What Turbo is Better

[THE_ONE]

The 35r or PTE 67rlsp in a .63 housing "AMS 37R"

The 35R comes on strong
The 37R is very linear with its power band

Low boost--- 22psi and below
The 35R comes on harder with more power hitting peak boost quicker for a longer hold and solid wall of power!

The 37R comes on smoother and ramps up making the same power but for lesser period of time!

This would make it seem that the 35r is a way funner turbo, with alot of torque.

High Boost
This is where the 37r shines, at psi levels greater than 34psi the 37r leaves the 35r in the dust by sometimes up to 70hp.

Here is the thing, if you want to just make numbers, the 37r is for you!!!

If you want to have a blast everyday and make great power with minum lag the 35r is for you!

If you don't mind the lag and love the top end power the 37r is good for you expecially if you want 700whp on boost alone.

If you love torque with that instant yank of a v8 pull getting side ways and having fun!!! 35R is the way to go!!! you can still make 630whp!!!! and have fun doing it!!!

Here is my problem~~~~ How many times will you be at high boost with race gas in your car?

How many times will you have to run over 34psi to make it worth haveing a bigger turbo?

The majority of people that drive there car daily are on low boost till the weekends or at the track! Low boost the 37R is 3-600 rpm laggier than the 35r and if not well tuned almost 1000rpm laggier.

Is it worth it on a daily driver? I say no
I say at lower boost levels the 37r makes the same power as 35r with more lag!

If you only have a weekend car or track car 37R all the way!!!!

If you have a daily driver that you still take out to dominate on the weekends 35R all the way!!!!

I say go with a 35r, and have a 60 shot of nos for the weekends, there you go!!!! The best of both worlds!!!!


I'm at work and bored with nothing other to do, and this is an arguement I've been having with myself for quite sometime. Now its out for discussion!!!

Please tell me what you think!!!

[THE_ONE]

WOW its dead in hear :(

[LS1Fever]

You know my out take on it.

[JR.]

42r

[THE_ONE]

42rIs that whats going on your car???

[JR.]

Is that whats going on your car??? :lol: hell no. the biggest turbo i'll ever run is a 35r. + i dont think i can fit a 42r in my little car:lol:

[THE_ONE]

:lol: hell no. the biggest turbo i'll ever run is a 35r. + i dont think i can fit a 42r in my little car:lol:True, I will probably run the 35r and nitrous for those hardtimes. The 37R would harder to sell than the 35r if I wasn't happy with it! This way if I want more power later I can easily sell the 35r and upgrade :D

[Alpha]

The 37R. You crack me up :lol: The GT35RLS is great for 550whp - 580whp depending upon the setup. And the .63 A/R turbine housing is booby :lol: You're asking that .63 A/R turbine todo alot. For 580whp - 650whp I would recommend a PT-67RLS with a P trim wheel and larger A/R turbine housing. For 650whp - 780whp I would recommend a PT-67RLS with a Q trim turbine wheel and larger A/R turbine housing. Anything above that your on your own :lol:

[Rob and Dave@Big Valley]

i dont know 42r with 150 shot sounds good to me

[Alpha]

i dont know 42r with 150 shot sounds good to me

And a PT-67RLS with a Q trim turbine wheel and larger A/R turbine housing is capable of making close to or the same power as a GT42R for a lot less :D Uses older style wheels though. I know people trapping 148MPH - 156MPH with it

[THE_ONE]

Going to pull an AMS, and run 47psi on a .63 35r and make 650 awhp and post that I did it at 10psi less!!!!

JK,
AMS is the shit, there just damn good at what they do I guess...

[Tom N]

You can make 650+ hp on a GT35r.
There are more than a few that have done it.

If thats not enough go with a GT4094
I would stay away from the 67trim.

[THE_ONE]

^^ True but T4 35r owns most on the streets :D

[Tom N]

^^ True but T4 35r owns most on the streets :D


Why do you say that?

[Doctor D]

16g :thumbup:

[THE_ONE]

Why do you say that?Sorry forgot to say a T4 35r on a stroker engine with a 120 shot will own on the street, expecially with the platform I'm using!

A 16g would be fun, but tractionless for me, and if I could get traction I would be limited. The 35r gives me that extra head room for higher numbers and faster times, without the lag.

[Tom N]

Sorry forgot to say a T4 35r on a stroker engine with a 120 shot will own on the street, expecially with the platform I'm using!




What do you base that on?
And what do you mean by own the street.
Do you mean the fastest?

[THE_ONE]

1.What do you base that on?
2.And what do you mean by own the street.
3.Do you mean the fastest?

1.My last 2.4l on that set up
2.700whp 2500lb awd car that has full spool by 4500rpm... own the street
3.Never can be the fastest, but one of the fastest, and most cars running that kind of power would have to come out on slicks with VHT to run from a dig. So advantage < me

[JR.]

2.700whp 2500lb awd car that has full spool by 4500rpm... own the street
nope a crx will.;)

[THE_ONE]

^^ The crx will have a system in it just to help him get traction, I will out drive him for a long time, before he is able to get what he needs out that car to out run me...

Plus my car looks better :lmao:

[JR.]

Plus my car looks better :lmao: yea it does, red interior ftw.:lol:

[Alpha]

You can make 650+ hp on a GT35r.
There are more than a few that have done it.

If thats not enough go with a GT4094
I would stay away from the 67trim.

Tom. Are you talking about Miguel and his setup specifically? Because you should know better than I not every car/setup is going to make 650+whp or even 650whp for that matter with a GT35R. IMO there is nothing wrong with the 67mm compressor wheel. It adds a couple hundred RPM of lag typically but the power it produces is great. You're right as far as it being for certain cars and setups :D

[Tom N]

Tom. Are you talking about Miguel and his setup specifically? Because you should know better than I not every car/setup is going to make 650+whp or even 650whp for that matter with a GT35R. IMO there is nothing wrong with the 67mm compressor wheel. It adds a couple hundred RPM of lag typically but the power it produces is great. You're right as far as it being for certain cars and setups :D


Not talking about anyone in perticular.
I know every setup is different and all the ones I know of that have made 650+hp with a GT35r are 2.0lt cars not strokers.
IMO if I was looking for 600+hp no nitrous and 700 w/ nitrous I would get another GT35r. I would never try to make another street car with that kind of power again though. Its just pointless trying to have a street car with that kind of power. So I would end up getting a GT4094 with spray and put it in a track car. Which I will be doing in the future. Just not sure what I want to use for a shell yet. I can tell you it will be a aluminum rod 10.5:1 2.0ltr motor.

I know the T67 makes good peak power. It just is not a very durable turbo.

[THE_ONE]

^^ The 2.0 as a street car with that power was not good, and I believe thats why you switched it was no fun as we have always argued. My 2.4 similar set up was fast as hell on the street :D I should have just left it alone but I have this problem with always wanting the best an newest shit out...getting over that phase soon hopefully

[Tom N]

^^ The 2.0 as a street car with that power was not good, and I believe thats why you switched it was no fun as we have always argued. My 2.4 similar set up was fast as hell on the street :D I should have just left it alone but I have this problem with always wanting the best an newest shit out...getting over that phase soon hopefully



NO. I did it because it wasnt safe.
It was to much power for the street.
The power band was high and could have been fixed with nitrous but that would not fix the first and the most important problem I had with the setup.
To much power for a street car. That kind of power belongs on the track.
A 2.4 will never be the answer. 2.0ltrs will always be faster no matter what turbo you choose.

[JR.]

NO. I did it because it wasnt safe.
.beeing safe is the most important +1 tom

[THE_ONE]

NO. I did it because it wasnt safe.
It was to much power for the street.
The power band was high and could have been fixed with nitrous but that would not fix the first and the most important problem I had with the setup.
To much power for a street car. That kind of power belongs on the track.
A 2.4 will never be the answer. 2.0ltrs will always be faster no matter what turbo you choose.Okay Tom, I know the car was laggy ass hell, it doesn't matter how much power the car makes. It can always be turned down with the twist of a knob. Your power band was to high and no fun on the street leaving you to only enjoy it at high rpms...

Not something I even care to argue about, I will take you for a ride if I ever finish this one :thumbup:

[Tom N]

I have riden in Jerry`s car many times.
It fast and fun in its way. But I dont like the way strokers run out of gas so fast. Peaks quick and then the power just starts dropping. I dont like that.

Not downing the stroker. Its just not for me. I dont want to battle figuring out how to make a 100mm stroke breath. Because you cant.
Everyone had thier own sence of whats right for them when it comes to car building.

[THE_ONE]

Jerry's car is like that because he set it up like that. You need to go for a ride in my car. My car doesn't run out of gas it pulls harder and harder till shift point. I run bigger cams than Jerry, and a sheet metal intake manifold, not a cyclone. My set up flows very different from Jerry's ;)

I know where your coming from but on the street the 2.4 is the way to go, eventually if I turn it into a track car I will go with a 2.0l and 42r with a set of Crane cams...

[Tom N]

I will gladly go for a ride when its done.
I am always up for seeing how different setups feel.
I just know its near impossible to battle a 100mm stroke when it comes to getting air in it in the upper rpms. Piston speed is just to fast.
Thats why people like Marco who swore by strokers no longer runs one.
I am sure it will be a fun car on the street with the stroker motor. Just wont be utilizing all that turbo has to offer.But you dont have to be the fastest to enjoy your car. It just has to be to your liking.

[THE_ONE]

:thumbup:

[sireal]

nope a crx will.;)
:-o :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[THE_ONE]

:-o :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao::madfawk:

[autoxtii]

borg warner s366 over gt35,37or40r

[Alpha]

borg warner s366 over gt35,37or40r

You're using a BW unit?

[Mars_302]

http://www.eccentric-photography.com/motorsports/albums/photos/drag/nmra05/normal_IMG_9940.JPG

or this one hahaha
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2021/willie1cx.jpg

Go big or go home

[homemade wrx]

35r is more than capable on a well built motor with a knowledgable tuner...case and point a k20 (stock cams, factory sized valves, a pocket port job from me) at my old shop was putting down 630 @28 psi on our mustang dyno (sti's baseline 210 on it)...its all about effiency in and out (manifolds and head) and then combustion effiecieny (pressure, CR, cams, rod ratio, etc...)
choose wisely or have an engineer and porter on your side ;)
we can pull power out of no where

I'm also not a fan of the 37r...I'd either run a 35 or a 40...either that or look at the borg line up...I was going to run the s372 for nhra sport rwd but have since opted to go all out :D

[THE_ONE]

Holy grave digging......

35r for what I have 2.4/2.3 stroker is the best turbo to use, the trade off for the amount of lag you get vs the additional 40whp power gain over the 35r isn't worth it. 35r + 125 shot is the way to go imo, you get an awsome fun street car with minimal lag and the shot to handle the big boys whenever needed. If I need a bigger turbo I will lower displacement and go with a 42r but at that point it will be a track car. The reason why is because it will be no fun on the street unless I 2stepp and brake boost the hell out of it everywhere.

My car shouldn't weigh more than 2500lbs when I'm completely done with it I hope. It will go on a strict diet once it comes out the chasis shop if it's any heavier than that. So 35r and spray should be more than enough for me.

This car is powered by a T4 GT35R w/120shot and has a dog box
Goes 9.0 @ 160
DogBox Talon 90 160mph - Putfile (http://media.putfile.com/DogBox-Talon-90-160mph)

After I kill a few trannies, I might have to get a dog box too :(

[homemade wrx]

yeah, the 2.4/2.3 strokers handle a .95 TS 4088R about like a 2.0 handles a .82 hotside 35R...and like wise a 35 like a 2.0 handles a 30...so for a streetable turbo you pretty spot on...
the real question is .82 or 1.06
Had a subie 2.7 stroker (road race car on 278/274 cams) on a 1.06 hostided 35r and it was quite happy and should suit you well considering the exhuast energy you will still have over the subie.

and sorry for the grave digging, didn't realize how old it was until I posted

[THE_ONE]

yeah, the 2.4/2.3 strokers handle a .95 TS 4088R about like a 2.0 handles a .82 hotside 35R...and like wise a 35 like a 2.0 handles a 30...so for a streetable turbo you pretty spot on...
the real question is .82 or 1.06
Had a subie 2.7 stroker (road race car on 278/274 cams) on a 1.06 hostided 35r and it was quite happy and should suit you well considering the exhuast energy you will still have over the subie.

and sorry for the grave digging, didn't realize how old it was until I posted:lol: nothing to be sorry about, its a very interesting topic. My question that has me battling it out is .58 or .68 T4 housings.

[homemade wrx]

yeah, for my 4202R I'm torn between 1.10 or 1.15 as well as Tial stainless single or traditional twinscroll

[Alpha]

For the amount of power you're looking for the .68 housing is going to be ideal. Even your boy Brad Brooks told you that. Admit it though. You're not torn. You're dead set on the .58 :lol:

[THE_ONE]

^ lol

[autoxtii]

worry about gettin on the road with a 16g or something first then buy an s362.

[egyptboi]

worry about gettin on the road with a 16g or something first then buy an s362.

:lol: :lol: :lol: hes built too much hype to rock something that small on it

[Alpha]

worry about gettin on the road with a 16g or something first then buy an s362.

If he put a 16g on his 2.4 I would slap him

And I still have not got my invitation :P

[THE_ONE]

If he put a 16g on his 2.4 I would slap him

And I still have not got my invitation :PDamn man, I will personally deliver it to your job if not tomorrow then monday.


On the turbo note, I will be using the FP 35R with the .68 housing, I have a FP 67 on order already. Once that comes out it will go on the shelf in my closet till I'm done playing with the 35R, also pending it turns out like we hope.

If I still have my Eclipse at that time I will just order a DNP mani and slap the FP 35R on the Eclipse with my spare .58 housing once the FP67 goes on the Civic. If the new FP67 does not turn out as good as the FP35R did, I will be sticking with the 35R and go 3052 on the Eclipse.

The Eclipse is out dated but a very good car, so if no one wants to pick it up I will slap a nice paint job on her and ride out. No need for another payment anyway ;)

[homemade wrx]

I wouldn't call a borg s362 small, persay...you can get plenty of power on it

[THE_ONE]

Run a Borg, Resistance is futile

[GsEclipse02]

And I still have not got my invitation :P

me either fuck lol ... i thought we were friends Miguel ...

ps pming you...