of a small biz pay more taxes that the really wealthy. so what you just said holds no water at all..

[ODB]

what tax breaks are you talking about . me as working class / and apart of a small biz pay more taxes that the really wealthy. so what you just said holds no water at all..


exactly son:lol: ....do your research on the Bush tax cuts......remeber white boy...the only CHANGE you will get with Obama is pocket change....

Bush tax cut mythology - Paul Krugman - Op-Ed Columnist - New York Times Blog (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/bush-tax-cut-mythology/)


you all should do some research before you pass judgement and say the republicans suck......

before you vote.....dig a bit.

[bvh]

People in the top 20 percent of incomes, averaging $182,700 a year, saw their share of federal taxes decline from 65.3 percent of total payments in 2001 to 63.5 percent this year, according to the study by congressional budget analysts.

In contrast, middle-class taxpayers — with incomes ranging from $51,500 to $75,600 — bear a greater tax burden. Those making an average of $75,600 had the biggest jump in their share of taxes, from 18.5 percent of all payments in 2001 to 19.5 percent this year.

"George W. Bush keeps trying to mislead Americans into thinking we're turning the corner, but truth is that he is turning his back on middle-class families," Kerry spokesman Phil Singer said. "The Bush policies are exacerbating the squeeze that working families have been feeling for the last four years."
... Study: Bush Tax Cuts Favor Wealthy, Congressional Study Finds Middle Class Paying More Of Tax Burden - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/16/politics/main636398.shtml)

[bvh]

lol wow when did i say republicans suck . iv also read more about this trying to make the right choice this Nov , because i did vote republican last time .. all i have said what dose McCain have to offer because it looks like he going to do the same as bush . and his tax cuts are a joke .

[Graves]

McCain for me. A vote the other way is just a dumb move. Might as well disarm our military and let every border jumper in our country.

[ShakinIt]

If Charlie is VP then it's GOP for me.....


But they better FIX this fucking clusterfuck.....or I'm fucking moving to France.......



Ok, not really.....I just slapped myself for saying that......

[MiDiablo]

I think this is really a lesser of three evils at this point. Sucks :(

We need a good ole boy to run the show. One who's not afraid to say what he means, and mean what he says - regardless of who the fuck he offends. Someone with some thick skin, and a big sack of balls.

Fuck, I'm writing in Woody Paige :D

http://somemorre.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/woody-paige.jpg

[Strokd85]

interesting to me how those who defended W on his fuck up of a war when it started are saying it is / was a mistake now... Bush didn't have a clue when it came to economic policy nor foreign policy, McCain might have a better foreign policy, however I don't believe he has a clue when it comes to the economic status of our country and how to deal with it... the comments as to not voting for Obama because of his name, religon, etc are absurd, short sighted, and ignorant..
but it's what I've grown to expect from this crowd...

and have yet decided who i am voting for.. because none of them are the right answer...

[Ford DNA]

It's like going into surgery and getting to choose which limb you want removed.

McCain it is.

[Ford DNA]

interesting to me how those who defended W on his fuck up of a war when it started are saying it is / was a mistake now... ...

I'm one of those. It seriously pisses me off that more Americans have died in Iraq than on 9-11.

[bvh]

good lucky trying to have a intelligent conversation , i simple asked way was McCain was a better choice and nobody could tell me facts . odb try ed to talk to me about tax cuts witch he docent know what hes talking about . and 95cobra played word games with obama name . i have not decided who i will be voting for. the comments as to not voting for Obama because of his name, religon, etc are absurd, short sighted, and ignorant..
but it's what I've grown to expect from this crowd...

and have yet decided who i am voting for.. because none of them are the right answer...

[Jetflat&tripleBlack]

McCain is neither a cunt or a Islamic supporter, Ill take the lesser of the evils.

[95coBraSVT]

and 95cobra played word games with obama name . Woah woah woah!.....You asked why people associate Obomber's name with being a muslim supporter or middle eastern supporter. I answered you why some would think that. I'll find a site that is perfect for comparing the candidates, and you can make an educated decision based on your own beliefs. Give me a few minutes....Ok, maybe a day...it's late and this damn ADHD is messing with me....Where's my cookie again?:lol:

[95coBraSVT]

Ok, here you go....The site I promised is here: COMPARISON OF POSITIONS 2008 AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES SelectSmart.com| President Candidates: Joe Biden, Elaine Brown, Michael Bloomberg Sam Brownback, Wesley Clark, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, John Edwards, Jim Gilmore, Newt Gingrich, Rudy G (http://www.selectsmart.com/president/2008/comparethem.html)

I am more concerned with other issues other than just the Iraq war. We are there, and we need to finish what we started there. Not just pull out prematurely and let the place fall into a bigger cess pool of criminals.

Obama wants to take away your guns bassed on his voting record in 2006

McCain wants to allow you to keep them..again bassed upon his 2006 voting record.

Obama is an admitted drug user.

McCain wants to keep mary jane illegal.

Obama is against the death penalty except in extreem cases.

McCain supports it.

Obama supports fed funded stem cell research.

McCain supports research through existing lines of stem cells, but not new ones.

On the war, Obama wants to pull out. (which I don not support in ANY way)

McCain wants to increase troop levels so we can finish sooner. (which I DO support)
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[bvh]

gun control will never get the right amount vote's to be controlled federally. will be controlled by the state . drug, death penalty are non issues to me the war i dont know the right move so i have nothing to say about that .obana will get rid of lobbyist IE big oil and mcain has big oil giving him money for his campaign . obana has a great infrastructure platform rebuilding bridges , roads , schools , witch by investing in the country will help the economy . and it is NOT good for the economy to give big corps tax break es if they move call centers , assemble plants to another country as bush did . mcain is not the right choice in my eyes . right now the dollar isn't worth shit because of bush I'm afraid McCain will just make it worse!

[gdniel]

McCain

No doubt.

[gtmike]

fuck it...ill just move to Canada.

[ODB]

good lucky trying to have a intelligent conversation , i simple asked way was McCain was a better choice and nobody could tell me facts . odb try ed to talk to me about tax cuts witch he docent know what hes talking about . and 95cobra played word games with obama name . i have not decided who i will be voting for.

really??? you wait and see what you'll be paying for if a democrat is put into office..

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTk4NDBkMjVjNGMwYmE2MGRlNTQ4ZTA4MWNmYWJmMDE=

[BAMF]

really??? you wait and see what you'll be paying for if a democrat is put into office..

Mallory Factor on Tax-Cut Sunsets in 2010 on NRO Financial (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTk4NDBkMjVjNGMwYmE2MGRlNTQ4ZTA4MWNmYWJmMDE=)

Half of the Republicans I talk to say McCain is a democrat anyways, though. :dunno:

Hardcore wingers are hilarious. It'll be nice to have a moderate in office.

[ODB]

It'll be nice to have a moderate in office.

agreed! I am willing to see if this will work!

[Adrenalin]

McCain

Regardless, I hate all politicians equally. The system is flawed and has been exploited so bad that Americans have had to "choose between the lesser of the evils" so much that we seem to almost be okay with it.

And that's all I've got to say about that. (said in my best Forrest Gump voice)

[Shamus O'Toole]

gun control will never get the right amount vote's to be controlled federally. will be controlled by the state . drug, death penalty are non issues to me the war i dont know the right move so i have nothing to say about that .obana will get rid of lobbyist IE big oil and mcain has big oil giving him money for his campaign . obana has a great infrastructure platform rebuilding bridges , roads , schools , witch by investing in the country will help the economy . and it is NOT good for the economy to give big corps tax break es if they move call centers , assemble plants to another country as bush did . mcain is not the right choice in my eyes . right now the dollar isn't worth shit because of bush I'm afraid McCain will just make it worse!

Got a nail in my tire today, must be Bush's fault. Your line of thinking is way screwed up. Please do more research before posting a statement like this. It's politics in general that have this country in the situation it's in today. I realy don't have the time to explain it to you. But Bush's isn't the King of this country. We have a senetors and congressmen that should also be blamed. I don't have the time or energy to explain this to you. Just stop watching biased media and do the research for yourself.

Obamas gonna get rid of the lobbyists.......BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA the some funny shit right there.

[Idlewild]

Obama vs McCain

YouTube - Bar Scene From Knockaround Guys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfeK5xvZcDo)

some differences and simularities Obama def is not built like that, not tough and deff not Jewish. On the inside i'm sure McCain is like the other guy. Its always funny to see dumb rednecks getting beat up.
Just Joking, but this is one of the baddest movie fights scenes.

[95coBraSVT]

lame fight scene, but whatever. Of course, no sound on my puter either, so maybe I missed some of it in the sound. :lol: What I saw in that clip was a redneck getting uppity, a kid wearing a new leather jacket telling him basicly to STFU, and him laughing at said kid, then said kid backing away and letting his muscle vin diesle beat up the redneck. Did I miss anything? Sounds lame to me. Even the actual fighting was lame unless you like to see someone beatup someone who isn't really doing anything to defend themselves. I prefer to see two equally matched people fight. When one of them has a mouth on them, it's usually because they can back it up. I'm sure McCain can back up his bark. Marines usually can. POW's usually can. Obomber...Well, I'm not so sure. He's basicly flown under the radar until now.

[Idlewild]

mmmm okay.. i think someone is looking into it a lil too much pretty sure the point i was getting at was Obama would beat up old McCain in a fight and that McCain is a redneck.....don't think anything else to it and i guess before u say something about it u should get your computer fixed and the speech before the fight was what made it kinda cool. altogether Knockaround guys really isn't that bad of a movie but i still think that scene "WITH" the speech was cool.

i guess i'm just tryin to bring some humor to the thread casue some folks are really uptight in here an just thought maybe a lil humer and a decent movie would loosen things up.

[gdniel]

If you wish to give up more of your rights to the government, then by all means vote for Obama, he hangs out with members of the American communist party (ie. people who dislike America). So what the hell, douchebags (idiot Democrats) voting for a douchebag ( Obama), makes sense.

Just don't go crying about it if/when Obama gets elected and fucks things up for us.

I understand the president alone isn't to blame, we have Senators, and state reps, but the majority of them right now are douchebag Democrats as well.

[blacksheep-1]

McCain because:
1. The Forrestal fire
2. he was a POW
#as a POW he had an opportunity to be released early since his father was an admiral in the Navy, he allowed someone else to take his spot, and go home. (what would Clinton have done?!)

Sparks from the Anvil: John McCain, 35 Years Ago... (http://hammeringsparksfromtheanvil.blogspot.com/2008/03/john-mccain-35-years-ago.html)

That means that neither Obomber or Hillary is qualified enough to carry his jock strap.

[Idlewild]

Well being a hero doesn't mean u should be president... and for the upset guy gdniel... i'm unhappy the way things are right now. i would like something different, cause this shit just isn't working for me. And people all have different opinions. like this thread. everyone feels diff about the situation and is living different than the next person. doesn't mean anyone is a douchebag... if we all thought the same then we would need any rights no discussion anyone could be president etc...

but back to the first point easiest way to say it is HERO+MONEY= politican shit anyone+money= politican

pol-i-ti-can - noun - 1.a person who is active in party politics. 2.a seeker or holder of public office, who is more concerned about winning favor or retaining power than about maintaining principles. 3.a person who holds a political office. 4.a person skilled in political government or administration; statesman or stateswoman. 5.an expert in politics or political government. 6.a person who seeks to gain power or advancement within an organization in ways that are generally disapproved.


number 2 is my fav

[blacksheep-1]

You totally missed my point, McCain's father was an admiral in the Pacific fleet, even though McCain had (as I recall) 2 broken arms, 1 broken leg and some fractured ribs, McCain could've taken the bait and walked out on his POW friends because of his political stature. He didn't, he let someone else leave, which means he has something called CHARACTER, something sadly lacking in Obomber and the wench, especially the wench.

[Idlewild]

you are saying he is an honorable hero. Which is good, something to be proud of but you are missing THE POINT. Still doesn't mean He should be president. Richard Simmons helps fat people lose weight all the time changing their lives forever and donates money for their wellbeing. Doesn't mean we should vote him in for President.

[BigDawg]

Just don't go crying about it if/when Obama gets elected and fucks things up for us.





Just the same way that Bush fucked our economy for the past 7.5 years. some of you guys say things will get more fucked with Obama in office, I'll take my chance, because things damn sure cant get much worse. And giving up my gun rights....c'mon. Slick Willy tried to do the same thing, and all he got to pass was the Brady Bill banning the purchase and selling of assault weapons. Last time I checked, what civilian needs an assault rifle anyway. And to change the Bill of Rights, would take many years, and litigation to even be talked about. During Clinton' term as president, how different were the gun laws as opposed to now, other than the Brady Bill?

And everyone throwing the fact that McCain, was a POW, does that mean he holds all rights to the presidency. Sorry, McCain was not drafted into the military, he signed up, and he was an officer on top of that. That is a comparison to Kerry should have won the presidency in 04 because he was a 4 time purple heart recipient.


These are just my views.

[BigDawg]

That means that neither Obomber or Hillary is qualified enough to carry his jock strap.


I dont think that gives him the right to carry his own jockstrap. If he didnt jump at the oppurtunity, whos fault is that? I know that sounds perpetuating and crass, but he who throws the first stone better be ready for the boulder.

[Strokd85]

they are all politicians, they will do what they feel is best for them/their party/constituents and try to spin it as what is best for the country.. they all do the same thing, they all sing the same song..
i hope i'm pleasantly suprised one of these days, but not putting my money on it..

[GNs-r-slow]

they are all politicians, they will do what they feel is best for them/their party/constituents and try to spin it as what is best for the country.. they all do the same thing, they all sing the same song..
i hope i'm pleasantly suprised one of these days, but not putting my money on it..
I feel the same way. We as Americans, middle class and below dont count anyways. If your not a MAJOR contributor you dont count. Look at were our economy is at with oil, health insurance, home insurance, ect.... F$$$ polititions and thier greedy ways. They all can promise the world and when elected thier ways are persuaded by $$$,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$, PERIOD.

[95coBraSVT]

McCain: Free trade advocate
Obama: Seek to reopen North American Free Trade Agreement

NAFTA is an open road from Mexico to Canada. Mexican and canadian truckers using our roads, tearing up our roads, and they don't have to have any kind of American license. WTF???


Go here for more: McCain breaks from Bush, takes on Obama - Decision '08 - MSNBC.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24955630)


Obomber will fuck up our country. FROM THE INSIDE OUT!

Of course, McCain repeated Bush sr..."No new taxes"...LMAO Yeah...Right!

[gdniel]

Just the same way that Bush fucked our economy for the past 7.5 years. some of you guys say things will get more fucked with Obama in office, I'll take my chance, because things damn sure cant get much worse. And giving up my gun rights....c'mon. Slick Willy tried to do the same thing, and all he got to pass was the Brady Bill banning the purchase and selling of assault weapons. Last time I checked, what civilian needs an assault rifle anyway. And to change the Bill of Rights, would take many years, and litigation to even be talked about. During Clinton' term as president, how different were the gun laws as opposed to now, other than the Brady Bill?

And everyone throwing the fact that McCain, was a POW, does that mean he holds all rights to the presidency. Sorry, McCain was not drafted into the military, he signed up, and he was an officer on top of that. That is a comparison to Kerry should have won the presidency in 04 because he was a 4 time purple heart recipient.


These are just my views.

Next I bet you're going to tell me that Bush planned to crash those planes into the twin towers, and started the downslide of our econmy.

Don't think thing can get any worse with Obama, just wait and see, Democrat majority House and Senate + Democrat president = Disaster waiting to happen.

Sure it can get worse, and we have yet to hit bottom.

But go ahead and vote Democrat, it will make everything better.

History,
D,Carter= douchebag
D,Clinton and Clinton = 2 oldschool douchebags
D,Obama = douchebag in training

The first three fucked things up for America, what makes you think this next douchebag is going to do any better?

Breaking news: Obama will do no better.

[BigDawg]

Next I bet you're going to tell me that Bush planned to crash those planes into the twin towers, and started the downslide of our econmy.

Only the NSA and CIA could have even possibly conceived that trecherous act of terrorism to happen to us that day. And that wasnt a fly by night circumstance, that was being planned during the Clinton administration.

Don't think thing can get any worse with Obama, just wait and see, Democrat majority House and Senate + Democrat president = Disaster waiting to happen.

Sure it can get worse, and we have yet to hit bottom.

Doubt that, the american dollar has never been at its lowest point, it cant get any worse than it already is.

But go ahead and vote Democrat, it will make everything better.
It damn sure will make me feel better that I am willing to try to sway to the other side and see what they have to offer. Sometimes in life the grass is greener on the other side.


History,
D,Carter= douchebag
D,Clinton and Clinton = 2 oldschool douchebags
D,Obama = douchebag in training

The first three fucked things up for America, what makes you think this next douchebag is going to do any better?

Breaking news: Obama will do no better.
And during those terms, how many of those administrations were democratic run commitees for the house or senate? And Obama, might not do better, but as I said, he cant do any worse than dubya has done to this country while he was padding his and Dick's wallet with american money garnered from lobbyist who are milking this country dry on ALL fronts.

[BigDawg]

McCain: Free trade advocate
Obama: Seek to reopen North American Free Trade Agreement

NAFTA is an open road from Mexico to Canada. Mexican and canadian truckers using our roads, tearing up our roads, and they don't have to have any kind of American license. WTF???


Go here for more: McCain breaks from Bush, takes on Obama - Decision '08 - MSNBC.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24955630)


Obomber will fuck up our country. FROM THE INSIDE OUT!

Of course, McCain repeated Bush sr..."No new taxes"...LMAO Yeah...Right!

NAFTA, compliments of George H.W. Bush. And not even altered by Clinton when he took office, that idea actually kinda confuses me, with Obama, wanting to look into reopening his stand on that. So many other dems are against the NAFTA, considering the possibility of tainted product reaching into our borders. Mexico has many other trade contracts in place with many countries, that the US will not deal with or let come near us.

And in reality, Obama supports the possibililty of looking into it. However with the post 9/11 plans of action in place by the Dept of Homeland Security, I dont see it happening, anything is possible though. We're talking about placing screening trucks at every access point into the US on both borders. This might go hand in hand with the real deal fence keeping border jumpers out of the US.

[gdniel]

What reality do you live in? If you think things can't get any worse, you are only kidding yourself. This has become absolutely pointless as it appears you have become a douchebag Democrat as well.

Good luck with your green Democrat grass.

[Idlewild]

Its never been as bad as it is now with a democrat in office. I haven't been around for a long time but as far as amercan history goes probably the worst the economy has ever been in was the great depression and who was in office......Herbert Hover who was a republican. Black Tuesday....so gdniel just a couple questions for ya if you don't mind answering. 1) are your parents republicans. 2) Do you floss regularly 3)did you have an angry childhood. if you can answer please do but if u can't its okay.

[BAMF]

To both of the above posters:

We don't debate like that in Ford tech, guys.

[blacksheep-1]

You're right, you haven't been around long, let me help you out, mortgage rates now = 6%
mortgage rates when Jimmy Carter was prez =15%

Jimmy Carter was without question the worst president ever known to mankind, it took Ronnie Reagan, a Republican to fix the economy and win the cold war.

Also, get your liberal facts straight, the NAFTA framework was signed by Bush on Dec 17, 92 but it was actually signed into law by your Geek buddy Bill Clinton on Dec 8, 93 and became effective in 94 also under his reign of terror.

As far as the CIA actually pulling of fthe Sept 11 attack, you need to look no farther than the history channel which completely and effectively debunked the entire conspiracy theory.
Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Homepage (http://www.debunking911.com/)

[BigDawg]

You're right, you haven't been around long, let me help you out, mortgage rates now = 6%
mortgage rates when Jimmy Carter was prez =15%

Jimmy Carter was without question the worst president ever known to mankind, it took Ronnie Reagan, a Republican to fix the economy and win the cold war.

Also, get your liberal facts straight, the NAFTA framework was signed by Bush on Dec 17, 92 but it was actually signed into law by your Geek buddy Bill Clinton on Dec 8, 93 and became effective in 94 also under his reign of terror.

As far as the CIA actually pulling of fthe Sept 11 attack, you need to look no farther than the history channel which completely and effectively debunked the entire conspiracy theory.
Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Homepage (http://www.debunking911.com/)

First of all, President doesnt control interest rates, never did, never have. The Federal Reserve (FED) does. And thats based on economic standards, the ony thing helping us out after post 9/11 was just that, the low housing interest rates, you talk about low interest rates based on Jimmy Carter administration from over 2 decades ago. And I will never say Jimmy Carter was a good president.

And I didnt say the CIA pulled off any attack, only that they could even predicted it, which if you read the 9/11 transcripts released from the NSA, it shows that in fact the NSA and CIA shared mutual information and facts that a terror plot was in place and will be enacted on the US.

HW bush in fact was the architect of the NAFTA act, do a wikipedia search on it, I know you cant go and beleive everything you read on the internet. The only thing Clinton did was in fact sign it, and let it be without thinking things through, well I guess that is common practice with presidents, but dubya damn sure didnt think the war on terror through at the cost of 2 billion US a month. Over 5000 US soldiers killed in action. And the economoc slide and burden it placed on the US economy.

[BigDawg]

What reality do you live in? If you think things can't get any worse, you are only kidding yourself. This has become absolutely pointless as it appears you have become a douchebag Democrat as well.

Good luck with your green Democrat grass.


Again, I have proved and explained the fact that the american dollar cant get any worse than it ever has, even if it goes lower that it is, it will place no further economic issues or burden on the american people. I live in this reality, if you want to continue wearing your blinders and see one sided, so be it, your not changing my vote, and I dont want to change yours. I am just stating my views.

[Idlewild]

You're right, you haven't been around long, let me help you out, mortgage rates now = 6%
mortgage rates when Jimmy Carter was prez =15%

Jimmy Carter was without question the worst president ever known to mankind, it took Ronnie Reagan, a Republican to fix the economy and win the cold war.

Also, get your liberal facts straight, the NAFTA framework was signed by Bush on Dec 17, 92 but it was actually signed into law by your Geek buddy Bill Clinton on Dec 8, 93 and became effective in 94 also under his reign of terror.

As far as the CIA actually pulling of fthe Sept 11 attack, you need to look no farther than the history channel which completely and effectively debunked the entire conspiracy theory.
Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Homepage (http://www.debunking911.com/)


Yeah man your Right i'd rather lose my lifesavings, family wellbeing, job, house, and life by jumping out of a window than pay 15% mortgage.

[Idlewild]

Btw I Love Watermelon And Fried Chicken....

[blacksheep-1]

I'm glad you agree with me, at 15% mortgage rates (25% plus on credit cards) you couldn't afford to have a house, family a life savings, or.. a window to jump out of.
On one side of the coin you complain about how bad the American dollar is, then you complain about Exxon, an American company that is struggling to be competitive in a global market, that also provides 80 thousand jobs and pays taxes. A company who is almost completely owned by stock holders and pension plans and less than 1%, owned by individuals, you better pray companies like Exxon continue to make a profit (and reinvest it) because things can truly get worse.
Let's talk about the world war on terror, do you really think that everybody will just "make nice" depending on who's in office? Has the liberal mainstream media really sucked you guys in that bad?, Because taking pressure off the bad guys will only allow them breathing room to regroup and go back after us. Bush was absolutely correct in his correlation of Hitler overunning Poland in 1939 and what is happening now, butt kissing terrorist will at best only provide a momentary peace.

[BigDawg]

I'm glad you agree with me, at 15% mortgage rates (25% plus on credit cards) you couldn't afford to have a house, family a life savings, or.. a window to jump out of.
Homeownership was at its highest peak in the 70's and 80's, homeowners consumed the market at a rate of 6:1 against non homeowners. A 1500 sq/ft home was able to be purchased at the market value on average in the state of florida for approximately $42,000.00-$60,000.00 in predominantly middle class areas. Its funny you say that because my father purchased his home in 1978, maintained a good savings, and owned plenty of windows to jump out of.


On one side of the coin you complain about how bad the American dollar is, then you complain about Exxon, an American company that is struggling to be competitive in a global market, that also provides 80 thousand jobs and pays taxes.

An american company that net profits to the tune of $11.66 billion dollars, thats for 3 months. Hold on for one sec........Strugling in the american market? Not sure if you know this or not, but Exxon/Mobil is the largest oil company in the US, and the largest publicly traded oil company in the world.


A company who is almost completely owned by stock holders and pension plans and less than 1%, owned by individuals, you better pray companies like Exxon continue to make a profit (and reinvest it) because things can truly get worse.

Reinvest in what? Al little snippet I always had stick with me.

ExxonMobil, which stunned Americans on Thursday by reporting nearly $10 billion in profit for the third quarter, says it has no plans to invest any of those earnings in developing alternative or renewable energy — something other oil companies do. USA Today 10-2005

The only thing Exxon reinvest their profits is further oil drilling.



Let's talk about the world war on terror, do you really think that everybody will just "make nice" depending on who's in office? Has the liberal mainstream media really sucked you guys in that bad?

First off the media is far from liberal mainstream, look at Fox News.... bashing Barack every time they get a chance. Making cynical points about his wife and her pride for country. Poking fun at Rev Wright, Barack not wearing the american flag pin. Well, dont get me started on that one. They bash the shit out of Barack Obama every chance they get. Thats like Motortrend magazine, bashes domestic vehicles every chance they get, One thing about the media is that its meant to be visualized as unbias, I call bullshit, and I have taken many writing and expenditure classes in college on the unbiased reasoning in modern day media. There is not one person that can ever tell me that the media is swayed to the liberal side, their not.

Because taking pressure off the bad guys will only allow them breathing room to regroup and go back after us. Bush was absolutely correct in his correlation of Hitler overunning Poland in 1939 and what is happening now, butt kissing terrorist will at best only provide a momentary peace.

No correlation whatsoever, That was a country ruled by a tyrant overturning another country. Whoa, hold on, maybe there is some sort of correalation there. Anyways, back to my original thought. Then there is when we rely on communication and intel to get the best information that we can. There have been countless numbers of alleged attacks on the US since post 9/11, and how many have actually succeded, none. Look at the terror cells broken up all over the world, 5 cells broken in England, 3 cells broken in Canada 3 cells in france, over a dozen possible terror cells in Germany, Pakistan, and South America. The intel has came leaps and bounds of what it was, Department of Homeland Security is extremely succesful, the NSA is willing to open more lines of communication to the FBI and DHS to help prevent further attacks on the United States and its constituents.

[Idlewild]

sigh ....... blacksheep ...... its hurts doesn't it but it'll be over soon don't worry.

[blacksheep-1]

1.You're right, it will really be over, I'm investing in Obomber brand Vaseline.
2. I bought my first house in 1981 at 21 years old, and working 3 jobs, I was around back then, I just didn't read about it, Reagan bailed us out.
3. Invest in alternative energy?!, like wind and solar?, right now those are losers. The greenpeacer-PETA-save the whale crowd should be investing in those if they're so great, they'd make a bundle, or not. bio fuels are closer to the answer at least for right now.
4. ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN all bigger than Fox and all run by ultra liberals
5. 9-11 took 5- 10 years to plan, maybe longer as the first attack took place in the mid to early 90s with the first bombing. We will have another attack, somewhere some place. What you don't realize is that everyday, hundreds of thousands of people wake up every morning and try to think of ways to kill US citizens.

[Idlewild]

lol "obomber brand vasoline" but the way you guys are talking seems more like he's gonna stick it in no lube. Man like i said i wasn't around back then but i'm sure your credit wasn't as big of and issue as it is today. But we can go back and forth about mortgage rates but that is just 1 issue and your defending it poorly. Also remember that in 1981 there was a gas shortage as well which slumped the economy. And before you start pointing a finger was a world issue caused by the middle east, and not any 1 president's fault. If rates are high you can't afford a house then rent. I'm sure people had the same alternatives as they do today.

[blacksheep-1]

OK, one last time, Reagan signed into law a bill that cut taxes by 26%, up until then the economy was totally lack luster, interest rates were high and no one was investing. After this law went into effect, it freed up money in the private sector who spent and invested it. the government actually made more money, even with the tax cut do to the ncreased revenue from the economy. Still with me? Reagan then began the largest peace time military buildup in history, basically bankrupting the Soviet Union, which caused the removal of the berlin wall, the creation of several republics and a de-escalation of the arms race, that allowed the military budget to be cut and saved more money . While this went on he also screwed over the Cubans in Grenada who were holding American hostages, bombed the terrorist Quadafy (in Lybia) and sent the economy on an upward spiral that we've enjoyed until very recently. The deal in Lebanon kinda sucked but no ones perfect. Oh, yeah, the hostages in Iran were also freed.
The original gas crisis was in 72 0r 73 that's when OPEC started to flex it's muscles and the environmental whackos created a bunch of new emission standards which were difficult for the American auto makers to meet on such short notice, Crappy mileage and unreliability basically kicked the door open for import cars and Detroit was never the same.
One other thing, here's some of your "anti war "democrats in action:
http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv

[Idlewild]

So all the good points of Reagan but see you don't talk about the 2.2 Trillion dollers he spent for the cold war where the total for the cold war US had spent 8 trillion in 45 years. The soviet Union was already on a downward spiral they had depleated all their GNP for just military and with the 73 and 79 oil crisis that had tapped them out. 5 minitues wikipedia, amazing what you can learn with the internet. U say he bankrupted the Soviet Union but he almost bankrupted the U.S. I guess we can talk presidents all day long but there is a good and bad side to all of them. Still don't see how during the Carter admin was soooooo bad compared to a time period where they friggen gave it a name "The Great Depression". And you say anti-war democrats well WW2 got us out of the "The Great Depression" ohh and who was president at the time.....FDR...(Frankiln D. Roosevelt) and he was 1 of those damn "anti war" democrats you speak of.

[blacksheep-1]

The Soviet Union was on a downward spiral?!, and that 2.2 was well spent, we'd still be spending it today if the Soviet Union was around. The US was nowhere near bankruptcy, like I said it started one of the greatest economic increases in American history.
It was also the great anti-war presidents Kennedy and Johnson who got us solidly in Viet Nam and a Republican (Nixon) who kept his campaign promise and got us out.
As for FDR, he was back when Democrats were a little more realistic, now days he'd probably just figure that if he pretended it didn't happen we'd all forget about in 5 years like 9/11.
I voted for Carter, me and my family were solid democrats for 3-4 generations, we just got tired of the wackadoos running the party.
As far as the good in Carter, well, as a president, he made a good carpenter.
Wikipedia..weren't they just busted for errors and admitted that they accepted definitions and explanations without checking them for factuality?..Oh yes, yes it was, it's amazing what you can learn on the internet.
I see your boy Obomber is meeting with Hillary tonight, if he picks her as veep he'd better watch his azz because she wants the white house just a little too much.
One last thought, I've been a firefighter for over 30 years, I lost a buddy in 9/11, I've been to the Texas Institute for Reactive Materials and the FBI school on terrorism command/ responder. I know what these pricks are capable of and I know they aren't going away, so sooner or later it's going to come down to us and them.

[Idlewild]

You should run for office man. cause all i see you doing is dancing around allmost every point i've made and you won't admit i right and your wrong. So i'm wrong in those facts i made... You said wikipedia is wrong..wait no you didn't you just danced around the fact that they got in trouble and not saying that i was wrong b/c you know i'm right. I'll say it again it amazing what you can learn from the internet b/c there is about 100 others website that support that claim. Also i'm sure i you reread this thread i never said i was a democraft although i supported a lot of their points to furthur the arguement. But again like i said i haven't been around long but what i have learn is if you want to come across by not looking like you have no insight attack the point not the person show me some solid proof instead of opinionated videos and reports. I'm being as unbiased as i can. and i agree with both side on side things but GODDAMMIT today sucks balls and i wanna see something different. The days of people wanted a badass in the office are over. Independent thought is running rampid. And whomever can successfully gage their interests is gonna win. Brotha also i don't doubt you on the terrorist thing(us or them) but i don't think there is 1 answer also to take care of that situation. there are a lot of different ways to go about it. in closing i know i was all over the place on this one but.......sry... i just wokeup, and Thank you for being a firefighter you guys are tha shit.

[blacksheep-1]

Well hopefully you took nothing personal, it was'n't meant that way, I just love talking politics.
I'll say this though, be careful what you ask for in politics, you just might get it.

[Idlewild]

Wow you said that really carefully. Well politics is politics and will always be 2 sided, and na i don't take this stuff personally just curious to see others opinions on the topic. At the same time i might learn a thing or 2.

[ODB]

I have not been in here for a few days...In a nutshell all I could hope for is that "IF" Obama is elected I would honestly only hope that his policies would benefit "ALL" Americans. Not just the poor....not just minorities...but "ALL". If it happens and he "CHANGES" things...I will be the first one to eat all my words....

I think all of the other Obama critics here feel the same...

God Bless us if he is put into office.

[BAMF]

I have not been in here for a few days...In a nutshell all I could hope for is that "IF" Obama is elected I would honestly only hope that his policies would benefit "ALL" Americans. Not just the poor....not just minorities...but "ALL". If it happens and he "CHANGES" things...I will be the first one to eat all my words....

I think all of the other Obama critics here feel the same...

God Bless us if he is put into office.

< Feels the same way. +1.



I tellya, I just want someone to come in and start taking care of the middle class. The rich have their special interest groups keeping them taken care of, the poor are always someone's political pet project, but who takes care of us? Fuck, man, the AMT is the biggest disaster I've ever seen. Where are the politicians who want to abolish THAT?

[ODB]

< Feels the same way. +1.



I tellya, I just want someone to come in and start taking care of the middle class. The rich have their special interest groups keeping them taken care of, the poor are always someone's political pet project, but who takes care of us? Fuck, man, the AMT is the biggest disaster I've ever seen. Where are the politicians who want to abolish THAT?


something has to give...I just don't want the next prez to let his guard down and have some kind of disaster or tragedy happen to us...I wish for nothing but the best...like I said I will eat every damn word i preach if the dems can make a positive change for all of us...

I was willing to slide more to the middle with McCain...I said "shit...maybe it would be good for us"...maybe he will be able to work easier with the other party....
now if Obama takes Hillary as a VP...i think it only strengthens his chances against McCain....I honestly would have rather seen Hillary win vs. Obama....but with so many people looking for a change....maybe I am assuming the worst from him......

i will still vote for McCain....if he loses and Obama gets in...I wish us all the best...and think about it..If he sucks...we go back and do it again in 4 years...if he is that bad we will surely know..

God help us that he doesn't fuck up this country even more....

we shall see!!

[GNs-r-slow]

I will go with Mccain if he takes our Gov under his wing

[blacksheep-1]

McCain's big oops was a deal he cut with the Dems to cut out special interest groups from making donations to politicians, it was the McCain Feingold act, or something like that. It all sounded good on paper, but here's how it really works, let's say you have a bunch of middle class working slobs who band together to form a special interest goup. Individually, these folks don't have much clout, but together , they do. (the NRA for example) The problem is they are no longer allowed to donate to a politician within a certain time period from an election. Now, as an individual, you can, so if you happen to be an ultra rich hollywood movie star and write checks all day long, and you can make all kinds of guest appearences in behalf of your politician, and generally show off your influence. Unfortunately the middle class working slobs have now been cut right out of the game because of this bill. It is now going to bite McCain right in tha azz. Like I said, be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.
One more thing, I love Hillary's whining over the gas prices and yet she refuses to support the driliing in Alaska, the discovery of more coal in the northern states and misc offshore oil exploration, uhmm Hillary, you're one of the reasons that the prices are so high.

[blacksheep-1]

And then there is this fine piece of Democratic legislation:
YouTube - John Boehner Calls Immigration Bill a "Piece Of Shit" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxwR26HnW5s)

[StangItMan]

i will still vote for McCain....if he loses and Obama gets in...I wish us all the best...and think about it..If he sucks...we go back and do it again in 4 years...if he is that bad we will surely know..

God help us that he doesn't fuck up this country even more....

we shall see!!


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