Urine Test...

[MiDiablo]

URINE TEST
(I sure would like to know who wrote this one! They deserve a HUGE pat on the back!)

Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I DO have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who DON'T have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check, because I have to pass one to earn it for them?


Please understand - I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ASS, doing drugs, while I work. Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?

Pass this along if you agree or simply delete if you don't. Hope you all will pass it along, though . . . something has to change in this country -- and soon!

[BAMF]

Do you have any idea how expensive it would be to urine test everyone, then urine test them a second time if they fail because they're entitled to a second test, and then maintain accurate records and send them back for followup urine tests?

[RICK_DIZZLE]

yea... but as time goes by fewer ppl will be forced to either work, or kick the bad habbits. The ppl kicked off welfare alone would pay for it. Sure we would break even...but we would have less ppl on welfare, and out working...so Im sure a profit would come about.

[skunked B18]

+1 on that

[BAMF]

yea... but as time goes by fewer ppl will be forced to either work, or kick the bad habbits. The ppl kicked off welfare alone would pay for it. Sure we would break even...but we would have less ppl on welfare, and out working...so Im sure a profit would come about.

No. you're not grasping the scope of how expensive this would be

1. The lawyers hired to defend it when people sued (and they would sue. Constantly)
2. The department created to administer it and their physical buildings.
3. Their staff and equipment. (think about how many staff would be needed to answer complaints/requests/questions)
4. The tests themselves (which aren't cheap)
5. "Startup Costs"


I'm sure I left things out. There would be no breaking even. There would be an assraping in taxes so people can feel better about 'not giving to druggies'. By the way, its ridiculously easy to pass a piss test no matter what you've been doing lately.

[byondevl]

Better yet, require community service to get that welfare check.

[shinysideup]

Good point. Forget welfare altogether and force people to help themselves.

[RICK_DIZZLE]

How bout a manditory enlistment in the military thrown in for good measure...say 2 years for every 18 year old?

[Badlatitude]

Do you have any idea how expensive it would be to urine test everyone, then urine test them a second time if they fail because they're entitled to a second test, and then maintain accurate records and send them back for followup urine tests?

$95 at any medical center. Trust me I know I had take one friday

[Badlatitude]

Good point. Forget welfare altogether and force people to help themselves.


in the depression many highways parkways , dams , bridges and other community projects like schools were built to feed and pay people. Our countrys Liberals thing theese fucking parasites should get it all for nothing. I FUCKING LOVE going past a section 8 housing developement and seeing fucking MERCEDES , BMWs , cadi trucks and shit and if you do work in their apartments they have leather couches and big screens. Its a FUCKING JOKE to the core.

rant over

[RICK_DIZZLE]

^^^^+++1

[MiDiablo]

Again BAMF, I was just posting an email brotha. Not necessarily my P.O.V. - but an awesome topic for discussion here ;) So I don't wanna hafta bust out my flame suit!! :lol:

I do feel like welfare is a joke, esp. Section 8, unfortunately. And I do feel like there should be SOMETHING done to make the beneficiaries of these laxed programs actually WORK for what they receive.

[95coBraSVT]

I feel that actual citizenship should be required to recieve any kind of welfare. The only way to secure citizenship would be to serve in the military or some other govt office. W/O a govt job in your past, you don't deserve any kind of welfare. Just my .02

[racingrick]

maybe if we let survival of the fittest take over......................

[ShakinIt]

Better yet, require community service to get that welfare check.


Better yet, fucking get rid of welfare......

but no, we'll cut funding to education, law enforcement, fire rescue and transportation.......yea, that's the ticket....:roll:

[GNs-r-slow]

As start-up costs goes, we arlready have county/state organizatons that already has this in place, IE probatio, parole, and many more.
I like the idea of the testing submit application for welfare and a urine sample. As far as the people already on welfare, let thier check not be in thier account on the 1st of the month, they'll come to find out why, take a piss test.

I do believe we need some type of welfare in place, but should only be for elderly, disabled or handicaped.... along those lines.
edit- good thred!!! forward this to Gov. Crist

[plazma]

The welfare in our country is a joke. I think they should have to bring back the food stamps rather then the little credit card so at least when you stand in line buying food like steak/shrimp/lobster we all know your trash and you can't hide it. Like big assed play money!

[Ford DNA]

I do believe we need some type of welfare in place, but should only be for elderly, disabled or handicaped.... along those lines.
edit- good thred!!! forward this to Gov. Crist

Agreed. After all, if someone HAD a job, and got laid off or fired, they could be receiving $275 a week for SIX MONTHS (possibly 9).

Welfare should be for those who CAN'T work. Or for those who are working but still struggling..

[97HATCHY]

theres plenty of ways around a drug test so its a waste of time.

[GNs-r-slow]

theres plenty of ways around a drug test so its a waste of time.
Yeah, but 95% of people are too stupid to stop..... ask many how many VOP bonds I do a week. Even when it comes to one's freedom they still take a "chance" and are still failures. "Why spend gov. money on ways around a piss test when I can buy another sack,rock, ect.. true story

[MiDiablo]

/\ knows what he's talkin about!

[19-Camaro-88]

If it wasn't for welfare i don't know how my family would have survived a few years ago. for those of you who don't know me, I'm 18, i work 2 jobs at about 75 hours a week, my dad is a crack head who tries to get clean but slips too often and as of friday is back in jail because of it, my mom works 2 jobs to try to support me, my 13 yr old brother and and my 7 yr old brother. a few years ago when there was no dad around and i was not old enough to work welfare checks and food stamps were sometimes the only ways we had any money to eat. im not saying give out welfare to anyone, especially drug users. but dont think to completely rid of it. there are millions of families struggling and every dollar aided to them means the difference between eating or going to bed hungry. some of you may or may not know what thats like, trust me its not fun forcing yourself to sleep cause you cant stand the pain of an empty stomach. growing up i was the one left hungry most of the time, i was the one who was older and gave to my brothers instead to myself. and even to this day i do the same things, thank god we got up on our feet some and nights like those dont happen any more, thats not the case for many families. so while some of you complain about the few dollars out of your checks that you may have spent on cigarettes, think about the kids who really need those couple dollars.

[shinysideup]

I hear ya, but how do you need to work 75 hrs a week to survive? damn. I live in this world too and dont understand that at all. We grew up better than poor on 40 hr paychecks from just my pops.

[GNs-r-slow]

Not to sound like a complete dick, but drug addiction is not a reason to collect welfare!!!!!! My Dad quit school when he was 13 to help feed his brothers and sisters. There was no welfare to be had so easily.... And thats the major problem, its too EASY!!!!!! I say let the people, capable of working starve for a few weeks and they'll get a job, they'll find a way to make things happen.

Drug addiction is a sore subject (excuse) with me, my Mom has 2 sons that have been making excuses (addiction) since I was 12, Im now 34. Notice how I dont call them brothers...... Ive outted them from that title. One is in prison for the 4, 5, 6 time.... and the other has a bond and I wont get him out, because he is in the same situation AGAIN, and will be going back to prison. Thats another free ride for the taxpayers.

Thats an Idea, have incarcerated inmates earn money, grow crops, animals....to feed the ones on welfare. I bet they tell thier bithes at home to get a job and stop collecting that shit

[19-Camaro-88]

I'm in no way saying addiction is a reason to collect welfare. but for a family who suffers from a parent who has been kicked out of the house because of it and struggles to make ends meet, with all the shit they (we) go through, shouldn't they deserve some kind of help? definitely not a free ride but just some help. every bit of income counts. thats why now i work 2 jobs to help my mom out.

and if anyone is wondering, i am not black, mexican, PR, ect... my mom is half black and my dad is white. i state this only because so many people have the image in their head that welfare is only given to blacks..ect..

[GNs-r-slow]

people have the image in their head that welfare is only given to blacks..ect..

Def. not the case. Laziness comes in all colors

[19-Camaro-88]

Def. not the case. Laziness comes in all colors

very true. but not all people on welfare are lazy, or maybe my mom was the only non lazy one :dunno: lol.. she worked her ass off. and i believe only the people that do work their ass off and still need help are the only ones who deserve it.

[95coBraSVT]

Welfare is meant to be a TEMPORARY help. Not a lifelone thing. I have used it. More than once even. But, as soon as I was back on my feet, I got off welfare. Why? Because I want it there when I need to again IF I need it again. Too many lazy users out there.

Look, a minimum wage job does not provide a "living wage". If it did, then no-one would need welfare or more than one job. Basicly, a minumum wage job is the one you take while still living at home until you get QUALIFICATIONS to work at a good paying job.

i.e. Work at McDonalds while in tech school and live at home or with a room mate. Once you finish tech school, you get a decent paying job and move into your own place.

Too many people work at McDonalds (or some other min wage dive) and say "Woe is me...I work two (or three) jobs and still can't make ends meet. I NEED welfare so I can survive. (pssst....got any rock)" Get a job skill. Welding doesn't take too long to learn at tech school, and is FAIRLY inexpensive for the schooling. The end result is that you have a TRADE that you will be able to do for almost your whole life. Carpentry is another. Take your pick...Electrician....Plumber (bonus with this one, you get to PROVIDE free crack! LOL) So....yes, you have to suffer for a while.....but not forever if you take life by the balls and let IT know whats up.

[GNs-r-slow]

very true. but not all people on welfare are lazy, or maybe my mom was the only non lazy one :dunno: lol.. she worked her ass off. and i believe only the people that do work their ass off and still need help are the only ones who deserve it.

My comment wasnt directed to your situation directly


welfare is only given to blacks..ect..

This is what I was replying to

[ODB]

BAMF is 100% correct.
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