91 LX motor and DIY turbo kit build thread

[Stoopid Wendy]

so here goes. i wanted to get this up now cuz when we get the shortblock in, things are going to happen pretty quickly and doing this now will give me a headstart. it may still be a week or two before the shortblock comes in.

the background:

i have the original 302 shortblock with heads, cam, intake. the block has 143,000 miles on it. i put a 62mm turbo on it. then i converted from efi to blow thru carb.

i dyno'd the car at 577 rwhp and then took her to the track and ran a 10.74 @ 125. shortly after that, the motor started oil fouling one of the plugs on the driver's side. i had to replace the plug every other day just to keep the car running decent. i was afraid i had cracked my block.

we took the motor out and took it apart to find the problem. turns out it was just a ring. that's good, but it kinda sucks too. i know i have already pushed this block beyond its capabilities. re-ringing the block and putting it back in was not an option.

the goal:

get a new block and associated parts and build the motor back up. the motor will be a 363ci 9.2:1 dart block. while i am at it, i am going to get rid of my existing 62mm turbo and the turbo kit it came as part of and fabricate my own turbo kit using a new, bigger turbo. i will be re-using my tfs heads and weiand intake.

the parts:

the parts list so far... this is still growing. hehehe

milodon 7 qt oil pan
milodon oil pickup
milodon steel dipstick
ARP oil pan bolts
standard volume oil pump
romac lightweight balancer
cammotion custom grind cam (dur: 234/228, lift: 564/560, lcs: 114, cl: 110)
motorcraft lifters
cloyes timing chain
felpro mls head gaskets
spec stage 3+ clutch
sfi-approved lakewood bellhousing
extended clutch fork
masterpower 70mm turbo
tial 50mm blow off valve
tial 60mm wastegate
bbk shorty headers
two 2.5" v band clamps
3" v band clamp
3.5" flowmaster universal tailpipe kit
two 2.5" j bends
2.5" u bend
3.5" u bend
t4 flange
two flowmaster reducers (from 3" to 2.5")
2.5" stainless flex joint
diecast aluminum valve covers
modified transmission mount (set motor back 1")
oil filter remote mount kit
temperature gauge (air intake temp)
UPR solid motor mounts
4.125 bore TREperformance race prepped Dart 4 bolt main block
TREperformance forged steel 4340 3.4" crankshaft for 363 (balanced with the rest of the assembly to a 28oz imbalance)
TREperformance 4340 Forged H beam rods 5.315" for 363
Clevite P rod/main bearings
Probe SRS 2618-t6 high alloy lightweight forged pistons (-18.8 dished)
Speed Pro high performance moly rings
ARP head studs
3.5" to 3" and 3" to 2.5" silicone adaptors (for cold side piping)
MMR front tubular a-arms
MMR front coil over conversion (14" full race kit)

[Stoopid Wendy]

the before:

[864I'DCaprI]

Good god that thing is gonna be even more bad ass than the time I had perma smile that day John took me for a ride!!! :D

Good luck with the build guys, how all goes well...

[Stoopid Wendy]

the removal:

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http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_2394.jpg

[Stoopid Wendy]

diy turbo kit in a box lol

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_2264.jpg

[Badlatitude]

how are u guys getting 363 inches out of a 302 based block?

[fastisfun]

This my favorite fox on the forum. It looks perfect and loving the turbo setup. Repd

[shinysideup]

how are u guys getting 363 inches out of a 302 based block?

man, I never heard of it either. looked here... BENNETT RACING ON-LINE (http://www.bennettracing.com/products/stroker_kits.html)

[Badlatitude]

thats gotta be a llooonnggg ass stroke and 100 over bore on a after market block or somthing

[shinysideup]

I believe the journals are turned which allows a longer rod. Perhaps they use a chevy rod , which has a smaller journal diameter as Ive seen done.

[Badlatitude]

Well damn .. i woulda done that too.

[351coupe]

4.125 bore adds alot of cubes.If I'm correct,it's a 347 with a 125 bore?

[Stoopid Wendy]

how are u guys getting 363 inches out of a 302 based block?

its all in the pistons. lol ancient chinese secret! lol

[Stoopid Wendy]

4.125 bore adds alot of cubes.If I'm correct,it's a 347 with a 125 bore?

ding ding ding

we have a winner bob

[GNs-r-slow]

Who's turbo kit??? Have link? Thanks

[Stoopid Wendy]

the turbo kit i am taking off? my kit was originally built by a different company, but it is now being produced by Treadstone (http://www.treadstoneperformance.com/product.phtml?p=181&cat_key=133&prodname=Mustang+87-93+Complete+Single+Turbo+Kits).

[franktf]

Nice avatar there Wendy.....:-o ..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Stoopid Wendy]

lol ya like that frank?? hehehe

see dick run... i about died when i saw it!

[Scott]

I hope those pics I sent help in some way Wendy, keep us posted ! And way to rep the blurboed cars. :mullet: :D

[GNs-r-slow]

diy turbo kit in a box lol

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_2264.jpg

This is the one I was asking about. Who sells this kit? Thanks
Didnt see a DIY kit from treadstone

[Stoopid Wendy]

This is the one I was asking about. Who sells this kit? Thanks
Didnt see a DIY kit from treadstone


uhm... jegs, i guess. lol

those are all the pipe bends (listed in my parts lists in the first post) that we purchased from jegs. this is not a kit. it's just a pile of pipes that we are building our own DIY kit with.

[GNs-r-slow]

[quote=TrikkyBitch;4289471]uhm... jegs, i guess. lol

those are all the pipe bends (listed in my parts lists in the first post) that we purchased from jegs. this is not a kit. it's just a pile of pipes that we are building our own DIY kit with.[/quote
AHHH guess im a little slow, I thought some one was selling a DIY kit:roll:
Might be a market for a poor boy, like myself, Thaks Triikki

[Stoopid Wendy]

[quote=TrikkyBitch;4289471]uhm... jegs, i guess. lol

those are all the pipe bends (listed in my parts lists in the first post) that we purchased from jegs. this is not a kit. it's just a pile of pipes that we are building our own DIY kit with.[/quote
AHHH guess im a little slow, I thought some one was selling a DIY kit:roll:
Might be a market for a poor boy, like myself, Thaks Triikki

you might be on to something! thats a damn fine idea!

[GNs-r-slow]

I'll take 1 DIY hot & cold side kit :D
Seriously!!

[Stoopid Wendy]

some progress...

got the coilovers and the a-arms installed today.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_2675.jpg

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_2672.jpg

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[Stoopid Wendy]

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_2695.jpg

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_2694.jpg



we were going to have a problem with routing the down pipe the way we wanted to before...

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_2692.jpg



now i don't think that will be as much of an issue... plenty of room!

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_2690.jpg

[Stoopid Wendy]

john is taking advantage of the delay with the motor...

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3101.jpg

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[864I'DCaprI]

Nice, We just did a tubular K memeber , A arms and coil overs on my ride and were now discussing turbos, I was going to do a blower but possibly found some crazy deal on a brand new turbo kit, we shall see...I need more power RRrrrrRRRrrrrrrrrr

[Scott]

Good to see you are getting to do something with it. If you are going to do the mount the same as mine that front rail is going to have to be notched and laid back.

[Stoopid Wendy]

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/wpw-20070316/thumb_holycrap.jpg

guess what i got today?!?!?!?!?!?

FINALLY!!!

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/shipping.jpg

[franktf]

Nice to see it finally made it.....:D

[302andSome]

That's looking like fun :)

[Stoopid Wendy]

i think chilton's is wrong.








i don't think this is how you're supposed to remove the horn.








http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3176.jpg

[Stoopid Wendy]

making progress with the engine bay welding. the towers are mostly welded up, the front panels are welded in. got the firewall still to do and thinking about doing the front strip as well. may do the holes near the top of the fenders when we take the fenders off for painting... thats still a little ways away.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3180.jpg

[Na306StAnG]

i think chilton's is wrong.



i don't think this is how you're supposed to remove the horn.


http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3176.jpg

http://www.need2speed.com/vb_forums/images/smilies/laugh.gif


Wendy the car is coming along!! Looks great so far!!

[Mars_302]

that poor car

[Adrenalin]

Looking good, keep the updates coming!

Repped!

[Stoopid Wendy]

can i get a HELLZ YEA!!!!

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3197.jpg

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http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3201.jpg

[864I'DCaprI]

wow:monkspk:

[Stoopid Wendy]

today's progress...

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3210.jpg

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3214.jpg

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it's ready to go in tomorrow... we'll prolly start turbo fabrication monday when the kids go back to school.

[864I'DCaprI]

Woooohooo nice progress there guys...so youll be ready to take me for a ride again , what, lets say Wednesday??!!!!! :lol: NO??? Sounds goood to me.....NO camera this time!!!!;)

[GNs-r-slow]

Very nice, Shouldnt be too long now!

[Stoopid Wendy]

after fabrication is done this coming week we are sending the headers and all the piping off to be thermo coated. no telling how long that might take. we estimate another 2 to 3 weeks before she gets cranked for the first time.

[864I'DCaprI]

after fabrication is done this coming week we are sending the headers and all the piping off to be thermo coated. no telling how long that might take. we estimate another 2 to 3 weeks before she gets cranked for the first time.


Alrighty than, sign me up for a test drive :D

[Iraq&Roll]

Dart Sportsman? Who did the build? Looks nice!

[Stoopid Wendy]

Dart Sportsman? Who did the build? Looks nice!

yes, it is a sportsman.

TRE Performance out in California did the build.

[Iraq&Roll]

I did the iron eagle and should have gone sportsman. Oil pan to clear the front and rear caps for the IE cost more. Plus on the IE the oil returns from a remote filter to the pass rear side of the block. I would rather had a spin on filter in the stock location.
Anything done to the TFS heads? What style cam are you going to use? Looks like you are spending money in the right places.

[Stoopid Wendy]

I did the iron eagle and should have gone sportsman. Oil pan to clear the front and rear caps for the IE cost more. Plus on the IE the oil returns from a remote filter to the pass rear side of the block. I would rather had a spin on filter in the stock location.
Anything done to the TFS heads? What style cam are you going to use? Looks like you are spending money in the right places.

yea, we knew we didn't need to go with the iron eagle... a sportsman will do me just fine.

the tfs track heat heads have been port matched and thats about it.

i went with a cam motion custom grind cam (the specs are in the first post in this thread). it should have a little bit of rumpity rump to it, but nothing too wild.

i still want this car to be very streetable. i love driving this car to work and running around with the kids doing the mom's taxi thing with it. if it starts getting difficult to drive it around town, then we've gone too far with it.

[Iraq&Roll]

I was asking if hyd roller, solid roller, low-lash solid? I spec'd a cam motion low lash solid roller but my builder had to go hyd roller.
I did a 4.125 bore 3.25 stroke 347 with TEA TW heads with the incon twins.
I think you will want more turbo soon. What will the next step be after the MP 70? You got the cubes and the heads.

[Stoopid Wendy]

sorry, i forgot that part. the cam is a hyd roller.

when we are ready to take the car to the next level we'll prolly will go right to an 88.

[GNs-r-slow]

sorry, i forgot that part. the cam is a hyd roller.

when we are ready to take the car to the next level we'll prolly will go right to an 88.

Youll probly regret the 88 on the street, IMO think it will have quit a bit of lag.
76/85 would be nice

[REDLIGHTRACER]

wendy cant wait till its back on the road!!!!!!!
i miss not seeing it running around our part of town!

[864I'DCaprI]

HOLY CRAP...HEY Charlie!!!! Its Mike

[REDLIGHTRACER]

whats goin on i got on here becouse you said it was the shit! lol

[864I'DCaprI]

LOL, yeah its a cool place!!! How did everything come out at your house??? Actually call me if ya want to I NEED to get back to work :D:D I stopped home to grab a bite to eat and I get caught up on here!!!

[Stoopid Wendy]

latest progress...

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3309.jpg

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started the fabrication with mounting the turbo and getting the down pipe done up... in the first pic, the reducer on the left will be what comes off the turbo (3") and goes into a 3.5" down pipe. the one on the right will be used for coming off the passenger side header into the crossover.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3312.jpg

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[864I'DCaprI]

Looks like John was smoking that pipe, hes got chinkey eyes going also :dunno:

Nice job guys....Me wanna stop by and take a look see!!!!

[Stoopid Wendy]

come on over whenever you want... we'll be here all week.

[864I'DCaprI]

Ohhh man!!! alrighty than!! Ill let ya know before I just shwing by!!

[Stoopid Wendy]

turbo mounted with down pipe:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3328.jpg



the passenger side header with the reducer. we clipped just a bit off the end of the header to mate the two pipes:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3339.jpg

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[Adrenalin]

It looks like the progress is moving right along, I'm soooo Jealous!!!! :)


And looking good too! I bet you guys can't wait to feel that beast run!

[Stoopid Wendy]

at this pace, we should be done with fabrication this week. then all the pipes go out for thermo coating... i wonder how long that will take?

i am SO ready for this! lol

[SmokinS13SR20]

Wendy who's house was the Wagon painted at?

That is right down the street from my house:lol:

[Stoopid Wendy]

Wendy who's house was the Wagon painted at?

That is right down the street from my house:lol:

lol the wagon was painted at my father-in-law's house off belcher... thats funny right there!

[Na306StAnG]

Do you guys sleep?? You have gotten more down in one day then i have in an entire month!

Wonder how long until the cars in a mag again??

[Stoopid Wendy]

lol we've even gotten a little more done this evening with routing the down pipe and the crossover... i'll get pics up shortly...

can you tell i really want this done?? i've brought the whip out! lol

[Na306StAnG]

can you tell i really want this done?? i've brought the whip out! lol



Whip huh?? Pics or ban :lol:

[SmokinS13SR20]

lol the wagon was painted at my father-in-law's house off belcher... thats funny right there!
Yup, he wanted to buy our 68 Camaro.
We said it wasn't for sale.
We asked for him to do some welding on it for us, and he turned around and got mad at us:lol: It's not like we wanted free work:wave:

[Stoopid Wendy]

Yup, he wanted to buy our 68 Camaro.
We said it wasn't for sale.
We asked for him to do some welding on it for us, and he turned around and got mad at us:lol: It's not like we wanted free work:wave:

lol yeah, he doesn't do side work. can you imagine how many people stop by his house wanting him to do that kind of stuff on the side?

[Stoopid Wendy]

a little bit accomplished today...

here is the crossover piping (on the bottom) and the down pipe (over the crossover). john routed the down pipe out through the k member and the control arm. before i could snap a pic of it he took all the piping off and ran it up to the welder. we'll get those pipes back this afternoon and i'll get shots of the welded up pipes.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3359.jpg

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3361.jpg




here is the drivers side header routing up to the flange.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3366.jpg

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3367.jpg

[SmokinS13SR20]

lol yeah, he doesn't do side work. can you imagine how many people stop by his house wanting him to do that kind of stuff on the side?
Yea, I guess not, but the way he got all pissy was not needed..

Anyway...

Car's coming along VERY nicely, keep it up :thumbup:

[Iraq&Roll]

Nice to see some fox body turbo cars that still have a/c.

[Stoopid Wendy]

the big progress report... the hotside is 98% done!!!! we dropped the passenger header and the downpipe off to the welder on wednesday morning and got it back wednesday afternoon. meanwhile, john finished up the drivers header and the crossover pipe and dropped that off for welding. we just got the drivers header and the crossover back tonight. it all bolted back up beautifully!!! lotsa pix coming...

the passenger side header, the down pipe, and part of the crossover all welded up:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3370.jpg

the drivers side header and the rest of the crossover. the joint for the header and crossover came out perfect. in this picture i don't think you can see it well, but the crossover pipe has a slip fit on one end and the mount for the wastegate on the other end.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3376.jpg

drivers side header mounted:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3377.jpg

the drivers side header, the turbo and down pipe, and in the very background the crossover:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3378.jpg

the turbo and the crossover joint:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3380.jpg

a nice shot from under the turbo:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3382.jpg

the passenger header, wastegate mounted, and the down pipe:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3389.jpg

the down pipe isn't connected to the exhaust yet, but that's next:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3391.jpg



next on the to do list is finishing the down pipe to the exhaust, mounting the blow off, getting the hotside thermo coated, and finally we will order the intercooler. we have decided on an air-to-liquid intercooler. and then we will finish the cold side.

then she'll be ready to crank.

[Na306StAnG]

then she'll be ready to crank.


God damn your shits coming together like a lego toy....


I say we have a bbq at your house the day it cranks.

[SmokinS13SR20]

God damn your shits coming together like a lego toy....
+1 :lol:

[Stoopid Wendy]

yea!!! the hotside fabrication is done! we're taking the turbine housing and all the piping over to Precision Motorsports (http://pm-fl.com/catalog/) in hudson for their 2000 degree thermo coating. here are some shots of the finished product without the motor.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3403.jpg

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3406.jpg

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the final piece to the hotside piping was the wastegate routing.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3420.jpg




i thought this pic was kinda funny... looks like my car is shrugging at me like "wtf man??" lol

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3424.jpg

[351coupe]

Looking good,but if you want to keep it a street car,why not a air to air?

[Stoopid Wendy]

got the pipes back from coating... wooty!!!

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3426.jpg

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3434.jpg

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and the intercooler and and pump came in today...

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3436.jpg

[Stoopid Wendy]

Looking good,but if you want to keep it a street car,why not a air to air?

because i won't be able to put a full size intercooler on the car that is required for adequate air to air intercooling. i went that route before and i could never use my A/C because the car would overheat. as long as the air wasn't on, the car ran at a decent temp, but shortly after turning it on the car would heat up to 215, 220... i don't know if the intercooler blocked too much air flow or what, but if i can't use my A/C then i won't drive the car and that pisses me off. :lol:

cobras have air-to-water... it can't be that bad for a street car... :dunno:

[Adrenalin]

I gotta say, I am impressed! I also couldn't agree more about the a/c. I'm keeping mine, but I have an air to air and I'm going to try like hell to get both to work together.


Props to you guys! :nworthy:

[Stoopid Wendy]

thanks hun... its finally coming together! tee hee

[Iraq&Roll]

Is that from Chiseled Performance?

[franktf]

The coatings look good.....

[Stoopid Wendy]

Is that from Chiseled Performance?

i don't know if you meant the coatings or the intercooler, but no on both counts. lol

i had precision motorsports do the coating and we got the intercooler on ebay.

[Iraq&Roll]

I was asking about the intercooler. Nice looking piece, are you going to front mount it?

[Stoopid Wendy]

I was asking about the intercooler. Nice looking piece, are you going to front mount it?

no, it is going to sit near the turbo in the fender.

[Scott]

Good call going with the intercooler this time around.

[Stoopid Wendy]

some progress on the body work... all the welding is done and the putty is flying, may have it ready for paint by next weekend. then the motor can go back in! wooty!

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3438.jpg

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3456.jpg

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[Subzero]

Can you explain the underhood body work to me, I get the inner fender well plates (for more room, and prob thicker for support) but can you explain the welding throughout the rest of the underhood compartment, ie: the fire wall and strut towers, they just look like random spot welds that have be ground down.

[Stoopid Wendy]

they ARE random weld spots that have to be ground down. lol

see before:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_2394.jpg

see what the goal is:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i28/SMOKEDYA/100_2236.jpg


see the difference? it's completely cosmetic, but it looks soooo much cleaner. imho anyways. with the motor out, it is a perfect opportunity to do it. once this motor goes back in, it better not need to come back out. lol

[Stoopid Wendy]

a little more fine sanding to be done this week and she'll be ready for paint this weekend! the worst of it is over tho...

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3503.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3503.jpg)

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3504.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3504.jpg)

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3505.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3505.jpg)

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3506.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3506.jpg)

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3507.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3507.jpg)

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3509.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3509.jpg)

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3510.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3510.jpg)

[$hawn]

lookin good. keeping the power brakes huh?

[Stoopid Wendy]

lookin good. keeping the power brakes huh?


yeah... but why would i take them off?

[Scott]

yeah... but why would i take them off?


Vacuum issues potentially for the brakes if I remember correctly. I really miss my power brakes.

Looks good, I wish I would have cleaned mine up under the hood like that when I had the long down time. Oh well.

[864I'DCaprI]

Good job Wendy and John, I think John gave us his cold over the internet!!! Weve had sore throats and now my nose is running like crazy..Jesse has an ear infection from his cold, tell John THANKS!!!! LOL J/K Car looking great, I WILL stop by one of these years!!!

[Stoopid Wendy]

Vacuum issues potentially for the brakes if I remember correctly. I really miss my power brakes.

Looks good, I wish I would have cleaned mine up under the hood like that when I had the long down time. Oh well.


aaahhh, yes... that would definitely be a potential issue if we had put a bigger cam in it, but the cam we ended up getting is similar to an f-cam so vacuum shouldn't be an issue... i hope. :P

[Stoopid Wendy]

Good job Wendy and John, I think John gave us his cold over the internet!!! Weve had sore throats and now my nose is running like crazy..Jesse has an ear infection from his cold, tell John THANKS!!!! LOL J/K Car looking great, I WILL stop by one of these years!!!

yeah yeah, whatever.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/thumb_Old-Newspaper.jpg

[864I'DCaprI]

LOL.....Are ya going to get the whole car painted the way ya told me a few months back, or ya just doing the engine capartment??

[Stoopid Wendy]

just doing the engine compartment right now. probably next year she'll go down for the whole shebang. we still haven't 100% decided on the paint scheme.

[GNs-r-slow]

Vacuum issues potentially for the brakes if I remember correctly. I really miss my power brakes.

Looks good, I wish I would have cleaned mine up under the hood like that when I had the long down time. Oh well.

^^^ is correct. When your are idling vacum is great. When you in the boost there is no vacum its positive pressure. There is no vacum until the motor winds down (also turbo). The pedal is hard as a rock until this happens. I converted my GN to vacum brakes because of powermaster problems, now looking to convert it to hydraboost like on the Cobras

[Stoopid Wendy]

^^^ is correct. When your are idling vacum is great. When you in the boost there is no vacum its positive pressure. There is no vacum until the motor winds down (also turbo). The pedal is hard as a rock until this happens. I converted my GN to vacum brakes because of powermaster problems, now looking to convert it to hydraboost like on the Cobras

maybe i am totally missing something.

when you are in boost and your vacuum becomes positive pressure, doesn't the one-way check valve at the brake booster store vacuum for braking? even if you had to suddenly brake during full boost, doesn't the booster still have enough stored vacuum to brake while the motor RPMs back down into vacuum?

otherwise, you wouldn't be able to use your brakes when the motor isn't running, right?

if you converted your GN to vacuum brakes, what did it have on it before?

[GNs-r-slow]

It is called a Powermaster. Had an electric motor on it that looked like a ford starter with an accumulator and solonoids. GM quit making these and the remans dont last very long.
I tried the one way valve deal, They do store a little vacum, but for driving in traffic I dont care for it too much! Definately give yourself a good saftey cushion. It doesnt like to hold at the lights (track) either, once boost comes up, 6-7lbs starts to push through.
Im not knockin what your doing, just thought I'd share my experince on this with you.

[Stoopid Wendy]

It is called a Powermaster. Had an electric motor on it that looked like a ford starter with an accumulator and solonoids. GM quit making these and the remans dont last very long.
I tried the one way valve deal, They do store a little vacum, but for driving in traffic I dont care for it too much! Definately give yourself a good saftey cushion. It doesnt like to hold at the lights (track) either, once boost comes up, 6-7lbs starts to push through.
Im not knockin what your doing, just thought I'd share my experince on this with you.

no problem... i just didn't understand. i've been running a boosted application on this car for three years or so (both supercharger and turbo) and i've never experienced a problem with the brakes with a 60 mile daily commute. i thought maybe i was missing something. hehehe

as for the track, mine's a stick so we use the lock for burnouts and launching. :naughty:

[Stoopid Wendy]

motor's goin back in tomorrow!!!!

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3558.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3558.jpg)

[864I'DCaprI]

Ok , me stopping by tommroow morning around 10 ish???? Is that cool??

Fucking looks mm mmmmm GOOD

[Stoopid Wendy]

come over whenever you want, you know that dork. motor prolly won't go in until the afternoon tho.

[864I'DCaprI]

Alrighty, Ill see ya guys around 10ish.:D:D:D So when is the est on it firing up??

[MiDiablo]

Stellar! Great job, great build thread, great detail, great ATTENTION to detail in the build! Quality is sexeh!

-Josh

[Stoopid Wendy]

Alrighty, Ill see ya guys around 10ish.:D:D:D So when is the est on it firing up??

motor going back in today, but she won't be fired up yet. we are doing a remote oil filter mount and we still haven't ordered that yet, plus we still don't have the heat exchanger for the cold side.

today is just going to be getting the motor and tranny back in without scratching my new paint and getting the piping finished up for the intercooler and reservoir.

[Stoopid Wendy]

Stellar! Great job, great build thread, great detail, great ATTENTION to detail in the build! Quality is sexeh!

-Josh

aw shucks... gee thanks! http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/wpw-20061129/blush.gif

[LS1COUPE]

very nice work, it looks great.

[**CHRIS**]

Looking good Wendy! Congrats on ROTM over at Foxbodyforums. :cool:

[Stoopid Wendy]

thanks chris!

and thank you mikey!!!! thanks for coming over and staying to help out with getting the motor and tranny back in... it was a big help! i know my reps don't amount to much, but you deserve it!

[864I'DCaprI]

and thank you mikey!!!! thanks for coming over and staying to help out with getting the motor and tranny back in... it was a big help! i know my reps don't amount to much, but you deserve it!


Not a problem Wendy and John it was my pleasure giving you guys a hand....And the car looks phenominal guys, GREAT work, much better in person...

Now Im a dummy and forgot to get the numbers for that belt!! Also WHEN YOU HAVE TIME can you by chance have John either draw up the belt routing or take a quick pic of the belt mocked up to the motor the way I need to run it??? Like I said when you guys have time....

CONGRATS on the motor getting in and GL with futrure progress, let me know if you guys need anything :D


Ohh and reps are like weight, the little amount adds up to BIG numbers!!! So thanks for that :D

[Stoopid Wendy]

untaped:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3572.jpg

engine and turbo back in:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3590.jpg

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3596.jpg

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3597.jpg

thats it for today. still on the list of things to do:

1. mount remaining engine components (remote oil filter, coil, etc)
2. finish intercooler piping (out to carb)
3. mount reservoir and plumb it
4. buy heat exchanger, mount it, and plumb it
5. run miscellaneous wiring and other various things

*whew*

[864I'DCaprI]

Holy crap, you guys were busy when I left....wow great progress for a few hours!!!

[Stoopid Wendy]

i know i haven't spent much time on the intercooler setup, but we are still designing it and positioning it and figuring out where to mount the different pieces. we decided to make good use of a stock cobra heat exchanger since it fits perfectly behind the front bumper and doesn't look like it will cause any air flow problems.

we decided on the following:

we purchased a 5 gallon fuel cell that will be mounted in the trunk. this will serve as our water reservoir. we got a bosch cobra heat exchanger water pump to suck the water through the system.

we decided to use a stock cobra heat exchanger that will be mounted right behind the front bumper, in front of the condenser. we are purchasing two low profile 5.6 inch fans that will be mounted on the heat exchanger. each fan pulls 295 cfm.

and finally, we purchased a 12x12x4.5 inch air-to-liquid intercooler off of ebay. this will be mounted on the driver side front corner. it will physically be mounted inside the front clip. we have it mounted now (with zip ties! lol) so we can mock up piping and make sure the positioning of everything is perfect. this is the only thing i have pix of right now.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3605.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3605.jpg)

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3607.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3607.jpg)

[MiDiablo]

Sweet!

[Stoopid Wendy]

here are some pix of the latest:

the fuel stuff. crap. had to drill holes in the tower. lol

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3617.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3617.jpg)
http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3642.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3642.jpg)

throttle bracket and cable:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3627.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3627.jpg)

the coil and the turbo oil lines.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3632.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3632.jpg)

here is the intake for the turbo. this was done using a layer of fine metal mesh with a layer of fine nylon fabric and another layer of fine metal mesh.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3635.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3635.jpg)

we decided to go with red instead of blue for the trim pieces. with the coil and the distributor and everything else that comes red, it just seemed to make sense.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3640.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3640.jpg)

we're gonna have to trim a little of the scattershield. lol kind of a tight fit.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3645.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3645.jpg)

down pipe connected to exhaust.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3649.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3649.jpg)




i really don't like the valve covers we ended up getting, so we bought some fabricated valve covers. i'll snap those when we get them on.

[Subzero]

Ill take your new old valve covers then :) it would fit an efi same as a carb right?

[Stoopid Wendy]

i don't know if the hubby is going to part with the other valve covers... he may put them on the wagon. i'll post up if we are going to sell them.

ok.... latest progress. first things first, for those of you that expressed concern about the coil, this first pic is to show where we moved it to.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3669.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3669.jpg)

the following pictures are of the motor and turbo with intercooler mounted and assembled. the only things missing is the coil wire and the plug wires... yes, she's that close!

we still need to do the following:

1. mount the cobra heat exchanger, but we are waiting on the two fans we ordered for it (they should be here tomorrow).

2. mount the reservoir and water pump, then plumb the lines for the water to flow through.

3. mount the oil filter and run the lines for it. john just made the mounting bracket for this today.

4. install the coolant temp sensor and the air intake temp sensor.

5. prime her and start that bitch up!!!!

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3664.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3664.jpg)

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3667.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3667.jpg)

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3672.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3672.jpg)



the blow off valve mounted:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3674.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3674.jpg)

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3677.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3677.jpg)

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3681.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3681.jpg)

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3684.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3684.jpg)




the new fabricated valve covers (with the special john polish)

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3685.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3685.jpg)

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3687.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3687.jpg)




a sneak peek at the trunk:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3689.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3689.jpg)

[SmokinS13SR20]

Looking sweet!
You don't happen to have any spare fuel cells around do you?

[Stoopid Wendy]

lol no. the only one i have is being used for water.

[03ZX6RRider]

This project is looking awesome, I'm gonna subscribe so I can see the finish. :D

[Stoopid Wendy]

the trunk is done. the reservoir is mounted and plumbed.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3794.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3794.jpg)
http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3792.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3792.jpg)



remote oil filter and radiator overflow relocated and mounted:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3769.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3769.jpg)

coil, distributor, and plug wires are all installed and connected. OOOHHH!!! my fender is back on!

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3799.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3799.jpg)

the heat exchanger with fans is mounted. i took this picture just to show them, but their permanently mount is hidden up behind the bumper where i can't really get a good pic.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_3789.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_3789.jpg)

[Mars_302]

very very clean

[Na306StAnG]

Sooo??? When do we get of video of the first test drive?

[Lumberjack]

that looks waaaay to clean. put some grease prints on there somewhere or something :lol:

comming along very nice. and fast.

[Stoopid Wendy]

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/images/thumb_wmv.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/running.wmv)

if you can't view it by just clicking the link, then right-click save as.

more to come...

[MiDiablo]

Dirty Tease! :lol:

[Na306StAnG]

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/images/thumb_wmv.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/running.wmv)

if you can't view it by just clicking the link, then right-click save as.

more to come...

ahhhhhh skeet skeet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Stoopid Wendy]

here is a longer video. a few different vids sewn together. it's about 8mb in size, 3.5 minutes long.

some details... she started with only 5 degrees of timing! woops! hehehe the headers were glowing red at one point until we got the timing right. the air/fuel seems nice, good oil pressure. i took her out for a drive last night. i'm gonna have to get used to not having power steering again! lol gonna run her easy for a little bit to break in the motor and clutch. since we put the coilovers on, her front wheels are all cockeyed so she is going in for an alignment tomorrow.

i think thats it for now. i'll get some go fast vids up when we jump on her. and, of course, i'll video the dyno. hehehe

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/images/thumb_wmv.jpg (http://wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/Cars/Videos/running2.wmv) << click to watch the WMV file

YouTube - Got her running!! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ncOuKdkDu1U) << click to watch the flash file

[Na306StAnG]

Awesome Wendy Congratulation's to you and John. And it only took 9 pages :)

[Lumberjack]

nice!

[Stoopid Wendy]

a ton of thanks go out to dominic at blue moon automotive for the dyno!

well, the dyno went well. we found out we had two problems.

at WOT she is running well as far as air/fuel... right at about 12 across the graph. could be a hair leaner but 12 is safe so i'm good there. the problem is when you first get on the throttle she goes lean at about 15 and then goes to 14 and hovers there for a second before she drops into the 12 zone. so we've got a little fine tuning yet to do with the carb.

the second problem was the turbo. we set the boost controller to 15 psi. john tested her out on tuesday and saw 15 psi on the gauge. we thought we had her right where we wanted her for the dyno. but... when she got on the rollers, all we saw was 10 psi. so... something somewhere wasn't right. maybe we still have a little bit to learn about the boost controller. hehehe

either way, it was definitely a respectable number and i am happy with it.

first pull was a little weird... she blew the sensor out of the exhaust and lost the a/f reading, then we think she spun the tires cuz half of the hp/tq readings are missing from the graph. lol nuttin but whitespace! so the first pull reading are off on the rpm since the middle of the power range numbers are what was missing, but the readings were...

511.48 hp @ 5800 rpm
694.81 tq @ 3400 rpm

second pull:

578.76 hp @ 4500 rpm
702.79 tq @ 4100 rpm

the video of the second pull (the lean stumble is very clear):

YouTube - 1991 lx dyno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9LHCIMYhF8)

[Na306StAnG]

700+ ft tq :yikes:

[**CHRIS**]

the video of the second pull (the lean stumble is very clear):

YouTube - 1991 lx dyno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9LHCIMYhF8)


Those are some awesome numbers, I left a comment for ya on YouTube. :cool:

[Stoopid Wendy]

thanks chris!!

here is the chart (click to see larger):

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_dyno.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/dyno.jpg)

[Gooser]

Thats alot of power

[03ZX6RRider]

very nice numbers! Are you going to do some more tuning dyno runs?

[Stoopid Wendy]

yes, i am making some modifications before i do that tho... hehehe

[**CHRIS**]

I updated your Modded Mustangs thread...people were asking about the progress. :cool:

[$hawn]

those are great #s. I went back and read your list of parts and kinda expected to see those #s swaped....7xx hp 5xx tq. kick ass either way! makes me want to get mine finished...

[Stoopid Wendy]

I updated your Modded Mustangs thread...people were asking about the progress. :cool:

lol yeah i guess i should go back over there and finish my thread. lol i forgot i started it there too. hehehe

[Stoopid Wendy]

those are great #s. I went back and read your list of parts and kinda expected to see those #s swaped....7xx hp 5xx tq. kick ass either way! makes me want to get mine finished...

we expect that the HP number will catch up to the TQ number when i get traction on the dyno. lol

[smokeshow]

Very nice indeed...

Personally would of only changed a few small details... like matching the block color to the hoses... and smoothing out the ribs in the firewall... but that is just the OCD side of me saying that... truly amazing car... wish there were more builds/built like it... can't say enough how nice of a car that is... makes me miss my fox...

[Stoopid Wendy]

thats cool ~ thanks!

[riverviewnative]

WOW you guys are having too much fun. Keep it up.

[Scott]

Good job Wendy. This is exactly how my dyno runs look, way more TQ than HP at any given level of boost setting. It is the beauty of a carb set up.. :D

[Scott]

Will clean this one up later.

[Stoopid Wendy]

i suppose i should do some updates since the project has progressed some now that she has been running...

bye bye tko600 5 speed

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_4072.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_4072.jpg)

hello Powerglide 2 speed automatic

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/Cars/Engine/normal_Picture_020.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/Cars/Engine/Picture_020.jpg)
http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_4548.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_4548.jpg)

original shifter placement

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_4229a.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_4229a.jpg)

new shifter placement

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_4558.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_4558.jpg)


i need to get some more pictures from underneath but these are the new parts list for the tranny conversion:


Powerglide 2-speed automatic with brake
SFI bellhousing
Deep, finned transmission pan
PTC 4000 stall converter
JW "the wheel" flexplate
Hurst pistol grip Quarterstick II shifter
Tranny cooler with fan
Polyurethane transmission mount
PST custom aluminum driveshaft

[Adrenalin]

Looking good Wendy! I really really like the looks of that shifter too! :bling:

How much did you have to shell out in parts if you don't mind me asking?

[Stoopid Wendy]

lol too much!

for which part.... the motor or the transmission swap? or both? lol

[Adrenalin]

lol too much!

for which part.... the motor or the transmission swap? or both? lol

I hear ya! :lol:

I suppose I was curious more about the glide and coverter.

[$hawn]

man i'm leaning toward a glide. looks great... lots of work.

If you don't mind me asking, how much do you have in to the tranny/converter?

[Stoopid Wendy]

we got a bit of a break on the transmission because we've had this tranny sitting in our garage for the last 7 or 8 years. so we didn't have the cost of purchasing the transmission.

however, we sent it out to paul dorn and had him work it up. he changed the first gear from a 1.82 to a 1.76. he did all the typical things you have to do to a glide to make it work on a ford (input shafts, etc). he put a trans brake in it (not pro tree), he cut the bellhousing and bolted on an SFI housing. that was all about $1200 or $1300 including the gearset, bellhousing, and crank adapter.

we paid about $120 for the flywheel (157 tooth). all the parts we bought were JW. if you go with the 157 flywheel you need to get a small bolt pattern converter.

the converter is a PTC 9.5" set up for the turbo. it's got the anti-ballooning plate and steel sprag. that was another $850.

and we paid about $350 for the PST aluminum driveshaft.

we got the hurst quarterstick II shifter with pistol grip for about $230.

the transmission pan was about $100.

we used the stock trans cross member, slightly modified.

there were other small things like the tranny cooler for $50 or whatever... the rest of it was all nickel and dime stuff.

so all told, it was in the neighborhood of $2900 give or take.

we were able to offset that by selling all of my practically new 5 speed parts (tko600, spec 3+ clutch, fidanza flywheel, lakewood bell, frpp alum driveshaft, etc) so it worked out pretty good for us.

john says that it really wasn't a lot of work to do the conversion itself. the hard part was planning the conversion and picking the pieces.

[$hawn]

thanks a bunch!

[Scott]

Looks great Wendy, oh I just found your PM, will call tomorrow.

I am leaning towards a glide but have not ruled out a TH400.

Keep the updates coming.

[Adrenalin]

thanks a bunch!

+1 Thanks Wendy

[Wade95]

Eleven pages and it makes me like the car even more. Thnx again for the ride. No traction in any gear is stoopid fun!

[Stoopid Wendy]

wade, hopefully traction won't be so much of an issue with the new rubber and suspension pieces. she only seems slow when she's spinning at 80 mph. lol next time might be a little different.

more updates are coming... she's got her ass up in the air again (stoopid whore). lol

got rid of the moroso trick rear springs. ordered the new axles and posi to go along with the new wheels and rubber. getting the rear end shortened an inch. i'm sure we'll have to re-route my exhaust pipe now. getting harder to keep it stealth! lol i'll have pix up soon.

[LS1COUPE]

wendy, whats the reason for narrowing the rearend? is the the wheels or just the big tires?

thanks for any info as i am about to order the same wheels since MT ET Drag wheels arent made with mustang offsets.

[Stoopid Wendy]

you are right on... with the 15x8 wheels and the 275/60s when she is sitting still, there is about a half inch of clearance with my unrolled fender lip. once she is in motion, that lip tears the tire up.

i don't want to roll my fenders, so we are shortening the rear end to bring the wheels/tires in a little bit so that they tuck a little nicer and we may be able to lower the car back down a tad. we don't need to pull them in an entire inch, but we got the long wheel studs so john is going to use a half inch billet spacer to knock em back out a half inch. so that should give me an inch of clearance from the fender lip. and we'll have room to adjust as necessary. john will prolly have to do use some gentle influence on the inner fender to make room on the inside.

not only do the 60s fill the well, but they are taller and jack her ass all up. i want my low-slung stance back.


EDIT: Not the best pic cuz of the shadow... but i think you get my point. click it to see it bigger.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_5043.jpg (http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_5043.jpg)

[Stoopid Wendy]

so i guess this thread is no longer just about my new motor and turbo build... might as well keep other mechanical updates in here as well.

so we get my rear end out and get it ready to send to the chassis shop for the big chop. he was also going to weld a couple of tabs on so that john could attach some braces to the rear end to strengthen it.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_5135.jpg
http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_5142.jpg
http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_5143.jpg

now i didn't notice anything while taking these pix, but something registered in my mind as a little off. but i couldn't put my finger on it. if you closely examine pix 2 and 3 you might catch a whiff of what was wrong. lol more on this if you don't see it.

we got the rear end back from the chassis shop last night. he went ahead and instead of just putting on some mounting tabs for us he put the bracing on that we were thinking about doing.

he ended up having to cut the drivers side axle tube completely off since it was bent almost a quarter of an inch back. lol he put it on a jig, got it all straight again and welded her back up.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_5215.jpg
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now its just too bad that strange couldn't send us the correct 33 spline axles that we ordered. we asked them to make them an inch shorter on each side. they send us stock length axles. we slid them in last night and they touch in the middle. lol

guess they are getting the big chop too. :lol:

[Na306StAnG]

now its just too bad that strange couldn't send us the correct 33 spline axles that we ordered. we asked them to make them an inch shorter on each side. they send us stock length axles. we slid them in last night and they touch in the middle. lol

I ordered a set of 2 inch shorter axles about a week ago for a fox they sent me 3rd gen Camaro axles :tard:



Car is outrageous Wendy!!!

[Stoopid Wendy]

I ordered a set of 2 inch shorter axles about a week ago for a fox they sent me 3rd gen Camaro axles :tard:



Car is outrageous Wendy!!!

did you talk to a girl (Tracy) when you ordered them?

[Stoopid Wendy]

cliffnotes: strange customer service is the worst ever!

john was gonna go ahead and have the axles cut locally but he thought better of it today and decided to call strange back and have them take the axles back and fix the problem they created. its one of those things, you just know if those axles fail for some reason, strange is gonna say its our fault since WE cut them.

so he calls strange this morning and talks to a guy and tells him the whole deal with the original conversation with tracy about the shortened axles and not getting them. the guy starts to argue with john a little bit about how nothing was written on the original order sheet about shortening the axles. john explains that when he called to order the axles he had already sent the rear end off to be narrowed so why would he order stock length axles... they bicker a little bit and the guy finally agrees to have UPS pick up the axles. he says it'll take a week or so to get them, cut them, and resend them. john tells him that is fine since our posi unit is still on back order it really doesn't matter. then the guy tells us that they got two posi units in and one is ours and it is being sent out tomorrow. LOL john says whatever - just pick up the axles and fix them. they hang up. all is hunky dory.

about 10 minutes later he gets a call. its strange. its tracy from strange. she begins to tell john that he never ordered shortened axles or she would have written it down. john tells her the same thing he told the other guy. she insists that he didn't order them that way and started getting snotty with him. he hung up on her instead of saying what he wanted to say.

she calls right back. john asks her if she is calling him a liar. she says no. he asks her if she remembers the conversation so well to tell him what else he ordered. she confessed she didn't remember the details of their original conversation. he told her he was too busy to talk to her anymore. she tells john that strange will pay for half of the shipping to send the axles back. john says no way is that acceptable. she continues to argue that this was not her fault and that strange would only pay half. john told her the deal was already made with the other guy for strange to pick up the tab since it was their fault. she tells john that she will give him a list of places local to us that can cut the axles. john tells her no deal and that strange pays for everything or they can cancel the order. she finally relents and lets john get off the phone.

she called back 10 minutes later with the return authorization number to return the axles. she apologized for the heated conversation with john but still refused to accept responsibility for the fuck up.

word from the wise, make them read your order back to you just like you have to do at mcdonalds.

[864I'DCaprI]

/\ Thats messed up, dumb ass people....sux you had to go through that guys.....Hope it gets all worked out...:werd:

[Adrenalin]

Sucks to hear, but it sounds like it's gonna get worked out. The rear looks stout and an awesome build as usual.

[Stoopid Wendy]

woo woo!!! making progress!!! lol

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_5361.jpg

[Na306StAnG]

did you talk to a girl (Tracy) when you ordered them?

Nope, His name was Ed. I got the axles yesterday but they forgot to send the bearings/bolts and studs for the axles :mad: And by the time UPS dropped them off to me it was 6:45 Friday night. Guess what time Strange closed yesterday.

John/Wendy I feel your pain. Worst part, its not my stuff so this is making me look bad.

Edit*

by the way I ate the shipping on sending those 3rd gen axles back. :(

[Stoopid Wendy]

Edit*

by the way I ate the shipping on sending those 3rd gen axles back. :(

how the hell did that happen? :-o

[Na306StAnG]

how the hell did that happen? :-o

Strange would not own up to their fuck up. So I had to ship these back and get a credit and order new ones and have them ship the right ones.

I didn't have time to argue with them. The dead line for the customer to pick up the rear is tomorrow at noon. And I spent almost 3 hours driving around today to find eight 3/8x24 grade 8 bolts for the housing ends. Seams Home depot sells nuts 3/8x24 but not the bolts, then every ace around here had three. I even had to drive to the Ace down by country side mall/Gearhead today. I had to steal the backing plates off my new rear to finish this. :nono:

[Stoopid Wendy]

dood that totally sucks. i'm sorry to hear that. its a shame they blow at customer service.

[Na306StAnG]

dood that totally sucks. i'm sorry to hear that. its a shame they blow at customer service.

Turbonetics did the same thing to us (same customer) about a month ago. But no worries as long as he is happy it will be so worth it. I'm just thankful he has been so patient with me.


P.S.
Quit taking your car apart. :lol:

[Stoopid Wendy]

P.S.
Quit taking your car apart. :lol:

why stop now? getting really good at it now. :lol:

[Stoopid Wendy]

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_5372.jpg

[19-Camaro-88]

how much did all that ^ run you? did you buy it all set up like that or did you make it?

[Stoopid Wendy]

florida 5.0 wanted $900+ assembled with gauges and wiring and shipped.

nah.

we bought just the cluster piece with no gauges or wiring from florida 5.0, bought all the gauges from summit (or jegs, i can't remember now), got the indicator lights from radio shack, and installed it for about $600 out of pocket.

[19-Camaro-88]

wow.. i'll just keep my stock ones lol. but yours looks so awesome lol.

[MiDiablo]

They're definitely awesome! Keep up the good work!

Wendy, your mileage was 46,014.5 on the cluster you sold me ;)

[Stoopid Wendy]

thanks josh!! lol out driving her around tonight when i realized i lost the only way to keep track of the mileage on the new motor!

i'm thinkin the 275/60s gotta go.

[19-Camaro-88]

why would you get rid of them? and damn i wish i could take a ride in it. ive never been in a fast car before :roll:

[19-Camaro-88]

PM me if you wanna get rid of those tires any time soon.

[Stoopid Wendy]

i can't get the stance i want with the taller tires without rolling my fenders. i still don't wanna do it. i think i am gonna go back with the shorter, fatter 275/50s and get my stance back. i've got all my adjustments at the tallest they can go and i don't like the 'jacked up' look and feel.

[19-Camaro-88]

why dont you wanna roll the fenders any? i just rolled the little lip under mine with a hammer and solved my problem and you cant even tell i did anything.

[Stoopid Wendy]

i prolly will have my fenders rolled when i take her into the bodyshop for body work and paint. but i have seen fender rolling go bad and i don't wanna mess with it myself. i'd rather leave that to someone who does it for a living.

[Adrenalin]

I screwed up my drivers side lip by cutting relief notches. I was told that was the best thing since sliced bread. Everywhere that I cut a notch... about 6" apart or so, it pulled the metal in and looked like ass. Later I was told that I should have cut the notches every 3/4"-1" or so. I did the passenger side with no cutting and turned out okay.

I tried a fender roller device but with the narrowed rear, it wouldn't reach the fender.

[Stoopid Wendy]

ok, so we got some stuff squared away with the interior.

the new dash instrument cluster is all in and wired up and working perfectly.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_5476xas.jpg
http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_5495xas.jpg

we also got rid of the Innovate air/fuel sensor since it didn't work very well. and instead we got an autometer sensor. seems to work much better so far.

i know this says its a boost gauge, but we are using it as a fuel pressure gauge. its mounted in the cowl right next to the shift light.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_5501xas.jpg

put a little bling in the interior... hehehe

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_5497xas.jpg

the shifter placement and bezel is all in place now. my new coffee cup holder is also installed. john molded it to fit my favorite style coffee mug.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_5491xas.jpg
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thats about it for now.

[LS1COUPE]

i LOVE the cut ashtray lid. it looks SO much cleaner than leaving it open.


any track times yet?

[864I'DCaprI]

Looking good guys :D

[Stoopid Wendy]

i LOVE the cut ashtray lid. it looks SO much cleaner than leaving it open.


any track times yet?

thank you. i totally didn't like it open and all rough looking. john had an idea that the ash tray cover would work as a cover ans he spent quite a bit of time cutting and shaping the opening to fit the exact length of the movement of the shifter. it came out perfectly.

no track times. we just finished garage tuning her today. she is running just awesome. prolly next weekend we are going to do some tuning on the dyno to make sure she's good all through the power range. then... we will definitely be at the next track day!

[MiDiablo]

As always, a job well done! :bigthumb:

[Stoopid Wendy]

cliff notes: underdrive pulleys and black magic fans are poo poo.

another update...

i used to have a difficult time driving my car to work. i drive 30 miles one way (about an hour) and during the warmer months, which here in florida accounts for about 10 out of the 12 months) my car would run warm.

without the a/c on she would run about 190 or so. with the a/c on... well, i'd have to shut the a/c off when she hit 215 or so. that was usually about half way home.

that sucks.

so our first purchase was a high flow water pump. didn't help.

our next purchase was an upgraded flex-a-lite black magic fan... the black magic extreme. didn't work.

i was left sweating in my car and scratching my head. i was not happy.

so we decided to go back to square one. i have underdrive pulleys on my car. we designed the turbo kit with them on. john decided to put the stock pulleys back on the car to speed the water pump back up (thank you ray!). well we couldn't get the stock crank pulley back on because of the down tube, so we settled for just putting the stock water pump pulley back on.

then john did a test on the black magic extreme fan. he took the radiator and fan assembly out and put it to the paper test. we were actually disappointed to see how weak the pull of this fan was; how close the paper had to be before the fan would suck it up. and the pull was almost non-existent on the outer edges of the radiator.

john got an idea about dual fans. so we bought a regular old summit brand dual 11" fans and installed them. we did the paper test with these fans as well and they pulled to paper in from farther away and the pull was almost as strong around the edges of the radiator.

the results? the other day i drove her to work and the weather ended up being 96 for the high and on the way home in late afternoon traffic with my a/c on she got up to 188 degrees at the hottest.

now thats what i'm talkin about!

[864I'DCaprI]

Hows she hooking, anything?? :nerd:

[19-Camaro-88]

Hows she hooking, anything?? :nerd:


non heated tires + powerglide + transbrake + on the street = no hope at all for traction:crack: Thanks for the ride John! :D


PS, the MTs fit perfect and hook great for me at only 20 PSI. now i just need to buy a stronger clutch. Its always something :lol:

[Stoopid Wendy]

lol glad you enjoyed the ride miles. hehehe yeah, tranny brake launches on the street = no traction. john let off when her back end crossed the center line.

[Na306StAnG]

non heated tires + powerglide + transbrake + on the street = no hope at all for traction:crack: Thanks for the ride John! :D



Thats bullshit!! :mad:

:lol:

[19-Camaro-88]

lol glad you enjoyed the ride miles. hehehe yeah, tranny brake launches on the street = no traction. john let off when her back end crossed the center line.

ha, felt like it crossed a few times! lol.. i only got a little on edge when it felt like it was completly lost but john saved it, thank god. i would hate to see something bad happen to your "toy".

[Adrenalin]

Thats bullshit!! :mad:

:lol:

What's bullshit, is there is no video posted yet!

[Stoopid Wendy]

lol i asked if it was video camera time and john said he wouldn't be too hard on miles, so there was no need.

now he's telling me i need to go to the road he took miles out for a ride on and gets pix of the tracks! lmao

[IwinUlose]

do it do it now......

[19-Camaro-88]

hard on me? pshh, no such thing. i was wanting MORE!

[19-Camaro-88]

i wish we could get all of the fox's together for a shoot and cruise durring the day, then head out to the track later that night for some fun.

[Na306StAnG]

What's bullshit, is there is no video posted yet!

I want to go for a ride!!! :nerd: :D

[Stoopid Wendy]

all requests will be honored lol

[Stoopid Wendy]

do it do it now......

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_5511.jpg

[smokeshow]

7h3 W34k54uc3!!!!

[Stoopid Wendy]

add two more things to the To Do list:

bigger turbo
4" down tube

[864I'DCaprI]

WOW. That car is gonna be a freaking beast an a half for the street with that bigger turbo!!!

Looks like Im gonna have to make a thread in the project section ;) :nerd:

[Stoopid Wendy]

turbo ordered.

[864I'DCaprI]

How big if I may ask :nerd: Doesnt sound right but I am asking a girl this question!!!! :lol:

And flange size please ;)

One thing ya'll dont do is mess around!!!! G/L and of course if you guys ever need a hand with something give me a ring anytime!!!

[Stoopid Wendy]

uhm... bigger than it was? lol

[864I'DCaprI]

:lol: do ya think sooooooo!!!!!!! :lol:

Are ya going to be able to use your existing hawt side?? Im going somewheres with this!!!

Ohh and ring ring.....info time

[Stoopid Wendy]

my new muffler came in today!

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_5546.jpg

[302andSome]

5"?

[LS1COUPE]

5"?



not on my best day:(

[Stoopid Wendy]

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_5563.jpg

[franktf]

Holy sheet that's a bigun.....:crack:

[864I'DCaprI]

EDIT: That just didnt sound goood!!!!! :nerd: !! :lol:

That thing is large!!!

[MiDiablo]

Holy Jeebus! :crack:

[GNs-r-slow]

****CAUTION**** kids and small animals stay back at least 10 feet :-o

[302andSome]

Looks familiar. S400 series?

[19-Camaro-88]

:jawdrop:i get another ride right? lol

[Stoopid Wendy]

Looks familiar. S400 series?

kinda sorta yeah

:jawdrop: i get another ride right? lol

most certainly


started her up today. the new turbo is mounted, we reused the BBK headers, tacked together a new crossover pipe and a new down pipe. just need to finish up the intercooler piping...

[Stoopid Wendy]

got my exhaust back tonight.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_5714.jpg



got the headers back too...

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_5719.jpg

[Stoopid Wendy]

got her running... clicky (http://www.wendyzak.com/Videos/new%20turbo.html)

[franktf]

:-o

[Na306StAnG]

Someone sounded a little tooo excited. :lol:

Congratulations!! She sounds sweet!!

Now the question is how long till you take it apart again :crack:

[Stoopid Wendy]

Now the question is how long till you take it apart again :crack:

ain't happening again! i can't do this anymore. i HATE not being able to drive my car. after we are done with this the next step is to send her to the body shop for paint. that will discourage any further mods. i think it will anyways. :lol:

[864I'DCaprI]

WOW, guys that sounds Awsome!!! Cant wait to here what mine will sound like when shes done. I need to talk to you about a few things. I will call you in the next day or so (No big rush). John looked like he had a case of perma-smile going when he got back from that ride. You guys deserve all of that, yall have been so patiant with all the F-ups people did on orders and all that. LEAVE her together for at least a month when yall get done!!! And as usuall I want to ride in shotgun again here shortly!!! Great job guys :D

[Stoopid Wendy]

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_5810.jpg

[Na306StAnG]

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_100_5810.jpg

ahhhhhhhhhhhh you cock tease!!! :mad:

[Stoopid Wendy]

did it work? hehehe

lol i'll have the video up in a few minutes...

[Na306StAnG]

lol i'll have the video up in a few minutes...

Few minutes.....

< is tapping foot :lol:

[Stoopid Wendy]

click (http://wendyzak.com/Videos/july08dyno2.html)

[864I'DCaprI]

I love the way she sounds now over the last set up. Looks like John got his number :nerd: Congrats guys

[OldMan]

:-o Wholly snikies!!!!!


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[GNs-r-slow]

Sweeeeeeet!!!!

[Shamus O'Toole]

Great job you guys!!

[19-Camaro-88]

wow!


Great numbers!

[MiDiablo]

:nworthy:

[bottlefedLX]

sick ride guys!!

[Paul]

wow...bad asssssss

[Stoopid Wendy]

wow...bad asssssss


hey dood! thanks for dropping by the thread! see ya around!

[Stoopid Wendy]

this was at the dyno. the turbo fab was finished, but the kit was raw. it hadn't been coated yet and the body work hadn't been done. we figured why make it all pretty if it ain't quite right yet and have to take it all back apart.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_5808.jpg



wade, you oughta be familiar with this one.... out she goes!

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_5834.jpg



after removal:

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_5835.jpg




can you say exhaust leak?

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_5840.jpg

[Stoopid Wendy]

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_5846.jpg




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a little before and after porting....

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_5857.jpg
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[Stoopid Wendy]

cleaned up and repainted the block. took the heads over to action auto to have them resurfaced. those dudes rock.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_5861.jpg
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[Stoopid Wendy]

redid the body work and paint in the engine bay.

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_5869.jpg
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[Stoopid Wendy]

goin back in! (something wade doesn't see often)

http://www.wendyzak.com/gallery/albums/userpics/100_5884.jpg
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