americas future?

[blacksheep-1]

please take just over 5 minutes to view this.

Modern road to White House 'verges on insane,' says Gingrich - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/08/gingrich/index.html#cnnSTCVideo)

BTW' God bless our Armed forces

[ODB]

I won't even open it....only because it's from CNN....

[ODB]

I watched it anyway.....

he is right....we are too soft.......

when we fought in the WW's we dropped massive bombs....then we went back and gave the survivors wheel barrels and shovels and told them to rebuild their country.....Glenn Beck said this today.......made so much sense....
look at those countries today...Japan, Germany....etc.....

We need to make a stand and fight the way we used too.....all or nothing.....

get the fuck out ......

Drop the bombs now.......

[Strokd85]

glenn beck is an idiot... at least oriely offers up both sides for discussion....

sorry, my .02...

[Stewart Scott]

We are at war with an ideology not territory. It is different and much more involved with the economy and dependancy on oil, global trade and relations. we MUST stay, we will never be out of that country or any country we have relations with. We will succeed, it will happen.

[95coBraSVT]

The problem with a war such as this one (a religous/ideological war) is that it can never be won. When do we declare victory? When they give up? Well, in a religious war, they have no problems with dying for their "allah" or God. They actually view it as a great honor. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world right now, so we aren't going to kill them all. How do you win? When do you delare victory? When do you just say it isn't worth it anymore? When Osama Bin Ladin is killed?

*Don't look now, but the CIA is likely watching now because of my statement above containing Bin Ladins name LOL*

When he is killed (BTW, my BIL, who was in special forces Army, had him in his sights once years ago and was told to stand down) They will view him as a martyr and celebrate. In fact, it will probably fuel them even more. I'm not saying pull out and quit, but lets have a clear goal that is attainable. Define "winning" this war in Afganistan. Define "winning" in Iraq. THEN we will be able to do it. Our military can achieve ANYHING. If you tell them to kill em all, they will. If you tell them to kill every man, but leave the women, they will. If you tell them to kill all the adults, they will. If you tell them to kill EVERYTHING, they will. Tell them what the goal is, and they CAN and WILL achieve it.

[DrDirt]

Well, if they are fighting a religious war, there seems to be only two choices for when the war is over:

1) It is over when the entire world is Muslim.

2) It is over when all the radical muslims are dead.

Personally, I vote for #2. If anyone is aware of a 3rd choice, I'm open to convincing arguments not wistful thinking.

[95coBraSVT]

2) It is over when all the radical muslims are dead.
No wistful thinking here, but islam teaches that anyone who is not a muslim must be killed or pay a "jizza", or slave tax. If you are not a muslim, you must a) convert b) be killed or c) pay the jizza.

Killing all the muslims is not a viable option as it is the 2nd largest religion in the world next to Christianity, but it's gaining fast.:(

[KAILUAZ]

If you have young kids I would HIGHLY recommend reading "Terror at Beslan" by John Giduck. I just took a class of his and was shocked at how close we are to having a school siege right here in America.
Its coming and we are not prepared in any way. This type of incident would bring America to its knees politically, socially, and economically.
I could go on and on, but the bottom line is we are in for a real wake up call that will devastate our way of life. Hopping up the Mustang will be the last thing you will think of when you go to bed at night!
Gym with bombs strung on and between the hoops:
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL413/683028/10313345/309639198.jpg
Man with child:
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL413/683028/10313345/309639197.jpg
A small part of the aftermath:
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL413/683028/10313345/309639196.jpg

[DrDirt]

WEll, hopefully that's not something that will bring America to its knees but rather make them finally stand up.

So, why isn't killing them all a viable option? They seem to think that killing all of us is a viable option. I'm not ready to throw in the towel just yet and become Muslim.

[95coBraSVT]

Wipe out almost half of the worlds population? Yeah, THATS going to happen. Think again. Thats why it isn't a viable option. Further, many men in prominant places are muslims. There is another reason why it isn't a viable option. Using the "eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth" thought process leaves everyone blind and toothless. They are trying to be bullies, and we aren't letting them bully us. I never said you had to roll over and turn muslim. Quite the oposite....I say to fight, but give us an achieveable goal. Something like a death rate or attack rate of less than 2 per week in the hot zones. THEN we will be seeing achievement.

[Iraq&Roll]

Radical Islam is an illness and should be treated as such. Copious amounts of High explosives would be a good start. Then tell them that we are sorry about our economy and that our smart bombs have run out. Time to revert back to good old carpet bombing. Then throw in a few neutron bombs and tell them... see! They did have a nuclear program.

[ODB]

I hope Bush starts some crazy shit just before he departs....and then hands it over to McCain.

Maybe a new campaign called "shock and whoops"....gotta' go!

don't we have a shelf life on our ammo?? ...


another idea would be to just snipe and pick off these fucks one at a time...

not to change gears...but I think Hugo Chavez and The Iranian cocksucker would be the first to go..


call that campaign " who did it??"

[95coBraSVT]

There is no such thing as "radical" islam. They are ALL radicals, just some are more overt about it than others. Some take up arms, others just fund, and still others simply sit back and don't do anything to stop the others.

Radical muslims are just plain muslims. they are all the same. Some act nice to your face, but as soon as you turn, they are planning ways to kill your family or more soldiers if you don't convert. Sad, but true.

More reality, some simply recite what they are told to from the quran. Thay have no idea what it actually means, only that they are required to say it. They blindly follow and bitterly fight anyone who opposes them.

[DrDirt]

Radical muslims are just plain muslims. they are all the same. Some act nice to your face, but as soon as you turn, they are planning ways to kill your family or more soldiers if you don't convert. Sad, but true.

And yet you say killing them all or throwing in the towel and becoming Muslims ourselves are not viable options? What then are we to do?

[95coBraSVT]

Maybe kill a lot of them or until they have a dis-taste for fighting. However, here in America, we have laws against what needs to be done. Thereby making it illegal to discriminate against them because of their religion. I don't make the laws....I only abide by and enforce them.

[blacksheep-1]

FWIW General John J. Pershing (of WW-1 fame) took part in the Moro uprising in the Phillipines, the Moro were (and still are, radical muslims). At one point, they captured several dozen, they executed all of them with rounds dipped in pig's blood, they cut up the bodies so they wouldn't get to "heaven", but they let the last one go to tell his buddies.
If you look at the original person called "Dracula" his name was actually Vlad the Impaler, he was noted for taking his enemies and impaling them on stakes at times , several hundred of them. His enemies were usually muslim, and in one case they (muslims) finally turned back in disgust, which turned into a prolonged peace.
IMO, Gitmo, is not torture, sawing a guy's head off on the internet is torture. I say we give as good as we take, nothing else seems to make an impression.
At the very least, could the media at least quit kissing thier asses?

R.I.P. Andy Frederichs FDNY 9-11-01

[DrDirt]

Maybe kill a lot of them or until they have a dis-taste for fighting. However, here in America, we have laws against what needs to be done. Thereby making it illegal to discriminate against them because of their religion. I don't make the laws....I only abide by and enforce them.


Yes, as I said, hopefully America will wake up...before we "nice" ourselves to death. We have to be willing to play the game like the rest of the players.

But, as you said, ALL of them are radicals. If that is the case, there is no such thing as killing "enough" of them until they are willing to leave us alone. We have the technology to protect ourselves. We just don't have the balls to do it...yet.

That's one good thing about being an old fart. I will have lived my life in the best country in the best times in the history of the Earth. For that, I am very thankfull. But I seriously worry for the rest of you kids out there. I truly don't think you realize what freedoms have been handed to you because you have never known anything else. And I don't think most of you know what it will take to preserve those freedoms. I fear that America will be the greatest shortest lived "empire" that this world has ever known. We're like a bowl of gunpowder with sparks flying all around. We are going to burn hot, brightly and very quickly.

[Iraq&Roll]

I am on my 5th year living in Muslim societies from Eastern Europe to the Middle East. There is a difference between radical rag heads that their only accomplishment in life is to have been born with a penis in one hand, and a Koran in the other. Their Koran does not translate well in English. But what the fuck would I know about that?
I agree with the tactics of Jack Black Pershing.

As a matter of fact, their holly book says that a religion of people not of their own with good human rights will prevail over them. In my opinion if they need to be nuked to get their attention so be it.

[95coBraSVT]

We are too concerned with harming "innocents". Thos same "innocents" are the ones who will come and carry a suicide bomb into our soldiers tents. America better wise up soon or it will be brought down from within. Our country has pussyfied its self.

[Iraq&Roll]

I declare Jihad on this thread.

In the last year I have been working out of the Al Anbar province of Iraq. A large part of the west is now somewhat peaceful compared to what it was a few years before. The reason is that the local population that had helped the AQI turned against them. The "radical" Muslims were imposing their version of Islam and the Sunni people got fed up with them. Flat out kicked them out. And that was a good thing for the Marines as they desperately needed the help. Now the people in the west are fighting corruption within their own government and unfortunately it is at all levels. I feel very sure that AQI will never get another foothold in this area ever again. The Kurds in the north are just doing what they do. In the south Iran has a big influence as they do in Baghdad.

Now on to Iran.....they are truly the bad guys in the scenario. I feel that the entire middle east will remain sitting on the fence until there is one clear victor in this conflict. All eyes are waiting to see how the US vs Iran conflict will play out. If you thought that in your lifetime you would not see nukes fired in anger....give it a few more years. Unless there is a 180 turn with the regime in Iran, all I can say is we ain't seen nothing yet.

[blacksheep-1]

Unfortunately, I think that you're probably right.
BTW anyone ever read the books of Ezekial or Daniel?
I'm not a huge Bible thumper but it sure looks like we're heading in that direction.
Here's what I fear, that one day we'll lose a city, then the government will step in and start curbing freedoms (speech, firearms, etc) and since probably most people around these days want peace more than anything else, and they don't understand or appreciate the freedoms that we have, they'll let the government run their lives. At that point, the bad guys have won.
*And I'll have to seceed from the union and start a new conferderacy based on the original constitution, so someone save a copy. Preferably in English.

[blacksheep-1]

Well, as I was saying, it seems like the Dutch are more p-whipped than we are. Notice terms like "the government should do something", "Freedom of speech has limits", "Afraid of sparking violence".
I'm over this BS.
I gotta see this movie
Dutch protest anti-Koran film - Europe - MSNBC.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23757212)

[SpyVO]

Well, if they are fighting a religious war, there seems to be only two choices for when the war is over:

1) It is over when the entire world is Muslim.

2) It is over when all the radical muslims are dead.

Personally, I vote for #2. If anyone is aware of a 3rd choice, I'm open to convincing arguments not wistful thinking.

Maybe kill a lot of them or until they have a dis-taste for fighting.

But this:

in a religious war, they have no problems with dying for their "allah" or God. They actually view it as a great honor.

...is why I agree with DrDirt.

Stuff like this is why I'm not having kids.

[DrDirt]

Why, thank you Mr. Schleffler. :)