'92 coupe 427w project.

[Rookie]

This was listed in another forum, but as I'm an attention whore, I decided to repost it here. :mullet:

Bought this car off of a forum member back in '06. As purchased it was a 4 cylinder converted to a 302. It had chrome cobra Rs and leather '95 seats.

As she was when I brought her home:
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/Jackson081.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/Jackson112Medium.jpg

Shortly after getting her home, I did the following upgrades


Suspension

MM FL subframes
MM strut tower
UMI upper/lower torque box plates
Eibach drag springs with rear airbag
Pro3i upper and lower CAs
'93gt front spindles with 5 lug powerslot rotors
'95 rear axle, 31 spline axles, FMS 3.73 gears, 5 lug discs
Weld Prostars: 15x4 with skinnies, 15x8 275/50 M/T ET Streets
Strange 10 way adjustable shocks/strutsAfter suspension upgrades and Prostars with Big'n'littles
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/Jackson557-1.jpg

Vid with stock headers, 2.5" Mac offroad H, 2 chamber flows, and 2.5" flowmaster tailpipes.

Mustang2-12-08.flv - Video - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting (http://s86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/?action=view&current=Mustang2-12-08.flv)

Let if like that for a little bit and then had Chad at Racing Innovations upgrade the fuel system

Fuel System

Custom fuel rails
FMS 42lb injectors
Glenn's Performance 950hp system
Street sleeper sumped tank
Dual Walbro 255lph inlines
NHRA approved fuel lines
Fuel system installed by Chad at www.racinginnovationsfl.com (http://www.racinginnovationsfl.com)


http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/Fuelpump2Large.jpg

I decided to go 351 stroker for the motor. I waffled a lot on exactly what I wanted to do and how much money I wanted to dump into this project. Originally I was going to go budget with a '69-'74 block with cast internals and Procomp heads. After purchasing the Procomp 210s and talking to my engine builder, I decided to commit a little more money, but since I already had the procomps I made the decision (Bad or not, we'll see in the end) to have them worked by Greg at XSRcylinderheads.

Engine

Dart Sportsman Block 4.125 bore
Procomp 210s now 215s with 64cc chambers worked by XSRcylinderheads
FMS victor jr intake converted to EFI also worked by XSRcylinderheads
Camshaft innovations custom hyd. roller (.623/.609 236.11/253.9 109/114)
Eagle forged internals 0 balanced
JE SRP 19cc dished pistons (10.419:1 compression)
Stainless 1.6 roller rockers
PMAS 95mm "Velocity" mass air meter
Anderson 4" powerpipe
Accufab 90mm TB
FMS 42lbs injectors
Canton 7qt oil panExhaust

Mac 1 3/4" x 3" long tubes
Mac 3" Prochamber
Dynomax 3" ultra flow turndowns
Pile'o'parts
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/HeadsMedium.jpg

Motor arrived from Rick at www.rnhperformance.com (http://www.rnhperformance.com)
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/Dart427W2-8-082.jpg



At this point, I just need to get all the stuff over to Chad so he can get started on the install. Will post up more info as things progress.

[JayVee]

damn! That is a beautiful soon 2 b BEAST!

[Adrenalin]

attention post whore all you want bro, that looks like it's gonna be badass. Besides that's how people like me learn and get ideas! :headbang:


Repped

[302andSome]

Sweet. Gonna be a nitrous motor?

[Rookie]

Sweet. Gonna be a nitrous motor?


Planning on nitrous eventually, but going to need to spend a bunch of money in other areas first. Transmission first I guess.

[302andSome]

That's easy, sell your EFI stuff and go carb :mullet:

[slow poke]

very nice !!!!! :D

[Tiffiny]

sweet

[351coupe]

Seen your car and motor up a Racing Innovations tonight,looks good bro!

[Rookie]

Seen your car and motor up a Racing Innovations tonight,looks good bro!

Just a puddle of oil in the garage marking where she usually sits.....:(

[MiDiablo]

Rookie,

I got a chance to photograph you car for you/Chad today... Here are some updated pics of the progress :bigthumb:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2396.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2395.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2397.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2406.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2407.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2405.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2404.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2403.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2402.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2401.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2390.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2391.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2392.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2393.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2394.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2400.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2399.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2398.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2408.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2409.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/MiDiablo/100_2410.jpg

Car is coming along nicely and you'll be very happy with the work you get from Chad and Racing Innovations man!

-Jo$h

[351coupe]

I was up there today too,the car is looking killer dude!!I want to hear that 427 purrrr!You need a tranny...asap

[Rookie]

I was up there today too,the car is looking killer dude!!I want to hear that 427 purrrr!You need a tranny...asap


I've considered having a tranny put in while it is there, but I want to have her home for a little bit at some point. Since MiDiablo posted the pics, I've pretty much just stayed logged in on this thread and look at the pictures.:sadwave:

[MiDiablo]

/\ :lmao:

Just do eeeet. Cuz you'll wanna drive the car and driving it with that stock tranny = :puke:

[riverviewnative]

Oh no not those cheap ass cork vavle cover gaskets. :)

[n8secstangg]

those gaskets arent being used, good ole motorsport steel core gaskets are whats there now :) thanks for all the kind words fellas....got the exhaust all buttoned up tonight and got brians rearend finished tonight...

[351coupe]

:headbang: You da man!!! Oh thanks for the help tonight over the phone,much appriciated.

[Rookie]

those gaskets arent being used, good ole motorsport steel core gaskets are whats there now :) thanks for all the kind words fellas....got the exhaust all buttoned up tonight and got brians rearend finished tonight...

These pictures done got me all fired up. Losing sleep now
:nworthy:

[Rookie]

A little closer.....

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/427W6-4-083Large.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/427W6-4-08Large.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/427W6-4-082Large.jpg

[bvh]

looks good .. it will get done this stuff takes a while ..:wiggle:

[MiDiablo]

Mmm Mmm Good! :mullet:

[99cobra281]

very nice man

[LS1COUPE]

silver coupe + black interior = sexy.

seriously, very nice car.

[n8secstangg]

back from vacation...time to get it fired up this week!!!

[Rookie]

No complaint, but I thought you were out of town for work this week?

[n8secstangg]

i was on vacation last week...unsure of my schedule this week yet but i dont think ill be out of town...

[stang stroker]

rookie i wouldnt worry bout the pro comp's know guyz makin big power with 'em and i did some research on them, your combo should kick azz!!!

nice ass project !! heres a link on the heads

Putting an end to the the Pro Comp head mystery-*many pics in here* - Corral Forums (http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=861352)

[Rookie]

rookie i wouldnt worry bout the pro comp's know guyz makin big power with 'em and i did some research on them, your combo should kick azz!!!

nice ass project !! heres a link on the heads

Putting an end to the the Pro Comp head mystery-*many pics in here* - Corral Forums (http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=861352)

Thanks for the compliments and the support. Will be posting updates as they become available.

[Rookie]

Chad got her fired up. Good oil pressure, lot of valve train noise. He pulled the valve covers and the rockers were misaligned on the valves, which is something I've heard reported on the Procomp heads. Ordered some adjustable guides, which are on backorder. Also some rubbing pushrods which he will be doing some clearancing.

[MiDiablo]

/\ Dayum man... sorry to hear of this!!

For the record, that's why I just ditched them alllllllll together. Much better heads to be had for the money and less of a headache man.

Glad to hear everything else checks out okay though bro!

[Rookie]

/\ Dayum man... sorry to hear of this!!

For the record, that's why I just ditched them alllllllll together. Much better heads to be had for the money and less of a headache man.

Glad to hear everything else checks out okay though bro!

I would at least like to get the miles on the motor with the procomps to make it to a dyno tuning session to see what it puts down before ditching them for a set of AFR/TFS heads.

[n8secstangg]

once we get the geometry sorted out i think they will be ok...i had talked to greg about these style heads a couple years ago when they first came out...a ported set of pro-somps compared to an equivalent set of ported victor jrs were only about a 30hp difference advantage for the victor jrs...but a a set of high ports in the future would be pretty nasty...lol

[Rookie]

Last night, I had a dream that my car was running and I was driving it around.....


Can anyone recommend some sort of support group?

[302andSome]

If you find one let me know

[MiDiablo]

/\ +2

[351coupe]

Last night, I had a dream that my car was running and I was driving it around.....


Can anyone recommend some sort of support group?:lol: I hear ya on that one brother!!!Highports FTW!

[AcidiCyn_]

sick

[n8secstangg]

got the guideplates in today..im going to take some pics of the misalignment and the pushrods rubbing and then take pics of them fixed..

[franktf]

got the guideplates in today..im going to take some pics of the misalignment and the pushrods rubbing and then take pics of them fixed..

Sweet, those pic's could be very helpful to anyone else on here that might want to try using those heads.....

[Rookie]

got the guideplates in today..im going to take some pics of the misalignment and the pushrods rubbing and then take pics of them fixed..

I believe someone on the corral had posted some pictures of the misalignment as well. I should take a look for those and see if it is exactly the same. I've found several posts that mention it, and I have to assume that most if not all of the Procomps have this misalignment flaw. I wonder how many are unaware and not correcting the problem.


***EDIT: Here are the pics and the thread from the corral of someone else with the same misalignment and the pics of what another guy did buy cutting and rewelding the guideplates.

Misalignment
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/MisalignedRocker.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/MisalignedRocker2.jpg

Cut and welded guidplate and resulting geometry
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/MisalignedRocker2weldedguidplates.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/MisalignedRockerweldedguidplates.jpg


thread:
http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=867669&highlight=procomp+rockers

[n8secstangg]

yeah same problem...im sure its a machining misalignment or miscalculation on their part, i also have to clearance the head for the pushrods, they are rubbing the top of the hole..ill post a pic of the Isky plates as well

[Rookie]

My car and I have been estranged for 4 months today. My bicycle has taken up residence in her space....

[n8secstangg]

i got alot done today :) just being held up by the lifter now :(

[MiDiablo]

PICS PICS PICS!!!!!!!

:dunce:

[Rookie]

PICS PICS PICS!!!!!!!

:dunce:


Of the bicycle? Sure :D

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/DSC04938.jpg

[69Boss521]

Pink Bucket FTMFW!

[Rookie]

i got alot done today :) just being held up by the lifter now :(

Slow and steady wins the race. I didn't realize it had been exactly 4 months yesterday that I dropped my car off until a buddy was asking me about my car and he told me he followed me over there to drop it off in March, and the old lady rearended his car on the way. Time flies.

Pink Bucket FTMFW!

I'm red/green color blind so I have to take your word for it. I also have to take my wife's word on the color of clothing she sometimes buys for me....:oops:

[Rookie]

I wouldn't even know where to start to tell the tale with these procomp heads.

[n8secstangg]

depends on which of the heads you are talking about, drivers side or passengers side :dunno:

[MiDiablo]

Group Buy on some Victor Jr's :dunno:

[Rookie]

Group Buy on some Victor Jr's :dunno:

Thinking about a set of the 212cc CNC'd Canfields, but Vic Juniors aren't off the table by any means.

[n8secstangg]

here are a few pics of the valvetrain and a roller lifter that was broken

[69Boss521]

So would you buy the heads again knowing what you do now? I am set on picking up AFR 225's when my motor is done, I have been hearing alot about the procomp's though.... some good some bad.

[Rookie]

So would you buy the heads again knowing what you do now? I am set on picking up AFR 225's when my motor is done, I have been hearing alot about the procomp's though.... some good some bad.

Absolutely not. I knew there were a lot of problems with them, and I knowingly went ahead with the purchase. However, I really never expected to have basically unusuable heads after all the work I've had done to them. I figured I would get them all fixed up, put the car on the dyno, and see what I got. I would then run them for a while and ultimately switch out to different heads. Maybe it will still happen that way, but I don't think so. I bought these heads in January of '07 and I they still aren't sorted out.

[69Boss521]

How much $$ do you have into them now? I snooped around the Chevy websites and they have alot of problems with the Procomp LS1 heads. They even did a Dyno run on some they put alot of money into and they were out-performed by a set of ported stock heads.

[Rookie]

How much $$ do you have into them now? I snooped around the Chevy websites and they have alot of problems with the Procomp LS1 heads. They even did a Dyno run on some they put alot of money into and they were out-performed by a set of ported stock heads.


A lot for what they are. $500 bare, $800 of port work, ~$400 in springs, locks, retainers, valves.

So about $1700 plus the adjustable guide plates, new pushrods that were needed, and at this point they are being pulled tomorrow to have them looked at to see if the misplaced stud holes can be relocated.

[MiDiablo]

Mmmmmm, man hands :mullet:

Rookie, I'm sorry you're having these issues bro. I wish you the best of luck in getting it resolved.

On the flip-side, if you seriously decide on getting a set of Victor Jr's - I'm all for trying to set-up a group buy of some sort. I'll put them on my dad-gum credit card if I have to.

[Rookie]

Mmmmmm, man hands :mullet:

Rookie, I'm sorry you're having these issues bro. I wish you the best of luck in getting it resolved.

On the flip-side, if you seriously decide on getting a set of Victor Jr's - I'm all for trying to set-up a group buy of some sort. I'll put them on my dad-gum credit card if I have to.

Leaning more towards a set of Victor Jr.'s instead of the Canfields, however, I would probably buy a set from whoever I am going to have port them. Maybe a group buy on some Foxlake/TEA/XSR Stg II Victor Jrs? :nerd:

[n8secstangg]

i dropped them off today...if someone else would be interested in either TEA or foxlake i will set it up...

[MiDiablo]

Prolly too much $$$ for my blood if we're talking about full on port work, etc. I was thinking "box-stock" and 9.04's :dunno: :naughty:

[Rookie]

Interested to see what they say about the heads. Not sure about the group buy since historically all the ones I've been involved in have taken a lot of time to get set up and finalized and then dealing with someone like TEA/Fox Lake who probably has 3-4 weeks turn around time at best..... I just want to drive the turd :)

[Rookie]

btw, TEA quoted 10-14 days turnaround for a set of heads. After 15 years of dealing with this kind of stuff, I figure that equates to about 3 months "real-world" time?

[IwinUlose]

I had a set of TW that were ported buy TEA. I shipped them out next day air with confirmation. I had them 2 weeks later.

[n8secstangg]

i agree about TEA, they have always been pretty close to their time table...

[69Boss521]

Well I was going to go with either 205 or 225 AFR's but a group buy on some vic jr's would do less damage to the wallet. Let me know what you guys are going to set up and when.

[n8secstangg]

if you wanted som TEA's i could maybe do something with that...just plain victor jrs i dunno but ill see if there is anything i can do

[Rookie]

Going to give the Procomps one more shot.
Chad had the rocker stud holes essentially relocated to correct the geometry problem.

Ran into a problem with getting a replacement link-bar lifter to match the set that was in the motor.

Shooting for having the car running by this weekend and hopefully on the road early next week to see how much farther these Procomps are going to take us down the proverbial rabbit's hole.

one step forward, three steps back?:beer:

[MiDiablo]

Best of luck to you bro! Keep us in the loop, and get some video footage when you get the gal back on the road!! :D

[cochese]

i agree about TEA, they have always been pretty close to their time table...

I never asked how long they would take to port my jr's,but 3 months later they were shipped back.After seeing how they turned out I bit my tounge not to bitch about the time,the price was not the cheapest but again the work was 110%

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg79/cochese51105/DSC05449.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg79/cochese51105/DSC05451.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg79/cochese51105/DSC05452.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg79/cochese51105/DSC05455.jpg

[Rookie]

I never asked how long they would take to port my jr's,but 3 months later they were shipped back.After seeing how they turned out I bit my tounge not to bitch about the time,the price was not the cheapest but again the work was 110%



Sure are pretty though. XSR took around 4 months to get the Procomps back, but I sent them at a bad time of year.

[Rookie]

Lifters are back, heads are back, hurricane will probably be holding things up...

Just to rewind. In an earlier post, Chad posted a picture of a lifter missing one of the retaining clips. He got a replacement CompCam lifter through SPW who sent the defective lifter back to CompCams to be warrantied. The new lifter had a completely different retaining clip, and when Chad called CompCams, they said no change to design was made. I ended up sending the other 7 lifters back to CompCams who replaced them.....with 7 lifters that look exactly like the one Chad received, that is with a completely different retaining clip. Strange.

Pictures of the difference.

Original lifter clip
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/lifter1.jpg

Replacement clip
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/lifterLarge.jpg

[MiDiablo]

That is weird...

Good luck with it man, can't wait to see that thing out on the streets!!

[Rookie]

Chad had hoped to have it running yesterday. Fingers crossed. No news yet, so hopefully another gremlin hasn't appeared

[Rookie]

Once again.... Back together.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/427W8-22-081Large.jpg

[GNs-r-slow]

Sure is clean, does it run yet???? :D

[Rookie]

Sure is clean, does it run yet???? :D

Rumor is that it does. I've not heard it myself, but hopefully....soon.

[Rookie]

Now motor runs, but with vibration. Rocking.

[n8secstangg]

i put a neutral balance balancer on it today and it runs smooth now...took it for a drive around today and it pulls like an absolute monster...lays you back in the seat just rolling into the throttle...

[shinysideup]

Sux you had issues with those harbor freight heads man. I feel my Canfields were worth every $.

Good job Chad on fixing everything. You da mang!

[Rookie]

i put a neutral balance balancer on it today and it runs smooth now...took it for a drive around today and it pulls like an absolute monster...lays you back in the seat just rolling into the throttle...

Finally. Good news. Not sure when I will be able to make it over there again.

[GNs-r-slow]

Sounds like it getting close :D

[Rookie]

Sounds like it getting close :D

Chad says she is running great after he swapped out to a different temporary balancer. It had an externally balanced balancer on it instead of the internal one that it required. Engine builder has ordered the correct balancer and will be sending it ASAP. Probably a few weeks to get the whole thing sorted out. Will f/u when updates are available.

[n8secstangg]

I Like It!!!!!

[Rookie]

Here is an interesting picture of grass growing.

[Wade95]

Haaaaaaaaaa. WTF?

[Rookie]

Just waiting on a balancer. And whatever the next problem is to present itself.

[MiDiablo]

http://www.watching-paint-dry.com/watching-paint-dry.gif

:dunno:

[Rookie]

Ah, another fun hobby. Thanks!

[topher469]

Very nice........

Chad is the man

[n8secstangg]

we had a little miscommunication...we are going to get the car picked up so he can drive it and start on the break in period not (break it period)...lol...i forgot to send his balancer back to get swapped out but it has one on it now and has been ready to go...

[MiDiablo]

Atta boy! ::cough:: Slacker ::cough:: :lmao:

[Rookie]

She has returned......

Click here to watch EFI-427W (http://media.putfile.com/EFI-427W)

[n8secstangg]

:burnout:

[stang stroker]

yeah baby!!!!!http://sbftech.com/Smileys/default/2139.gif (javascript:void(0);)http://sbftech.com/Smileys/default/2139.gif (javascript:void(0);)http://sbftech.com/Smileys/default/2139.gifhttp://sbftech.com/Smileys/default/Drag_Fast88.gif (javascript:void(0);)

[KAILUAZ]

Nice!!

[GNs-r-slow]

Sounds good!! Did Chad get the heads straightened out or did you change them?

[Rookie]

Sounds good!! Did Chad get the heads straightened out or did you change them?

It is currently fitted with the Procomp heads. At some point, I will be changing them, but probably not until after I get a new transmission and a tubular K-member. Right now, I am just having a blast driving it around. My wife is sick of me asking if she needs me to run any errands. :roll: and the neighbors are probably sick of it too. I've put more miles on the car in 2 days than I had in the last year.

[KAILUAZ]

and the neighbors are probably sick of it too.

Then you know its bad ass! :lol:

[MiDiablo]

Awesome!!!! Congrats!!!! Great job Chad!!!!

[Rookie]

Chad , :mullet:, tried to wreck my car on Tuesday when he was out joyriding:tard:. :burnout:

Chad =:gay:


That is all.

[n8secstangg]

:owned:wow....i guess i wont spill the beans on some of the early dyno numbers!!!!

[Stealth Mode]

i cant watch the vid for sum reason, pm me another one, been anxious to see how this turned out.

[Rookie]

:owned:wow....i guess i wont spill the beans on some of the early dyno numbers!!!!
Mmmm......beans......:fart:

[Rookie]

I won't have the dyno graph until Chad picks the car up and scans it in to the computer. Reported to make good power though.....

[MiDiablo]

No insider reports Chaddy McNasty?

[Rookie]

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/pirlhart/427Dyno.jpg

[GNs-r-slow]

Not too shabby!!! :D

[Rookie]

Not too shabby!!! :D


It'll keep my entertained for now. Much better than the 229rwhp it was putting down with the 302. I still plan on putting a different set of heads on after a bunch of other stuff.

[GNs-r-slow]

Im sure there is some good power with a better set of heads. But yeah Im sure it still a blast to drive

[Rookie]

tuning was done by Rob over at Ford Speed. He says it actually made 467rwhp but something about converting it from his computer to the WinPEP7 changes the numbers.

Felt pretty good before dyno tuning, so I'm interested to see if I notice a difference when I get her back.

[n8secstangg]

there will be a big difference in drivability and top end power...makes me wonder how fast my renegade ar would have ran with dyno tuning and chipwork...

[MiDiablo]

Congrats!! Car is seriously making some power now!!