Experts chime in; military paint question?

[KAILUAZ]

I'm going with a military theme on my Mustang (track car) as I'm an Army veteran. Not rice style with spray bombs, thats why I'm looking into this paint.
Take a look at this website and tell me what you think about spraying this stuff. Would you charge more or less to spray it?
It seems like it might be easier to work with but I'm no expert. I had a few HMMWV's painted at Ft Hood and it only took them about 20 minutes (thats with me taping everything off first).

Click the PDF link for all the specs and prices. Speaking of prices is this stuff way more expensive than regular auto type paint?
MILSPRAY - Products - Military Vehicle Restoration Paint (http://www.milspray.com/products/mv-restoration-paint.html)

Thanks for the help. :D

[KAILUAZ]

No one??

[oldschool98]

Well it would be less critical to prep and paint due largely to the fact it is flat paint. I guess I would charge a bit less for vehicle of same size, but thats just me.

Just looked some more at it-- and it aint cheap. Could probably dupliacate that effect in paint purchased locally at better price .

[KAILUAZ]

Well it would be less critical to prep and paint due largely to the fact it is flat paint. I guess I would charge a bit less for vehicle of same size, but thats just me.

Just looked some more at it-- and it aint cheap. Could probably dupliacate that effect in paint purchased locally at better price .

Thanks for the input, what do you think about the price of the stuff?

[oldschool98]

Well, for flat-no gloss you can go pretty cheap with the paint. If it were me Id try to match color you want in just a gallon of enamal or low end urethane single stage. The shipping plus price of the paint you found would be much more than what I could get a gallon for.

[KAILUAZ]

Cool,, thanks for the info.

[oldschool98]

You betcha ;)

[KAILUAZ]

Anyone else?

[KAILUAZ]

Only 1 expert?

[KustomKonceptz]

I'm quite confident this same effect can be had using much cheaper materials. Are you looking to do this yourself?

[KAILUAZ]

I'm quite confident this same effect can be had using much cheaper materials. Are you looking to do this yourself?

No, I have zero painting knowledge so doing it myself is out of the question.
Here is a link to the F-Bomb Camaro. The only thing with this is there is still a gloss effect at certain angles like the first pic. The actual military stuff has no gloss at all and thats what I'm looking for.
Heres the link:
1973 Chevrolet Camaro Project F Bomb Rear View Photo (http://www.hotrod.com/projectbuild/fbomb/hrdp_0709_project_f_bomb_ferrari_race/photo_15.html)

Here is a HMMWV with almost the same lighting:
http://data3.primeportal.net/hummers/epifanio_becerra/m1151/images/m1151_33_of_83.jpg

[KustomKonceptz]

That looks like basecoat without clear on top. They have flattening agents that you can put into clear to give the final result an even flat finish. I don't like the full flat, because if you rub it, or scratch it you have fewer options when it comes time to repair it, and it looks horrible after a tear or so. Even putting a car cover on it will leave streaks with most products. I mean, you can't buff it, you can't wax it, and you can't easily touch it up. Semigloss (like in the Fbomb) is the most cost effective way to go. Another option is to use a primer. U-POL makes a white tintable primer that you can make virtually any color you want. Ask whomever is doing your paint if they are familiar with that product.

[KAILUAZ]

That looks like basecoat without clear on top. They have flattening agents that you can put into clear to give the final result an even flat finish. I don't like the full flat, because if you rub it, or scratch it you have fewer options when it comes time to repair it, and it looks horrible after a tear or so. Even putting a car cover on it will leave streaks with most products. I mean, you can't buff it, you can't wax it, and you can't easily touch it up. Semigloss (like in the Fbomb) is the most cost effective way to go. Another option is to use a primer. U-POL makes a white tintable primer that you can make virtually any color you want. Ask whomever is doing your paint if they are familiar with that product.

Good points, thats why I was considering using this stuff.
Our HMMWV's were always easy to touch up, but that was the actual CARC paint, which is toxic.
The good thing with this stuff is its non-toxic and you can just spray right over it if scratched. I'm going with a "worn" look so scratches etc will be no biggie.
Thanks for your input. I think I may just go with this even though its a bit expensive. I don't think I'll be happy with regular auto paint.

[oldschool98]

Good points, thats why I was considering using this stuff.
Our HMMWV's were always easy to touch up, but that was the actual CARC paint, which is toxic.
The good thing with this stuff is its non-toxic and you can just spray right over it if scratched. I'm going with a "worn" look so scratches etc will be no biggie.
Thanks for your input. I think I may just go with this even though its a bit expensive. I don't think I'll be happy with regular auto paint.

Go for it! Id like to spray the stuff once to see what it's like. I have used a lot of different industrial paints and specialty coatings and its neat to see the differences in them. Guess Im a chemical junky or something.:crack:

[byondevl]

No, I have zero painting knowledge so doing it myself is out of the question.
Here is a link to the F-Bomb Camaro. The only thing with this is there is still a gloss effect at certain angles like the first pic. The actual military stuff has no gloss at all and thats what I'm looking for.
Heres the link:
1973 Chevrolet Camaro Project F Bomb Rear View Photo (http://www.hotrod.com/projectbuild/fbomb/hrdp_0709_project_f_bomb_ferrari_race/photo_15.html)

Here is a HMMWV with almost the same lighting:
http://data3.primeportal.net/hummers/epifanio_becerra/m1151/images/m1151_33_of_83.jpg

F-Bomb is powdercoated

[KAILUAZ]

F-Bomb is powdercoated

Not sure where you saw that. They had a hard time spraying the paint to get it right the first time,, according to the build article.


Our first whack with the Flexed 'n' Flat was flawless, with Carpenter working his mojo to adjust the reducer mixture, gun pressure, and spraying technique to leave a perfect finish with two coats of clear. We were high-fiving in the booth. Then we decided to add one more coat. And it was cloudy and patchy. Ruined. No one in the shop would even eat a pizza or drink a beer. Carpenter was devastated and had to go work out some aggressions on the Harley for a while. He came back days later, annoyed but clearheaded, and prepped the entire car again, this time smoothing the surface with wet 600-grit. More cleaning. More degreasing. Endless masking. He wasn't going to lose again. He'd worked out the problem in his head, and this time he was workin' the serious paint-guy Kung Fu. He disappeared into the booth alone and emerged victorious.


1973 Chevrolet Camaro - Project F-Bomb Body Work - Hot Rod Magazine (http://www.hotrod.com/projectbuild/fbomb/hrdp_0704_1973_chevrolet_camaro_paint_body/f_bomb_body_work.html)

[byondevl]

Not sure where you saw that. They had a hard time spraying the paint to get it right the first time,, according to the build article.



1973 Chevrolet Camaro - Project F-Bomb Body Work - Hot Rod Magazine (http://www.hotrod.com/projectbuild/fbomb/hrdp_0704_1973_chevrolet_camaro_paint_body/f_bomb_body_work.html)

Perhaps im misreading or another magazine got something f-d up. If it isnt powdercoated as an end result, it was at some point in the process.

[KAILUAZ]

A quick update: After talking to some Jeep guys at the VA car show and posting on some military restoration forums, I'm going to use this Gillespie paint. Its basically the "way cheaper" version of the MILSPRAY. Its $68.00 shipped per gallon vs the $189.00 + shipping MILSPRAY.
Army Jeep Parts Inc., O.D. Paint, Gillespie Coatings Inc. manufactured. (http://www.armyjeepparts.com/order_page/paint_bottom_1.htm)

I might try to paint the car myself unless I can find someone wanting to hook up a "military discount". :D You can check out my build thread over here: http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/projects/468552-p-86-mustang.html