2 Reasons Cars are Lowered

[senor honda]

Cars are lowered for 1. "the look" and 2. Performance.

I thank you for the compliment when you say my car does not look lowered. I lowered it (among other things) for performance, not for "the look".

In South Tampa where an increasing number of people bring their cars to be worked on by me, the cops look for lowered cars. As part of "urban camoflage" my car does NOT have "the look"............on purpose.....when a person sees my car beside a stock Accord, the difference is pretty obvious.

So I take it as a compliment when, without a tape measure, or a car to compare with, you say it does not look lowered. The cops see it the same way that you do.
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As for lowering a car for "the look"................folks, I can make your car "look" lowered without doing anything to the suspension!

And if you start thinking creatively, you can do it the same as I can.-Bob

[Codeine Fein]

very well put bob

[CEMAYHALL]

As for lowering a car for "the look"................folks, I can make your car "look" lowered without doing anything to the suspension!

Please enlighten me how you plan on doing this!

[senor honda]

When a person gets into the creative part of their mind, and away from hating and criticizing, they open themselves up to new ideas.

Start thinking of what makes a car look low.-Bob
Please enlighten me how you plan on doing this!

[FrodoGT]

Less wheel gap and lower body panels.

[senor honda]

Right on FrodoGT! I admire creative thinkers............who's next?-Bob
Less wheel gap and lower body panels.

[Troux]

Car full of fat chicks.

[kumar.]

^ lmao

[omgwtfbbq!]

+1 Cement in the trunk and fat chicks in the seats

[senor honda]

LOL! I like your sense of humor..............even I had not thought of those last two......:lol: :lol: :lol: -Bob :cool:

[CEMAYHALL]

Dear Bob,

Please tell me how you plan on doing this! I would like to hear it from YOU seeing I'm not a "creative thinker!"

The only thing I can think of is a body kit... <~ And those were :thumbdwn: since 1999.

[OMG IT'S A COP]

dead hookers in the trunk.

[omgwtfbbq!]

If you bought a ditch witch, and dug two trenches in the roadway to and from everywhere you go, and then proceeded to drive in those ditches, your car would look lower. Alternatively, you could just dig four holes in your yard and park in them, which would save time and money. One may also fill all of one's doors and exterior panels with something heavy like filler sand, great for noise deadening and a reduced ride height. The performance of such a vehicle, however, would be appalling.

[hombredelassrtas]

BobI see you have legal counsel in your sig. is john a lawyer and at what firm as 16 seems overly cheap?

Also I don’t understand why so many people on here are so cheap that they can’t just save for some coilovers (even cheap set of ground controls/skunk2 with matching kyb shocks or something) where you can raise the car daily and lower it when you want to show it off. Though bob seems to always have some holy grail cheap solution to everything, if it was done correctly the 1st time by saving initially and spending money you would not have to find these "magical tricks" to do something can be done with the correct parts

[OMG IT'S A COP]

because some of us don't give a fuck and enjoy being low and slow. i dented my power steering pump the other day on a speed bump. do i care? nope, i got another one.....

[hombredelassrtas]

^^ i completely agree on wanting to be low and slow :) but thats not on point with this thread which is to be high and slow but look low for cheap with some magical modification as opposed to doing it correctly

[senor honda]

Hombre, your question about legal insurance is off topic, and I have moved it to General car Chat.

Here's the link.
http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/general-car-chat/481429-question-about-legal-insurance.html#post5349838
-Bob

BobI see you have legal counsel in your sig. is john a lawyer and at what firm as 16 seems overly cheap?

Also I don’t understand why so many people on here are so cheap that they can’t just save for some coilovers (even cheap set of ground controls/skunk2 with matching kyb shocks or something) where you can raise the car daily and lower it when you want to show it off. Though bob seems to always have some holy grail cheap solution to everything, if it was done correctly the 1st time by saving initially and spending money you would not have to find these "magical tricks" to do something can be done with the correct parts

[hombredelassrtas]

all i wanted to know was the name of the firm, rahter not have a whole thread made

[senor honda]

The point of this thread was to discuss reasons why people lower a car.
If all a person wants is the look, you can get the look without changing the suspension........and some people have offered some solutions.

and folks, I don't object that people pay too much for things. Example:
Some people pay $20 per month for the same internet that I access for $3.95 per month. My cell phone costs $8.50 per month and some people pay more. Some people pay more to drive Crown Victorias, and some people drive imports and save money.....................

There is a price for knowledge and there is a price for not knowing. Sometimes you get more than you pay for, so put the money saved in your gas tank.

In life there is more than one way to do something, there is more than one opinion on everything. If you ever had the thought that your way was the "only" way to do something, you need to get more creative.

There's always a better way. There's always a better solution.
Having a better/different idea is not a "magical" solution.
We have progress in the world because people did not accept
the idea that "We've always done it that way".-Bob

My car sits low to perform better in the turns, which it does, and not to "look" low. If you want to go for a ride, sometime, it might
be fun.......-Bob

i completely agree on wanting to be low and slow :) but thats not on point with this thread which is to be high and slow but look low for cheap with some magical modification as opposed to doing it correctly

[hombredelassrtas]

I guess spending money on parts that are thorough tested and track proven is just not worth it? I guess I can see buying parts from companies with years of specialized productions, research crews, testing crews is a waste and fabing up a part in a garage for a fraction of the price would be just as good and guaranteed to perform just the same. I am not saying there is one way, there are plenty of ways. Plenty of ways that are all tested, proven, guaranteed and unfortunately few of which are cheap as it costs to build something correctly.

This is not a personal attack on you bob, this is an attack on the mentality that if its cheap and "works" its good. Sure the other mentality, if it’s expensive its good is wrong as well. Shoot look at all of the k-sport coils that have blown in the past year on all makes/models. They seem to be predisposed to blow and still cost a pretty penny, but the consumer needs to have the knowledge and ability to search and find these things out.

[CEMAYHALL]

Bob, You posted that you can make the car appear to be low with-out touching the suspension!

Well BOB, I'm asking you this: WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO MAKE THE CAR "LOOK" LOWER???

[hombredelassrtas]

thats easy. add a REALLY low front/rear bumper and really low side skirts. then weld on more metal (or do it the "cost effective way" in Bondo) to the fender arches to reduce wheel gap. or get really massive tires. Prettymuch turning your car into what would look like a lowered Mini-van in stance


i am also curious about your car bob. lots of talk about how it looks but no pics. show us how bob does it

[CEMAYHALL]

thats easy. add a REALLY low front/rear bumper and really low side skirts. then weld on more metal (or do it the "cost effective way" in Bondo) to the fender arches to reduce wheel gap. or get really massive tires. Prettymuch turning your car into what would look like a lowered Mini-van in stance

But it wouldnt it be MUCH more cheaper just to lower it with good suspension? ~> That way you get something out of it other than just nasty body work!

I figured Bob might have his own solution to the thread he created... ~> This thread is seriously pointless without the creator's "solution." Its the equivalent to me creating a thread: "Hey I heard this really funny joke but get creative and think of your own!"

Bob, why make this post unless youre going to tell us what your "creative" solution is?

[longfellow2]

Yea I dont really get it, bigger wheels dont really fill the gap any more it just replaces high side wall tires with wheel size to a point, then after that all it does is raise the car higher off the ground.


The only way I know to get the "lowered" look is to actually lower the car.

[hombredelassrtas]

^^ apparently we are not thinking creatively . . . ;)

[longfellow2]

Creativity and functionality are two different things. If they were similar then ricers could say thier wings provide useable downforce at speed not unessesary and useless drag.

[hombredelassrtas]

are you saying when i have my massive wing on my FWD car it didnt do anything more then holding my trunk down????? :D I am in complete agreement with you as per my other posts. There are a number of correct ways to do things, then there is the clear wrong way . . .

[longfellow2]

lolz I know, I was just throwing out an example.

[senor honda]

Catch me at the meets and we will look at your car. I talk with a lot of people about suspensions, if you want information.

If a person asks questions to get something to hate or criticize from, as some people do, then don't waste our time.-Bob

Bob, You posted that you can make the car appear to be low with-out touching the suspension!

Well BOB, I'm asking you this: WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO MAKE THE CAR "LOOK" LOWER???

[senor honda]

Hombre,
When you see my car at the meets, the pictures on the dash show it beside a stock Accord....................anyone can take a look.-Bob

While I can appreciate your sense of humor, I don't consider bondo as a cost effective way to change the appearance of wheel arches.....
thats easy. add a REALLY low front/rear bumper and really low side skirts. then weld on more metal (or do it the "cost effective way" in Bondo) to the fender arches to reduce wheel gap. or get really massive tires. Prettymuch turning your car into what would look like a lowered Mini-van in stance

i am also curious about your car Bob. lots of talk about how it looks but no pics. show us how Bob does it

[senor honda]

Longfellow,
A discussion on wings is off topic here and I have moved it to
General Car Chat. Here is the link.-Bob

http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/general-car-chat/481875-wing-front-vs-wing-back.html#post5355927


Creativity and functionality are two different things. If they were similar then ricers could say thier wings provide useable downforce at speed not unessesary and useless drag.

[hombredelassrtas]

i wont be at a meet in a long time as i wont be in tampa for the summer. i'd still really like to see your car esp a side profile shot and possibly shot of the suspension work. I wish i could see it in person but not going to happen anytime soon.

As for the bondo . . . i was just thinking "creatively" per your post ;) I REALLY do not think bondo, nor do i think lowering the body pannels are effective ways of making the car look lowered at all. Those suggestions were in complete joking manner and I hoped the people of TR understood that as i would hope noone would actually do that

[hombredelassrtas]

and just because i am a picture whore . . . here is ONE OF the CORRECT ways to have a lowered car with performance and having the ability to look stock when needed

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/hombredelassrtas/08%20Daytona%20SBN/My%20Car/P3290011.jpg

[CEMAYHALL]

Show-Off :P.

[hombredelassrtas]

lol keep it going. post up your suspension itself. We can show all of the different proper ways to work on the suspension ;)

[CEMAYHALL]

lol keep it going. post up your suspension itself. We can show all of the proper ways to work on the suspension ;)
What suspension? ~> I ride on cut springs and stock shocks!

[longfellow2]

How my car sits right now, Im waiting on some adjustable arms before it goes lower so I can get everything dialed in properly. It still has about 2 inches left to go, but it will go down maybe another 3/4 of an inch.

-2.5 camber out back :)

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k234/initialkoncept/S14/new9.jpg
using these
http://www.splparts.com/main4/parts/SilviaShared/Suspension/Coilovers/KTSCoilovers.jpg

[hombredelassrtas]

very nice, i like the stance and the -2.5 isnt too much. I am having to go around 3 for front and back to get the wheels to tuck. i dont really care about the tires as they are free ;) what brand are your coils. we dont have any company with blue/black colors for the celica (though we really dont have any companies that make parts for the celica)

[longfellow2]

KTS out of japan. SPLparts.com is the only company in the states that I know of that imports them(nissan only).

The have a sweet warrenty and if I break one completly I can replace the entire thing for 250$

They also are limited to what cars they make coils for, S13-S15, skylines, Z cars, RX7's Imprezzas/WRX's some civics/integras, Supras some other JDM toyotas mostly the most popular street cars in japan.

They ride amazing too, the dont bounce one bit, and when set at a lower dampening rate they ride quite comforably (for me atleast), and I still 3 wheel into every driveway or steep angle embankment.

[hombredelassrtas]

did some searching and yea kts seems like a really decent company

KTS (http://www.kts-web.com/overseas/index.html)

[longfellow2]

(R)(P)S13 / S14 / S15 / HCR32 / BNR32 /
ECR33 / BCNR33 / ER34 / BNR34 / Z33 /
JZX90 / JZX100 / JZX110 / JZA70 / GZ20 /
SXE10 / FC3S / FD3S / NA6C / NA8C / GC8 /
GDA / GDB / CP9A / CT9A / EG6 / EK9 / DC2 /
DC5 / AP1 / CL1 / CL7

those are all the cars. there are a few toyotas on there.

The also make these cool upper mounts so you can lower your car even more once you bottom out the coilover and you dont have to start over preloading the spring and blow your shock.

http://www.kts-web.com/overseas/product/damper/img/db_z.jpg

[hombredelassrtas]

yea no zz's so we get pwned :( ill just supper with the teins for now