View Full Version : Skittle vs VW (I had a dee dee dee moment)
KrazyRider83
10-28-2007, 10:12 PM
Thursday night on the way home...saw an 06/07 GTI, bein a smart ass I blew off at him :evil2: , got off my exit, & he proceeded to follow me (which I didn't expect). We cruised on the main street since cops like to hang out on there...eventually got caught at a light. Kinda started to roll through the green, he launched it, so I eventually did...got the jump on me, I hit 2nd, & heard a pop like a baloon popped :-o . Didn't pay too much mind to it, went to third, started creeping on him (but I heard no bov @ the shift)...shifted to 4th (still no bov), caught him, passed him, put one car by end of 4th, then let off...here's the kicker
I was spikin 10, dropped to 6/7...I pulled over thinking wtf could have happened now that I have low boost. At this point all I heard was air rushing out of of the motor when I gave it gas...checked under the car (everything looked good from the top)...DAMN COLD SIDE PIPE POPPED OFF THE COUPLER...but I was still able to catch & pass the VW, only if that pipe had stayed on... :doh:!
Tony G.
10-28-2007, 10:53 PM
lol skittle without a bov nice haha
skunked B18
10-29-2007, 10:53 AM
:lol:typical skittle owner blowing off every time he drives passed someone:lol:
funny story though
KrazyRider83
10-29-2007, 06:56 PM
^^^ na, not all the time...just the vw that night, seeing if he'll take the bait...which he did
ozzy1
10-29-2007, 07:48 PM
^^^^ dee dee deeeee
KrazyRider83
10-29-2007, 07:49 PM
lol...like you haven't had a moment like that ozzy1
ozzy1
10-29-2007, 07:58 PM
lol...like you haven't had a moment like that ozzy1
(drops head) yeah everybody has their moments
chillllll
10-29-2007, 10:25 PM
too bad you cant rig it so it conveniently falls off when you pull into parking spots...so it wont blow off every second
Doctor D
10-29-2007, 10:46 PM
too bad you cant rig it so it conveniently falls off when you pull into parking spots...so it wont blow off every second :lol: ^^^
my car wont even make any turbo noises till 3500, and these guys blow off at 500rpms.
KrazyRider83
10-29-2007, 11:06 PM
small turbo...what can I say, at least it doesn't blow off in vacuum
ozzy1
10-30-2007, 08:32 PM
small turbo...what can I say, at least it doesn't blow off in vacuum
you never had the rice plate then
markzeronine
10-30-2007, 08:59 PM
Thursday night on the way home...saw an 06/07 GTI, bein a smart ass I blew off at him :evil2:
wow
KrazyRider83
10-30-2007, 11:11 PM
you never had the rice plate then
Yes...annoying as shit...hence why it came off
wow
I know, amazing isn't it...had to bait him somehow...ahh fuck it, i drive a neon wth :lol:
at least I don't act like a complete tool...some of the guys on TR can vouch for that :D
theSLOWone
10-31-2007, 07:31 PM
lol at 500rpms i think you are still in vaccuum. unless your turbo is smaller than a kkk k03s which i highly doubt since thats what comes on vw's
KrazyRider83
10-31-2007, 10:59 PM
no...they are bigger than the k03, but off the line even cruising i'm at least 3-5 psi
DSM Dave
11-01-2007, 01:19 AM
Lame!!!!! :D
KrazyRider83
11-01-2007, 07:33 AM
LoL...get a car first then call me lame...you guys get drunk last night?
DSM Dave
11-01-2007, 01:18 PM
hell no
dee dee dee lol
Nice kill and you an Ozzy stronge arm on those clamps.
theSLOWone
11-02-2007, 07:33 PM
talk about a damn gas hog running 3-5psi cruising. my car sits in vaccuum while i am cruising but as soon as i give it gas it shoots to about 17-21psi
KrazyRider83
11-02-2007, 07:45 PM
lame...i know lol. ptb is a bitch
HAVOKSRT4
11-03-2007, 09:18 AM
^^^ Why you picking on people in wheelchairs? Good kill.
KrazyRider83
11-03-2007, 06:15 PM
lmao...idk...i learn from you
[Duy]
11-04-2007, 12:28 AM
DAmn those Cold Side Pipes...
theSLOWone
11-04-2007, 01:22 AM
http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/33962/2002000652295683054_rs.jpg
KrazyRider83
11-04-2007, 08:11 AM
^^^lmao...ya too funny
Shadytrixta1
11-06-2007, 12:41 AM
This thread is Chuck Norris approved rice!
theSLOWone
11-06-2007, 02:47 PM
Chuck Norris bitches!! ^^
[Duy]
11-06-2007, 06:01 PM
This thread is Chuck Norris approved rice!
Shuddap with ur fucked up SIg that i cant help but laugh at...:lol:
Shadytrixta1
11-06-2007, 09:15 PM
^ is going to hell, im taking donations for prostetic limbs thats the only reason he's in my sig you bastard!
[Duy]
11-06-2007, 10:08 PM
^ is going to hell, im taking donations for prostetic limbs thats the only reason he's in my sig you bastard!
Ur a damn liar...its cuz he dances better than you!
DSM Dave
11-06-2007, 10:10 PM
Lmao!!!
KrazyRider83
11-06-2007, 10:41 PM
dance?
Shadytrixta1
11-06-2007, 11:06 PM
tapdance on your face!
KrazyRider83
11-07-2007, 09:25 AM
i'll shit on you lol...go dance on UCF face
Shadytrixta1
11-07-2007, 11:03 AM
man i will shit on your chest while your sleeping! then tickle your nose with a feather so you wake up and put your face in it!
[Duy]
11-07-2007, 11:55 AM
i'll shit on you lol...go dance on UCF face
UnderCoverFaggots
theSLOWone
11-07-2007, 11:31 PM
wow^^ hardcore thinking right there.
[Duy]
11-08-2007, 12:37 AM
wow^^ hardcore thinking right there.
lol my friend that was sitting with me said it :lol:
theSLOWone
11-08-2007, 06:57 PM
uh huh, blame it on the slow friend. lol
theSLOWone
11-19-2007, 07:22 PM
whats the difference in the stage 1 srt4 and the base srt4?
FrankIS300T
11-19-2007, 08:13 PM
whats the difference in the stage 1 srt4 and the base srt4?
10-15 hp
HAVOKSRT4
11-20-2007, 11:45 AM
^^^ Stage whatever is just the reference to which ECU they are running. There are Stage 0 cars that have over 500fwhp and Stage 2 cars with 315fwhp, so the Stage of the car really doesn't matter.
On the other hand
An Srt4 without any other mods whatsoever and switching a Stage 0 to a Stage 1 would net you around 15hp, so the guy above me is right.
00lgt
11-20-2007, 05:34 PM
http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/33962/2002000652295683054_rs.jpg
lol
theSLOWone
11-22-2007, 07:08 PM
oh ok just wondering, so no more wasting my time on base and stage 1 srt4's, they're too slow
KrazyRider83
11-22-2007, 07:52 PM
lol
oh ok just wondering, so no more wasting my time on base and stage 1 srt4's, they're too slow
:lol: this guy
KrazyRider83
11-24-2007, 06:20 PM
hence my lol...oh well
Skittle
11-24-2007, 06:36 PM
:lol: ^^^
my car wont even make any turbo noises till 3500, and these guys blow off at 500rpms.
The mopar BOV will blow off in Vacuum!
:lol:
KrazyRider83
11-24-2007, 06:39 PM
it does...why a lot of people get rid of it
theSLOWone
11-24-2007, 08:29 PM
my car blows off in vaccuum too. just mine recirculates so its not as loud
flea69691
11-24-2007, 09:17 PM
hay the slo one ok u wont wast ur time with a bace or stage 1 srt come play with a 1st gen the u would have wished u would have put ur foot in ur mouth
Shadytrixta1
11-25-2007, 11:43 AM
hay the slo one ok u wont wast ur time with a bace or stage 1 srt come play with a 1st gen the u would have wished u would have put ur foot in ur mouth
Who the fuck are you to come in here and just call someone out??? Go back to english class before you come back in here!
KrazyRider83
11-25-2007, 12:27 PM
hahahaa
[Duy]
11-25-2007, 12:40 PM
Who the fuck are you to come in here and just call someone out??? Go back to english class before you come back in here!
Shuddap Mr Nub Abuser! :lol:
Shadytrixta1
11-25-2007, 01:25 PM
;4838771']Shuddap Mr Nub Abuser! :lol:
Ill give you nubs asshole lol
DSM Dave
11-25-2007, 01:29 PM
hay the slo one ok u wont wast ur time with a bace or stage 1 srt come play with a 1st gen the u would have wished u would have put ur foot in ur mouth
Is that even your car? Im just gonna go with no.
Shadytrixta1
11-25-2007, 01:35 PM
dude he's talking about a 1st gen neon...how gay LOL, even more of a turd than a first gen eclipse! He'd be better off with the 89 240 single cam hotness it says he has so he can drift into the back of a semi at 120mph! Then he could tandem with himself...upper half in one car and lower half in another.
DSM Dave
11-25-2007, 01:40 PM
dude he's talking about a 1st gen neon...how gay LOL, even more of a turd than a first gen eclipse! He'd be better off with the 89 240 single cam hotness it says he has so he can drift into the back of a semi at 120mph! Then he could tandem with himself...upper half in one car and lower half in another.
Bih dont hate on the 1st, you can if its a neon. Cause we all know what they ended up to be.
KrazyRider83
11-25-2007, 03:29 PM
now why we gotta talk bout neons like that
DSM Dave
11-25-2007, 03:33 PM
now why we gotta talk bout neons like that
o my bad!
KrazyRider83
11-25-2007, 03:34 PM
hahaha...it's ok. it's like the two 1g's that show up at the wed meet with wings & rollcage, now those are a disgrace
DSM Dave
11-25-2007, 04:12 PM
What!!!!!???!!!
[Duy]
11-25-2007, 06:16 PM
Ill give you nubs asshole lol
oh i bet youll give me nubs ya sick fuck :lol:
theSLOWone
11-25-2007, 06:59 PM
a first gen neon really? i'll run it. lol
KrazyRider83
11-25-2007, 08:00 PM
i know one that will run...i think
theSLOWone
11-26-2007, 09:53 PM
you think? lol
FrankIS300T
11-26-2007, 10:44 PM
I know some one with a 1g single cam that will put a whoopin on that ass!!!!!!
KrazyRider83
11-27-2007, 12:07 AM
^^^ he knows who i'm talkin bout hahaha
DSM Dave
11-27-2007, 01:24 AM
o boy here we go! hey krazyrider is it really worth racing, this is one of my friends in the gti.
Shadytrixta1
11-27-2007, 01:26 AM
Well I bet my friend John's daughters mustang is faster!!! even with her driving!
DSM Dave
11-27-2007, 01:29 AM
who the fuck is that! lol
DSM Dave
11-27-2007, 01:30 AM
I know some one with a 1g single cam that will put a whoopin on that ass!!!!!!
why dont you race him in your car and stop calling him out in someone elses car?
jlude90
11-27-2007, 01:43 AM
i still owe the OP and chuck norris some weiner...
Shadytrixta1
11-27-2007, 01:44 AM
That you do!
DSM Dave
11-27-2007, 01:45 AM
Ah!
KrazyRider83
11-27-2007, 07:47 AM
o boy here we go! hey krazyrider is it really worth racing, this is one of my friends in the gti.
no :lol: ...not really...i guess
DSM Dave
11-27-2007, 01:31 PM
haha
Shadytrixta1
11-27-2007, 02:58 PM
who the fuck is that! lol
John Force lol...
DSM Dave
11-27-2007, 03:05 PM
o gotcha!
KrazyRider83
11-27-2007, 03:16 PM
is it stock turbo? (the gti)
DSM Dave
11-27-2007, 03:25 PM
that it is.
Shadytrixta1
11-27-2007, 04:11 PM
forge bov oh snap its a racecar and racecar spelled backwards is still racecar so either way you look at it they're all racecars
DSM Dave
11-27-2007, 04:14 PM
haha! Seems like someones bored at work
KrazyRider83
11-27-2007, 04:25 PM
that it is.
bolt-ons i presume...maybe a flashed ecu of some sort? quick yes, fast maybe...i've owned many vw's, too much money to just get 280 to the wheels...trust :D
DSM Dave
11-27-2007, 04:29 PM
Well im not gonna give his mods out unless he wants to... it really doesnt have that much done.. Its pretty quick. I didnt know you knew about vdubs. do you have aim I have some questions!
8716v
11-27-2007, 04:42 PM
not to butt in but i got this guy with this car and he has this and that and run this time in the quarter mile and blah blah blah blah. i say you run what you brung and not hang off your Buddy's nuts .lol. :D and thats my opinion and you know what they say about opinions, they are like assholes everyone has one and they stink!:-o
KrazyRider83
11-27-2007, 04:47 PM
Well im not gonna give his mods out unless he wants to... it really doesnt have that much done.. Its pretty quick. I didnt know you knew about vdubs. do you have aim I have some questions!
give me a minute, i'm packin right now...but we can talk later...pm me your sn
DSM Dave
11-27-2007, 04:50 PM
give me a minute, i'm packin right now...but we can talk later...pm me your sn
pm'd
DSM Dave
11-27-2007, 05:01 PM
im leaving at 5:45 but ill be back around 9
KrazyRider83
11-27-2007, 05:08 PM
ok...talk to you later then bro
FrankIS300T
11-27-2007, 05:31 PM
why dont you race him in your car and stop calling him out in someone elses car?
I will run him in my car. I have an SRT-4 that is slightly modded. And the GTI would be a better run for my buddy's neon. Because I had a GTI before the srt and I know what they can do
DSM Dave
11-27-2007, 05:34 PM
I will run him in my car. I have an SRT-4 that is slightly modded. And the GTI would be a better run for my buddy's neon. Because I had a GTI before the srt and I know what they can do
Ok, but your still calling people out in another car. Let your friend get on here and call him out.
FrankIS300T
11-27-2007, 05:39 PM
hold up now. Juan is the one that mentioned it first I was just filling in the blanks for him.
KrazyRider83
11-27-2007, 05:42 PM
lol...don't throw me under the buss hahaha...ok ok ok...so, we get the idea. we all know what vw's can do, & we know what some neons can do...let's just take it bmp on dec 15 :D
FrankIS300T
11-27-2007, 05:44 PM
lol...don't throw me under the buss hahaha...ok ok ok...so, we get the idea. we all know what vw's can do, & we know what some neons can do...let's just take it bmp on dec 15 :D
sounds like a plan. Nick will come, and bring that GTI out also. We can both take a wack at him. sound good??
theSLOWone
11-27-2007, 06:57 PM
wow i love talking smack. lol its funny. but yes in all honesty i am running stock turbo with bolt ons and no its not the typical vw, ask turbotalon he'll tell you. my car surprises people don't know why but it does. and i am down for running a srt4 or 2. i don't have a problem with racing, don't matter if i win or lose its all for fun.
Shadytrixta1
11-27-2007, 07:05 PM
^ beats <'s Pink hotness with JDM secrets!!!
FrankIS300T
11-27-2007, 07:58 PM
wow i love talking smack. lol its funny. but yes in all honesty i am running stock turbo with bolt ons and no its not the typical vw, ask turbotalon he'll tell you. my car surprises people don't know why but it does. and i am down for running a srt4 or 2. i don't have a problem with racing, don't matter if i win or lose its all for fun.
its all in good fun man. Im not out to piss people off, everyone talks shit on TR and so do I. I think its funny personally. you should come to the Friday meet in Riverview. I used to own a GTI and it was pretty quick for stock turbo
KrazyRider83
11-27-2007, 08:02 PM
i've had my share of VW's...they are fun. & i wouldn't be suprised if you did suprise people (if that makes sense). Just wish they had a lil more grunt out the box...they handle good, & look very good...here we go bmp
theSLOWone
11-27-2007, 08:36 PM
friday meet in riverview? where?
theSLOWone
11-27-2007, 08:38 PM
i agree they need to be a little more powerful, its seems like the k03s is more for low end power for coming out of turn
FrankIS300T
11-27-2007, 08:39 PM
friday meet in riverview? where?
take 75 to exit 250, then go east on gibsonton drive towards riverview i believe.
FrankIS300T
11-27-2007, 08:40 PM
i agree they need to be a little more powerful, its seems like the k03s is more for low end power for coming out of turn
all of our small turbos are meant for low end torque. thats what vdubs and srts have in common. no go from 90mph and up.
KrazyRider83
11-27-2007, 09:02 PM
ko4 are a nice improvement...just so high priced. APR stage 3 is like 6-7k, may be lower now that they have the mkv gti to toy with. but 6k & they only claim 280-300, with just simple bolt-ons, yes...but i want more than that. the bottoms ends are pretty strong though...gotta love the vr6 on boost :D
theSLOWone
11-27-2007, 09:04 PM
all of our small turbos are meant for low end torque. thats what vdubs and srts have in common. no go from 90mph and up.
i dunno i have a nasty 3rd-5th.
theSLOWone
11-27-2007, 09:11 PM
ko4 are a nice improvement...just so high priced. APR stage 3 is like 6-7k, may be lower now that they have the mkv gti to toy with. but 6k & they only claim 280-300, with just simple bolt-ons, yes...but i want more than that. the bottoms ends are pretty strong though...gotta love the vr6 on boost :D
the apr is down to about 4500. yeah k04 doesn't have enough power for me. the apr stage 3+ is 340+hp. the 280 isn't much but i think 12's is a good start for a turbo upgrade, then get some meth/alcohol injection and its all good
KrazyRider83
11-27-2007, 09:25 PM
If I could afford the 2.7 bi-turbo S4...I'd pick one up. Love those cars...
Shadytrixta1
11-27-2007, 09:34 PM
i dunno i have a nasty 3rd-5th.
+1 didnt you pull Vegas lightning?
theSLOWone
11-27-2007, 09:35 PM
yeah i did and many other cars
theSLOWone
11-27-2007, 09:45 PM
take 75 to exit 250, then go east on gibsonton drive towards riverview i believe.
what parking lot?
DSM Dave
11-27-2007, 09:49 PM
what parking lot?
the lowes right down the street from my house
KrazyRider83
11-27-2007, 09:50 PM
i like that meet too...
theSLOWone
11-27-2007, 09:58 PM
never been might have to go but can't stay late gotta be at work at 650
KrazyRider83
11-27-2007, 10:06 PM
gotta love those early hours
FrankIS300T
11-27-2007, 10:08 PM
never been might have to go but can't stay late gotta be at work at 650
sounds good, might see you there, I have a White SRT-4
theSLOWone
11-27-2007, 10:08 PM
yeah all the vw gtg are always on saturdays and i work saturday so i always miss out, so any car show that is at night is cool
HAVOKSRT4
11-28-2007, 12:43 AM
I traded my 2001 GTI for my SRT4. Beautiful car but I must of gotten a bad one tho, nothing but problems. And then I soon learned it was gonna cost at least 6000 dollars to make it respectable in terms of speed.
KrazyRider83
11-28-2007, 06:20 AM
03 vw when with the ko3 sport turbo, thats why there are differences in numbers from the 1.8t in 03 compared to previous years
Shadytrixta1
11-28-2007, 09:25 AM
i love the meat too...
Fixed for you Whaun!
KrazyRider83
11-28-2007, 09:38 AM
^^^ you bastard....
you read what i wrote you bout your fathers bike?
Shadytrixta1
11-28-2007, 09:47 AM
lol yeah after going back 12 pages to find it
theSLOWone
11-28-2007, 02:38 PM
k03s actually start in 02 with my car. score on cutoff
Shadytrixta1
11-28-2007, 02:59 PM
uograde to a T25? ROFL!!!!
DSM Dave
11-28-2007, 03:02 PM
Ahahahahaha!!!!
8716v
11-28-2007, 04:06 PM
i dunno i have a nasty 3rd-5th.
thats when vw get traction is in the middle of third then it hell to pay!
Shadytrixta1
11-28-2007, 04:14 PM
Did you buy the scirocco from Wolf with the T3/T4 setup on it?
theSLOWone
11-28-2007, 05:02 PM
t25? fudge that ish, gt2871r that way i still have quick spool and not have to play with the bottom end.
Shadytrixta1
11-28-2007, 05:24 PM
3071 FTMFW!!!! mid 400's and spool by 3000-3500 on an SR son!
8716v
11-28-2007, 05:59 PM
Did you buy the scirocco from Wolf with the T3/T4 setup on it?
no thats was a different one.not sure what ever happend to it would have like to get that set up for my wifes cabby but that rocco had electrical problems. it also had the roof all f'ed up. the guy juan i think had it a screwed it. mine is all my one creation. did all the work myself.
theSLOWone
11-28-2007, 07:02 PM
3071 is too big for me. i don't need much power, gt28 and its running mid to low 12's with good tires and it spools lower like 2000-2500 or something
Shadytrixta1
11-29-2007, 02:17 AM
no thats was a different one.not sure what ever happend to it would have like to get that set up for my wifes cabby but that rocco had electrical problems. it also had the roof all f'ed up. the guy juan i think had it a screwed it. mine is all my one creation. did all the work myself.
tru tru I was just wondering, I was with Wolf the night he sold it for Juan...
Ahhhh Nick!
11-29-2007, 08:47 PM
I'll run the vdub. I'm the one that with the 1g Neon that'll run you.
DSM Dave
11-29-2007, 09:34 PM
lets do it this weekend!
theSLOWone
11-29-2007, 09:34 PM
what ya got? besides boost?
DSM Dave
11-29-2007, 09:43 PM
what ya got? besides boost?
its all motor
theSLOWone
11-29-2007, 09:50 PM
you sure? that sig looks like a fmic
DSM Dave
11-29-2007, 09:50 PM
Yeah im sure, we've talked before.
theSLOWone
11-29-2007, 09:57 PM
ok sounds good. i need to get my tires put on so i can get traction lol
DSM Dave
11-29-2007, 10:20 PM
LOL damn slacker you havnt done it yet.
theSLOWone
11-29-2007, 10:41 PM
i don't have 400$ for tires right now. i have bills and get paid shit
DSM Dave
11-29-2007, 10:42 PM
I thought you had tires in your back seat that one night.
theSLOWone
11-29-2007, 11:02 PM
yeah i did but they aren't high performance, they are continental contisportcontact2
Ahhhh Nick!
11-29-2007, 11:52 PM
It used to be turbo, it's all motor now. I'll be out tomorrow, just come find me. Red Neon with a black top & black rims. I'll change your mind about Neons. I'll be on street tires, so don't worry about your traction issues.
I just want a good run. I've ran a 1.8T before, it wasn't a good run ;)
But hey if you beat me then you can run a SRT-4!
theSLOWone
11-30-2007, 12:09 AM
can you beat an srt4?
Ahhhh Nick!
11-30-2007, 12:10 AM
can you beat an srt4?
Only on Tuesdays & Thursdays. Also on most Jewish holidays.
I'll run you for money just to make it interesting, or dinner. Whatever.
FrankIS300T
11-30-2007, 12:10 AM
its pretty close between us, i get him by a car or 2
FrankIS300T
11-30-2007, 12:13 AM
remember, tomorrow, I75 to gibsonton drive towards riverview, and its the lowes on the right hand side. we should be there around 8 or so
Ahhhh Nick!
11-30-2007, 12:15 AM
remember, tomorrow, I75 to gibsonton drive towards riverview, and its the lowes on the right hand side. we should be there around 8 or so
Yes sir, that's where I'll be!
theSLOWone
11-30-2007, 12:21 AM
can either beat a stage 1 srt4 honestly?
FrankIS300T
11-30-2007, 12:22 AM
stage 1's are slow, stage 0 is better
theSLOWone
11-30-2007, 12:25 AM
what is stage 0? base?
FrankIS300T
11-30-2007, 12:27 AM
yea, stock computer. staged ecu's are a waste of money, unless you get stage 3 with all the goodies
theSLOWone
11-30-2007, 12:28 AM
ok so you can beat a modified stage1?
Ahhhh Nick!
11-30-2007, 12:28 AM
I just want to be center stage like Ricky Bobby and hold hands with a pretty girl while someone takes our picture in Winner's Circle hahaha.
I thought you were going to bed Frank? Amanda is gonna laydown the law!
FrankIS300T
11-30-2007, 12:29 AM
well if you have ever beat an srt-4, what all did it have done besides the stage 1?? I probably know the person you ran
FrankIS300T
11-30-2007, 12:30 AM
I never ran against a stage 1 srt-4, so i dunno
theSLOWone
11-30-2007, 12:37 AM
it had side exhaust and maybe other stuff and it was silver. and then a stock yellow stage1
FrankIS300T
11-30-2007, 12:39 AM
well if you beat them, it should be a close race for us then, i think
FrankIS300T
11-30-2007, 12:39 AM
are you gonna make it out tomorrow night??
theSLOWone
11-30-2007, 12:42 AM
i beat them by cars. i am trying to get them on tape but no one i know has a camera
scnat
11-30-2007, 01:23 AM
this is done
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