My $.02...Why you shouldn't PERSONALLY cut your own springs to lower a car.

[senor honda]

Why you should not personally cut your springs
to lower your own car?
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Because the secret is in the measuring.

Because Senor Honda (me) is the only one on TR who knows
how to precisely measure your suspension to avoid
the problems that others speak of.

I have been lowering cars for years using OEM springs and stock adjusters for people who were saving up for the high dollar suspensions,

..............and some of them decided that the measuring
and lowering that I did, meant that they did not need
to buy the high dollar stuff.-Bob

[Outkasted24]

:serious:

[treekiller]

"Why you shouldn't PERSONALLY cut your own springs to lower a car. "


Ohh ohh ohh.. let me guess.
Because it's ghetto?

ummm.. oh wait. because if you cannot even afford a $75 set of ebay springs you shouldn't be modifying shit?

Oh I know! because this post attempts to legimatize a dangerous and assinine practice!

[killerMikeD]

Why you should not personally cut your springs
to lower your own car?
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Because the secret is in the measuring.

Because Senor Honda (me) is the only one on TR who knows
how to precisely measure your suspension to avoid
the problems that others speak of.

I have been lowering cars for years using OEM springs and stock adjusters for people who were saving up for the high dollar suspensions,

..............and some of them decided that the measuring
and lowering that I did, meant that they did not need
to buy the high dollar stuff.-Bob



I wouldnt say your the only one per say.... But i agree you shouldnt PERSONALLY CUT your own springs....

[killerMikeD]

I know! because this post attempts to legimatize a dangerous and assinine practice!

:lol: For most yea, but it can be done, and has been done and works if you do it correctly.....

[senor honda]

You are correct, killermike.-Bob

:lol: For most yea, but it can be done, and has been done and works if you do it correctly.....

[senor honda]

Sam, I go along with what enigma says that springs
don't need settling.-Bob

[senor honda]

Since I install aftermarket springs at a good price for people who don't mind spending a lot to buy them, as well as shortening stock springs to lower cars while using stock adjusters, and my experience on the cars I have worked on, shows:

That if a spring is too short, the spring is too short, and it doesn't matter if you paid $300 for a brand new too-short spring, or if you made them too short all by yourself.-Bob
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When someone wants me to lower their car with cut springs, the secret is in understanding how the suspension works, and measuring the suspension. I seem to be the only one on TR who can successfully cut springs without springs flopping around, without suspensions getting beat up, and without the tires being eaten up. AND I CAN PROVE IT.
When anyone wants to see for themselves what I'm talking about
is true, get back to me.-Bob

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Originally Posted by clean teg http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/styles/trday/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/chassis-suspension-tech/407498-ebay-lowering-springs-realy-bad.html#post4444881)
ben the skunk2 in the front at 2.5 drop with 2 coils cut off
and neuspeed race in the rear at 2.5 drop also with 2 coils cut off = WAY TOO LOW :eek: so raise with a set of dropzone springs at 2.5 drop nice and smooth

[Outkasted24]

wow, Back to this crap again.

So What exactly is "Street Lowering" Bob?

[clean teg]

Yes lets here more on this proven measurment.......
You have a quote of what I did to my car to lower and also what I did to correct it
So what would of ben the correct measurment 1 coil or half coil because me and outkasted did measure and the highth was right but how do you measure spring rate or load GUESS that what cut springs are a big guess

[clean teg]

Reped Jeff

[senor honda]

I heard that he does good work for other people, and if you have had problems with him, I am not involved. Please don't ask *me* to tell *him* how to fix your car.

While outkasted/Jeff may be a nice well-meaning person, in his postings, he has admitted that he doesn't know how to shorten coils, and has admitted that he doesn't think it CAN be done, and my "guess" is that he doesn't know how to check spring rates. He has said some other things that I can *show* to be incorrect, but I don't need to prove anyone wrong, or use words like "back to this crap". If you and outkasted/Jeff worked on your car, and you are not pleased with it, it looks like it's between you guys, and I am not involved.

3 general rules:
1.Don't take your car to someone who doesn't know how to do a certain job.

2.Don't take your car to someone who doesn't think he CAN do a certain job.

3.Don't take your car to someone who believes he can't do what you ask him to do.
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It's possible that it bothers him that I can both: 1. install aftermarket springs as well as 2.shorten stock springs without them flopping around, without the springs beating up the suspension, and without the tires being eaten......................something that I can actually *show* you, or anyone else that wants to take a ride with me.
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It may be a further irritation to outkasted/Jeff that I don't charge a lot to install aftermarket springs, and even though several hours of driving time separates us, he may think we are competing with each other, and therefore he sees me as a threat in some way.

I heard that he does good work for other people, and if you have had problems with him, I am not involved. Please don't ask *me* to tell *him* how to fix your car.-Bob
Yes lets here more on this proven measurment.......
You have a quote of what I did to my car to lower and also what I did to correct it
So what would of ben the correct measurment 1 coil or half coil because me and outkasted did measure and the highth was right but how do you measure spring rate or load GUESS that what cut springs are a big guess

[clean teg]

well said don't take your car to a place that cuts factory or aftermarket springs ...........................

[clean teg]

jeff your tune

[Outkasted24]

Yes, My Turn ;)



Bob,

#1) I don't have any enemies, Have never had a single Unsatisfied customer (please see Trader Ratings for instance), or have ever left a job incomplete.
I've worked very hard to gain a good reputation both here on TR and every other forum/site I'm a member of,...... and I plan to keep it that way !!!

My Prices are very fair, and I am always willing to Wheel & Deal to make the customer happy.
I don't really care if *you/Bob* do work for less then what I do it for, I don't use my profit to pay bills, So it's just for play.
I have no competitive issues with you, and could care less what you "Specialize" in.

2) I never said "I don't know how to cut coils", Hell.... My '95 Toyota Corolla and my '89 Ford Ranger had cut springs....... That I did My self !!! This was back in '96-'98, That is where I also learned my lesson about cut stock springs & shocks.
IMHO ...If your looking for a minor drop, you don't have a lot of money to spend, and you don't care if it's rigged up, Cut them Suckers!!!

If your looking to go more then a 1.5" drop and you want to cut your stocks, Trouble is in the near future for you (referring to: Shocks/struts blowing, camber problems, and tire wear issues).

3) I DO KNOW What I'm Doing & I Do know how to measure Spring Rates. Just look in my past posts and you'll even see links that I've posted for everyone else to use.

And Finally.....
4) Bob, I don't think you are understanding what (Matt, A Long time and still good friend of mine!!!) Clean_Teg is saying,
He is not siding with you, He's basically trying to say that he used "Aftermarket Springs" on his Integra, Didn't think the car was low enough, so he wanted me to lower the car more.........And He knew the Pros and Cons even before I whipped out the Dremel and Diamond Carbide bits.

Now Matt is learning all about Auto-X and spring rates at his own pace, So that's why all of the questions are being asked by sir Clean_Teg.

-Jeff

[clean teg]

game over

[thereturnofdark]

game over
You guys in the thread are making a mountain out of a molehill :lol:

I swear I didn't see nowhere where bob SUGGESTED installing cut springs over aftermarket. He just said that if you so preferred, it is an option he is willing to facilitate, just because YOU won't do it how can you knock him for doing so.

Just how people think that you guys who turbo your civics and integras are jokes for spending thousands trying to make XXX HP on a front wheel drive econobox where the engine/drivetrain was never even designed for it and the FWD platform makes the effort not even worth it. :dunno: I don't ever see you guys in GCC talking shit when people make threads about that because it seems you like to pick battles you only know others will agree with you on...

I don't know why you guys are trying to knock the guy's hustle. I mean like I mentioned before if he did a bad job am sure someone would've complained about it and made a thread(s) a long time ago. I have yet to see proof of this. Also personally seeing bob work i'm inclined to agree he does good work(didn't get my springs cut but had other work done)

[clean teg]

"Why you shouldn't PERSONALLY cut your own springs to lower a car. "


Ohh ohh ohh.. let me guess.
Because it's ghetto?

ummm.. oh wait. because if you cannot even afford a $75 set of ebay springs you shouldn't be modifying shit?

Oh I know! because this post attempts to legimatize a dangerous and assinine practice!
JUST READ THE QUOTE AND THERES NO COCK STROKING ITS A POINT THAT YOU SAID NO ONE MADE

[thereturnofdark]

JUST READ THE QUOTE AND THERES NO COCK STROKING ITS A POINT THAT YOU SAID NO ONE MADE

Edited post :lol:

I mean the same way you guys are knocking him people can say the same for people who do a lot of things to their car. The same way the domestic guys knock the 4 bangers with their "no replacement for displacement" cliche's. Different strokes for different folks is all i'm saying and to his credit AT NO POINT did i see him suggest cutting springs over getting aftermarket components like he said it's an option.


To Outkasted:
I mean you do have quite a bit of positive feedback and a high trader rating and i do admit you do a good job, hell you did my corolla back in my "virgin" days, but althought bob doesn't have as much trader rating as you do all of his is still positive tho :dunno: so referencing that honestly means nothing.

[clean teg]

Point Taken...

[Outkasted24]

Damn, I'm not trying to Out Shine Bob by any means, For the last time....It's not a popularity war.
It just simply all started when I received numerous questions via PM from 3 different people asking the differences between me installing an aftermarket suspension, And the Pros/Cons if Bob worked his magic on their car.

I was in a bad mood that week and two out of the three TR members were getting on my last nerve with the subject, posting more then 15+ PMs each..... Each Day......for almost a week !!!!
You would get EARKED Too if you were bugged like that with the same question over and over.
I'm Sure Bob got those same questions too, So he probably knows exactly where I'm coming from.

Anyway, Two of these people I speak of were asking to have their car slammed to the ground and needed advice as to which way to safely go.
I then explained that Bobs cutting of springs was not a safe and practical solution for that kind of drop, And They later came to me for the install work.


I'm sure....Hell, Almost positive that Bob knows more then me when it comes down to suspension, Weight Rates, and other type of Details needed for track racing.
I'm just here to shed some light on a sore subject, give my personal opinion on the practice of chopping springs, and lend a bit of knowledge that I got from attending two years of an Automotive Tech. school.

I'm done in this Post/thread.

Peace !

[clean teg]

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