D16 Civic vs. Camaro SS

[Evangelion]

So I finished swapping in my friends D16Z6 motor in his Honda Civic CX (2042lbs.). After getting rid of all the little bugs and troubleshooting various abnormalities, we decided to take the car out for a spin. The car pulls pretty hard for a 1.6L. Well we are coming back from getting something to eat and we roll up to this white Camaro SS. His car had exhaust from what I could tell, and possible more stuff done. So my friend gives him a rev to see if he's game. No response. So the light turns green and we both ride out slowly in first gear, neither of us shifting yet. Seeing as there are no other cars around, my friend decides, "Why the hell not," and gives a slow 3 honks. Sure enough the Camaro gets on it with us. To our amazement his car just blew by us like we were standing still. I mean he literally launched the car out in mid first gear. My friend wound his motor all the way out as quick as it would go and by the time we hit third gear his break lights were lighting up 20 cars down the road. So we hurry to catch up to him down the road to have a chat. I was surprised to learn all he had was exhaust and a "lid?", which I think was B.S. by the way he pulled us. BTW, it was a 2000 Camaro SS from what he said. My friend's car has the D16Z6 swapped CX hatch, with AEM cold air intake, Tanabe exhaust, DC Sports header, testpipe, Exospeed cam, and it's tuned with an VAFC. In the previous car it was in the motor put down 132whp/106tq, not to bad for the weight of his hatchback that he has now. Still that Camaro was pretty nice, he ripped us good. Good run if you're out there...by they way I think you had more that what you told us, :lol: .

[Doctor D]

well, its like a 200hp difference there

[GTman85]

An SS with exhaust and lid is probably a 12 sec car with a good driver. Plus that 200 hp difference helps just a tad. :) Good death none the less

[Evangelion]

Yeah, but those cars are really heavy. I figured it would be a close race. He was probably spraying a 100 shot or something.

[GTman85]

No they arent that heavy and im sure he wasnt spraying a 100 shot. An exhaust and lid LS1 SS is a fast car.

[myltwon]

lol@thread

[Off-Topic]

dont argue with the SS i did about 2 years ago not worth it lol

[Vash350Z]

Good try on making a legit thread, almost bought it.

[GRez]

Seriously?

[BAMF]

:bsflag: as usual.

[nurve]

lol@thread


Damn Hondas.... Good sport tho runnin' a SS. :mullet:

[Derka]

you expect a lot from a single cam

[GTman85]

I dont want to bash him and the single cam because that would be the typical TR response, but i just dont think he understands the power of an SS

[corey r.]

No way dude...i saw an LS1 fight godzilla and the LS1 beat godzilla and it looked in the air and was like what do you think of that god? And god was like bring it bitch, so they fought and the LS1 beat god and now the LS1 is god because its the greatest thing ever


what I once thought was, is now no more.

[BAMF]

Maybe if GM put half as much R&D into headlights, window motors, and what can only be described as "F-body noises" as they did into the LS1 those cars would be a little nicer.

[99cobra281]

nice man

[Vash350Z]

Maybe if GM put half as much R&D into headlights, window motors, and what can only be described as "F-body noises" as they did into the LS1 those cars would be a little nicer.

teehee.

[Evangelion]

I dont want to bash him and the single cam because that would be the typical TR response, but i just dont think he understands the power of an SS

Seriously, how fast can a bolt ons SS be? High 14s at best? I drove a V6 Camaro awhile back and I was not impressed.

[GTman85]

^ please step away from the pipe. Im just not going to say anything anymore. High 14's are you serious?

[Doctor D]

^ please step away from the pipe. Im just not going to say anything anymore. High 14's are you serious? hes not, dont take him seriously

[BrokeMofugga]

Seriously, how fast can a bolt ons SS be? High 14s at best? I drove a V6 Camaro awhile back and I was not impressed.
wow :lol:

[URFUCT]

If it had been a regular Z28 it probably would have been a good ass race.

[corey r.]

If it had been a regular Z28 it probably would have been a good ass race.

True Story.

[95w_bTEG]

wtf is with this thread?!

sohc with 130ish whp, no man, it aint nowhere close to an el es juan camaro!

what u seen was true, a fast fucking car!

i have a gsr hatch, and i dont attempt such a thing.

[BlackWind]

at first i though the was going to say he beat the SS...i got scurred...

[ugly86integra]

ya need a whole lot more than the mods on the hatch to do battle with an SS !!!!!!
but yeah, good death! ;)




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[ugly86integra]

No way dude...i saw an LS1 fight godzilla and the LS1 beat godzilla and it looked in the air and was like what do you think of that god? And god was like bring it bitch, so they fought and the LS1 beat god and now the LS1 is god because its the greatest thing ever


what I once thought was, is now no more.


LMAO :D :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:





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[to4b35]

OMG!!! I hope you are not stupid enough to really think a D16 civic would be a even race to an SS slo-maro? I don't know if I should laugh or slap your parents. You guys need some help if you think that D16 "pulls pretty hard".

[markzeronine]

at first i though the was going to say he beat the SS...i got scurred...

lol me too

[gotricebih]

If it had been a regular Z28 it probably would have been a good ass race.

the only differences in a z28 and a SS is suspension and the looks. the motor is exactly the same. and a bolt on LS1 is good enough for mid 12s with slicks and a good driver.

[URFUCT]

the only differences in a z28 and a SS is suspension and the looks. the motor is exactly the same. and a bolt on LS1 is good enough for mid 12s with slicks and a good driver.Ya, prolly low 13's without slicks cuz they spin like crazy without slicks. I knew this asshole one time with a Z28 that said he went 12.6@112 with lid/filter, Nitto's, and catback delete :lmao: Fucking jackass!!!! And a SS is just a z28 with suspension and looks...:lol: :lol: :lol: A SS and a Z28 arent even in the same ballpark when it comes to a dragrace....

[gotricebih]

considering my buddys 01 M6 camaro ran a 13.4@106 bone stock, with a 2.3 60'. tell me whats so different about a SS and a Z28...

[GreenLightGo]

Maybe if GM put half as much R&D into headlights, window motors, and what can only be described as "F-body noises" as they did into the LS1 those cars would be a little nicer.

+1

[BlackWind]

OH YEAH???
Well have a friend with a 99 4000 forsepower camaro that ran a 2.16 in the quarter and whats so different about that?
Hes got three turbos and a supercharger monuted in the trunk with 2 nitrous bottles instead of a gas tank...i think hes running 98.1:1 compression with a 889 c.i. motor, how bout that?

[gotricebih]

^your buddies car must be sick as hell

[to4b35]

OH YEAH???
Well have a friend with a 99 4000 forsepower camaro that ran a 2.16 in the quarter and whats so different about that?
Hes got three turbos and a supercharger monuted in the trunk with 2 nitrous bottles instead of a gas tank...i think hes running 98.1:1 compression with a 889 c.i. motor, how bout that?


:lol: I think the screen name Modman should be reserved for your buddy.

[Sneakin Deacon]

the only differences in a z28 and a SS is suspension and the looks. the motor is exactly the same. and a bolt on LS1 is good enough for mid 12s with slicks and a good driver.

bone stock and slicks is mid 12's if not quicker.

boltons and slicks should be low 11's with the right setup.

[gotricebih]

with a stalled auto maybe...

[Evangelion]

You guys are out of your minds. Camaros don't do 12s stock :lol: . Maybe with nitrous and slicks...maybe. Like I said I've driven one before and they are NOT impressive. The one I raced, clearly had alot of mods, and nitrous, if he was able to blow my friends Civic away like that. I don't hate on Camaros, just those that think they're so fast stock. My friend has run bolt ons V8 Camaros before in his D16 hatch, and we were mostly even with them. They are big heavy cars (3500+lbs.). Power to weight my friend.

[bitemark46]

:lol: Kids and their toys.

Wil's sarcasim > all. -Mark

[spoolinspyder]

wow kid just another honda owner that cant stand getting beat... my friend has a SS and stock he was beating a lot of cars u have to remember a camaro also has an extra 4cycl. not including a lot more hp n tq stock then a honda

[Evangelion]

wow kid just another honda owner that cant stand getting beat... my friend has a SS and stock he was beating a lot of cars u have to remember a camaro also has an extra 4cycl. not including a lot more hp n tq stock then a honda

Torque is overrated. It needs torque just to move a heavy car like that. If you look up Car & Drive magazine for 1998, they've tested the Camaro SS at a 14.5@97mph. They are very good drivers, so the average Joe is going to be high 14s like I said.

Let me just ask some of you who own the SS. Are they really THAT fast modded? I've driven a stock one, but I mean common. I'm sure they respond to mods just like any other car. I put a big shot of nitrous on my friends D16 Civic and he's gonna run 11s, so what's the difference.

[ugly86integra]

didnt i read in this thread somewhere back a couple pages that the camaro that you drove was a 6 cyl. and you werent all that impressed? well drive a real SS and then you'll be poop'n your knickers !!! :D
oh, and car and driver takes them right off the showroom floor! no good drag radials, high flow exh., high flow air cleaner, and all the lil stuff like that! ;)

[GTman85]

This thread.....priceless. You will put a big shot on your D16 and itll still run 13's

[spoolinspyder]

wow u show me a page or a link that says a camaro ss runs 14.5 with a good driver i wanna see the link

[bitemark46]

Torque is overrated.



First off, you need to learn a bit more about cars. You do realize that hp is just a calculation that you get FROM torque?

HP- Torque X RPM/5252


In stock form the are low 13 sec cars. Curb weight is ~3500lbs. With bolt-ons, tires, and good driving they are 11 sec cars all day. -Mark

[Evangelion]

Ughhh! You V8 guys just don't get it. There is no f*cking way a Camaro does 12s with bolt ons. I understand torque is very important, yet overrated for the Camaro, because it needs that torque just to move it's fat ass. That's why most Honda's don't have alot of torque because they're light. 160hp in a Civic is more than enough to compete with most V8s on the road, yet most people don't understand this and the power to weight ratio concept. I have run down plenty of cars that I've shouldn't in my '99 Civic Si. A couple of nights ago I ran my other friends 240 with turbo and I pulled him. He said his car put out over 200ft/lbs. of torque, yet I only put out in the 100s. Can you explain this? Torque in heavy cars like these are overrated, because it's necessary to move the damn car.

[spoolinspyder]

omg are u serious a bolt on camaro with just lid n exhaust n tires would run a 12 maybe LTs

[spoolinspyder]

Compare Prices and Read Reviews on 2002 Chevrolet Camaro at Epinions.com (http://www.epinions.com/content_71188385412)

read that a little ways down the paragraph and it says 13.5 now with a lid exhaust n tires it would be 12s your honda needs VTAK with like intake exhaust header a motor swap n like more crap then that to run a 13.5

[BAMF]

:nono:

[spoolinspyder]

lol

[Evangelion]

Compare Prices and Read Reviews on 2002 Chevrolet Camaro at Epinions.com (http://www.epinions.com/content_71188385412)

read that a little ways down the paragraph and it says 13.5 now with a lid exhaust n tires it would be 12s your honda needs VTAK with like intake exhaust header a motor swap n like more crap then that to run a 13.5

No proof here, just some guys stating he thinks his car runs XX.XX time in his review.

[GTman85]

I will run you in a bolt on Z28 LT1 and still pull on you. And i would get beat by a good amount by a free modded SS

[Evangelion]

I will run you in a bolt on Z28 LT1 and still pull on you. And i would get beat by a good amount by a free modded SS

ROFL :lol:, keep dreaming. Bolt ons = driver's race vs. my Civic.

[jtshbslow]

y cant i help but read stuff like this, its great..

[aznkhmerracernza]

WOW. HAHAHA. SS ARE FAST AS SHITS. I'm a honda man. I have a Fully built LS/VTEC into a 2600lbs EJ6 civic. I believe I run anywhere into the High to Mid 12's. I have More mods then your friends hatch and I've personally been ripped a good one by a SS on slicks with little to no mods. Check out streetfire.net for videos. They have Stock SS Camaro's running 13's into the low 12's. Do some more research bro. Your making my Honda Look bad.

[bitemark46]

Ya know I'm thinking he must be pulling our leg cause nobody can be that ignorant.

Have fun modding your civic. When you take a smoke/drink break from working on it, visit some LS1 sites and catch up on domestics. -Mark

[ugly86integra]

:corn: :D :lol:

[gotricebih]

wait a sec... does the honda that raced the SS have VTEC?

[Sneakin Deacon]

with a stalled auto maybe...

6spd cars do it too :)

[canyouheminow]

If you look up Car & Drive magazine for 1998

:lol: That's pretty good.

[Evangelion]

wait a sec... does the honda that raced the SS have VTEC?

Yes, it's a single cam D16Z6 Civic. The VTEC is not really noticable on a D series. My B16 in my Civic is about even with his car due to the power to weight difference, and is quite dramatic when it kicks in. I might be the first Honda owner to not actually like it, but as long as the power is there I'm happy.

[Evangelion]

Just did some research on the Camaro SS on LS1forum.com. I guess they are pretty decent cars. From what I've been reading they can take lots of power and are very reliable. I guess I was mistaken. I still wonder if the one we raced was still bolt ons. I guess you can say I like the motor that's in the Camaro more than the car itself. Just researched some videos and they sound pretty sick with cams, better than my Civic actually. I'm trying really hard to keep my love for my Honda.

[Sneakin Deacon]

no way...a huge single cammed mini me sounds like fuckin sex. kinda makes ya want to go rape some angry midgets.

[Evangelion]

no way...a huge single cammed mini me sounds like fuckin sex. kinda makes ya want to go rape some angry midgets.

lol, your funny. We just beat a turbo 240 tonight in my friend's Civic. You win some you lose some. I'm starting to have more respect for the LS1 now that I'm reading.

[Sneakin Deacon]

bullshit, LS1's suck. they get like 8mpg, and wont hold over 500whp on a stock bottom end.

[Evangelion]

bullshit, LS1's suck. they get like 8mpg, and wont hold over 500whp on a stock bottom end.

Really?

[Sneakin Deacon]

yea. really. gotta buy an LSx block. they are rated to 2500hp.

[Evangelion]

yea. really. gotta buy an LSx block. they are rated to 2500hp.

Will it fit in my friend's Civic?

[gotricebih]

Will it fit in my friend's Civic?

the only thing bad about that engine is that it doesnt have VTEC! :lol:

[Sneakin Deacon]

Will it fit in my friend's Civic?

yes. it will.

[GTman85]

:lol: oh god. Is the word gullable in the dictionary?

[BDIX]

lol@thread

werd..

[Sneakin Deacon]

:lol: oh god. Is the word gullable in the dictionary?

no, but gullible is.

[GTman85]

no, but gullible is.


Fuck you e-thug. Sorry for the "a" and not the "i" Such a hard ass on the computer and so gay in person