tbspyder

[k4rts]

lets continue shall we? wanna do straight up termlab numbers? cuz im not sure how we could judge sound quality lol..let me know.

[the727kid]

K4ts what sub you going with?

[TBSpyder]

I won't do this unless you put up a grand, and I know you're not bs'ing. It wouldn't be worth it to me seeing as how I would have to get a 13w7 and amp to power it. Not to mention a donor vehicle being a soft top Jeep isn't my vehicle of choice when it comes to systems.

[POST]

ill let you use my accord if someone can get it to run properly
:lol:

[TJElite]

This could be interesting...I'm guessing something like a soundsplinter 10, in a Tline...am I close?

Depending on the parameters of the test, and how each setup was done, I could see the W7 getting beat on pure spl. Too many variables.

But, the big variable is the binary one...$1k or no $1k. Me thinks this will never happen...oh well.

Toby

[88RedRex]

im with toby on this one

[TBSpyder]

Depending on the parameters of the test, and how each setup was done, I could see the W7 getting beat on pure spl. Too many variables.



I'm sure it could too. Not by him though. ;)

Remember the guidlines as well, he's has to bring the $349 sub he mentioned in the other thread...

[k4rts]

so your saying you dont think i can put up a good number on the termlab, but someone else could? what makes you think this?

[TBSpyder]

so your saying you dont think i can put up a good number on the termlab, but someone else could? what makes you think this?

I'm saying I have no doubt there are instances where a 10" sub would outperform a 13w7, but I know it would require alot of money and a tad more work than throwing a sub, box, and amp in the trunk of a car. Kind of like you could build a Honda to beat a Viper, but it's not going to happen overnight.


Like Toby said, there are MANY variables. Those variables would be your only advantage. To say what would be a fair competition would be very difficult, but if all variables were someone limited and kept somewhat identical, I think it's tough to argue that the 13w7 (or even 13w6) could lose against a 10 available on the market today. Add SQ into the mix and it even broadens that margin.

[k4rts]

im not saying a w7 is a shitty sub, im just saying there ARE better subs out there for the money and there ARE subs that have a smaller cone area than a 13w7 (10") that could beat the w7 in spl and sq.

[Bumpin Expo]

Are we holding bets on who will bump the loudest?

In that case, does anyone want to go against me? Whats the buy in

[k4rts]

you got two type r's but an excursion image of a magnum. interesting.

[TBSpyder]

Are we holding bets on who will bump the loudest?

In that case, does anyone want to go against me? Whats the buy in

The idea was that a single 10 that costs $349 would stomp a 13w7. You're disqualified. :D

[Notladstyle]

So,

Two setups,

- one with JL 13w7 with an unnamed amp,
- Another setup with an unnamed 10" sub with the same unnamed amp (and apparently with a retail cost of $349)

In the SAME vehicle with the SAME wiring metered on the SAME term lab. I'm assuming with the sub facing the same direction.

The only variables being the box, and the sub. and possibly whether the box is ported.

ill put another $100 cash on top of Johns bet if anyone steps up...

[POST]

So,

Two setups,

- one with JL 13w7 with an unnamed amp,
- Another setup with an unnamed 10" sub with the same unnamed amp (and apparently with a retail cost of $349)

In the SAME vehicle with the SAME wiring metered on the SAME term lab. I'm assuming with the sub facing the same direction.

The only variables being the box, and the sub. and possibly whether the box is ported.

ill put another $100 cash on top of Johns bet if anyone steps up...

Shit, i'm in

[k4rts]

never said same vehicle and same wiring

[the727kid]

K4ts you can use my SAZ1500Ds, .35 FTW? :D for the the sub if i get some of the cut (I'm pretty sure I know what $349 sub it is, if so I bought 2 12" ones loaded yesterday!)

[TJElite]

Loaded huh...either its pizza or FI.

I just got my first shipment of sundown amps...pretty impressive internals. The 1500 mono is rated at 1 ohm, warranted to 0.5 ohms, tested to 0.35 ohms, and strappable. If you get enough voltage, this thing will rock.

Toby

[TJElite]

So,

Two setups,

- one with JL 13w7 with an unnamed amp,
- Another setup with an unnamed 10" sub with the same unnamed amp (and apparently with a retail cost of $349)

In the SAME vehicle with the SAME wiring metered on the SAME term lab. I'm assuming with the sub facing the same direction.

The only variables being the box, and the sub. and possibly whether the box is ported.

ill put another $100 cash on top of Johns bet if anyone steps up...

By same wiring...do you mean same actual wires, or wired into the same ohm load? Either way, be careful...you might lose your $100...there are more than just sealed, and ported boxes.

Toby

[88RedRex]

hay toby that amp looks pretty bad ass, i might have 2 get one from you

[TBSpyder]

If you really want to put sub vs. sub, both boxes would have to be sealed. Otherwise you start taking into account install variables...which weren't necessarilly part of the equation. What was said was that brand x 10" sub could stomp a JL 13w7. Like I said, you could beat a Viper with a Honda...anything is possible. It all boils down to just how much money and time you want to throw at it in order to make it do what you want.

[the727kid]

Loaded huh...either its pizza or FI.

I just got my first shipment of sundown amps...pretty impressive internals. The 1500 mono is rated at 1 ohm, warranted to 0.5 ohms, tested to 0.35 ohms, and strappable. If you get enough voltage, this thing will rock.

Toby

I take it you took my word and got some? They are real nicehuh??:D:D Jacob is a great guy too. I'm waiting on my SAX100.4 which should be here this week. I got 4 runs of 0 gauge and 2 HC2000s and a redtop upfront to power them for now, alt coming eventually lol.

[TJElite]

I had heard about his amps on several boards, so I decided to get some. I bought one of each to try. I'm probably going to put the 4x100 in our Escalade this week. The 1500 will probably get a twin, and go on a couple of SSI 18's in the new shop truck...if I ever get the damn thing finished!! FYI, don't let anyone tell you that an SR20DET is a drop in fit for a Hardbody pickup. Its in, but it wasn't all that easy.

I've got a couple HC2000's as well, but I'm looking at Eagle Picher for the shop truck.

Toby

[the727kid]

I don't know what that is but alright lol. I can't wait till I get my 100.4, I got some POS temp amp running my Germs and the amp barley gets them going (sold my JLs), but they sounded amazing on 150watts, can't wait to hear them on 320 :D.

[Notladstyle]

never said same vehicle and same wiring

:roll: basically what you are saying is that joe rich guy took brand x 10" sub with 1000 hours of labor in it and managed to get it to beat a 13w7 in joe poor guy's car who just threw it in a box and turned it up?

if not then why cant you produce your claim in an identical environment?

And I'll put up the $100 cash I just made installing an alarm tonite on the table. ANY kind of box.

[TJElite]

Like this, but bigger :-)
EaglePicher Horizon: Product Spec (http://www.ephorizon.com/Horizon/Products/Batteries/Product_Spec.htm)

Toby

[the727kid]

:roll: basically what you are saying is that joe rich guy took brand x 10" sub with 1000 hours of labor in it and managed to get it to beat a 13w7 in joe poor guy's car who just threw it in a box and turned it up?

if not then why cant you produce your claim in an identical environment?

And I'll put up the $100 cash I just made installing an alarm tonite on the table. ANY kind of box.

K4ts you need take this up, like I said, you can use my SAZ1500s for some winnings

[k4rts]

you got aim...727kid?

[Bumpin Expo]

you got two type r's but an excursion image of a magnum. interesting.


I recently blew up my magnum so I had to order new subs


http://www.afsupplements.com/expo/DSC00076.JPG

That was my old system, that sub is now a paperweight. I will have pics of the new system saturday which is 2 type R's

EDIT: So much for IMG posting?????

[k4rts]

damn that sucks..blowing a 450 dollar sub lol..howd ya do it?

[Bumpin Expo]

well ive had it since august of 2004 and just playing it so loud for so long the tensels came out of the spider and binded together then it jus smoked til the tensels just finally burned off. I had it off a 1500.1 and ported i always had it bumpin

[the727kid]

Yuh... "the ap kidd" is my AIM

And I have heard those Eagle Pitchers are VERY badass batteries. The dude that benched the Sundown amps used one with a stock alt and with both amps strapped at any ohm only droped down to 12.8

[TBSpyder]

OK, so the fairest, most accurate way I see of doing this is this:

Same TYPE of vehicle (SUV, hatchback, sealed trunk, etc.)
Sealed box (least amount of variables)
Amp of your choice (obviously different subs require different amounts of power)
Wiring of your choice (again, different amps and subs require different wiring)
No sound dampening
Your 10" sub cannot exceed $350 new


This would somewhat even the playing field and put to test the argument of sub vs. sub without taking into account how built other aspects are (which would be theoretically limitless). $1000 cash, and whatever anyone else wants to bet. Toby can hold all money, I trust him.

[k4rts]

OK, so the fairest, most accurate way I see of doing this is this:

Same TYPE of vehicle (SUV, hatchback, sealed trunk, etc.)
Sealed box (least amount of variables)
Amp of your choice (obviously different subs require different amounts of power)
Wiring of your choice (again, different amps and subs require different wiring)
No sound dampening
Your 10" sub cannot exceed $350 new


This would somewhat even the playing field and put to test the argument of sub vs. sub without taking into account how built other aspects are (which would be theoretically limitless). $1000 cash, and whatever anyone else wants to bet. Toby can hold all money, I trust him.

10w7's cost over 400 but i cant exceed 350? lol. and how come no sound deadening? cuz i already have some in my trunk just to control rattles when i have trunk setups.

[the727kid]

K4ts hit me up, I have stuff going in my car that could wait an extra week to go in for a few hunred to me.

[Notladstyle]

OK, so the fairest, most accurate way I see of doing this is this:

Same TYPE of vehicle (SUV, hatchback, sealed trunk, etc.)
Sealed box (least amount of variables)
Amp of your choice (obviously different subs require different amounts of power)
Wiring of your choice (again, different amps and subs require different wiring)
No sound dampening
Your 10" sub cannot exceed $350 new


This would somewhat even the playing field and put to test the argument of sub vs. sub without taking into account how built other aspects are (which would be theoretically limitless). $1000 cash, and whatever anyone else wants to bet. Toby can hold all money, I trust him.

So we are saying you can swap out the wiring(power wiring) and use two different amps? that would probably be outside of subwoofer capability.

But I will still deliver $100 cash on top of the $1k once toby can confirm hes holding 1100 for the opposing side.

[TBSpyder]

10w7's cost over 400 but i cant exceed 350? lol.


You went on and on about how overpriced JL is, so what's your point?



and how come no sound deadening? cuz i already have some in my trunk just to control rattles when i have trunk setups.

Because sound dampening is a variable. Obviously someone with $300 worth of dynamat is going to gain a couple decibels over someone with none. The competition isn't to see who can build the better car...it's to pit sub against sub. We could both build a whole car up, but I don't have the time or desire to put that much effort into something just to prove a point (especially if it's not mine).

[TBSpyder]

So we are saying you can swap out the wiring(power wiring) and use two different amps? that would probably be outside of subwoofer capability.




I don't get it, what do you mean?

[joebobclark]

If the727kid is volunteering his car to k4rts, I'll even the field by volunteering my Cadillac (same as the727kid's) to TBSyder. As long as its for DB only, my mids and highs are "ok" but not much for SQ.....:crack:

[the727kid]

I'm not offering my car, my car is HORRIBLE for TL #s, completly sealed off trunk. I'm just offering some equipment I am going to be using real shortly :).

EDIT: My car has 100sq ft of deadner in it too lol.

[k4rts]

no limit of amplifiers or battery's.

[the727kid]

I say ported boxes, each at 40hz and same internal airspace after correct displacements. I want to see 150!

[tommyk90]

Because sound dampening is a variable. Obviously someone with $300 worth of dynamat is going to gain a couple decibels over someone with none. The competition isn't to see who can build the better car...it's to pit sub against sub. We could both build a whole car up, but I don't have the time or desire to put that much effort into something just to prove a point (especially if it's not mine).

That's actually not 100% true. If you talk to a wide variety of competitors, some will tell you that sound deadening actually HURT their score.

As for the whole sealed box thing, it would appear as though you are trying to give yourself the edge by going on pure cone area (and the additional air displacement that much cone area can provide over a 10" woofer). The W7 is a much better sealed box woofer than the sub your competition is planning on using.

Each person should be able to use the box of their choice. This will require the person to actually put some of their own personal KNOWLEDGE into the competition rather than tossing some prefab sealed box into similar cars.

A similar bet like this went down with a teammate of mine and a member of another competition club in my area. We were at a cruise night just messing around, and the arrogant kid starts bragging about how much louder his setup is than everyone elses. Kid had 4 12's in a blazer extreme and bet my teammate (who had 2 15's in a ford escape) $100 that his setup was louder. After my teammate threw down his $100, the kid backed out.

Then they metered their cars anyways, and my teammate ended up beating his score by 4 dB. ;)

[TBSpyder]

That's actually not 100% true. If you talk to a wide variety of competitors, some will tell you that sound deadening actually HURT their score.

As for the whole sealed box thing, it would appear as though you are trying to give yourself the edge by going on pure cone area (and the additional air displacement that much cone area can provide over a 10" woofer). The W7 is a much better sealed box woofer than the sub your competition is planning on using.

Each person should be able to use the box of their choice. This will require the person to actually put some of their own personal KNOWLEDGE into the competition rather than tossing some prefab sealed box into similar cars.

A similar bet like this went down with a teammate of mine and a member of another competition club in my area. We were at a cruise night just messing around, and the arrogant kid starts bragging about how much louder his setup is than everyone elses. Kid had 4 12's in a blazer extreme and bet my teammate (who had 2 15's in a ford escape) $100 that his setup was louder. After my teammate threw down his $100, the kid backed out.

Then they metered their cars anyways, and my teammate ended up beating his score by 4 dB. ;)



Which is the point. It's not a competition of who can build the better box or has more knowledge. It's sub vs. sub. I have no doubt in my mind that someone could take a cheaper 10" sub, build the vehicle up, throw it in some off the wall super box, pump 5k watts to it, and beat a 13w7 with a mediocore install. Burp it, blow it, and win. The only way to accuratley faceoff two subs is to keep as many variables constant as possible.

I could also take my Jeep, throw a 200 shot of nitrous on it, trade my mud tires in for racing slicks, and beat a stock Mustang GT. Regardless of blowing my engine up.


On a side note, who the heck are you? I see this debate has leached it way over to other boards, so I guess we can expect a trolling insurgence of naysayers now. :roll:

[Notladstyle]

Money talks, and since there will be none from any of hte shit talkers claiming a 10" sub can beat a 13w7 this thread is about as useful as scrappin_ricer's opinions.

[scrapin_honda]

hey john if your such a confident builder,why are you trying to regulate this,you put your jl vs what he brings if he builds something louder than u u lose,its pretty simple.btw daulton,its just like your opinions no one cares.

[the727kid]

I say ported box no bigger than a few cubes, no walls of that garbage.

[TBSpyder]

hey john if your such a confident builder,why are you trying to regulate this,you put your jl vs what he brings if he builds something louder than u u lose,its pretty simple.btw daulton,its just like your opinions no one cares.


Because as I've already stated 8 times previously. We're pitting sub vs. sub. If it were builder vs. builder, there's so many variables that it wouldn't even matter what sub you used. Builder vs. builder would be great, but I definetly do not have the time or money to put into a vehicle that isn't even mine just to prove the already obvious. The only chance a 10 would have is in some special ported enclosure with gobs of power thrown at it...not sure if you guys think this is some secret weapon or something, but what makes you think I couldn't do the same thing with the w7...you really think I'd show up with some prefab sealed box and a 1000w amp if this was the case? Besides the fact, this would be pitting enclosure vs. enclosure. You guys are obviously set on using a ported box because you know it's your only chance in hell.

[the727kid]

Actually I just want to see a 10 break 150 :).

[Notladstyle]

I just want to see john > everyone with this bet.

[TJElite]

Actually I just want to see a 10 break 150 :).

see the new thread I started on this...

Toby

[tommyk90]

Which is the point. It's not a competition of who can build the better box or has more knowledge. It's sub vs. sub. I have no doubt in my mind that someone could take a cheaper 10" sub, build the vehicle up, throw it in some off the wall super box, pump 5k watts to it, and beat a 13w7 with a mediocore install. Burp it, blow it, and win. The only way to accuratley faceoff two subs is to keep as many variables constant as possible.

I could also take my Jeep, throw a 200 shot of nitrous on it, trade my mud tires in for racing slicks, and beat a stock Mustang GT. Regardless of blowing my engine up.


On a side note, who the heck are you? I see this debate has leached it way over to other boards, so I guess we can expect a trolling insurgence of naysayers now. :roll:

Not naysayers, just an observant person.

Why not make the optimum enclosure for each subwoofer? The 13W7 is a much better sealed woofer box than the more SPL-geared woofer that your competition is using, that's what i'm trying to get at.

Why is making a ported box for each woofer no longer a "constant"? You don't need to make some crazy off the wall box for a 10" to make it outperform a more expensive woofer, this has been proven very often.

I know you are trying to make things look "fair", but you keep adding more and more addendums to this competition to make things "fair", and frankly it makes me think (and probably others witnessing this) that you are a little more nervous about this whole competition since it has gathered so much attention.

[Mattism78]

I don't understand what is so hard to comprehend. Sub vs Sub. A sealed enclosure would be the most accurate way to prove the point. Like the man said , if you're using frakenbox the sub vs sub argument is null. I highly doubt this was meant to be the END ALL dicussion of JL vs all. I also have yet to see the other party say he's putting up $1000 that the 10 will win. After all if the confidence is there, why not? Both parties should have something to gain/lose

[tommyk90]

I don't understand what is so hard to comprehend. Sub vs Sub. A sealed enclosure would be the most accurate way to prove the point. Like the man said , if you're using frakenbox the sub vs sub argument is null. I highly doubt this was meant to be the END ALL dicussion of JL vs all. I also have yet to see the other party say he's putting up $1000 that the 10 will win. After all if the confidence is there, why not? Both parties should have something to gain/lose

Why do you say a sealed box is the most accurate way?

If one sub is geared more for a sealed box than another sub, isn't that giving an advantage to that sub?

Why can't both subs use a similar ported box?

It doesn't take a "frankenbox" to make a sub perform to its full capabilities. Most of the time a simple (and properly designed) ported box can produce exceptional performance.

[Got_my_air_on]

why dont yall just stop talking and do it already

[Got_my_air_on]

Even though i dont like TBSpyder im afraid he is going to win this bet

[Notladstyle]

because that brings in skill of box design and fabrication.

a sealed box really doesn't have much to design.

[TBSpyder]

Why do you say a sealed box is the most accurate way?

If one sub is geared more for a sealed box than another sub, isn't that giving an advantage to that sub?

Why can't both subs use a similar ported box?

It doesn't take a "frankenbox" to make a sub perform to its full capabilities. Most of the time a simple (and properly designed) ported box can produce exceptional performance.



You can't build a similar ported box for two different brand/model subs, especially considering their size difference. Ofcourse, even a sealed enclosure isn't going to be a 100% constant in both applications...but it atleast narrows down the variables, such as port design, tuning frequencies, etc. The guy that bet me made it like there's quite a few 10's out there that would "stomp" a 13w7...so I'm sure one of them has to perform halfway decent in a sealed enclosure. I'm not "adding addendums" in any way, I'm trying to make the competition as simple as possible...sub vs. sub, it's not that difficult to understand.

[tommyk90]

You can't build a similar ported box for two different brand/model subs, especially considering their size difference. Ofcourse, even a sealed enclosure isn't going to be a 100% constant in both applications...but it atleast narrows down the variables, such as port design, tuning frequencies, etc. The guy that bet me made it like there's quite a few 10's out there that would "stomp" a 13w7...so I'm sure one of them has to perform halfway decent in a sealed enclosure. I'm not "adding addendums" in any way, I'm trying to make the competition as simple as possible...sub vs. sub, it's not that difficult to understand.

I still think you are giving yourself the advantage because with a sealed application you are relying basically 100% on cone area and excursion capabilities, something the 13W7 will have more of than pretty much any 10" sub out there.

If you really wanted to make this a heads up match, you would pit the subs against each other in their optimum enclosures so that each sub is being used to it's full potential. This can include a ported box for either sub.

Hell, for a $1000 bet, i would make d*mn sure that the sub was in the best possible box it could be in. I sure wouldn't use some half-assed prefab sealed box.

Somehow, I doubt this bet is never going to take place. Why not make it a $50 bet so we will have at least a chance of seeing some results. People get overzealous when it comes to talking about something they think they know more about than someone else, and are insulted when someone with more experience and knowledge steps in and gives their opinion on the matter.

[Notladstyle]

I still think you are giving yourself the advantage because with a sealed application you are relying basically 100% on cone area and excursion capabilities, something the 13W7 will have more of than pretty much any 10" sub out there.


you just declared the winner of this bet - John as his only claim was that no 10" sub would outperform a 13w7 in an identical environment.

//thread

[POST]

you just declared the winner of this bet - John as his only claim was that no 10" sub would outperform a 13w7 in an identical environment.

//thread

i just about posted what you just said, thats all john was saying... You guys are making it 10x more complicated than what he said.

[TBSpyder]

I would never consider a sealed box the "optimum" enclosure for any w7 when talking of a competition based soley on db numbers. I'm quite positive I could pick up atleast 5 dbs. using a ported enclosure of my choice. So we're both at a disadvantage, but atleast the playing field is even. Like I said, this is not a bet empahasizing who can build the better box. I also do not expect either of us to use a prefab sealed box, that would be ridiculous.


My offer still stands, put up or shut up.

[GradeA_TireFryer]

My offer still stands, put up or shut up.


+1

[tommyk90]

you just declared the winner of this bet - John as his only claim was that no 10" sub would outperform a 13w7 in an identical environment.

//thread

i did NOT say that he was going to be the winner, i was simply stating that he's trying to give himself the advantage by having only sealed enclosures allowed.

You can have an identical environment with ported boxes.

[tommyk90]

I would never consider a sealed box the "optimum" enclosure for any w7 when talking of a competition based soley on db numbers. I'm quite positive I could pick up atleast 5 dbs. using a ported enclosure of my choice. So we're both at a disadvantage, but atleast the playing field is even. Like I said, this is not a bet empahasizing who can build the better box. I also do not expect either of us to use a prefab sealed box, that would be ridiculous.


My offer still stands, put up or shut up.

If you are so confident in a 5 dB increase then why WOULDN'T you want ported enclosures? That would increase your margin of victory considerably.

By the way, who is to say that you get to determine what can and cannot be used?

[TBSpyder]

I've already stated why these guidelines should apply, so unless someone comes up with a new question I'm done arguing. It's really not that hard to understand. If the bet was emphasizing builder skill, the subs would have to be identical. This isn't mobile audio build-off 2007.

If the sub he was using was meant soley for a ported box it'd be one thing. But most every sub out there will work in a ported OR sealed enclosure. Any sub will almost always be louder in the correct ported enclosure as well. So find a 10" sub that performs better in a selaed enclosure. Come up with a new excuse.

I determined the guidelines because I made the bet. I feel the freedom to use any amp, any wiring/electrical supply, and control over your own sealed enclosure is enough.

[POST]

If you are so confident in a 5 dB increase then why WOULDN'T you want ported enclosures? That would increase your margin of victory considerably.

By the way, who is to say that you get to determine what can and cannot be used?

why are so so hard-headed?

its almost like your reading his replies, picking and choosing what you want to read and then ignoring what he's actually trying to say!

[the727kid]

I've already stated why these guidelines should apply, so unless someone comes up with a new question I'm done arguing. It's really not that hard to understand. If the bet was emphasizing builder skill, the subs would have to be identical. This isn't mobile audio build-off 2007.

If the sub he was using was meant soley for a ported box it'd be one thing. But most every sub out there will work in a ported OR sealed enclosure. Any sub will almost always be louder in the correct ported enclosure as well. So find a 10" sub that performs better in a selaed enclosure. Come up with a new excuse.

I determined the guidelines because I made the bet. I feel the freedom to use any amp, any wiring/electrical supply, and control over your own sealed enclosure is enough.


Talk to Scott or Shawn personally, the sub isn't for sealed boxes at all, and they don't reccomend it.

[tommyk90]

I've already stated why these guidelines should apply, so unless someone comes up with a new question I'm done arguing. It's really not that hard to understand. If the bet was emphasizing builder skill, the subs would have to be identical. This isn't mobile audio build-off 2007.

If the sub he was using was meant soley for a ported box it'd be one thing. But most every sub out there will work in a ported OR sealed enclosure. Any sub will almost always be louder in the correct ported enclosure as well. So find a 10" sub that performs better in a selaed enclosure. Come up with a new excuse.

I determined the guidelines because I made the bet. I feel the freedom to use any amp, any wiring/electrical supply, and control over your own sealed enclosure is enough.

As already posted, the potential sub your opponent was going to use is not designed for sealed boxes AT ALL. It is not even recommended by the manufacturer for sealed boxes.

[Notladstyle]

lots of talk, no $

[TBSpyder]

lots of talk, no $

Big +1 to that. :blahblah:

[Bumpin Expo]

I got 5 on it

[hasa68mustang]

so you want to take a larger sub that costs more money and put it in something that would put it to more of an advantage that you already have, and bet that it will be louder than a 10" sub that costs less than $350? this sounds like pinks... your crying because you KNOW you would lose if the fully loaded pizza was in a good box. put em in whatever box you can put it in similar cars and boom.

[POST]

so you want to take a larger sub that costs more money and put it in something that would put it to more of an advantage that you already have, and bet that it will be louder than a 10" sub that costs less than $350? this sounds like pinks... your crying because you KNOW you would lose if the fully loaded pizza was in a good box. put em in whatever box you can put it in similar cars and boom.


You guys are 100% retarded.


IMO, this isn't going anywhere, obviously he isn't going to do it, and now a bunch of morons who can't fucking read nor understand logic are coming in here telling you you're crazy.





:lockd:

[ShakinIt]

so you want to take a larger sub that costs more money and put it in something that would put it to more of an advantage that you already have, and bet that it will be louder than a 10" sub that costs less than $350? this sounds like pinks... your crying because you KNOW you would lose if the fully loaded pizza was in a good box. put em in whatever box you can put it in similar cars and boom.

lol

heads up bishes, go heads up!!

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[TBSpyder]

You guys are 100% retarded.


IMO, this isn't going anywhere, obviously he isn't going to do it, and now a bunch of morons who can't fucking read nor understand logic are coming in here telling you you're crazy.





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I agree. If you have $1000 and want to play the game, pm me. Otherwise this is a total waste of my time. Thanks for playing. See you next time. Yet another thread that's been wrung dry of any worth.