****$hawn's "EFI Hater" list****

[$hawn]

This is where it all happens ladies!

EFI vrs. Carb's

Talk shit, plead your case, it's all good here.

Feel free to post real life experiences not what you think or read.

Hater list \/\/\/

1. NA306STANG
2. 95CoBrAsvT
3. Iwinulose
4. cochese
5. stoopid wendy
6. badlattitude
7. bottlefed93
8. cochese
9. scott
10. Tiffiny
11.
12.
13.
14.




list will be updated later :crack:

[MiDiablo]

Not an EFI hater, but gotta Carb :dunno:

:mullet:

[bvh]

efi is for me , i make DAM good power and still get about 20mpg.. i would like to see a carb setup do that .

[Stoopid Wendy]

Not an EFI hater, but gotta Carb :dunno:

:mullet:

+1

when my 302 had a blow thru carb it was still getting 17-18 mpg. big deal. it wasn't until i went with bigger cubes and a bigger snail that i dropped down to 15-16.

i don't care what it is as long as it works. carb works for my application.

[95coBraSVT]

Add me to the list.

I've gotten in excess of 20 mpg in my 67 when I drove from Seattle to Ohio. Of course, I had freeway gears in the rear, and the car was a turd in the 1/4 barely managing a 15.40 at the time. Now, if I had an AOD and a set of 3:73's, I bet I could tune it to get 20 mpg and still run in the mid 12's or better. My FI set up is all forign to me and I have to get a special computer to read it to tell me what $80-$200 sensor I need to replace to make it run "right". Pfff...A carb set up, I can fiddle with the jets and make it run right within 20 minutes. $2-$4 jets vs $80-$200 sensor....

[riverviewnative]

EFI makes me money. I can not give away carb cars.

[Richie Sambora]

350 tpi Ftw

[cochese]

carb worked for me

[bvh]

i get 20 around town , 26 on the hwy , and i can do hole alot better than a 12.0 1/4 pass.. wendy im impressed by your car it makes good power and have descend mpg .. i know mpg docent really matter when u try to make power but , for the sake of the conversation ill bring it up ..

[Na306StAnG]

w00t I'm at teh top!!

This is gonna get good!!!

:corn:

[IwinUlose]

EFI= the suck. But i have too much invested to try to give up on it yet. If it doesnt work out soon its all for sale.

[91Notch]

Who cares anymore....they both fucking work

EFI is the way of the future you have to admit the carb is still going strong but its on its way out....atleast in the higher end race cars.

You walk around an event and now a days you are starting to see more and more EFI cars...there is a reason for that. You have ultimate control over every single aspect in your car. Not to mention the data loggin capibilities to monitor and study each and eveyrun and make changes as needed.

Now yes the EFI shit is pricey but as time goes on what the big dawg races are using now adays will eventually trickle down to the low budget racer and become within each of most peoples affordable price range.

No dont get me wrong carb's will never go away they will always be out there, but as the older races start to fall off the map and hang up their helmets (or tools) for good they will take that old technology with them.

So here is my opinions

low budget racer - carb all the way
big money racer -EFI all the way

Just my .02 cent....here we go I know I am gonna catch alot of shit for this one.

:corn:

[IwinUlose]

Hmmmm. I guess NASCAR's cant do data logging? They have carbs

[91Notch]

But you cant tell me that if NASCAR allowed EFI that you couldnt tune it for a particular tack to get up out of a corner faster????

The biggest thing I hate about carb guys is hearing them say "I am gonna change my jets"

There is more to a carb than just changing the jets. Everyone can change jets, but how many people out there actually know how to properly tune a carb????

Thats not directed to anyone on here so chill out.

[Tiffiny]

lowbudjet shafiroff motor is there such a thing

[Jetflat&tripleBlack]

True/\Put NASCAR #2.

[Tiffiny]

they have jets tell me more

[351coupe]

I agree with Dave,and I've had some badass carbed cars.Carbs are very affordable,usually make more power on a N/A nitrous build,and work great at wide open throttle.But for drivability and tuning/data logging,EFI is the way to go.

[Duceanahalf]

pfft. CFI is where its at

[Tiffiny]

yeah but you still have to tune both .my ways cheaper w/screw driver

[351coupe]

yeah but you still have to tune both .my ways cheaper w/screw driverYeah I know,almost went carb blowthrough on my build,could of saved alot of money.

[$hawn]

funny thing...went to sunshine last night. All the "carbed" cars didn't make it :(

did all you guys lose your screwdrivers?

[$hawn]

come on Adrenelin...where you at? help me out !!

[Tiffiny]

im sure there was atleast one car with a carb there lol

[LS1COUPE]

i like both.

carbs are not as easy to get right as most people think. as said before there is alot more to a carb than changing jets - ESPECIALLY blowthrough which is becoming extremely popular.

as for a dialy driver its hard to beat a GT-40 car with an S-trim!

[$hawn]

added a poll :) and will update the list later...


*edit

GRRRRR where did it go?

[Na306StAnG]

funny thing...went to sunshine last night. All the "carbed" cars didn't make it :(

did all you guys lose your screwdrivers?

Concrete > Me

[Steve B]

Not everyone is smart enought to connect two plugs together to make efi work.

I have had both, they both are not some mysterioius abyss or magic that makes a motor run.

All you need to tune a carb is a wrench and a screwdriver. all you need to tune efi is to have the right sensors and it will tune its self within the parameters of the ecu.

You guy who have all these nice parts and stock computers are just as stupid as the fool with the same parts with a super vic or vic jr and a stock vacuum secondary 500 cfm carb.

[Adrenalin]

come on Adrenelin...where you at? help me out !!

Politics, religion, stick vs auto, racecar vs street car or from the wife... does my butt look big in this dress? ... it's a no win situation bro!

I try to pick my battles! :D


I'm going fuel injection! :headbang: That, lock-up OD and a suspected move to 3.27s and MPG should be golden!

[cochese]

I liked my setup!

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg79/cochese51105/blowthrough1.jpg

[MiDiablo]

:yikes:

I like that setup tooooooo! :poon: Speaking of your old setup, I've got your rotating assembly in my motor! Gonna rebuild it here shortly and thinking about going blow-thru turbo :dunno:

[cochese]

:yikes:

I like that setup tooooooo! :poon: Speaking of your old setup, I've got your rotating assembly in my motor! Gonna rebuild it here shortly and thinking about going blow-thru turbo :dunno:

Talk to john about buying the old turbo kit,its still packaged up.

[MiDiablo]

John who?

[Stoopid Wendy]

i get 20 around town , 26 on the hwy , and i can do hole alot better than a 12.0 1/4 pass.. wendy im impressed by your car it makes good power and have descend mpg .. i know mpg docent really matter when u try to make power but , for the sake of the conversation ill bring it up ..

it's all in how you drive her. my hubby doesn't even get 13mpg when he drives her. i swear, you guys have no finesse. lol anyone can mat a foot to the floor and blow a quarter tank of gas going nowhere. when you are driving around with shit-tons of torque, it takes a delicate throttle to get anywhere and keep some fuel in the tank.

and you're right. mpg doesn't really matter to me. i only drive her a couple of days a week. i got a box for cheap daily driver duty.

for those of you that are serious into racing and intend on making money with your car by being consistent or you need to scrape every last tenth out of your setup, EFI is prolly the best way to go providing you have deep enough pockets or can tune it yourself. i remember every time i made a change in my setup (like when i swapped from blower to turbo) it was a bigger set of injectors, a bigger mass air, a trip to the tuner.... it adds up.

but for weekend warriors like myself who only want to go out and have a good time, ease of doing my business and being easier on the wallet fit the bill. and no, its not just about changing jets. you still have to know what you are doing with a carb. i don't need every last tenth, i don't care whether it is 100% efficient, i only care the she goes moderately fast, she goes very straight, and she goes home in one piece.

but... having said all that... properly tuned, either application will kick serious ass.

[racingrick]

Cochese' setup for the win.

[Hurstmeister]

I dont hate EFI. Doing up 2 EFi cars now. But I prefer a carb,.. 1 for low cost,. and 2 for ease of tuning.

On EFI if a sensor is malfuctioning or intermittent,.. this can cause mightmares. With a carb you have 2 things,.. fuel and spark. So simple even a caveman could do it.

Hurst

[cochese]

John who?
badlatitude bought my old kit,i still have it here.

[bvh]

i did go threw a half of a tank of gas on a dyno, once i see boost its over . but i belive my mpg has to do more with having a mod motor ...

[Badlatitude]

crappy, tempermental , useless , need a computer to tune EFI... EFI belongs in a dumpster along with Ralph Nader and hippies

[shinysideup]

Even women are big trouble if you cant understand and control them. Play with the equiptment you are competent with.

[Jetflat&tripleBlack]

Noice setup cocheese!

[bottlefed93]

Can I be on the list??? I think its personal preferance (and available funds of course, of which I have NONE)lol. They both run great/make great power when running right. There are also alot of pros/cons to each.

[Mars_302]

I will never own a carbed car

[onequicklx]

new here got a 408 with a carb and a procharger

<wants on da list

[LS1COUPE]

Cochese' setup for the win.


no shit. she is cute:D

[ChrisN1313]

the both work great if you got the right shit and know what the hell your doing. I would rather have a badass efi setup over a badass carb setup. EFI will cost more but you have better control over the system

[Badlatitude]

yeah if you carry around a laptop and have a FAST system ... if you are using stock style efi and need to make changes u pretty much need to go to a dyno and have a flasher reloaded or a chip burnt ....

on a car i just change my jets and guess what .... DONE

[95coBraSVT]

Cocheese's set up FTMFW!

fap fap fap fap

If I went into the garage and saw that, I think I would pass out. :lol:


Anyway, back on topic...kinda. The general consensus, so far, has been that EFI costs more $$$ than a carb, makes the same or (in some cases) more power, and only a marginal decrease in MPG if any at all. Sounds like the clear winner here is a carb set up to me. Now I just need to convince the wife to let me switch the Cobra over. LOL I will admit though, once you get an EFI set up tuned right and all the sensors right, (to the tune of around $2000) they are great and you don't need to mess with them. Where as with a carb set up, it's getting fuel all over you again for a change in the weather or a track set up vs. street set up. I still choose the carb set up.

[$hawn]

added a poll :) and will update the list later...


*edit

GRRRRR where did it go?

Poll is up.

w00t even you felons can vote in my poll!

[91Notch]

Play with the equiptment you are competent with.

I think you pretty much summed up the whole discussion with that statement.

Go with what you know.

As for the poll...I am an EFI supporter but I have to admit I dont care I want what cochese has :D

[$hawn]

Even women are big trouble if you cant understand and control them. Play with the equiptment you are competent with.


A F.A.S.T. system is WAY easier to figure out than ANY women!!!
....and once you click enter the prameters aren't different when you wake up tomorrow. :crack:

[KAILUAZ]

I vote carb, but I'm dumb both ways.

[GNs-r-slow]

Carb for me. Im on a budget. And to the ones that say there is more to tuning a carb than a jet change.obviously didnt buy the right size carb to begin with!!:lol: If motor is setup with the right cfm carb to start with, a jet change is all you need.

[95coBraSVT]

^ Thank you! 8)

[Steve B]

Carb for me. Im on a budget. And to the ones that say there is more to tuning a carb than a jet change.obviously didnt buy the right size carb to begin with!!:lol: If motor is setup with the right cfm carb to start with, a jet change is all you need.

There is more than just changing jets to tune a carb.

The squirters, the accelerator pump cam to change how fast the fuel comes in. the size of the pump shot, the powervalve.

Anyone who thinks you can tune a carb with a just a jet change and a float adjustment obviously doesn't know shit about carbs or efi.

[95coBraSVT]

God...it's been so long since I've messed with my carb I almost forgot about the squirters and the accelerator pump.

[onequicklx]

fool infection is 4 suckeeerrrsss

[GNs-r-slow]

<<<< Has a 650 dp'er on a street car and no problems. Car idles fine (clean), no driveability problems, and no flat spots. I have no clue how that happened :D

[Na306StAnG]

<<<< Has a 650 dp'er on a street car and no problems. Car idles fine (clean), no driveability problems, and no flat spots. I have no clue how that happened :D

:lol:

[95coBraSVT]

<<<< Has a 650 dp'er on a street car and no problems. Car idles fine (clean), no driveability problems, and no flat spots. I have no clue how that happened :DJooo lie mang....Joo cant do that without EFI! :lol: :roll:

[Adrenalin]

I was going to click EFI, but that Cochese cheated and threw in a cutie and I couldn't resist

[IwinUlose]

I'm leaning more an more to a carb. This EFI shit is really pissing me off. I fixed all my vacuum leaks, an now the car acts like a tard.. It stumbles, an act very lathargic when trying to rev it. FUCK EFI!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bvh]

you can do alot with a stock computer with a piggie back chip. my ecu holds 3 diffrent tunes and works great for me i know efi isnt for every one and you can tune a carb your self , but my timing curves and fuel maps are beyound me so i leave it to someone knows what ther doing . but I CANT TUNE MY OWN CAR .

[cochese]

I was going to click EFI, but that Cochese cheated and threw in a cutie and I couldn't resist

:lol: let me make it up to ,sorry for cheating:oops:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg79/cochese51105/blowthrough2.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg79/cochese51105/DSC01889.jpg

[IwinUlose]

that just makes it even worse.

[MiDiablo]

Yummy :poon:

[91Notch]

I'm leaning more an more to a carb. This EFI shit is really pissing me off. I fixed all my vacuum leaks, an now the car acts like a tard.. It stumbles, an act very lathargic when trying to rev it. FUCK EFI!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My EFI car runs flawlessly and I have half the sensors removed from it.

I am just using the necessary ones. Shit I dont even of o2 sensors. Still runs, idles, and rev's smooth.

Instead of getting all pissed off and saying fuck it why dont you fix the problem?

O and my EFI car looks like a carb'd car to boot, very easy to work on, no cluster fuck of wires and connectors....where are all my wires at? lol

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll18/91Notch347/Enginebay8.jpg

So no pics of hot women hangin all over my car like Cochese has :mad:

[LS1COUPE]

Yummy :poon:


No shit. Cochese is a P.I.M.P.:fro:

[cochese]

(opens door and wispers) I'v seen people get rep for less...tough crowd huh(slams door)

[91Notch]

^^^ lol

very ture though

rep fo u!

[Adrenalin]

I'll rep you so long as you don't post any more pics that may influence my decision... ;) ;) ;)

[Adrenalin]

This just in! like just a min ago


I just recieved some HoT! info in a rep that has shed light on the EFI debate! I need a mod to change my vote to EFI immediately!

:whoa: :drool:



edit: Yea, ...I got no shame

[cochese]

Vote for Cochese:lol:


http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg79/cochese51105/showstopper.jpg

[FOXBODYPAT]

My Corvette is EFI.

[Na306StAnG]

No shit. Cochese is a P.I.M.P.:fro:

The "material" you hang around ain't bad either!!! :cool:

[LS1COUPE]

I'll rep you so long as you don't post any more pics that may influence my decision... ;) ;) ;)



i am going to rip off my EFI and wait for the bitches to show up:monkspk:

[MiDiablo]

My Corvette is EFI.

Who The Eff is this guy!??! :crack: :dunno: :mullet:

[MiDiablo]

Vote for Cochese:lol:

I'm not voting til I get some noooods :roll:

:lol:

[onequicklx]

ftw carbs are winning lol

[Tiffiny]

I voted carb only because they are better

[LS1COUPE]

ftw carbs are winning lol


that might have to do with the fact that most ford-techies have street/strip fox bodies, for which they are great.


you arent going to see many people with mod motors going carb (although i would love to do a carbed 5.4 DOHC/T3650 in a fairmont wagon):D .

you arent going to see many people with LS1s going carb - unless its in an older chassis but most still want the EFI.

most DDs with AC/PS/OD are going to want EFI.

[chevy eater]

I have efi on my car still,Have always run carb,but giving the efi a chance.
I like it so far,just hate having to pay for a reburn to change some settings to my liking

[91Notch]

^^^ thats the major down fall of EFI having to bring the car back to get retuned when you make a change to your setup.

But the high end technology that the top dawg racers have used for years that lets you get in there with a computer and change something yourself is starting to come down in price and is starting to become affordable to the averager race. Meaning all you need is a lap top and so said computer and you can tune the car yourself.

But even if you have that ability you still need to have a grasp on what your doing so you dont blow your motor through the hood :-o

[Adrenalin]

I don't look forward to learning how to tune it, so I will have someone tune it the first time and try learning it so I can do it myself later. I do think it's the better way to go though. jmho

[Scott]

Looks like there is something to be said for flat tip screwdrivers ! :D

[95coBraSVT]

Looks like there is something to be said for flat tip screwdrivers ! :D
:werd:

[Tiffiny]

:mad: :mad: still not on list

[$hawn]

list updated :roll:

[91Notch]

why is cochese listed twice in the hater list?

Too busy lookin at his pictures huh? :lol:

[Gooser]

fuck efi

[95coBraSVT]

BAH! Damn EFI pwned me again today. $#!^%@%$!!!! The suxor! Worked on it again today...Still nothing. Hooked a computer up to it, and it said....get this...NOTHING! It ssaid nothing at all. NO DATA all the way down the list. While the car was RUNNING. It was running like ASS, but it was running. STILL NOTHING! I swear, I'm going to have my 67 mustang running perfect before I get my 95 Cobra up and running good again, and the 67's motor is completely out and taken apart!. :mad: UGGH! Damn EFI! Why do we have only 10 on the hater list, yet 11 votes....hmmmmmI wonder who is running in cognito? LOL

[$hawn]

fuck efi
do you even own a running car?

[Tiffiny]

I no likey but i can fixey

[95coBraSVT]

do you even own a running car?:-o Ouch!

[Gooser]

do you even own a running car?

No my car is not together, But I fail to see how that is relevant. I have been around long enough to develop my own personal opinion on which I prefer. Shit, half the people posting in this thread own cars that are not running.


Just remember, we can't all be Big money Shawn.;)

Don't hate.

[cochese]

"half the people posting in this thread own cars that are not running"


"Don't hate"

Don't hate

[Gooser]

I'm not.

[Mars_302]

"for all you Vader haters out there, we'll blow your planet up! We got Darkside!"

[MiDiablo]

I own 3 cars; 2 run :dunno:

Actually, come to think of it... I don't own any of them... The banks > me... :doh:

[$hawn]

Just remember, we can't all be Big money Shawn.;)

Don't hate.

what does that have to do with anything?

[BigDawg]

Im with you Shawn, I'll take my efi and run with it. I'll tune off the laptop, yeah it cost me up the ass, but the total build cost up the ass, so it was worth it to me. I already figured the cost into the build.

[$hawn]

My car's in a million pieces. The difference is I wouldn't tell someone to fuck what they have.

[Gooser]

^ I just gave my opinion from the experiences Ive had/witnessed. A good example is 91notchs car. His EFI is whats keeping his badass ride from flying like it should be. Hell, if there were a carb on that car I'm sure due to money/simplicity factors it could be fixed. Yea EFI if tuned properly is badass and can make incredible amounts of power. But for people like me who don't have the time or teh cash to spend on EFI carb is IMO the way to go. No need to get all personal like I was attacking you or something. Thats why I think the internet fails at communication.

[cochese]

I can't hold back any longer...My name is Adam and I also am a EFI owner,I am using a F.A.S.T sytem on my car along with a RACEPAK and a programable digital 7...........There I got it out,i feel alot better......and all those pictures were photochoped,I'm not cool.


See shawn we are boys,i got your back nica!

[Steez]

I like carbs...


















but thats because I can't afford EFI :P

[91Notch]

^^^^ i didnt know honda's came with carbs

[Gooser]

^ he owns a mustang

[IwinUlose]

^^^ owns ODB old saleen'd out coupe.

[91Notch]

<<< knows what he owns. I just like busting his balls lol

[Steez]

^^^^ i didnt know honda's came with carbs

:finger:

Funny guy dot com

:lol:

[864I'DCaprI]

Welcome to funnyguy.com

Funny Guy! America's Leading Something! (http://www.funnyguy.com/)

Doesnt look like Dave tho :/

Hrrmmmm :crack:

[91Notch]

^^^^lol

[95coBraSVT]

LMAO! It really DOESN'T look like Dave. Dave, are you wearing a disguise? LOL

[Tiffiny]

^needs a mechanic

[IwinUlose]

^^ should let me take a look at his car.

[Tiffiny]

yeah than you can see who the bigger tuff guy is jfwy lol

[95coBraSVT]

^^ should let me take a look at his car.
I'm less than a mile from your shop. Stop by. It won't run good enough to get it to you. LOL:lol: In fact, you drove by the other day....Not even as much as a wave. :(

[95coBraSVT]

You just drove by again...Still no wave....:(

[Tiffiny]

feeling unwanted lol

[95coBraSVT]

I know...It sux....My wife don't want me...My kids both hate me...My car won't run..Obviously it hates me too....And now Iwinuloose won't even wave at me...Where is my sword? Ima go commit harikira and end it all... boo hoo...Where's my waaaaaambulance already damn it! :lol: LMAO! Maybe I'll just go emo. LOL

[IwinUlose]

HEy i dont even know you work. but all i have to say is Firing order> you.

[95coBraSVT]

:doh: Yep...Firing order rotating the wrong way.....DOH! :lol: Laugh away folks...Laugh away.

Dave asked and asked...and I told him..[country hick voice]"Yep...it's just fine"[/country hick voice] DAMN........

[IwinUlose]

Wait till dave here's this....

[95coBraSVT]

Yeah, he called a few minutes ago. LOL It's MY fault. That was actually his first thought, but I reassured him that it was correct. Not his fault at all...MINE and ALL mine.

[91Notch]

O I already heard about it

[IwinUlose]

Dam you are the hardest motha fucka to get a hold of. you bastard.

[91Notch]

lol

I have been slammed here at the shop the last couple of days.

[IwinUlose]

with what $30 oil changes? :lol: JFWY

[MiDiablo]

with what $30 oil changes? :lol: JFWY

Studying his launch on video tape :crack:

And putting wheels on Mustangs: :corn:

http://image.carcraft.com/f/miscellaneous/sn95-mustang-on-26-inch-wheels/1049013+w600+cr1+re0+ar1/mustang-on-26-inch-wheels.jpg

[91Notch]

lol you guys fucking kill me

Maybe I need to hire a sexratary for when you all car, have a girl with a sexy voice pick up the phone so you all get all hot and bothered

[95coBraSVT]

No, don't do that...Then you'll have to deal with me calling every day. LOL

[IwinUlose]

Shit, at least she'll put out.

[cochese]

stop shitting up the thread

[MiDiablo]

stop shitting up the thread

http://dogs.thefuntimesguide.com/images/blogs/puppy-pooping-outside.jpg

[cochese]

Back on topic!!!!!!!!!

Add mr dad to the list,he loves carbs so much he has 3 on one intake!



http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg79/cochese51105/DSC00100.jpg

[$hawn]

he gets an exemption. that has a cool factor.

[19-Camaro-88]

add me to the list, if my car was carbed it would have been on the road 2 weeks ago! screw engine harnesses and trying to hunt down every little relay that may cause a mistake.

[Suicidal Racing]

i'm a carb man myself.

[Tiffiny]

:P carbs r still winning nobody wants that old technology :lol: :lol: :lol:

what ever even when the old schooler die they will still be here :P

[Steez]

Carbs = win, at least when I have my screwdriver handy.

EFI = broke dick sensors and wire harness and tuning after every mod.

Tony you get a fox yet?