24 hours of Lemons at Thunderhill

[bam2002]

This one was good. The cars had to run lights for night driving. It was a road course so HP came into play.

Thunderhill Lemons: Nocturnal LeMons (http://jalopnik.com/338965/nocturnal-lemons)

results..

Thunderhill Lemons: The Top 50 Lemons of 24 Hours of LeMons (http://jalopnik.com/339088/the-top-50-lemons-of-24-hours-of-lemons)

photos

Flickr: Photos tagged with 24hoursoflemons (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/24hoursoflemons/)

More to come.

I will be calling the cage guy this week RE getting materials.

Id like to have a meeting with those whom I have contacted re driving.. the end of Jan?

B

[treekiller]

Nice one, looks like they were able to tone down the accidents! that is huge! Am I driving? I can help with the cage if you need help.

[Loren]

We've got the rally on Jan 26th. Check schedules for any other events you want to avoid scheduling on top of... or schedule your meeting on a weekday evening.

Is there a date set for the event we're looking at doing? I need to get it on my calendar.

[bam2002]

Weekend of July 26th is the one in SC..
Then they have another in Ohio Sept 13th weekend. IF the SC one goes so well and every on needs another fix.

But July 26th is the one I want to be ready for.

Also is meeting some where in Ybor OK.. guessing its centralized.. I dont know if any one lives in St pete vs tampa.

[Loren]

My calendar is marked. When are we gonna do some practice at Sebring? :)

BTW, Jeff and I have driven CMP. You'll want the car set up to really handle tight "almost autocross" turns for the one back section of that track. If the car has the tendency to plow rather than turn, with as many drivers as you're going to have, it could get ugly for the tires.

[burgy240]

That looks like SOOO much fun!

[bam2002]

Loren
Thanks for the heads up on the track. the e30s tend to understeer so we will need to do some welding on the rear sway bar to beef it up.
Each car has about $200 of improvments. Since I have already spent the $$ for 2 new timing belts on each. They are not installed yet.

Also a side note from the Lemons group out on Yahoo. Some of you may want to join.

Here is a thread about penalties and getting blacked flagged..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I didn't ever get to use the shock collar, dammit. Admittedly, this was mostly because I
was too busy escorting miscreants straight out the front gate. (I think I pulled six driver
wristbands by the end of the day Saturday, and I personally put three cars on the trailer
Sunday. We also gave out a whole crapload of one-hour and four-hour impounds.)

I did cheer up a little when DILLIGAF manfully took three-dozen raw eggs in the lap over a
30-minute tire/cone penalty, but it just seemed that nobody wanted the shock collar in
exchange for keeping his wristband, the wimps. They were possibly too afraid of the little
one...--Jay

--- In 24hoursofLeMons@ yahoogroups. com (http://us.f504.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=24hoursofLeMons%40yahoogroups.com), Jason Wiener <jason@...> wrote:
>
> did anyone get tased?
>

[treekiller]

My calendar is marked. When are we gonna do some practice at Sebring? :)

BTW, Jeff and I have driven CMP. You'll want the car set up to really handle tight "almost autocross" turns for the one back section of that track. If the car has the tendency to plow rather than turn, with as many drivers as you're going to have, it could get ugly for the tires.

I concur completely, the only place where you could have a car that was too loose is turn 2, where the floor drops out, or the kink. It's a Wilson designed track and has his signature radius changing keyhole because of it, the longest straight is coming out of the sharpest corner.

and while Loren might have a diffrent input, the curbs on track out are rough. where Sebring invites you to use all the track these seriously mess you up. in a race i'd want to pass on the inside. if you get pushed on one of those curbs you'll pogo right onto the grass. (don't ask me how I know) so yes a loose car will be nice, but it will have to brake REALLY well if we ever want to pass anyone. another thing to keep in mind is the sand when it gets windy. it can blow uninterrupted onto turns 1+2 unless they paved the paddock.

[bam2002]

Here is a video of the Thunderhill 1.2 mile course.

Looks like Alot of fun,,

Full Video of Sunday Session - trackHQ.com Gallery (http://www.trackhq.com/forums/photopost562/showphoto.php/photo/11577)

[Loren]

Nice. Didn't watch all of it, but looks like good clean respectful racing.

[bam2002]

Well I am thinking where the $200 would be best spent. Welding up some metal to the rear sway bar will be one way to stiffen it up.
I am thinking some sort of brake upgrade would be ideal, but with the 14 inch rims? Maybe using some brakes of a 5 series ( heavier ).
I know i can find cheap copies of ECU chips on ebay for $50..
But the engine has a 5 k redline. and is only about 120 HP.

So weight also will come into play. Since there wont be a need for any huge nerf bars there wont be alot of weight added. But I definatly dont want to skimp on the roll cage..

To tune the cars I am ok with a sebring run. But Im thinking some dial in sessions up at brooksvile would also work. Since we set up the course on Sat and run on Sun. we would use Sat for testing.

Last of all.
Who can meet during the week?
Id say around 6 or 7 in the Tampa area.. Or you are welcome to come out to Brandon at the house and see the cars.. meet here.

B

NOTE>>> Just got a Fuel cell 16 gal of ebay for one of the cars..

[Loren]

I can make a weekday evening meeting.

The decisions here will be yours, but my recommendations for this kind of event are pretty simple:

1. Remove as much weight as possible. Look at some of the cars in that video. No side or rear glass. Replace the front glass with Lexan if possible... or make everyone wear full-face helmets and run without glass. Remove all of the factory lighting and extraneous wiring, wire some simple "crash-proof" brake lights up high inside the car (again, look at the video). Cut out inner door panels and any other non-structural weight that you can. All of this weight reduction is "free".

2. Forget about spending money on making power. Do what's free... open up the exhaust and intake, advance timing, whatever. But RELIABILITY, HANLDING, and BRAKING are far, far more important than power for this kind of event.

3. Fit something in the suspension to give us some adjustment over the handling bias of the car. An adjustable front or rear swaybar would be good. If the car needs more rear bar, find a way to fit a hacked-together beefy bar with adjustable arms with 4-5 adjustment holes. Give us plenty of adjustment. We want to be able to get the car to oversteer if we want it to... and if it rains, we'll want to be able to dial it back so that it's easily controllable.

4. Brakes. I wouldn't fit larger brakes. With reduced weight, you really shouldn't need them. Invest in really good brake pads and some simple ducting. Shouldn't need more than that. Are brake pads and tires part of the $500 budget? I would expect not.

That's it. Devote all remaining energy to safety equipment and getting the car set up. Trust me, you'll get far more out of having the car set up to where it handles well and has some easy adjustability than you ever will out of trying to make more power with it.

Oh, and don't forget weight = free power. Just stripping the car is going to make it seem a lot more powerful.

[bam2002]

Very good suggestions. thanks
I didnt even think of making adjustable swaybars.. I think I have 2 sets already out of the cars. So Ill look at them

Also we will go over this when we meet but I truely want this to be a group Build. IE I will go with what the team wants re a build. I dont feel I need to have final say.. Because I am no expert..

If it turns out we have enought people we can build 2 cars then we coule even set them up a bit differnlyt for the differnt driving styles.

I have run e30s at Sebring and the brakes were fine but that was a 45 min run VS a 24 hour race.. So going with the duriblity factor Id say cooling ducts and if there is a way to upgrade? DId you experience any brake fade When you were up at that track?

I was planning on pulling all the glass except the Windshield. I would rather have it in place for safety.. If something gets thrown up from a car the driver doesnt get smacked in the head.
I already have looked over the body panels and found alot of places to pull out some metal.

After doing more reading on the last race it looks like Lug nuts were also a point of concern. One of the e30s lost its back wheel. So Im going consider aircraft grade lug nuts part of the Safety unlimited budget.

[Loren]

I have run e30s at Sebring and the brakes were fine but that was a 45 min run VS a 24 hour race.. So going with the duriblity factor Id say cooling ducts and if there is a way to upgrade? DId you experience any brake fade When you were up at that track?


It's nothing like Sebring for brakes. It's not as fast as Sebring, and there are only two really hard braking zones and even those aren't that bad... just depends on how late you want to stay on the throttle. I liked to carry the front straight into next week and pray that I had enough brakes and grip to make turn one. :) It really is a fun track... I think it was one of my favorites of all the tracks I drove last year... and I drove... um... 11 or 12 different tracks last year.

45 minutes at Sebring will get any car's brakes about as hot as they're going to get. With less weight to decelerate, full race brake pads and some added brake cooling ducts, I think you'll be in good shape. The only question will be how long a set of pads will last. I wouldn't be surprised if we went through as many as 3 or 4 sets in 24 hours. But, maybe only two. I think Jeff and I did a couple track days at Sebring in his car with both of us driving at least 2 hours per day and didn't burn up a full set of race pads.

It's important to start with new rotors, too. Spec Miata guys with the smaller 1.6 Miata brakes have learned this. The brakes work great with new rotors... plenty of rotor mass to dissipate heat. But when they get down close to their service limit (but still with enough meat that you'd think they were "okay"), they don't dissipate heat as well and can fade in conditions that they didn't previously.

So, full race pads and new rotors for sure.

[treekiller]

agreed, the EBC yellows have surprised me on how slowly they wear for race pads and are very benign to the rotors, they even have a "Blue" which is designed specifically for endurance racing. I would make sure to keep one set of really grippy pads for the last change. the ebc's just happen to be the cheapest full race solution out there too. really anything more exotic and you'll have boiled the fluid long before they fade. yea yellow brake fade is at 800 degrees F.. but that's oaky bacause the fluid will have boiled at 600 degrees F. speaking of which i have plenty of RBF 600 floating around. this is one of the items that sold me on moutul products. I can't wait to try their multi vis shock oil.

[bam2002]

Here is a link to the cars..

24 hours cars (http://www.keeperofcars.com/bmws/lemons/index.html)

The One with the cage is Not a Lemons car but one I am using to mesure for the cage.
The Grey car is running driving but its been rear ended and the front Radiator core metal is pushed back a bit.. Thats why the hood wont close.

The white car is not running . It has a cracked oil pan. The Ecu , and airflow meter are unhooked. And may need a master brake cyl.
As you can see both cars have been gutted.

I plan to prep the grey car. I really dont think I will have the time to set up 2 cars. So the offer is out there for the drivers to take over the build of the white car. I have spare parts for everything it would need.
Or if it turns out that we have 6 - 8 persons that are IN. paid up etc then we only need to worry about getting one car ready.
We have untill July so it could even be a get one ready then the other. I am open for suggestions.


ADD; here are the Trophys that were given out..
Thunderhill Lemons: The Trophies of the 24 Hours of LeMons (http://jalopnik.com/339347/the-trophies-of-the-24-hours-of-lemons)

[Spin Out]

Thanks for the photos.
I like the idea on concentrating on one car.

The build always seems to take longer than you think,
so I'm in favor of getting things going with an organizational meeting.
My thought is that a stripped, reliable car is step one.
Planned work days (and a good work area) couldn't hurt either.

A handfull of cars at the GRM Challenge spent time on "fun" stuff, but didn't work on the basics. Like a car that actually ran, moved and stopped.

[Spin Out]

Oh, and it appears that we need a fun theme

[Loren]

From what I'm seeing looking at photos and videos and such... the best plan to FINISH this race ("To Finish First, First You Must Finish!") would be to prep one car and bring the other car complete and RUNNING for spare parts.

The one SE-R team with the spare Sentra sitting up on jackstands in the pits ready to pull any part that they needed... pure genius.

And, did you notice that the car that won this one was a nearly stock Protege?

[bam2002]

Yea so what about a Theme..?

Some thing tied to Florida ? Gators? Beach?

Or German? Acronym off of B M W..?

Im not creative so this part is out of my hands.

[RX007CYM]

Bam, thanks for the PM, I havent been on TR at all this holiday season. Happy New Year everyone. I start school again Monday so my weekday evenings are shot except for Fridays. Weekends are wide open. How about we meet either the evening of 1/11 or 1/12 or 1/13 and get this show going? I live in St. Pete, but why not meet at Bam's house so we can be introduced to the cars and each other. Order a pizza perhaps? (or two or three depending on how many are coming)

I cant wait!

~James

[Loren]

I don't care about the theme, but I wouldn't go overboard with it. Show up with a car with too much "polish" and you're just asking for the dreaded People's Curse. In fact, I'd go as far as to bang a couple extra ugly dents into the car!

Might be fun to dress the car as if it were a lesser make rather than a BMW. You know how people put Mercedes badges on Hondas, or body kit their Miata to make it look like a Z3... do the opposite. Oh, I know... dress it as a Mazda Protege, since that's what won last time!

[treekiller]

I'm a big fan of building on a pirate theme, after all we are from Tampa bay, complete with jugs of homemade rum and pillaging.

[bam2002]

Pirates, that could work. And me fun..
I know if the hacker groups there is a Whole pirates VS Ninja thing.
But it could be fun..

Loren RE spares, I have a complete front and rear suspension. Fuel pump, engine and 5 speed. So rather than bring out a spare car, its easier to bring out the parts that are already out of the car.

Plus one of the drivers, has a shop and is willing to pull some stock off the shelves to also have as spares. RE water pump etc.. If we dont use it he just returns it to stock. So I think we will definatly be able to keep the car in race till the end.
So rather than bring a spare car we can already have the parts ready. I am not agaist taking another car, but its about a 5mpg differance for the 2 car trailer.
What ever the team decides , I can take one or 2 cars.

B

Here is another thread on the BMW site.. Where I was asking for input from some other BMW owners.
racing with only $200 to spend. - Bimmerforums - The Ultimate BMW Forum (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=903620)

[Loren]

There's some great advice in that thread. Sounds like the chip is a better option than I expected. For $30, it's probably worth doing. But, it's definitely not worth going overboard on power mods.

If the chip is easy to swap, I'd seriously consider using the STOCK chip until like the last 4 hours. That would serve the purpose of helping us to "sandbag" a little bit in the early hours (where there really isn't much benefit to doing anything more than getting familiar with the track and just staying on the same lap as the rest of the field), keeping us from looking like a hotdog and getting the People's Curse, and giving the extra edge when we need it later in the race.

Regarding spares... a 5mpg hit adds up to almost $300 for the round trip. It's probably worth it. Individual spares are great, but as sure as you don't bring a part, THAT will be the part that breaks. It would suck to be out of the race for 3-4 hours or more trying to round up some stupid little part that we didn't bring.

I've learned that the more prepared you are, the less likely it is that anything will go wrong. It's always that thing that you aren't prepared for that gets you.

[bam2002]

So for a time to meet up. If every one is OK with coming out to Brandon to look at the cars..
I am open this Sunday the 6th. Sun 13th or Sun 27th.

Once we set a date and time. Email me at barry@24hr.us for directions.

So I will look into getting a chip, new rotors and pads.
Also pick up some steel and hardware to make the swaybars adjustable.
The rest we can figure out as we go along.

B

[RX007CYM]

I am willing to take the extra car to NC behind the motorhome. I would feel better racing one car and having a complete spare rather then hoping we bring the right spare parts. But as Bam said, I have no problem going along with the team concensus.

[bam2002]

I have a 2 car 5th wheel trailer so I can eaisly tow both the race and spare car. I just wanted to let evey one know it was going to cost more in fuel. Since as of now it looks like we will be taking up 2 Duallys ( one towing cars and one towing an enclosed trailer) Plus the motor home. The Duallys are Diesel. But fuel costs will be up there for all of us to split.

with 8 people it will be 3 hours of driving each. But from what I have read you will be worn out after a hour..
I think we can keep costs down with the motorhome and make sure we get the most for our $$ by taking up spares. Meaning getting to complete the race.
But I just wanted evey one to know Im guessing its going to run $300 for enterance fees. Then fuel for the race and getting there and back.

For gear evey one will need at least single layer driving fire suits. Shoes/ gloves. Or nomex socks. Plus a SA rated helmet , We may be able to share these. I have one.
Then the cost of a cage, ( I am hoping to get it for the cost of materials) , A fire extinguser, Race approved gas tanks to re fuel the car. Window net. I already have a fuel cell if we want to go that route.
New tires, brakes and rotors. One of the drivers owns a shop so we can get things at his cost.

So when all is said and done Im guessing at least $600 to $800 to do this event..

To me its still a great deal considering a track day is $200 to $500 for 3 hours of driving with an instructor. No passing in the corners, etc.. VS this will be real racing.

I cant wait.

[treekiller]

do some calculations on how long the fuel will last, I have a car that gets similar mileage to a 2.5 BMW and a 12 gallon tank only lasts 1.5 hours of hard track running, maybe 2hrs at CMP, I truly believe drive for a tank and switch is the best method, and since we don't have fast fill fuel it'll take longer to check the tires/brakes and fuel up then it will to switch drivers. less time off the track more laps.

[bam2002]

I agree that pit time will be costly. So we can swap drivers as we refuel.
I can look into a way to quick fuel using the fuel cell. Or we could run 2 tanks and fill in 2 spots.

A new article on the race..

http://reviews.carreview.com/blog/24-hours-of-lemons-at-thunderhill-3-times-a-charm/ (http://reviews.carreview.com/blog/24-hours-of-lemons-at-thunderhill-3-times-a-charm/)

SO when can every one meet up? Next sunday the 13th?? Or see post above re dates. OR suggest one..

B

[Loren]

This weekend is shot for me. Late on the 13th is doable. The 19th, 20th or the 27th would work.

[RX007CYM]

To allow for enough notice for everyone, I think we definitely need to get underway on the 20th. If this is a problem for anyone, speak up else see you at Bam's.

~James

[bam2002]

Im running a Auto X on the 20th so that weekend is shot for me.

The 13th and 27th would work. Or those weekends. RE fri PM of Sat also..

every one please email me so that I can start a thread via email about this.

thanks.

[Loren]

Would be easier to email you if you provided your email address. ;)

[bam2002]

i did one in a pRev post.. but actually use the Autox@24hr.us
put 24 hours of Lemons in the title.
Ill get an email thread started..

thanks

[TAJRacing45]

Hey guys! I guess I was emailing one of you about the LeMons race in SC in July. Thanks for the link to this site. I never knew it was here.
As for the lemon race, we are lucky enough to find a sponsor to help us out with a large portion of our budget. We have the guys, the tools, the work shop. Now all we need is the beater... I wonder if Dave White has any beat up, yet running 911's in his back yard...

July can't come here fast enough!! I really hope this will be one of the events that run the full 24 hours. If you ever been to CMP (which I haven't but only via google-earth) it looks pretty barren around the track so my fingers are crossed.

C-ya...back to work for me...

[bam2002]

Hey T
Let us know what kind of car you end up with..

For the rest of you.. Here is a new link.. An interview with Jay..

24 Hours Of Lemons: 11 Questions with 24 Hours of LeMons Founder Jay Lamm (http://jalopnik.com/340374/11-questions-with-24-hours-of-lemons-founder-jay-lamm)

B

[TAJRacing45]

I got my lemon yesterday. It's the lemon we'll use, but it's in such good shape, I would hate to run it! It's a 1991 Ford Escort GT. Only paid a couple of hundred for it. Came with a couple of strut tower bars and a huge K&N cold air intake system. I haven't looked at much of anything else on the car because of the storms last night. I drove it yesterday before the rain and then a little this morning. We'll be going through everything under the hood with a fine tooth comb before we strip out everything and throw the cage in. (just in case)

[bam2002]

Great, good find. good luck with the build. I hope to see you and the car out there at the track..

[TAJRacing45]

Thanks! Good luck to you too. We moved up our schedule to get the car ready as quickly as possible and try to do some 'testing' at a couple of autox's this spring/summer.

[TAJRacing45]

FYI, you may want to check out the main 24 hours of lemons website. There has been a few rule changes concerning roll cages, helmets, and nomex underwear.

[bam2002]

Yep saw that. Already orered the Undies.. went with Carbon X.. suppose to breath and not be as hot as Nomex.. SInce SC in July will be toasty..

We have pulled the dash.. Loren has done some rewiring.. Hopefully this weekend the cage is going in..

Then we have some Ford suspension parts to make Fit.. and a drivshaft Guilbo to replace..

Hopefully the car will be able to go to a track day in April for some testing..

Thanks for the Rule heads up.

B

[TAJRacing45]

I was looking at race seats over at a drag racing supply place in Clearwater called ARP or APR or something like that and while I was talking to the sales guy about what the seat is going in to, he mentioned a few guys came in a couple of weeks ago racing BMW's in the LeMon race in July too... Would that be you guys or another team racing BMW's from around here?

[treekiller]

The Pirating Lemons are famous. Like Elvis, people see us everywhere.

[RX007CYM]

Yarr! Aarrree!

[TAJRacing45]

Pirates, eh?? Well, um, Scuderia FloridaOrange can squirt orange juice in your eye! ...that is the one without the eyepatch.
You guys check out the CMP website lately? They built some nice garages available to rent and revamped the west course a bit. We can't wait!!

Travis

[bam2002]

TAJ
Yep they bent the cage for us. Plus we got our Widow net and harness there.

Our cage should be installed this weekend..

[TAJRacing45]

As luck would have it, we found a second or 'spares' up car for our entry. In fact, we may make the new one our LeMon entry. It's a 93 Escort GT (original was a 1991 Escort GT) with about half as many miles on it. Motor was rebuilt about a year ago.... I spent 4 hours stripping it down in preperation for the cage tonight just in case.

Once your cage is in I'd love to see your entry. We have all our tubing and our primary sponsor can bend it, but not for a little while. I'll weld it all in after it's bent.

[gritt]

Bam, you have inspired me. I rounded up a team of drivers, we have a car, parts, and motivation. Let me ask you this though, since they don`t notify the accepted entrants until the deadline for registration, arn`t you going through a whole lot? What if they say "so solly"? Or do you "know" something/someone?

Also, are you heading up the bmw auto x in March? do I need to email you about registering? do you need an email or can I just say here "i`m coming"?

[bam2002]

Your right we are sort of taking a chance RE not getting in. But we do alot of sebring and other event we can use the car for if we dont make it in this one. Since there are events in SC, TX and OH I am guessing we would get into 1 of these events. I would say if your getting a car together , Put up a web page, get a fun theme and also sign up on the Yahoo list.. Im thinking that they watch how active you are on the yahoo list. Plus how well you document the build etc..

The Autox on the 16th I am running. You just need to email me the names of those that will be attending at the autox@24hr.us email account.

[gritt]

Thanks. we are getting the domain tonight for the site and i think we have a pretty good theme.

[bam2002]

We got our cage in place.

http://www.keeperofcars.com/lemons/cage/index.html (http://www.keeperofcars.com/lemons/cage/index.html)

Here are shots of the car and the spare. The one with the cage was used to measure the cage and make one for our car.

http://www.keeperofcars.com/bmws/lemons/index.html (http://www.keeperofcars.com/bmws/lemons/index.html)


We have a thread here.
http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/show...=105007&page=3 (http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=105007&page=3)

[Mars_302]

nice cage, I wish my harness bar bent out more to make more room, but I have plenty for me

[TAJRacing45]

Nice pics of the cage...I don't feel so bad by over engineering ours now. July can't get here fast enough!!

Travis
TAJ 'Escort Service' Racing Team
TAJracing endurance racing - Home (http://www.tajracing.com)

[gritt]

Nice pics of the cage...I don't feel so bad by over engineering ours now. July can't get here fast enough!!

Travis
TAJ 'Escort Service' Racing Team
TAJracing endurance racing - Home (http://www.tajracing.com)


ah, it was your team i was responding to on the yahoo group page. yahoo groups blow btw, why can`t they have a real message board?

[TAJRacing45]

Small world! Yeah, the yahoo group is kinda 90's I think. So you aren't part of the BMW team that's around here too, eh? If you aren't then thats 4 teams from around here I've heard of with plans of doing this thing. TAJ Escort Service, The BMW Pirates, your team and there is a group up in Dunedin. I also met a guy in J-Ville building a Saab. I'm smelling a West Central Florida Alliance.....or at least a fun side bet. We should all familiarize ourselves with each other so we will give each other some racing room on the track, till the last hour of course.

[gritt]

our last driver is our ringer, you better bring your "A" game.

nope not part of the BMW group, our team is "Slee-Z Racing", we have a 77 280z that we are about to get started on.

[TAJRacing45]

Your ringers initials wouldn't be C.E. from Lutz, eh?

[gritt]

nope, J.T.

[Loren]

Tell John we said hello. :)

[treekiller]

to use a ringer as your last driver you must make it to the end I'll be honest we don't have any 'ringers' but we have a lot of decent drivers that know how to preserve equipment, oh and me.

[Loren]

If Danny makes the show, he's a "ringer". But, I agree, most of the race is just getting through to the final hour without losing laps to mechanical problems or penalties.

[Dave-ROR]

The we-todd-did-racing.com guys will have a car as well so it's good to know that I'll see a few people from here up at CMP as well. :thumbup:

Cage is being built for our car right now. Should be a good time :)

[gritt]

Tell John we said hello. :)

you got it. a great driver, excellent teacher and all around nice guy. and yeah, we just have to keep the car together long enough for him to get a chance to drive it. :lol:

hows that 53 hp of pavement pounding gnarlyness doing?

[RX007CYM]

Arrreee, tis as slow as the ship we sail when to much rum has been sampled, yyyaaarrrrreee

[treekiller]

Ayre, tis Eyepatch is to combat the double vision.

[gritt]

i have a great pirate joke for you guys if you need one.

pirate walks into a bar. he has a steering wheel hanging from his zipper. bartender says "hey, you know you have a steering wheel hanging from your zipper?" pirate says "ayyyeee, it`s driving me nuts...."

[Loren]

Aye! That be a good one, mate!

[RX007CYM]

http://www.flyingdutchmanmorrobay.com/pirate-encyclopedia.jpg

[Mars_302]

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[bam2002]

TAJ & Gritt.. will your cars be ready by 5-10 or 5-11.. If so do you have a way to get your cars up to a track west of Gainsvile.

We will be renting out a track for 3 hours to do some testing. It would be great to have a few other teams out there to do some Door to Door pratice sessions. Let me know if this sounds like a plan.

B

[TAJRacing45]

Count us in!

[gritt]

we can see what we can do. we need to wait till we know we are selected before we have the cage installed. humm, maybe we can throw some seats belts and a seat in it fo a day, and yeah we have a dolly. I`ll talk with the guys and let you know.