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Troux
11-12-2006, 07:18 PM
Thought this would make for an interesting debate. I'm looking for opinions on what the best 4-cylinder motor of all time is. Keep in mind availability, versatility, hp/l, power potential, torque curve, sturdiness, history, etc.

In defense of the Chevy motor, according to the Ariel Atom's build specs, the Ecotec has proven to have a vastly superior torque curve compared to the K20, which is why they started using that motor for their Atom instead.
Also, the 4G63 may include all generations (4, 6, 7 bolt, etc.)

If anyone has any other additions, I'll be glad to add them in if I think they're worthy. I know the H22 and B16 aren't included, as neither was as race-designed as the other Honda motors included.

ThaiRacer
11-12-2006, 07:25 PM
wheres the poll?

2g
11-12-2006, 07:25 PM
90-92 Mitsubishi Eclipse/Eagle Talon/Plymouth Laser pre May 6 bolt 4g63 and 4g63t motor. More towards the 4g63t motor which produces more power of course then the N/A. I've owned both. The 6 bolt 4g63 lasted around 230,000+ miles and 4g63t 201,000 miles. Thats my experience with them. So they are stronge engines and can take a vast amount of abuse.

Troux
11-12-2006, 07:27 PM
wheres the poll?

takes a sec to enter everything, and for some reason it submits the post before teh poll options...

Graves
11-12-2006, 07:53 PM
No love for the Ford 4cyl? They race the hell out of those old Pinto motors in the midgets. Then you can add the turbo 4cyl in the Cossies. Or the 2.5 in the new Focus..... The world isn't F&F you know.


I voted for the Subbie.

Jordan T
11-12-2006, 07:57 PM
no toyota 4ag. too many honda picks.

John
11-12-2006, 07:58 PM
4g63. Very few motors can boast such longevity, robust torque numbers, superior head design and the blocks are well known to be stout.

Jordan T
11-12-2006, 07:59 PM
i picked sr just becuase im a fanboy.

UserName
11-12-2006, 08:04 PM
Im a big fan of the Toyota 3TC engine. Its a 1.8L OHV 4-cyl. Seen them make shitloads of power and good torque. But I can tpick which one is the best.

jlude90
11-12-2006, 08:13 PM
well, since the F20 has the most HP/L of any N/A factory motor, and its in one of the best factory chassis that gets my vote, swap-ability is kinda subjective as you can swap anything, but not like a direct bolt-in, thats what i assume your talking about. type-Ris #3 world record holder for hp/l but i think the L15 from the fit should be mention simply because of the technology of it, and if it were bigger, i think would be a very respectable engine
The Truly Amazing Honda Fit/Jazz (http://asia.vtec.net/Series/FitJazz/lseries/)

efficientkiller
11-12-2006, 08:22 PM
F20C gets my vote, although i think the 4G63 is a very stout motor aswell...

3drwhore
11-12-2006, 08:26 PM
where are the VW motors? :lol:

Orion ZyGarian
11-12-2006, 08:29 PM
4G63 without a doubt. Yeah, there are all sorts of other 4 bangers, but none have the reputation of the 4G63. John Shepard, AMS, APR, and countless other people running the crap out of these little 2.0 engines with insane power, let alone for such a small engine...I'm worried that the Evo X wont have the same potential since it will be so vastly different.... DI, all aluminum, more MIVEC...yeah it'll be badass, but how far will we really be able to mod it and get crazy insane numbers again? I only hope the new turbo Lancer replacement is actually powered by 4G63...Mitsubishi knows the importance of the engine:

MITSUBISHI MOTORS JAPAN (http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/evo/index.html)
Lancer Evolution 4G63 final model Special Contents (http://evo4g63.net/)

YARO
11-12-2006, 08:44 PM
No Doubt the 4g63 gets my vote.

monkey paw
11-12-2006, 10:00 PM
not to start an argument but what does the availability of something have to to with it being the best ever?

What about the BMW M10?

The BMW M10/M12 was an I4 piston engine produced from 1961 to 1987. Displacement ranged from 1499 cm3 to 1990 cm3.
The engine was designed by Baron Alex von Falkenhausen, noted engineer and race driver. He was asked to design a small-displacement (1.3 L) engine, but felt that this would be insufficient for the company's future needs. Therefore, he designed a block that could be expanded to 2.0 L and delivered it at 1.5 L.
The design was very successful, with over 3.5 million produced, and it served the company for over 20 years.
The M10 engine is also one of the most successful engines in racing. Starting with the European Touring Car Championship, it was also used in Formula 2, then the Deutsche Rennsport Meisterschaft, were it was turbocharged by Paul Rosche according to FIA Group 5 rules.
The M10 block went on to Formula 1, winning the 1983 championship for Nelson Piquet and Brabham - something which very few 20 year old road car engine designs accomplish. The same applies for the rise in power, twenty-fold from 75 hp to about 1500 hp.
The BMW S14 engine for the first BMW M3 was based upon the M10 block. In the M3, the M10 is still winning races today.

Or the BMW S14?

The BMW S14 is a 2.3 L (2302cc) DOHC 16-valve I4 piston engine. It was used in the E30 M3. The S14 is essentially a BMW M10 engine block with a M88/S38 DOHC cylinder head (minus two cylinders). It has four separate throttle bodies. It developed 195 PS (143 kW/192 hp), or 200 PS (147 kW/197 hp) without a catalytic converter. A special tuned model, the S14 EVO producing 20 PS more. The 2.3 L version has a 93.4 mm bore and 84mm stroke.
Variations of this engine included a limited-edition 2.5 L (2467 cc) Sport Evo for motorsport homologation requirements, and a de-bored (89 mm) version for the 320is, a more affordable sports model made specifically for the Portuguese and Italian markets. The 320is can be quickly distinguished from the E30 M3 by the absence of flared wheel arches.

people have seen over 400hp n/a

opiumdaze
11-12-2006, 10:14 PM
too many to choose from... i have alot of different views on different motors

???
11-12-2006, 10:29 PM
No love for the Ford 4cyl? They race the hell out of those old Pinto motors in the midgets. Then you can add the turbo 4cyl in the Cossies. Or the 2.5 in the new Focus..... The world isn't F&F you know.





+1 for cars



best 4cyc is in the bike world... the damn things are works of art.

RubberBerner
11-12-2006, 10:57 PM
Well only one of those engines holds the title as the most powerful production 4cyl engine, and that would be the ecotec...not my favorite, but i had to vote for it because it holds the record. SR is fun, 4g63 is a boost whore(love it).

martz0r
11-12-2006, 11:10 PM
Volvo 2.3

Troux
11-12-2006, 11:49 PM
I considered adding the Cosworth, but didn't really know much about it. As far as European engines, they don't seem to stick with the same engine for too long. Even the Cosworth has seen its age. Almost all of the engines I listed are popular engines to build without a swap, or to swap into other cars. The only exception is the Ecotec, which is a brand new engine, already making a hell of a splash in the performance category.
The 1.8T engine so popular in Volkswagens is undoubtedly well-built, but is oftentimes swapped out, and is rarely built to high standards and high performance, as the other options are.
As far as availability being a factor, you could ask Ferrari to build the greatest 4cylinder engine ever, and if they wanted to, they probably could. There would be 10 of them total and they would cost as much as an F430. Instead, look for an engine that is built to be a reliable motor with power potential, and just happens to be designed so that it makes power without relying on a pure race platform, and all while keeping within the company's design budget.
It takes a hell of a well-built engine to make power on a budget, which is the goal of the engineers that made them in the first place.
That's why the Civic is a great tuner car, why the AE86 is a great track car, etc. Cheap budget, priceless design.
Don't think I'm hating on domestics with this debate, but this is the 4 cylinder design we're talking about. The Japanese have RELIED on a straight-4 layout, and have since come to perfect it better than Americans. Same reason you wouldn't see much competition from Japan in the greatest 8 cylinder engine category, even with the JGTC motors having a stout history.

monkey paw
11-13-2006, 12:02 AM
The BMW motors I listed are commonly swapped into other BMWs. The M10 was heavily massed produced and the S14 was produced in large numbers (over 15,000)

Troux
11-13-2006, 12:24 AM
^I would add them as one motor together, but I don't think I can edit the poll choices, thought I could. :( I figured the 4G63 would take this, and undoubtedly so. It went from a crankwalk fiend to a MIVEC monster. Even as a company that had been near its demise, they continued to stick with the same engine for years, and it's certainly come a long way without showing its age.

monkey paw
11-13-2006, 12:34 AM
no worries man, i just wanted to tell people about a pretty sweet motor that doesn't get a lot of recofnition

F4A22
11-13-2006, 06:11 AM
4g63T FTW!!!!!!!

Epstein
11-13-2006, 08:46 AM
What is the 4G63 power record, anyways? Isn't it something like 1200? The SR has done just shy of 1000whp.

I see the ecotec is way at the back of the pack... Anything with aluminum sleeves should not appear on this list.

SkwervE
11-13-2006, 08:46 AM
4g63 > all

robofunc
11-13-2006, 09:49 AM
I've always liked high-strung l-4s, so I like pretty much everything on the list. Aside from the BMW s14, the other big one missing is the motor from Mercedes 190e Evo.

Hard to pick a favorite...

Graves
11-13-2006, 09:52 AM
What is the 4G63 power record, anyways? Isn't it something like 1200? The SR has done just shy of 1000whp.


I saw this motor up in Charlotte. Pretty sweet looking. Got the info from here:

GM - Powertrain - events & activities - Ecotec Racing (http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpowertrain/events/racing/index.htm)


The General Motors Sport Compact Drag Racing Program was kicked off at the 2001 International Auto Salon (IAS) in Long Beach, CA. During IAS, GM identified sport compact drag racing as the highest opportunity to gain awareness in the sport compact market. The first Chevrolet Cavalier and Pontiac Sunfire front-wheel-drive drag race cars were unveiled at the 2001 SEMA show.

In February of 2002, GM Racing made their competitive debut in Palmdale, California. Since then, the GM Racing and their supported teams continue to race their ECOtec-powered Chevy Cobalt race cars to multiple wins and record-setting performances across the country.

GM's Ecotec engines have proven to be a reliable and competitive engine for use in the Sport Compact Drag Racing Series. The Ecotec engine has a sound base engine structure, excellent airflow capability, easy serviceability, compact size and low weight. These qualities, along with the very successful race program, demonstrate the Ecotec is a driving force in the Sport Compact Segment.

Ecotec's outstanding feature to performance enthusiasts is it's impressive strength. GM Racing dynamometer tests confirm that major horsepower gains are possible with minimal modifications.

Generating up to a remarkable 1,450 horsepower from only 4 cylinders, the Ecotec 2.2L powers some of the fastest-accelerating front-wheel drive vehicles ever built. Many of the components used in these race engines are production based. The race effort showcases the potential of the production Ecotec to today's sport compact market. Even at the highest horsepower levels, the engine will still remain over 50% of its stock components.

The current 2.2L version of the Ecotec is available in the following vehicles:

2 Chevy - Cobalt, HHR, Malibu and Cavalier
2 Pontiac - Grand Am, Solstice and Sunfire
2 Saturn - Ion, L-Series, Sky and Vue
2 Opel/Vauxhal - Vectra, Zafira and Speedster.

Jordan T
11-13-2006, 10:20 AM
everyone knows the best 4 banger is a 2J with 2 cylinders cut off.

Ronald Mcdonald
11-13-2006, 10:49 AM
I would definitely have to say 4g63t. That motor is just rediculous.

And for me, coming in at a close second would have to be the SR20DET. How many other motors can you bounce off the rev limiter with barely any modification and it be totally cool with it?

2kSnakeater
11-13-2006, 10:49 AM
so from what I take from this poll is that the Mitsu motor is the best 4 cyl, but its too bad that everything attached to it is garbage, IE the computer that fries every 10k miles.

Mitsu reliability pwns you.

THE_ONE
11-13-2006, 11:13 AM
4G64/4G63 Is the only I4 for me.... If I decided not to build a 4g63 I wouldn'd build a I4 at all. I would go straight to the 2jz or V8.

THE_ONE
11-13-2006, 11:15 AM
so from what I take from this poll is that the Mitsu motor is the best 4 cyl, but its too bad that everything attached to it is garbage, IE the computer that fries every 10k miles.

Mitsu reliability pwns you.
computer that fries :dunno: what you are talking about, must be a 1g jk

PoppaSmurf
11-13-2006, 11:18 AM
so from what I take from this poll is that the Mitsu motor is the best 4 cyl, but its too bad that everything attached to it is garbage, IE the computer that fries every 10k miles.

Mitsu reliability pwns you.

pretty much.....btw, is that your white Trans Am i see on US19 in tarpon all the time?!

btw, about the SR being able to bounce off rev limiter, i've seen a few of them chuck valvetrain parts like madman in stock form after being bounced off the rev limiter too many times, so that is pretty much a crapshoot

Ronald Mcdonald
11-13-2006, 11:40 AM
pretty much.....btw, is that your white Trans Am i see on US19 in tarpon all the time?!

btw, about the SR being able to bounce off rev limiter, i've seen a few of them chuck valvetrain parts like madman in stock form after being bounced off the rev limiter too many times, so that is pretty much a crapshoot

Rocker arm stoppers, or solid lash conversion and of course a basic maintenance and you should be good. Not saying that 100% stock will yield high horsepower, mad tight driftability. Just that when done right, with very few carefully selected modifications, it can be done.

PoppaSmurf
11-13-2006, 12:01 PM
ya...ya failed to mention the fact you had to modify the top end to do that in the first post :lol:

FWIW...i took my last 4G63 7 bolt 2G car to 8300 all day with stock everything and 120k miles and it would laugh at me and ask for more :0

John
11-13-2006, 01:08 PM
so from what I take from this poll is that the Mitsu motor is the best 4 cyl, but its too bad that everything attached to it is garbage, IE the computer that fries every 10k miles.

Mitsu reliability pwns you.

yeah, jeez, its just total luck that my evo now has 40k miles on it and still on the same ecu! Same trans, t case, axles, diffs, and runs in the 12's for less than 800 bucks invested and havent opened the motor. Just luck I tell you. Ignorance FTL!

BOX SENTRA
11-13-2006, 01:21 PM
so from what I take from this poll is that the Mitsu motor is the best 4 cyl, but its too bad that everything attached to it is garbage, IE the computer that fries every 10k miles.

Mitsu reliability pwns you. when people know nothing about them they pull the reliability card

Graves
11-13-2006, 01:26 PM
http://www.cosworth.com/uploads/1144945793450.jpg

jlude90
11-13-2006, 01:44 PM
alternator on bottom of block...what could that be...:D

Ronald Mcdonald
11-13-2006, 01:46 PM
ya...ya failed to mention the fact you had to modify the top end to do that in the first post :lol:


I did state that with "minor modification" though. ;)

2kSnakeater
11-13-2006, 02:13 PM
computer that fries :dunno: what you are talking about, must be a 1g jk


actualy, yes it is the 1g my buddy had a 91 Talon TSi and he couldnt keep the computer from frying, and this was the cleanest 1g I have ever seen!

2kSnakeater
11-13-2006, 02:14 PM
pretty much.....btw, is that your white Trans Am i see on US19 in tarpon all the time?!


If its white with black rims then yes, I am the ONLY white Trans Am with black rims that I have seen on US19

2g
11-13-2006, 05:22 PM
actualy, yes it is the 1g my buddy had a 91 Talon TSi and he couldnt keep the computer from frying, and this was the cleanest 1g I have ever seen!

Not all of them suffer from it. He had an electrical issue causing the ECU to fry. The ecu doesn't just say "hey I'm going to fry myself here" and starts frying itself on its own. I've owned plenty of 1g's and never had this issue. Yes, from time here and there they need the CAPS replaced and so fourth but doesn't have nothing to do with the engine itself and its potential. DSM's whether 1g's or 2g's are prone to break things here or there but when their running... ;)

Nice try with the reliability card... they can be reliable when treated right but with such power its hard to just drive it like a baby. Drive a car as hard as most of us DSM owners do and I bet there will be more "unreliable" cars out there on the market.

Orion ZyGarian
11-13-2006, 06:54 PM
everyone knows the best 4 banger is a 2J with 2 cylinders cut off.

Its funny; you say that, but thats literally what the 3S-GTE is :lol:

Jordan T
11-13-2006, 07:01 PM
Its funny; you say that, but thats literally what the 3S-GTE is :lol:



:-o

DEATH ZEPPELIN
11-13-2006, 07:33 PM
dang, look at whats winning. I thought dsms were slow and pieces of shit.

BOX SENTRA
11-13-2006, 07:36 PM
dang, look at whats winning. I thought dsms were slow and pieces of shit. yep 4g63=unreliable too... no matter what

jlude90
11-13-2006, 07:36 PM
but they're the best at what they do ;)

Orion ZyGarian
11-13-2006, 08:22 PM
yep 4g63=unreliable too... no matter what

Speaking of which, when's the last time something broke on your car? Like over 6 monthes ago? Even though you're running 26 psi and meth?

BOX SENTRA
11-13-2006, 09:28 PM
Speaking of which, when's the last time something broke on your car? Like over 6 monthes ago? Even though you're running 26 psi and meth?
yep, i do at least a full 3rd gear pull down my road every day too:lol:

Tom N
11-13-2006, 09:47 PM
There are several great 4 cylinders out there.
But IMO the 4g63 is the best. Normal people (not factory backed) have put these engines well over 1000 whp.
Any car that makes the power that these can will have durability issues.
How many other 4 bangers have run into the 8`s shifting the factory 5 speed.
The fastest car in Pro Outlaw RWD is a 4g63. Keep in mind this is a class filled with 6 and 8 cylinder cars.
When Shep ran pro street tire. He was surrounded by 2jz`s running power glides and was still very competative with his factory 5 speed.
Not to mention the many championships the 4g63 won in rally.
The whole drive train is just amazing for the things it has accomplished.

BOB
11-13-2006, 09:58 PM
No quad4? Haha.

Silvia
11-13-2006, 10:11 PM
Nissan SR20 FTW... Bandwagon all the way!

Shinmei2006
11-13-2006, 10:47 PM
*cough cough* nissan fj20et.....the coveted I4 god.....

Nissan FJ engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_FJ_engine)

























IMO

dan
11-13-2006, 10:48 PM
4g63 - for obvious reasons stated.

hondas and sr20's make good power, and are reliable. but they each have their shortcomings.

ps - bouncing a car off the rev limiter and not breaking it doesnt make it good, or else every stock single cam honda motor would be on the list (as proved at gandy over the years).

Tom N
11-13-2006, 10:53 PM
My head had stock springs and retainers with 272 cams and I would rev it over 9k with out problems. Not uncommon in the 4g63 world to take stock heads to 9k.


What has the FJ20et done to make it any kind of god.
Never even heard of it.

dan
11-13-2006, 11:00 PM
My head had stock springs and retainers with 272 cams and I would rev it over 9k with out problems. Not uncommon in the 4g63 world to take stock heads to 9k.


What has the FJ20et done to make it any kind of god.
Never even heard of it.

that is a true testament, revving to stock redline and bouncing (as i thought someone else had said) is not. i just dont prefer motors with rockers.

fj20et is some mythical f1 nutsy engine everyone raves about that made good power back in the 80s, is basically 4 cylinder RB i believe. not that great IMO.

jlude90
11-13-2006, 11:06 PM
well then what about the cosworth RS200 motor, wasn't that a 2L 4 cyl?
with 300HP/L

granted, no longevity and no availability or cost-effectiveness but...you get the gist

Neesan
11-13-2006, 11:10 PM
Who the fuck would vote for the 4g63t? You couldnt get power out of that motor even if you boosted it. And even if you could boost it, good luck finding a turbo for cheap that would even work. Bunch of idiots.

Tom N
11-13-2006, 11:13 PM
Looks like the B18 and the SR20 are in a tight race for second.

Orion ZyGarian
11-13-2006, 11:15 PM
over 9k

its OVER NINE-THOUSAAAAND!! http://www.dragonballgt.it/files/gallerie/vegeta/007.jpg



























































I'm not the only YTMND'er here, am I?

Anyways, I edited the Wikipedia entry for the FJ20...all I did was clean up some Engrish garbble. I suggest someone look it over and verify it

Troux
11-13-2006, 11:20 PM
^That was a funny fucking post. Good job. Rep.

BOX SENTRA
11-13-2006, 11:49 PM
My head had stock springs and retainers with 272 cams and I would rev it over 9k with out problems. Not uncommon in the 4g63 world to take stock heads to 9k.


What has the FJ20et done to make it any kind of god.
Never even heard of it.
i want some 272s, argh i dont really rev my car out right now

John
11-14-2006, 01:50 AM
I'd like to add that while the SR20det is a great motor, it suffers from a few shortcomings.

1. The block is sandcast aluminum. While the sleeves are plenty strong, above 550whp even with studs, people are pulling headbolts/studs out of the block. Its a shame. Had they cast their blocks like Honda, no issue.

2. Hydraulic lifters/rocker arms. Both have lots of problems above stock rev limit. If you have rocker arm stoppers, that keeps you from flinging them, but that doesn't stop the lifters from collapsing, nor does it stop the rocker arms from breaking.

These two flaws can be corrected, but of course it's not free. If you took a stock 4g63 and a stock SR20 and aimed for 600whp, you'd inevitably get there cheaper with the 4g63 and with less parts. If not for those two flaw of the SR, it'd be right there with the 4g63

Superkaioken
11-14-2006, 02:08 AM
fuck that.....i dont even own a 240 and i have to say



KA24DE



mother fuckers wont die.....they just wont die

yours did...... and you barely beat on it......

F4A22
11-14-2006, 05:58 AM
Looks like the B18 and the SR20 are in a tight race for second.

:lol: :lol:
The only engine that should be on the list that isnt is the chrysler/dodge 2.4 srt/nitro motor.Never have i seen a stock motor get ragged so much and not even whimper.

Sneakin Deacon
11-14-2006, 06:13 AM
when was there a 4 bolt 4g63?! i think your confusing it for the 6bolt/4bolt AWD cars rear end.


and where is the 5 litre GE 4 banger?!?!?!?!? cmon man seriously. 250hp/390ft lbs.

PoppaSmurf
11-14-2006, 10:57 AM
way too many honda motors IMO in place of other great motors that should have been in its place, such as the toyota 4AG and the air cooled VW Flat 4 from the old school beetle (laugh if you will, but one of those puppies will last you 250k miles minimum if you keep the oil changed), the cosworth motor is great too and it should have been up there, although it doesnt serve much competition for the almighty 4G63 :D

Silvia_San
11-14-2006, 11:36 AM
4AGE/GZE/20V
3SGE/GTE (including BEAMS)

Jordan Y.
11-14-2006, 11:46 AM
I've run my stock 6 bolt 4g63 at a constant 8500 rpm for over a minute going down the road in first gear, just to see what happened, and it was perfectly fine afterward. People have revved 4g63s with HKS 272/272 cams dropped into an otherwise stock valvetrain to 9k without any problems. 4g63s have put down over 600whp on the stock block. Shep and Rau are pushing at least 1200 whp- shep was trapping at 191 the last time out, hopes to hit 195 soon. I'm going to vote for the 4g63.

I am very impressed by what the Ecotec can do, however. And I'm interested in finding out more about the M10- I'm going to have to read up on that engine a bit.

*edit* Oh yeah, and my perfect compression shortblock cost me 100 dollars used. I put the engine together on the cheap with new gaskets, my old stock head and have ragged on it constantly for several years since. I once ran it with no water pump flow for over 10 minutes before I realized what was happening, water was boiling out of the overflow but the darn thing still runs great.

BAMF
11-14-2006, 01:51 PM
The best 4 cylinder engine is half of a 302 block thats been split down the center due to too much power. /thread, ricers.

John
11-14-2006, 02:35 PM
The best 4 cylinder engine is half of a 302 block thats been split down the center due to too much power. /thread, ricers.

:roll:

John
11-14-2006, 02:36 PM
fuck that.....i dont even own a 240 and i have to say

KA24DE

mother fuckers wont die.....they just wont die

mine did

myltwon
11-14-2006, 02:43 PM
I'd say an LT1 cut in half

BAMF
11-14-2006, 02:44 PM
I'd say an LT1 cut in half

Then you could get to the spark plugs without having to move the motor itself! LT1/2 FTW!


(BTW, you stole my idea that I already posted. :( )

myltwon
11-14-2006, 02:57 PM
it'd have to be the back half so we can keep the opti

Sneakin Deacon
11-14-2006, 03:49 PM
...why waste the time to split the block when you can buy a full LT3?

myltwon
11-14-2006, 03:52 PM
cause LT1s have bad juju!!!!

plazma
11-14-2006, 05:31 PM
I guess it just depends on best for what.

For a inexpensive street car i'd vote either 2.3t or sr20det. They both can do alot of impressive thingswithout tons of mod. Seen the 2.3t over 500rwhp on a factory build 100k short block. That one still runs today. The cosworth motor from the rs200 was cranking out 500hp 20 years ago. If they wanted to build an even more powerful motor they could without a problem.

Hell people crack me up hyping the srt4 cars. Like it make 240hp and like 250tq. Yeah mine did 200 and 250 from the factory 18 years ago. Hell the next slated year that they have some specs and pictues of was 280hp dohc in 87.

But back to the nut swinging! go uh hm ok i guess it doesn't matter.

Just so you kids know though extreme nut swinging will cause a nasty rash and hand cramps!

Tom N
11-14-2006, 05:56 PM
4g63 has gone over 600whp on a factory block,head and intake.
How much does it cost to import a sr20det to the states?

Sneakin Deacon
11-14-2006, 07:28 PM
see, were all taking into account dyno numbers here..a B16 with a 285* (@.050, not advertised) duration and spins to 10k is going to have some really nice numbers for an n/a B16..but the power under the curve will be shitty.

we could have this debate for ever...but unless its an engine build off to see who is making the most peak power, then its pretty much pointless. these engines go in cars/trucks. if your 600whp car can outrun the 600whp truck, whats the point in comparing engines?

Sneakin Deacon
11-14-2006, 07:37 PM
btw...the badassed engine 4 banger of all time!??!?!

well, i honestly dont know....but id suspect Sulzer would come damn close...guessing maybe 37,000hp out of it if they pushed the envelope and tried to spin it 4-500rpm

The Most Powerful Diesel Engine in the World (http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/)

John
11-15-2006, 01:11 PM
um, Kenny, that's a 14 cylinder engine.

:lol: it's so funny seeing you guys trying to say "LT1 cut in half" b/c you can't answer the question with a motor that really exists in reality. The Ecotec is a helluva engine but you gm guys cant even give it respect. It's actually kinda funny b/c your answers are so predictable

BAMF
11-15-2006, 01:19 PM
um, Kenny, that's a 14 cylinder engine.

:lol: it's so funny seeing you guys trying to say "LT1 cut in half" b/c you can't answer the question with a motor that really exists in reality. The Ecotec is a helluva engine but you gm guys cant even give it respect. It's actually kinda funny b/c your answers are so predictable

No, see, you're not grasping our way of thinking. We're trying to make a point here. Nobody fucking cares, they all suck. Buy a v8. :mullet:

(Let me knock off your most frequent comebacks before you make them by the way. Anything you can do to your little 4-cylinder, you can do to a v8 and see even larger power gains. Turbo, Nitrous, S/C, etc. Maybe not VTAK, but still...)

THE_ONE
11-15-2006, 01:24 PM
No, see, you're not grasping our way of thinking. We're trying to make a point here. Nobody fucking cares, they all suck. Buy a v8. :mullet:

(Let me knock off your most frequent comebacks before you make them by the way. Anything you can do to your little 4-cylinder, you can do to a v8 and see even larger power gains. Turbo, Nitrous, S/C, etc. Maybe not VTAK, but still...)And will be completely useless on the street without VHT :lol:

BAMF
11-15-2006, 01:26 PM
And will be completely useless on the street without VHT :lol:

Negative. All it'll need is drag suspension and good tires.

myltwon
11-15-2006, 01:31 PM
um, Kenny, that's a 14 cylinder engine.

:lol: it's so funny seeing you guys trying to say "LT1 cut in half" b/c you can't answer the question with a motor that really exists in reality. The Ecotec is a helluva engine but you gm guys cant even give it respect. It's actually kinda funny b/c your answers are so predictable

yes the ecotec is a bad ass 4 cylinder probably the most underestimated 4 cylinder out there simply because it carries a GM badge on it. They have proven increadible results, but 99% of the 4 cylinder crowd refuses to see past the fact that the motor wasn't made in Japan, so they automatically develop a bias against the motor.

but yeah as far as the topic goes I didn't post a serious answer because I honestly don't care about the topic.

myltwon
11-15-2006, 01:33 PM
And will be completely useless on the street without VHT :lol:

wouldn't neccesarily say that I haven't lost to alot of AWD cars from a dig

not saying I can beat any AWD car, but I'd hardly say my car is useless

John
11-15-2006, 01:34 PM
so why bother posting? You post dribble because you have nothing intelligent to post?

myltwon
11-15-2006, 01:35 PM
cause I'm an asshole

John
11-15-2006, 01:36 PM
No, see, you're not grasping our way of thinking. We're trying to make a point here. Nobody fucking cares, they all suck. Buy a v8. :mullet:

(Let me knock off your most frequent comebacks before you make them by the way. Anything you can do to your little 4-cylinder, you can do to a v8 and see even larger power gains. Turbo, Nitrous, S/C, etc. Maybe not VTAK, but still...)

I did buy a V8. The gas pedal broke, the power seat broke, it wheel hopped like crazy, it would stall randomly, and it got 12mpg - on a good day. All the while being slower than my Mitsu. Hence why I got rid of it

myltwon
11-15-2006, 01:37 PM
I did buy a V8. The gas pedal broke, the power seat broke, it wheel hopped like crazy, it would stall randomly, and it got 12mpg - on a good day. All the while being slower than my Mitsu. Hence why I got rid of it

you bought a Ford that HAPPENED to have a v8 in it

I got a mid 11 second v8 that gets 19-20mpg around the city through an automatic with a big convertor on a rich stock tune

John
11-15-2006, 01:48 PM
you bought a Ford that HAPPENED to have a v8 in it

I got a mid 11 second v8 that gets 19-20mpg around the city through an automatic with a big convertor on a rich stock tune

congrats. It's also ugly. What is your point?

I'm Slow
11-15-2006, 01:51 PM
no doubt- 4g63

jlude90
11-15-2006, 02:04 PM
i'm wondering why the type-r is winning over the F20

BAMF
11-15-2006, 02:11 PM
congrats. It's also ugly. What is your point?

I think his Firebird looks much beter than your plastic-interior Evo, personally. Not trying to make a personal attack, but your car truly looks like a grocery getter on steroids. Theres no comparison between it and a Firebird. By the way, Mitsubishi makes the Eclipse, people in glass houses should not throw stones.

2kSnakeater
11-15-2006, 02:16 PM
Vip I owe you a beer or something, and Vtac in this bad boy would pwn:

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/rta96c_crank.jpg

ARP STUDS MY ASS!!

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/rta96c_cyldeck.jpg

THE_ONE
11-15-2006, 02:17 PM
I think his Firebird looks much beter than your plastic-interior Evo, personally. Not trying to make a personal attack, but your car truly looks like a grocery getter on steroids. Theres no comparison between it and a Firebird. By the way, Mitsubishi makes the Eclipse, people in glass houses should not throw stones.Sir you have defenatly and most positively lost your damn mind. Puff puff give foo

2kSnakeater
11-15-2006, 02:19 PM
I know its a shock to most of your Import os better than my mom guys but, Evos do have plastic in their interior. As do 99% of cars built right now. I know, I know, It is shocking but you may want to sit down and think about it.

jlude90
11-15-2006, 02:24 PM
lay off my pleather, but isn't this thread about engines?

2kSnakeater
11-15-2006, 02:25 PM
Dont preludes have the best engine ever made by the hand of man?

myltwon
11-15-2006, 02:28 PM
congrats. It's also ugly. What is your point?

I see when you're overcome by facts you resort to subjective and opinionated remarks. personally I think my car looks much better than your glorified lancer, but you know what that is? an opinion.

sorry didn't mean to act serious in this thread and post factual information, obviously this offended you deeply and I will no longer post in this particular thread

BAMF
11-15-2006, 02:29 PM
Sir you have defenatly and most positively lost your damn mind. Puff puff give foo

Oh lord, an Eclipse owner here to save the day and brag about how reliable their car is? Thats like Cheney trying to argue that he should be allowed to hunt again...you can say and think whatever you like but the entire world is laughing at you for it.

How long until you rip your car apart to put it in the new setup thats going to run your fastest by the way? I forget the timeline yuo told me of everythign you're doing.

myltwon
11-15-2006, 02:33 PM
sorry I know I said I'd stop but this has to be said

last sunday I saw 3 imports break and no domestics break, 2 towed home one limped home. 2 of them were '05+ and one had rod knock

I heart my high mileage nitrous whore pos domestic

Hondaman7000
11-15-2006, 02:34 PM
big fan of the EJ 2.5 have ownd rs and motor and sus setup is raw Im suprised more of yall boys dont know bout it OFF THE HOOK hands down FAV

robofunc
11-15-2006, 02:46 PM
V8s are nice and all, but there's nothing wrong with 4-banger.

And fuck drag racing.

myltwon
11-15-2006, 02:49 PM
V8s are nice and all, but there's nothing wrong with 4-banger.

And fuck drag racing.

oh I'm not trying to turn this into a v8 vs 4 cylinder thread, just responding to someone labeling v8s as shitty gas mileage and problematic

BAMF
11-15-2006, 02:51 PM
^ + 1. I just wanted to crack a joke and then people started spouting off stuff and I just had to roll with it. sometimes I wish I coudl trade my V6 Buick in for a nice 4-banger...but unfortuatly any 4-abnget with decent gas mileage couldn't haul around a full sized luxury car... :(

TOBYOTA
11-15-2006, 02:54 PM
13b Mazda No Question. There Isnt A 4 Cylinder Piston Engine On Earth That Will Run With It From Factory.

THE_ONE
11-15-2006, 02:55 PM
Oh lord, an Eclipse owner here to save the day and brag about how reliable their car is? Thats like Cheney trying to argue that he should be allowed to hunt again...you can say and think whatever you like but the entire world is laughing at you for it.

How long until you rip your car apart to put it in the new setup thats going to run your fastest by the way? I forget the timeline yuo told me of everything you're doing.Don't hate because I have the option to change my set up as many times as I want. Don't hate that you still drive around in old busted ass cars...What yr is your rustang, and is it running, I don't think so, I remember calling you out and you shut up...so do yourself the same favor in this thread :) And not saying I'm better than anyone else but I seem to like nice things and my choice of cars is obviously better than yours.

Also I have decided to exit this scene and buy a new car, like John with plastic in the interior :lol: Its nice to have a newer fast car with a warrenty... Hell my project car was a 99, what yr is yours ;)

As far as the entire world laughing at me, don't say that I don't think your girl is that big....calling her the world is a little much dont you think.. lol

What I do with my car is for me, not for anyone else, those who build cars to impress others are nothing but entertainment and clowns...Which are you ;)
So laugh on, it means nothing to me :)

BAMF
11-15-2006, 03:05 PM
Don't hate because I have the option to change my set up as many times as I want. Don't hate that you still drive around in old busted ass cars...What yr is your rustang, and is it running, I don't thimk so, I remember calling you out and you shut up...so do yourself the same favor in this thread :)

Also I have decided to exit this scene and buy a new car, like John with plastic in the interior :lol: Its nice to have a newer fast car with a warrenty... Hell my project car was a 99, what yr is yours ;)

As far as the entire world laughing at me, don't say that I don't think your girl is that big....calling her the world is a little much dont you think.. lol

What I do with my car is for me, not for anyone else those who build cars to impress others are nothing but entertainment and clowns...Which are you ;)
So laugh on, it means nothing to me :)

First of you didn't call me out. you called my brothers pickup truck out, and you would've had your ass handed to you by it.

So then, you're just another punk ass skreet racer who has something soooo bad thats gonna wa everyone in the works, and never goes through with it? :lol: Get a life.

My project car could've been a 2005 Mustang if I had wanted. I have almost no debt every month and as a result more of a surplus than most people. Did it ever cross your mind that *GASP* I built a Foxbody Mustang by CHOICE?

Also, Your new car isn't going to be 'fast'. NEWSFLASH! 13s are not fast. By the time you make it 'fast' you'll have either voided the warranty or spent like $40,000 at the dealer having options put on it. I'm really sorry to hear that you abandoned your project, I guess you'll simply never have anything fast, will you?

myltwon
11-15-2006, 03:12 PM
foxbody mustangs are a great platform to build on, lightweight RWD

2kSnakeater
11-15-2006, 03:21 PM
and the LS1 can be put into them very cheaply!

BAMF
11-15-2006, 03:23 PM
and the LS1 can be put into them very cheaply!

Yeah, those are always cool to see. I think the irony of a GM in a Ford is great stuff. I'm ure that + turbo = Zoom Zoom

THE_ONE
11-15-2006, 03:33 PM
First of you didn't call me out. you called my brothers pickup truck out, and you would've had your ass handed to you by it. HA HA HA, Your an idiot, do you really want me to dig up the thread where I asked you to run...:nono: Your brother couldn't beat a stock Eclipse with an upgraded turbo. To bad the Eclipse was tractionless from a dig O'well. If you want to see the vid of me racing the same Eclipse he lost to from a roll let me know....


So then, you're just another punk ass skreet racer who has something soooo bad thats gonna wa everyone in the works, and never goes through with it? :lol: Get a life. Ha ha , your the one bench racing, I challenged you and you shut up, so you get a life. Skreet racer, your a moron, I never had to wax everyone, just slow asshats like yourself that talk talk talk, but still nothing worth listening to ever comes out :rolleyes:


My project car could've been a 2005 Mustang if I had wanted. I have almost no debt every month and as a result more of a surplus than most people. Did it ever cross your mind that *GASP* I built a Foxbody Mustang by CHOICE?ha ha ha, sounds like a punk ass skreet racer.. shoulda woulda coulda here come the excuses..I had a 99 and no dept every month ;) You could have built a 2005 :lmao: I'm not even going to touch that one :lol: I will be working on a 2006 soon and having fun in my new car, either that or assemble the hatch we will see, I have the option to change my mind as many times as I feel ;)


Also, Your new car isn't going to be 'fast'. NEWSFLASH! 13s are not fast. By the time you make it 'fast' you'll have either voided the warranty or spent like $40,000 at the dealer having options put on it. I'm really sorry to hear that you abandoned your project, I guess you'll simply never have anything fast, will you?Wow I guess CBRTRX is running imaginary 11's in a stock Evo with a reflash and 80shot, you sir are a moron and should learn your facts before speaking, that way you will speak more intellegently. He spent under $300 for your info and runs faster than anything you probably have... I guess If I will never have anything fast and I offered to run you and you shut up, what does that say about you or anything you will ever own. :dunno: Sorry but you make no sense and your easily out witted, would you like to take this to pm's or get this post locked......balls in your court :)

Graves
11-15-2006, 03:37 PM
You seem to put all of the foreign cars performance minded cars up there. Put those up against say the Cosworth turbo 4cyl or even the new Focus ST motor (ok it's a 5cyl from a Volvo). Europe has the best 4 cyl in my eyes. American are still into displacement and the Japs like fuel economy.

Also there's only two motors in the poll that have even been used in racing, not GIS or such (correct me if I am wrong).

myltwon
11-15-2006, 03:37 PM
HA HA HA, Your an idiot, do you really want me to dig up the thread where I asked you to run...:nono: Your brother couldn't beat a stock Eclipse with an upgraded turbo. To bad the Eclipse was tractionless from a dig O'well. If you want to see the vid of my racing the same Eclipse he lost from a roll let me know....

Ha ha , your the one bench racing, I challenged you and you shut up, so you get a life. Skreet racer, your a moron, I never had to wax everyone, just slow asshats like yourself that talk talk talk, but still nothing worth listening to ever comes out :rolleyes:

ha ha ha, sounds like a punk ass skreet racer.. shoulda woulda coulda here come the excuses..I had a 99 and no dept every month ;) You could have built a 2005 :lmao: I'm not even going to touch that one :lol: I will be working on a 2006 soon and having fun in my new car, either that or assemble the hatch we will see, I have the option to change my mind as many times as I feel ;)

Wow I guess CBRTRX is running imaginary 11's in a stock Evo with a reflash and 80shot, you sir are a moron and should learn your facts before speaking, that way you will speak more intellegently. He spent under $300 for your info and runs faster than anything you probably have... I guess If I will never have anything fast and I offered to run you and you shut up, what does that say about you or anything you will ever own. :dunno: Sorry but you make no sense and your easily out witted, would you like to take this to pm's or get this post locked......balls in your court :)

I'm guessing the eclipse is dario...we ran...it was fun

as for CBRTRX's mods...it's not my car so it's not my place to talk about what it does and doesn't have done

myltwon
11-15-2006, 03:46 PM
I wonder if julian will ever get our vid up :(

accord95
11-15-2006, 03:56 PM
Also there's only two motors in the poll that have even been used in racing, not GIS or such (correct me if I am wrong).

what type of racing are you talking about? most of them have been used in professional drag racing, and most have also been used in professional curcuit racing in japan, almost all of them.

MadCatz
11-15-2006, 04:01 PM
One....

John
11-15-2006, 04:06 PM
I think his Firebird looks much beter than your plastic-interior Evo, personally.

You're right. Jeez, I mean who would want to be stuck with suede lined Recaro seats, Momo steering wheel, and a touchscreen gps Navi head unit?

http://features.evolutionm.net/admin/imageview.php?image=1240

Sure, who wants plastic when you can have pleather seating, fisher price my-first-car sized interior knobs, and a back seat thats usable for .... oh wait its not.

http://www.iroczone.com/Carlisle2006/field_094.JPG

Yeah, you're right, I shoulda gone pleather :lol:

So anyway, I've changed my mind, my Evo is for sale. I'm gonna go buy a new Trans Am ... oh fuck they don't make those anymore. :lol: wonder why?

MadCatz
11-15-2006, 04:11 PM
Two.....

BAMF
11-15-2006, 04:13 PM
You're right. Jeez, I mean who would want to be stuck with suede lined Recaro seats, Momo steering wheel, and a touchscreen gps Navi head unit?

http://features.evolutionm.net/admin/imageview.php?image=1240

Sure, who wants plastic when you can have pleather seating, fisher price my-first-car sized interior knobs, and a back seat thats usable for .... oh wait its not.

http://www.iroczone.com/Carlisle2006/field_094.JPG

Yeah, you're right, I shoulda gone pleather :lol:

So anyway, I've changed my mind, my Evo is for sale. I'm gonna go buy a new Trans Am ... oh fuck they don't make those anymore. :lol: wonder why?

They took a break. They're coming back. And are you comparing a late 90s cheeze interior with a brand new interior? Why don't you post up some pics of the NEW Evo interior (which looks cheap no matter how you slice it, homeslice. Momo steering wheel and all) and I'll find some pics of other new cars' interior...Maybe even the WRX STi - MUCH nicer.

2kSnakeater
11-15-2006, 04:15 PM
http://www.iroczone.com/Carlisle2006/field_094.JPG


Thats a 98+ Interior in a 70s Camaro! try that with your evo junk!

jlude90
11-15-2006, 04:15 PM
i think homeslice is a very underused word

Tom N
11-15-2006, 04:15 PM
Did I just here a GM guy complaiing about someone elses interior.
Now thats comedy.:lol:

BAMF
11-15-2006, 04:18 PM
Did I just here a GM guy complaiing about someone elses interior.
Now thats comedy.:lol:

My Buick's interior actually looks pretty nice. I don't like leather or pleather, I have a nice comfy soft fabric. People on X must love rubbing up against this stuff. :crack: But its not sporty, no way no way is it sporty.

If you want to start on GM, why don't we compare your Evo to...
http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2005/0501_445+2006_Chevrolet_Corvette_Z06+Interior_View _Steering_Wheel.jpg

BAM! Game over, dirtbag!

MadCatz
11-15-2006, 04:21 PM
Down with a two count vip90210 counterpunches. Vette's are sweet.

dan
11-15-2006, 04:26 PM
Thats a 98+ Interior in a 70s Camaro! try that with your evo junk!

well thats feasible when you hardly change the car over 30 years. oh wait hondas did that too and everything interchanges, fuck there goes that argument :D oh and you can apparently put 99-04 mustang interior into a foxbody too :S

that is pretty neat though, 70's interiors were, well, definitely 70's. but if u want, im sure someone can produce pictures of 1995-1998 lancers/mirages (yes the $12k slow buckets), and their interior/fit and finish is on par with domestic stuff.

but i thought we were talking about 4 cylinder engines.....

dan
11-15-2006, 04:28 PM
My Buick's interior actually looks pretty nice. I don't like leather or pleather, I have a nice comfy soft fabric. People on X must love rubbing up against this stuff. :crack: But its not sporty, no way no way is it sporty.

If you want to start on GM, why don't we compare your Evo to...
http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2005/0501_445+2006_Chevrolet_Corvette_Z06+Interior_View _Steering_Wheel.jpg

BAM! Game over, dirtbag!

so it took them, what, 8 years to upgrade from using the same steering wheel as the cavalier? :crack: but yes that is badass. props to GM for coming to teh 21st century.

BAMF
11-15-2006, 04:29 PM
well thats feasible when you hardly change the car over 30 years. oh wait hondas did that too and everything interchanges, fuck there goes that argument :D oh and you can apparently put 99-04 mustang interior into a foxbody too :S

that is pretty neat though, 70's interiors were, well, definitely 70's. but if u want, im sure someone can produce pictures of 1995-1998 lancers/mirages (yes the $12k slow buckets), and their interior/fit and finish is on par with domestic stuff.

but i thought we were talking about 4 cylinder engines.....


You can only say half as much about 4-cyls as you can about 8-cyls. Accordingly, the conversation has digressed. Personally I think the Lancer/Mirage interior always looked like econobucket stuff. Now it looks like sporty econobucket stuff.

THE_ONE
11-15-2006, 04:29 PM
Thread just exscaped in a western direction, which is far far far away from on Topic :squint:

John
11-15-2006, 04:29 PM
are you comparing a late 90s cheeze interior with a brand new interior?

I'm not, you are. I'll take plastic and suede over pleather and cheap plastic anyday. You made the comparison, I merely pointed out which one is obviously nicer - to me.


Why don't you post up some pics of the NEW Evo interior (which looks cheap no matter how you slice it, homeslice. Momo steering wheel and all) and I'll find some pics of other new cars' interior...Maybe even the WRX STi - MUCH nicer.

I don't own a NEW Evo. In fact, nobody does yet. So, yeah, let's compare it even though officially it doesn't exist. Even better, let's compare it to a Corvette which costs lots more and has rear bumpers you can't even lean on. Matter of fact, let's just bring all the cars you don't own and I don't own and pick them apart, it'll be fun

THE_ONE
11-15-2006, 04:35 PM
I'm not, you are. I'll take plastic and suede over pleather and cheap plastic anyday. You made the comparison, I merely pointed out which one is obviously nicer - to me.



I don't own a NEW Evo. In fact, nobody does yet. So, yeah, let's compare it even though officially it doesn't exist. Even better, let's compare it to a Corvette which costs lots more and has rear bumpers you can't even lean on. Matter of fact, let's just bring all the cars you don't own and I don't own and pick them apart, it'll be fun
:overkill: ha ha :thumbup: Now can we get back on Topic people, this isn't domestic vs import or who's interior is better. I still vote for 4g63 as best 4banger

BAMF
11-15-2006, 04:37 PM
I'm not, you are. I'll take plastic and suede over pleather and cheap plastic anyday. You made the comparison, I merely pointed out which one is obviously nicer - to me.



I don't own a NEW Evo. In fact, nobody does yet. So, yeah, let's compare it even though officially it doesn't exist. Even better, let's compare it to a Corvette which costs lots more and has rear bumpers you can't even lean on. Matter of fact, let's just bring all the cars you don't own and I don't own and pick them apart, it'll be fun

Okay, time to end this using the most classic comparison ever:

2003 Mitsu Lancer Evo
http://www.carnuttv.com/images/roadtest_images/2003_mitsu_evolution_interior_2.jpg

2003 Subaru WRX STi
http://articles.motortoday.com/testdrive/STI03/STI03_interior.jpg

jlude90
11-15-2006, 04:41 PM
i still don't know why people are sayin the Type-r engine is better then the S2000 engine

Street Surgeon
11-15-2006, 04:41 PM
When did I stumble in to tampainteriors.com?

EDIT>>> 4G63 > Whatever else is on that list. :)

John
11-15-2006, 04:45 PM
Sit in those STi seats then sit in the Evo's. I've had STi people offer to buy my Recaros. Thats all I'm gonna say on that.

2kSnakeater
11-15-2006, 04:52 PM
wait a minute, you think this:
http://www.carnuttv.com/images/roadtest_images/2003_mitsu_evolution_interior_2.jpg
Is better than my F-bodies interior? buahahahahaha, fucking tool. Nice 1980s clock and radio!

BAMF
11-15-2006, 04:56 PM
^ Gotta agree with that. And not all F-Bodies have pleather. Their fabric feels better than the Evos in my opinon.

Edit: Holy god, look at those door locks and handles! They look more econobox than my mom's '02 Corolla! :lol:

MadCatz
11-15-2006, 04:58 PM
Vip90210 The One/half
VS

2ksneakereater John-e/bravo

jlude90
11-15-2006, 05:11 PM
do you post anything not bullshit?

Jordan Y.
11-15-2006, 05:19 PM
The Sti definitely has a nicer interior than the Evo, except maybe in long-duration seat comfort. I haven't sat in either long enough to know that. I don't see how that is a victory for domestic guys. They're both still nicer than the domestic car interiors you guys are comparing them to. At least domestic car companies have been stepping up interior quality in the last two to three years. Besides, you want a real quality interior? Go buy a damn Audi, those interiors are put together ten times better than anything from America or Japan.

In conclusion, this thread has gone entirely off topic and should be locked. Or we should start talking about four cylinder engines again instead of interiors and other worthless crap.

accord95
11-15-2006, 05:19 PM
You can only say half as much about 4-cyls as you can about 8-cyls. Accordingly, the conversation has digressed. Personally I think the Lancer/Mirage interior always looked like econobucket stuff. Now it looks like sporty econobucket stuff.

firebirds and transams have econobucket interiors as well. i have a friend who owns a pontiac sunfire(cavy) and also owns a WS6 trans-am, both have identicle dash. and hes always complaining about how cheap the interior is and how it shakes and rattles.

JonLGT
11-15-2006, 05:25 PM
Sit in those STi seats then sit in the Evo's. I've had STi people offer to buy my Recaros. Thats all I'm gonna say on that.

Your right, the seats from an Evo are far more comfortable and supportive than those of an STI, but it takes more than seats to make a nice interior.

4G > anything on that list... but how did a 2.2 ecotek even make it on the poll?

Ronald Mcdonald
11-15-2006, 05:32 PM
This thread has seriously gone to the shitter.


Back on topic: 4G63 is in my opinion one of the best, but I was thinking about this last night, and some of the Honda single cam engines can take a beating like no others. And they don't mind boost/nitrous and definitely don't mind taking a beating.

accord95
11-15-2006, 05:42 PM
4G > anything on that list... but how did a 2.2 ecotek even make it on the poll?

there are some very fast ecotek's out there. i read somewhere they hold up very well to boost. wasnt there a dude running 11's in a ecotek cavy at trackday?

monkey paw
11-15-2006, 06:00 PM
i still don't know why people are sayin the Type-r engine is better then the S2000 engine

becuase it goes in rwd cars, duh. :lol: ;)

DEATH ZEPPELIN
11-15-2006, 06:03 PM
how did this turn into arguing about interiors? no one i know bought an evo for its interior, they even have a model with none of that shit in there for that reason.

jlude90
11-15-2006, 06:03 PM
OOO thats right, rwd+honda=bad

BOX SENTRA
11-15-2006, 06:59 PM
http://www.iroczone.com/Carlisle2006/field_094.JPG WOA CHEAP PLASTIC!!!

DEATH ZEPPELIN
11-15-2006, 07:00 PM
shouldve posted an auto, with the same shift knob since the 80s.

BOX SENTRA
11-15-2006, 07:09 PM
im lovin that horse cock ebrake though, oh yea all eclipses are unreliable and crankwalk.

DEATH ZEPPELIN
11-15-2006, 07:10 PM
1gs did have a big ole donkey dick of a shift knob though too :lol:

BAMF
11-15-2006, 07:11 PM
im lovin that horse cock ebrake though, oh yea all eclipses are unreliable and crankwalk.

And their door handles fall off. Don't forget about that. God I love that one.

2g
11-15-2006, 07:12 PM
So people are making fun of the Evo's interior yet the Evo has a powerplant that it doesn't matter what interior it has. This thread is about the best "4 cyl" engine produced not the best interior. The engine produces more power with less cylinders then any v6 or v8 thats out there and its still streetable with the amount of power you can squeeze out of the engine and can still be daily driven. The car was made towards performance. Obviously, AMS proves that time and time again. Maybe some of you need to drop the Hot Rod mags and research some more information on the Evo's because from 2003 till now they have changed a few things over the years.

BOX SENTRA
11-15-2006, 07:16 PM
1gs did have a big ole donkey dick of a shift knob though too http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/../tamparacing/smiles/laugh.gif YEA YEA YEA that was over 11 years ago! oh ya



http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/6724/gmstyling3oq.jpg :lol:

BOX SENTRA
11-15-2006, 07:17 PM
as for the doorhandles, thats one thing ive never had a problem with...

2g
11-15-2006, 07:19 PM
Since you said that now you will lol. I haven't had my car for a year and already replaced both of mine.

BOX SENTRA
11-15-2006, 07:20 PM
Since you said that now you will lol. I haven't had my car for a year and already replaced both of mine.
psst, 95s are better thats why :p

2g
11-15-2006, 07:22 PM
lol I know... I just don't like it when they smile at me.

BAMF
11-15-2006, 07:25 PM
So people are making fun of the Evo's interior yet the Evo has a powerplant that it doesn't matter what interior it has. This thread is about the best "4 cyl" engine produced not the best interior. The engine produces more power with less cylinders then any v6 or v8 thats out there and its still streetable with the amount of power you can squeeze out of the engine and can still be daily driven. The car was made towards performance. Obviously, AMS proves that time and time again. Maybe some of you need to drop the Hot Rod mags and research some more information on the Evo's because from 2003 till now they have changed a few things over the years.

So, you're not saying it produces more power than any V6 or V8 our there unless you're on crack. You mean more 'power per cylinder'? Thats the oldest arguement in the book. Every cylinder over 1 you run gives you merginally less gains per additional cylinder. Get how that works? So sure, 4-cyls are more 'efficent' than 8-cyls. A 2-cyl is more efficent than a 4-cyl. Whats your point?

BTW, turbo V8 > turbo I4. ;)

But v8 vs. I4 aside...I'm not very impressed by the Evo's powerplant. It runs like 20 lbs of boost to get what power it makes? I'm sorry but on a turbo car I just think you could do a lot better...

DEATH ZEPPELIN
11-15-2006, 07:31 PM
yeah being able to boost 20+lbs and have over 400hp sucks.

2g
11-15-2006, 07:43 PM
So, you're not saying it produces more power than any V6 or V8 our there unless you're on crack. You mean more 'power per cylinder'? Thats the oldest arguement in the book. Every cylinder over 1 you run gives you merginally less gains per additional cylinder. Get how that works? So sure, 4-cyls are more 'efficent' than 8-cyls. A 2-cyl is more efficent than a 4-cyl. Whats your point?

BTW, turbo V8 > turbo I4. ;)

But v8 vs. I4 aside...I'm not very impressed by the Evo's powerplant. It runs like 20 lbs of boost to get what power it makes? I'm sorry but on a turbo car I just think you could do a lot better...

How many turbo cars from the factory can just hold 20lbs of boost with no upgrades? You don't get my point because you analyzed farther then existence and what you stated is not what I meant. Re-read.

BTW, were talking about 4g63t's as a whole. Not just the Evo.

BOX SENTRA
11-15-2006, 07:48 PM
cmon now, brent rau only ran a high 6 on a 4 cylinder

2g
11-15-2006, 07:49 PM
John Sheperd ran ________
on what engine __________

Tom N
11-15-2006, 07:51 PM
John Sheperd ran __7.70______
on what engine ___4g63_______



And he doesnt need a automatic to do it.

2g
11-15-2006, 07:52 PM
Good point Tom thanks for filling in the blanks.

2g
11-15-2006, 08:03 PM
Whats the latest record on the AMS Evo?

John
11-15-2006, 08:06 PM
I'm not very impressed by the Evo's powerplant. It runs like 20 lbs of boost to get what power it makes? I'm sorry but on a turbo car I just think you could do a lot better...

286hp at 19psi actually. This is with boost tapering, which is easily fixed by either reflashing the ecu or by adding a simple manual boost controller. Its good for about 25-30hp just doing that, not even raising the boost. It's heavily detuned on the top end from the factory. So, say it wasn't detuned, it would make around 310-315hp.

What 4 cylinder ARE you impressed with? :lol:

Orion ZyGarian
11-15-2006, 08:09 PM
You guys wanna compare dick sizes with interior? Sit in a E46 M3 and stfu. Interior is irrelevant!

4G63 makes insane power insanely easy. Nuff said. Frankly I'm surprised how easily it competes with a V8 power wise...and at the end of the day you can still get a rediculous 27-30mpg if need be.

Also, I'd like to point out the thread of "if you could have anybody's car on here, which would it be"...and Jerry's Mirage was the unanimous winner overall...hmmm..

Oh, and when they make a 4 banger SBC but cutting one in half, then it'll be cool.

err...no, even then it wont..

You know what? Actually being able to get to spark plugs is gay. Spark plug wires, exhaust manifolds, 1 piece 1 head, far lighter design, gay gay gay. Assuming you are talking about pushrod V8s even...what does it take to upgrade the cam? Wow, pulling out the fucking radiator, condensor, fan, and everything else in the way? Damn, if only they made it easier to axcess to upgrade...you know, like on top of the damn head....

2g
11-15-2006, 08:21 PM
lol +1 to that.

2g
11-15-2006, 08:22 PM
286hp at 19psi actually. This is with boost tapering, which is easily fixed by either reflashing the ecu or by adding a simple manual boost controller. Its good for about 25-30hp just doing that, not even raising the boost. It's heavily detuned on the top end from the factory. So, say it wasn't detuned, it would make around 310-315hp.

What 4 cylinder ARE you impressed with? :lol:

This is coming from someone that owns an Evo and knows what he's talking about. John FTW!

25psi
11-15-2006, 09:56 PM
4G63 wins hands down.


What the hell is all this ranting about the EVO's interior? I've sat in them before as well as WRX/STi's........I really dont see the huge difference. The only reason the interior is brought up because its the one part of the car that isn't excellent. The new Evo IX interior is actually quite nice though IMO


http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/roadtests/0505_02z+Mitsubishi_EVO_IX+Front_Interior_View.jpg

dan
11-15-2006, 10:02 PM
This thread has seriously gone to the shitter.


Back on topic: 4G63 is in my opinion one of the best, but I was thinking about this last night, and some of the Honda single cam engines can take a beating like no others. And they don't mind boost/nitrous and definitely don't mind taking a beating.

see my gandy rev limiter comment :lol: true test of ricers worldwide, beating on sohc honda motors with 2 quarts of oil in them or less lol. they'll never loooose!

Street Surgeon
11-15-2006, 10:37 PM
So, you're not saying it produces more power than any V6 or V8 our there unless you're on crack. You mean more 'power per cylinder'? Thats the oldest arguement in the book. Every cylinder over 1 you run gives you merginally less gains per additional cylinder. Get how that works? So sure, 4-cyls are more 'efficent' than 8-cyls. A 2-cyl is more efficent than a 4-cyl. Whats your point?

BTW, turbo V8 > turbo I4. ;)

But v8 vs. I4 aside...I'm not very impressed by the Evo's powerplant. It runs like 20 lbs of boost to get what power it makes? I'm sorry but on a turbo car I just think you could do a lot better...

What does a motor have to do to impress you then? How about this, can you triple an LS1's whp without changing the factory internals, how about a 302 or modular 4.6? There are QUITE a few 500+whp 4G63's running around on stock block, crank, rods, pistons etc. Even a few that broke the 600whp barrier with all the above. All from a motor that put out 195bhp from the factory or about 160ish to the wheels. THAT is impressive no matter how you look at it. Don't even get me started on 302's.... Those motors split themselves easy enough as is.

myltwon
11-15-2006, 11:25 PM
You're right. Jeez, I mean who would want to be stuck with suede lined Recaro seats, Momo steering wheel, and a touchscreen gps Navi head unit?

http://features.evolutionm.net/admin/imageview.php?image=1240

Sure, who wants plastic when you can have pleather seating, fisher price my-first-car sized interior knobs, and a back seat thats usable for .... oh wait its not.

http://www.iroczone.com/Carlisle2006/field_094.JPG

Yeah, you're right, I shoulda gone pleather :lol:

So anyway, I've changed my mind, my Evo is for sale. I'm gonna go buy a new Trans Am ... oh fuck they don't make those anymore. :lol: wonder why?

I could've sworn they're planning on axing the evo soon, but the camaro is being brough back, I forgot lets compare whats made today, not like the fbody's already been around 35 years or anything

btw that's a firebird steering wheel, with a camaro dash, in a 2nd gen fbody

good try though

myltwon
11-15-2006, 11:32 PM
btw as for the dsm guy talkin shit about GM interiors I've been inside about 6 dsms and haven't seen any with a complete interior, mostly because shit is broken or hanging down

I like my interior I get plenty of complements on the seats, the ashtray makes a great hideaway switch panel and the a/c vents fit autometer gauges perfectly

myltwon
11-15-2006, 11:37 PM
What does a motor have to do to impress you then? How about this, can you triple an LS1's whp without changing the factory internals, how about a 302 or modular 4.6? There are QUITE a few 500+whp 4G63's running around on stock block, crank, rods, pistons etc. Even a few that broke the 600whp barrier with all the above. All from a motor that put out 195bhp from the factory or about 160ish to the wheels. THAT is impressive no matter how you look at it. Don't even get me started on 302's.... Those motors split themselves easy enough as is.

as far as I know I've seen LS7's with 800rwhp on bottom ends terminators (aka 03-04 cobra motors) with 800+rwhp with stock motors

honestly I'm not trying to downplay the capabilities of any 4 cylinder, fucking eh I like em too but I'm tired of people being ignorant about anything made stateside

myltwon
11-15-2006, 11:40 PM
You guys wanna compare dick sizes with interior? Sit in a E46 M3 and stfu. Interior is irrelevant!

4G63 makes insane power insanely easy. Nuff said. Frankly I'm surprised how easily it competes with a V8 power wise...and at the end of the day you can still get a rediculous 27-30mpg if need be.

Also, I'd like to point out the thread of "if you could have anybody's car on here, which would it be"...and Jerry's Mirage was the unanimous winner overall...hmmm..

Oh, and when they make a 4 banger SBC but cutting one in half, then it'll be cool.

err...no, even then it wont..

You know what? Actually being able to get to spark plugs is gay. Spark plug wires, exhaust manifolds, 1 piece 1 head, far lighter design, gay gay gay. Assuming you are talking about pushrod V8s even...what does it take to upgrade the cam? Wow, pulling out the fucking radiator, condensor, fan, and everything else in the way? Damn, if only they made it easier to axcess to upgrade...you know, like on top of the damn head....

whats the typical gains of a cam swap in a dohc 4 cylinder? what's the cost of a cam swap in a dohc 4 cylinder?

what's the gains of a cam swap in a ohv v8? what's the cost of a cam swap in a ohv v8?

ease of install doesn't outweigh the cons

cost of 4g63 cams (500-700 dollars)
cost of LS1/LT1 cam (250-300 dollars)

myltwon
11-15-2006, 11:43 PM
btw orion you know a complete LS1 weighs less than a complete SR20?

BOX SENTRA
11-15-2006, 11:47 PM
whats the typical gains of a cam swap in a dohc 4 cylinder? what's the cost of a cam swap in a dohc 4 cylinder?



cost:300 bucks for both cams
gains:being able to rev the car out to 9k

i know in the v8 it gives it probably a bigger gain though.

myltwon
11-15-2006, 11:49 PM
cost:300 bucks for both cams
gains:being able to rev the car out to 9k

i know in the v8 it gives it probably a bigger gain though.

according to summit they range from 500-700 for crower and crane

BOX SENTRA
11-15-2006, 11:50 PM
im just saying what you can get them for, the brian crowers are actually 350 bucks for the pair and from what i hear they are good cams

myltwon
11-15-2006, 11:52 PM
Crower Performance Level 3 Camshaft $554.99

Crower Performance Level 3 Camshafts: CRO-64414-2 - summitracing.com (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=CRO%2D64414%2D2&N=700+4294925232+4294924497+4294887637+4294907686+ 115&autoview=sku)

BOX SENTRA
11-15-2006, 11:55 PM
ok well i was lookin at brian crowers. im wondering how hes sellin em for so cheap! BrianCrower.com (http://www.briancrower.com/view.php?pn=BC0101)

THE_ONE
11-16-2006, 12:00 AM
ok well i was lookin at brian crowers. im wondering how hes sellin em for so cheap! BrianCrower.com (http://www.briancrower.com/view.php?pn=BC0101)Easy, there the same as all Crower cams, but without the big over head now. He makes them, hell he made them at crower cams and now he can do them cheaper without having to deal working within a big company.

Once the words out and he gets bigger the price will go up ;)

BOX SENTRA
11-16-2006, 12:02 AM
Easy, there the same as all Crower cams, but without the big over head now. He makes them, hell he made them at crower cams and now he can do them cheaper without having to deal working within a big company.

Once the words out and he gets bigger the price will go up ;) yea thats why im tryin to jump on these cause its an entry price, its always gonna be cheaper to put a cam in an ohv car though.

power2weight
11-16-2006, 12:10 AM
I'd like to defend the the Ford 2.3t but I like $25 blocks and a nice selection at the yards so with that being said they are garbage and stick with V-8's kids.

myltwon
11-16-2006, 01:35 AM
oh yeah and enjoy setting timing and what not after you get your cams in, I just slap my opti on the end of the cam and it sets the timing for me

Steez
11-16-2006, 02:17 AM
ANYWAYS.

Yeah, personally my favorite 4-cylinder is the 3S-GTE but since that isn't listed since it doesn't have mad tyte VTAK like the b18 or f20, I voted for the 4G63 simply because it can make power and hold it without popping.

YARO
11-16-2006, 03:53 AM
ANYWAYS.

Yeah, personally my favorite 4-cylinder is the 3S-GTE but since that isn't listed since it doesn't have mad tyte VTAK like the b18 or f20, I voted for the 4G63 simply because it can make power and hold it without popping.
Look Agian! 3S-GTE IS listed:nerd:

Steez
11-16-2006, 05:15 AM
<-fail

Graves
11-16-2006, 07:00 AM
Sit in those STi seats then sit in the Evo's. I've had STi people offer to buy my Recaros. Thats all I'm gonna say on that.


Come on the SVT Focus came with Recaros. :lol:

scott hutch
11-16-2006, 08:32 AM
btw orion you know a complete LS1 weighs less than a complete SR20?


i think you mean the ka-turbo setup the sr is tiny. at least i think so you may be right. but the power is no contest

myltwon
11-16-2006, 09:18 AM
the LS1 is an almuminum head/block motor with a plastic composite intake. it's not your typical boat anchor of a sbc

Graves
11-16-2006, 09:27 AM
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2437000-2437999/2437255_5_full.jpg

BAMF
11-16-2006, 09:57 AM
the LS1 is an almuminum head/block motor with a plastic composite intake. it's not your typical boat anchor of a sbc

Unlike the el tee juan!

Street Surgeon
11-16-2006, 10:16 AM
as far as I know I've seen LS7's with 800rwhp on bottom ends terminators (aka 03-04 cobra motors) with 800+rwhp with stock motors

honestly I'm not trying to downplay the capabilities of any 4 cylinder, fucking eh I like em too but I'm tired of people being ignorant about anything made stateside

Nice, an LS7... That's the very latest Corvette Z06 motor with titanium rods, a dry sump oiling system and just about every other race-bred gadget that a high buck sportscar should have. Not like the $50.00 6-bolt shortblock that I can yank from the u-pull-it around here that was produced in early '90 which as I mentioned earlier has had no problems holding 500 - 600whp stock! This was on a motor that laid down about 160ish whp when it rolled off the assembly line mind you. :mullet:

I'm not totally ignorant about what's built here in the states

PoppaSmurf
11-16-2006, 11:05 AM
Come on the SVT Focus came with Recaros. :lol:

you're not trying to compare a focus to an evo, are you? :lol: :lol:

2kSnakeater
11-16-2006, 11:30 AM
for those of you who like that 1980s Evo interior, the 1980s Firebirds and some Iroc-Zs came with Recaro's and my 1989 Celica has that cheap little clock in the dash gimik

2kSnakeater
11-16-2006, 11:32 AM
Nice, an LS7... That's the very latest Corvette Z06 motor with titanium rods, a dry sump oiling system and just about every other race-bred gadget that a high buck sportscar should have. Not like the $50.00 6-bolt shortblock that I can yank from the u-pull-it around here that was produced in early '90 which as I mentioned earlier has had no problems holding 500 - 600whp stock! This was on a motor that laid down about 160ish whp when it rolled off the assembly line mind you. :mullet:

I'm not totally ignorant about what's built here in the states


Cheap----Reliable----Fast

DSMs got the Cheap-Fast components

PoppaSmurf
11-16-2006, 11:34 AM
oh yeah and enjoy setting timing and what not after you get your cams in, I just slap my opti on the end of the cam and it sets the timing for me

then your water pump leaks, fries the opti, and your out another day and half worth of labor and however much it costs to replace it :lol:

btw, the only interior pieces my car was missing was a radio ;)


now lets see...some things that caught my eye...a cam swap in a 4 cyl can yeild anything from a 10 whp gain to over 100 whp gain depending on your setup, a stock car would have little to gain...but a fully setup car going from stock cams to aftermarket cams will see a HUGE benefit

hey Vip, maybe you should sell that 302 and put a 4G63 in that foxbody...at least when it gets to 450 whp you wont have to worry about it splitting in half :lol: :lol:

BOX SENTRA
11-16-2006, 11:38 AM
Cheap----Reliable----Fast

DSMs got the Cheap-Fast components every single dsm is unreliable and prone to crankwalk right? they can be reliable if you know what youre doing

BOX SENTRA
11-16-2006, 11:43 AM
btw, the only interior pieces my car was missing was a radio ;)


im missing a square from when i used to have an safc, everything else is there

2kSnakeater
11-16-2006, 11:52 AM
every single dsm is unreliable and prone to crankwalk right? they can be reliable if you know what youre doing


anything can be reliable if you know what your doing, but I draw the line when the door handles start falling off :lol:

THE_ONE
11-16-2006, 11:57 AM
hey Vip, maybe you should sell that 302 and put a 4G63 in that foxbody...at least when it gets to 450 whp you wont have to worry about it splitting in half :lol: :lol::lmao: well said

myltwon
11-16-2006, 12:13 PM
Nice, an LS7... That's the very latest Corvette Z06 motor with titanium rods, a dry sump oiling system and just about every other race-bred gadget that a high buck sportscar should have. Not like the $50.00 6-bolt shortblock that I can yank from the u-pull-it around here that was produced in early '90 which as I mentioned earlier has had no problems holding 500 - 600whp stock! This was on a motor that laid down about 160ish whp when it rolled off the assembly line mind you. :mullet:

I'm not totally ignorant about what's built here in the states

oh also the domestic buick 3.8 v6 has been known to handle high hp well, the LS1 and LT1 have been known to take around the around of 500whp+

my lt1 makes over 500hp at the crank and has 120k miles on it, I mean shit it's some pos aswell

myltwon
11-16-2006, 12:15 PM
btw, the only interior pieces my car was missing was a radio ;)

I remember an a pilar hanging down, spider webs, and a missing door handle on the inside :lol: I could've sworn I had to reach outside the car to get out

myltwon
11-16-2006, 12:18 PM
then your water pump leaks, fries the opti, and your out another day and half worth of labor and however much it costs to replace it :lol:

btw, the only interior pieces my car was missing was a radio ;)


now lets see...some things that caught my eye...a cam swap in a 4 cyl can yeild anything from a 10 whp gain to over 100 whp gain depending on your setup, a stock car would have little to gain...but a fully setup car going from stock cams to aftermarket cams will see a HUGE benefit

yeah but that's in a scenario where the cams are the only thing unmodded and are restrictive to the rest of the setup

throw a cam in an stock LT1/LS1 and throw 2 cams (shit 2 of em that's even better than 1 :lol:) in a stock 1G/2G eclipse and see which car drops a full second of it's ET

oh well like I keep saying I gotta plenty of love for the 4 cylinders, I just love argueing lol

myltwon
11-16-2006, 12:20 PM
for those of you who like that 1980s Evo interior, the 1980s Firebirds and some Iroc-Zs came with Recaro's and my 1989 Celica has that cheap little clock in the dash gimik

yeah I was thinking about mentioning how trailer park 3rd gen camaros and firebirds had recaros, so don't think your evo is so special :lol:

Jordan Y.
11-16-2006, 12:36 PM
yeah but that's in a scenario where the cams are the only thing unmodded and are restrictive to the rest of the setup

throw a cam in an stock LT1/LS1 and throw 2 cams (shit 2 of em that's even better than 1 :lol:) in a stock 1G/2G eclipse and see which car drops a full second of it's ET

Do a couple of little free mods, drop the exhaust, pull the wastegate line and add some race gas and watch the Eclipse run 1.5+ seconds faster than stock for 0 dollars.

Oh, and cam installs don't require retiming. Just zip-tie the timing belt to the cam gears, keep the CAS installed and don't let it spin, and drop in the cams. Bolt shit up and run it. It can be done very quickly once you've done a few.

Though I'll admit, 400+ whp off i/h/e+cam like in a LS1 is pretty sweet.

THE_ONE
11-16-2006, 12:40 PM
Thread needs to be locked, so the GM guys can talk interiors all day long on a new thread dedicated to Evo vs. GM interiors

Graves
11-16-2006, 01:14 PM
you're not trying to compare a focus to an evo, are you? :lol: :lol:


Only the new RS lol. I was just responding to his interior comment.

slowsohc
11-16-2006, 02:00 PM
4g63 Imo

BAMF
11-16-2006, 02:05 PM
oh also the domestic buick 3.8 v6 has been known to handle high hp well, the LS1 and LT1 have been known to take around the around of 500whp+

my lt1 makes over 500hp at the crank and has 120k miles on it, I mean shit it's some pos aswell

Can it really? Does that mean the Buick is ready for BEEEWWWSSSST?!

Or maybe NAWWWWWZZ?!

robofunc
11-16-2006, 02:27 PM
My vote:

myltwon
11-16-2006, 02:34 PM
Can it really? Does that mean the Buick is ready for BEEEWWWSSSST?!

Or maybe NAWWWWWZZ?!

actually I meant the turbo buick 3.8 in the grand nationals, t-types, and 89 turbo trans am but good luck with that any way :lol:

myltwon
11-16-2006, 02:35 PM
Do a couple of little free mods, drop the exhaust, pull the wastegate line and add some race gas and watch the Eclipse run 1.5+ seconds faster than stock for 0 dollars.


race gas is free!??!?! tell me where I'm tired of paying for this 93 octane shit! :lol:

BAMF
11-16-2006, 02:39 PM
actually I meant the turbo buick 3.8 in the grand nationals, t-types, and 89 turbo trans am but good luck with that any way :lol:

:oops:

Keith
11-16-2006, 03:15 PM
with the F20, would you mind if i added the f22 (the AP2 S2K 2.2L)

Ronald Mcdonald
11-16-2006, 03:24 PM
with the F20, would you mind if i added the f22 (the AP2 S2K 2.2L)

Definitely a better engine than it's predecessor.

2g
11-16-2006, 04:39 PM
anything can be reliable if you know what your doing, but I draw the line when the door handles start falling off :lol:

They actually don't fall off. The spring inside the door handle usually gives way meaning it turns or bends or stretches. Hence why you can still pull the handle but it won't open the door. They were made cheap and these being the 2g eclipse/talon door handles... the 1g's door handles I've never had a problem with. I've yet to see one literally fall off but I'm not doubting it hasn't happened.

BOX SENTRA
11-16-2006, 05:56 PM
for the 2 years ive had this car, ive never had a broken door handle.

Ronald Mcdonald
11-16-2006, 09:25 PM
for the 2 years ive had this car, ive never had a broken door handle.


But that doesn't make up for the weekly crank-walk.

J/K

Orion ZyGarian
11-16-2006, 09:29 PM
btw orion you know a complete LS1 weighs less than a complete SR20?

Fuck if I care, thats cool though :lol:

I've been known to say "I'd rather have two KA24s in a 240SX than one SR20". Torque > HP

LongFellow
11-16-2006, 09:37 PM
The only thing good about a KA is the Head, everything else sucks.

Jk, the motor is alright. but nothing to write home to momma about.

VQ>SR>KA

BAMF
11-17-2006, 04:01 PM
Best 4 cylinder motor of all time is the D16Z6 from the '92-95 Honda Civic EX

Hell yeah! I loved my 93 EX. That motor's gas mileage pwned!

aaron1017
11-17-2006, 05:37 PM
From what I gather, the best 4 cylinder engine ever is a toss up between the LS1, a Firebird interior, and an Eclipse door handle?
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/images/smilies/lockd.gif

2kSnakeater
11-17-2006, 05:45 PM
From what I gather, the best 4 cylinder engine ever is a toss up between the LS1, a Firebird interior, and an Eclipse door handle?
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all that minus the Eclipse door handle (they fall off)

you could chop an ls1 in half, make it into an ls.5 and it still would be a better 4cyl than the 4g63

YARO
11-17-2006, 05:47 PM
From what I gather, the best 4 cylinder engine ever is a toss up between the LS1, a Firebird interior, and an Eclipse door handle?
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LongFellow
11-17-2006, 06:07 PM
all that minus the Eclipse door handle (they fall off)

you could chop an ls1 in half, make it into an ls.5 and it still would be a better 4cyl than the 4g63

How/why would you make a push rod 4cyl?

lol at the LS.5

BOX SENTRA
11-17-2006, 06:15 PM
:hahano: yea!
all that minus the Eclipse door handle (they fall off)

you could chop an ls1 in half, make it into an ls.5 and it still would be a better 4cyl than the 4g63

Tom N
11-17-2006, 06:24 PM
all that minus the Eclipse door handle (they fall off)

you could chop an ls1 in half, make it into an ls.5 and it still would be a better 4cyl than the 4g63



The 4g63 has gone into the 6`s with a single power adder.
Whats the fastest LS1?

BAMF
11-17-2006, 06:31 PM
ls1 (I think)
Fast Eddy Lyons
ET 6.26 @ 217 MPH

4g63 (I think)
Brent Rau
ET 6.976 @198.29

As usual, V8 performance wins...in this case by like 2/3 of a second...which when you're that fast is a FUCKLOAD. We're talking about 4-cyls though. Don't try and compare the damn thing to a motor twice its size. There is no comparison.

Neesan
11-17-2006, 06:35 PM
Bro...I just got my DSM and it only took about $1500 to get it at mid 13's. What other 4 cyl could you do that to?

2g
11-17-2006, 06:42 PM
ls1 (I think)
Fast Eddy Lyons
ET 6.26 @ 217 MPH

4g63 (I think)
Brent Rau
ET 6.976 @198.29

As usual, V8 performance wins...in this case by like 2/3 of a second...which when you're that fast is a FUCKLOAD.

Yeah but a 4 cyl being 2/3 of a second slower then a v8 is just sad. I would think having a v8 the v8 would of done better... seems like the 4 cyl is only a bit shy of stomping a v8. I'm not impressed.

BAMF
11-17-2006, 06:42 PM
Yeah but a 4 cyl being 2/3 of a second slower then a v8 is just sad. I would think having a v8 the v8 would of done better... seems like the 4 cyl is only a bit shy of stomping a v8. I'm not impressed.

Yeah...go check what it takes to get a car from 6.9 to 6.2 and then get back to me.

2g
11-17-2006, 06:44 PM
Yeah...go check what it takes to get a car from 6.9 to 6.2 and then get back to me.

I don't care what it takes when you have a car thats gone 6.9 to 6.2 then talk.

To me its not impressive when a v8 beats a 4 cyl by just 2/3 of a second.

BAMF
11-17-2006, 06:46 PM
I don't care what it takes when you have a car thats gone 6.9 to 6.2 then talk.

To me its not impressive when a v8 beats a 4 cyl by just 2/3 of a second.

Okay. You're ignorant and happy to be ignorant. You've stated that. We can move on now.

BOX SENTRA
11-17-2006, 06:49 PM
I don't care what it takes when you have a car thats gone 6.9 to 6.2 then talk.

To me its not impressive when a v8 beats a 4 cyl by just 2/3 of a second.
well when the cars are that fast, 2/3ds a second is alot... now the 1/2 ls1 statement was dumb lol.

2g
11-17-2006, 06:50 PM
Okay. You're ignorant and happy to be ignorant. You've stated that. We can move on now.

and your closed minded and you've been throughout the thread. I would think you would of moved on by now. Learn what ignorant means before using the word. Here ass check out Dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com) you might learn how to use the word properly.

Don't get your panties in a wot when your so gun-ho about your v8's and someone like me shits on them in this thread.

2g
11-17-2006, 06:51 PM
well when the cars are that fast, 2/3ds a second is alot... now the 1/2 ls1 statement was dumb lol.

If it was 4cyl vs 4cyl then yeah I would be impressed. But 4cyl vs v8 its not impressive to me.

BAMF
11-17-2006, 06:52 PM
and your closed minded and you've been throughout the thread. I would think you would of moved on by now. Learn what ignorant means before using the word. Here ass check out Dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com) you might learn how to use the word properly.

Don't get your panties in a wot when your so gun-ho about your v8's and someone like me shits on them in this thread.

Okay, check out the other DSM owner's post. Now...IGNORANT, lacking in knowledge. Here, let me use it in a sentance so you can catch it this time. You're clearly lacking the knowledge that going from 6.9 to 6.2 requires an unfathomable amount more power than you taking your shitbucket from 13.0 to 12.3. And its wad, not wot, smart guy.

Are you going to disagree with the people who drive the same shit as you who are agreeing with me, now? Oh god, this is rich.

2g
11-17-2006, 06:55 PM
Okay, check out the other DSM owner's post. Now...IGNORANT, lacking in knowledge. You're clearly lacking the knowledge that going from 6.9 to 6.2 requires an unfathomable amount more power than you taking your shitbucket from 13.0 to 12.3. And its wad, not wot, smart guy.

Check out my response to his response. You seem to type faster then your brain can transmit to your fingers or is it your eyes move faster then your mind itself. Your clearly lacking the knowledge when it comes down to what this thread is about. Shitbucket lol... have you seen what you drive lately to call my car a shitbucket. Your one to talk.

BOX SENTRA
11-17-2006, 06:56 PM
dont get me wrong, a 6 second 4 cylinder is crazy fast, but you gotta remember its gonna be easier for a v8 to be faster.. usually... so i think a 4 cylinder bein able to do that with 2.0 liters does deserve alot of respect.

2g
11-17-2006, 06:58 PM
dont get me wrong, a 6 second 4 cylinder is crazy fast, but you gotta remember its gonna be easier for a v8 to be faster.. usually... so i think a 4 cylinder bein able to do that with 2.0 liters does deserve alot of respect.

Exactly thats how come I wasn't impressed. It takes a lot more for a 4cyl to get there.

BAMF
11-17-2006, 07:04 PM
dont get me wrong, a 6 second 4 cylinder is crazy fast, but you gotta remember its gonna be easier for a v8 to be faster.. usually... so i think a 4 cylinder bein able to do that with 2.0 liters does deserve alot of respect.

Both motors deserve a lot of respect. Maybe you realize the amount of power. Shaving off that .7 seconds requires something a bit more than 500HP assumming both cars were the same weight (~2500lbs). As I hardly doubt that was the case, I'm sure the V8 put out close to a thousand more HP to shave that .7 off. Hell, if his car even HAD 500HP itd probably be in the low 11s or the high 10s. I'm telling you, its a completly different ballgame.

BOX SENTRA
11-17-2006, 07:07 PM
well anything goin that fast i am impressed with no matter how many cylinders it is....but you gotta realize how much more hp the v8 is makin over the 4 cylinder to go that much faster, it doesnt seem like alot but it is.