several new questions about my system

[TIM TIM TIM]

Im about to start building a box, and i have been chatting to nodladstyle and he brought a few things to mind that i wanted 2nd opinions on (not that i do not trust him, i just wnat to see what others think).

2 titanuim eclipse 12's facing up at the hatch in an integra... bad idea??

i was designing a box about 1.5 cu ft sealed... he is on winisd or whatever and hes saying about 1 cu ft ported at 30hz will be better sounding.. now what i want is clean, tight hitting bass.. i listen to alot of rock/punk..




btw today i got my sx9004 kicker amp on my SS componets up front and ks componets in the rear.... im VERY satisfied, ill be at an audio meet soon i hope so they can be heard :)

[Notladstyle]

Heres the graph (orange is 1.0 tuned to 30hz)

[TIM TIM TIM]

again im not doubting you or anything on any of this, it just seems odd from what i was always told... but i am not saying the people i learned from were worth a damn lol

[KartRex]

he knoes his shit dont dout him just do it:D j/k but yea deffinaly come to the meet

Heres the graph (orange is 1.0 tuned to 30hz)

[Notladstyle]

Wait for Toby to get on and demolish me... He has a program called bassbox pro or something like that that has 10x the features of winISD and he will be able to give you in car response (my graph is open air and doesnt compensate for cabin gain)

[P057]

he knoes his shit dont dout him just do it:D j/k but yea deffinaly come to the meet

were u there before?

[TIM TIM TIM]

welll toby, when you check this, could i give you a few bucks to tell me what kind of box, what size and generally what dimentions???????i can build it, i just wnat it to be right.

[TJElite]

Wait for Toby to get on and demolish me... He has a program called bassbox pro or something like that that has 10x the features of winISD and he will be able to give you in car response (my graph is open air and doesnt compensate for cabin gain)

I'll rarely, if ever, 'demolish' you, as long as you bring data and / or facts, and aren't just talking out of your ass. I'll just bring my opinion, facts, and data, and we'll discuss it.

I'm assuming you're using the 9122 sub. If not, then this may not apply.

My first problem is with the lack of good TS data on these subs. All I could find was a Qts, FS, and VAS. Its enough, but I'd like to see QTS broken down into Qes and Qms, but its not a huge deal.

All that being said, your 1 cu ft, tuned to 30 is not a bad box at all. My only concern is the music type. Rock and punk tend to have bass that is much 'faster' than say, hip hop, while going just as low, if not lower. What I look at here is group delay. Basically, its a graph of how the sound coming out of the speaker mimics the input. I've posted a group delay graph of both the ported box (orange), and basically the same box, sealed (blue). On this graph, you look at both amplitude, and slope. As you can see, the sealed box not only has less delay, but it also has a lower rate of change (slope). The overall delay can effect how well the sub blends into the rest of the system, and the slope effects how well it handles transients. By 80 hz, they are about the same (basically 0), but below that, there is twice as much delay on the ported box, and the slope on both ends is much steeper. This says that the ported box will potentially be harder to blend with the rest of the system, and will struggle more with the transients. On hip hop, rap, bass, etc., you probably wouldn't notice, but on electonica, rock, punk, etc., where the bass is snappier, and changes frequency often and quickly, the ported box will get more 'one notish'...where multiple varied bass notes blend together, and become less defined.

The other graph I posted is the estimated in car response of both boxes. Again, blue is sealed, and orange is ported. You'll notice that from about 40-60hz, the ported box is about 3db louder, or twice as loud . I've disregarded everything less than 3db, as most people can't hear a change that small (technically, 3db is twice the output power, and is often cited as the smallest incremental change that the average person can hear, as for perception, 10db is considered twice as loud...another topic, for another day). So, in those frequency ranges, the ported box will be noticeably louder. Below 30 hz, the ported box starts to drop off rapidly, while the sealed continues to stay basically flat. Depending on the musical piece, there can be a lot of information down there. Much of it is felt more than heard, but its down there.

The other thing to consider is construction. Sealed boxes tend to be much easier to build, and much more forgiving when it comes to calculating volumes, etc. This can be HUGE when you're building complex shapes. Lots more goes in to building ported boxes. Also, if you go ported, you should have some sort of subsonic filter, set slightly below the port frequency, to prevent damage to the woofer. Below the port frequency, the driver unloads...that is, the excursion becomes uncontrolled, and you can have mechanical issues.

If it were me, I'd go sealed box, about 1 cu ft. per sub. The good news is that since both boxes are roughly the same size, you could build the ported one, and seal the port, if you don't like it. The ported box will be slightly larger, overall, to allow for the port, but the sealed design is flexible enough that it won't really matter. I'd spend my efforts on building the best, most durable, well sealed box I can, vs. trying to calculate exact volumes, port dimensions, port displacements, etc. I also find it easier to finish sealed boxes, since you don't have big open holes to dress. Sealed boxes are also easily tweakable...you can take volume away by putting foam blocks in it, you can change Qtc with things like polyfill, etc.

You also didn't say what you are using for the rest of the system. This can have an effect on everything from box design, to crossover frequency.

The further good news is that, I've really just wasted a lot of space with all of this. For the most part, the average person probably wouldn't hear the difference, unless you could do an a/b type test. Even then, many people wouldn't hear it. The easy construction of the sealed box puts it way ahead, here, in my opinion. I can also honestly say that I've heard very few really bad sounding sealed boxes, and most of them were either way off in size, or poorly constructed. I have, however, heard more than a couple bad sounding ported boxes.

So, did this help, or hurt? Once you make this decision, I can help you with dimensions, if you like.

Toby

[GsEclipse02]

just have the guy that curtis use to use ... he charages 10 bucks and its a full lay of a nice ported box it will be like that print out i had for mine

[TIM TIM TIM]

I'll rarely, if ever, 'demolish' you, as long as you bring data and / or facts, and aren't just talking out of your ass. I'll just bring my opinion, facts, and data, and we'll discuss it.

I'm assuming you're using the 9122 sub. If not, then this may not apply.

My first problem is with the lack of good TS data on these subs. All I could find was a Qts, FS, and VAS. Its enough, but I'd like to see QTS broken down into Qes and Qms, but its not a huge deal.

All that being said, your 1 cu ft, tuned to 30 is not a bad box at all. My only concern is the music type. Rock and punk tend to have bass that is much 'faster' than say, hip hop, while going just as low, if not lower. What I look at here is group delay. Basically, its a graph of how the sound coming out of the speaker mimics the input. I've posted a group delay graph of both the ported box (orange), and basically the same box, sealed (blue). On this graph, you look at both amplitude, and slope. As you can see, the sealed box not only has less delay, but it also has a lower rate of change (slope). The overall delay can effect how well the sub blends into the rest of the system, and the slope effects how well it handles transients. By 80 hz, they are about the same (basically 0), but below that, there is twice as much delay on the ported box, and the slope on both ends is much steeper. This says that the ported box will potentially be harder to blend with the rest of the system, and will struggle more with the transients. On hip hop, rap, bass, etc., you probably wouldn't notice, but on electonica, rock, punk, etc., where the bass is snappier, and changes frequency often and quickly, the ported box will get more 'one notish'...where multiple varied bass notes blend together, and become less defined.

The other graph I posted is the estimated in car response of both boxes. Again, blue is sealed, and orange is ported. You'll notice that from about 40-60hz, the ported box is about 3db louder, or twice as loud . I've disregarded everything less than 3db, as most people can't hear a change that small (technically, 3db is twice the output power, and is often cited as the smallest incremental change that the average person can hear, as for perception, 10db is considered twice as loud...another topic, for another day). So, in those frequency ranges, the ported box will be noticeably louder. Below 30 hz, the ported box starts to drop off rapidly, while the sealed continues to stay basically flat. Depending on the musical piece, there can be a lot of information down there. Much of it is felt more than heard, but its down there.

The other thing to consider is construction. Sealed boxes tend to be much easier to build, and much more forgiving when it comes to calculating volumes, etc. This can be HUGE when you're building complex shapes. Lots more goes in to building ported boxes. Also, if you go ported, you should have some sort of subsonic filter, set slightly below the port frequency, to prevent damage to the woofer. Below the port frequency, the driver unloads...that is, the excursion becomes uncontrolled, and you can have mechanical issues.

If it were me, I'd go sealed box, about 1 cu ft. per sub. The good news is that since both boxes are roughly the same size, you could build the ported one, and seal the port, if you don't like it. The ported box will be slightly larger, overall, to allow for the port, but the sealed design is flexible enough that it won't really matter. I'd spend my efforts on building the best, most durable, well sealed box I can, vs. trying to calculate exact volumes, port dimensions, port displacements, etc. I also find it easier to finish sealed boxes, since you don't have big open holes to dress. Sealed boxes are also easily tweakable...you can take volume away by putting foam blocks in it, you can change Qtc with things like polyfill, etc.

You also didn't say what you are using for the rest of the system. This can have an effect on everything from box design, to crossover frequency.

The further good news is that, I've really just wasted a lot of space with all of this. For the most part, the average person probably wouldn't hear the difference, unless you could do an a/b type test. Even then, many people wouldn't hear it. The easy construction of the sealed box puts it way ahead, here, in my opinion. I can also honestly say that I've heard very few really bad sounding sealed boxes, and most of them were either way off in size, or poorly constructed. I have, however, heard more than a couple bad sounding ported boxes.

So, did this help, or hurt? Once you make this decision, I can help you with dimensions, if you like.

Toby

i may have to read over that a few times to fully get what you were saying, but by what im understanding, I want ported... i listen to some rap, but the majority is harder rock, punk and stuff like that... if sealed is going to give me the better sound for that (clean, defined and acurate bass) then i want sealed.. as you said, sealed is much easier to build as well. i do want it loud, i just dont want the sidewalk sound :lol:

the system consist of:
900.4 kicker SX amp for highs
SX1250.1 amp for subs
2 eclipse 9122 subs
kicker SS componets up front
kicker KS componets in rear
eclipse cd3000 cd player (5volt preouts)
thats really it for sound..
i have the remote for the amps to adjust them from the front, full kicker 0 guage wire thats splits to 2 four guage, all of car was re-wired with kicker wire ect...

also, i may not have as good of an ear of sound as you, but id for sure say its better then the average.. i do notice alot of things people dont, and i want to hear as close to perfection as i can get, with what i have.

with all that said, i would REALLY appreciate your help with box dimentions ect.. i am willing to give you a few bucks for your time ect...
if you would like to contact me elsewhere, my AIM name is "because tim said" and if you would like my number, just pm me.

[GradeA_TireFryer]

sealed - you can adjust the sound with poly fill by adding or sub

[TBSpyder]

I agree with going sealed. It's much more difficult to go wrong with a sealed box than a ported....especially considering your music preference.

[TJElite]

i may have to read over that a few times to fully get what you were saying, but by what im understanding, I want ported... i listen to some rap, but the majority is harder rock, punk and stuff like that... if sealed is going to give me the better sound for that (clean, defined and acurate bass) then i want sealed.. as you said, sealed is much easier to build as well. i do want it loud, i just dont want the sidewalk sound :lol:

the system consist of:
900.4 kicker SX amp for highs
SX1250.1 amp for subs
2 eclipse 9122 subs
kicker SS componets up front
kicker KS componets in rear
eclipse cd3000 cd player (5volt preouts)
thats really it for sound..
i have the remote for the amps to adjust them from the front, full kicker 0 guage wire thats splits to 2 four guage, all of car was re-wired with kicker wire ect...

also, i may not have as good of an ear of sound as you, but id for sure say its better then the average.. i do notice alot of things people dont, and i want to hear as close to perfection as i can get, with what i have.

with all that said, i would REALLY appreciate your help with box dimentions ect.. i am willing to give you a few bucks for your time ect...
if you would like to contact me elsewhere, my AIM name is "because tim said" and if you would like my number, just pm me.

Actually, I think you want sealed. I'll work on box dimensions today.

Toby

[TJElite]

Bassbox won't do a cut list for a trapezoidal box. It will do a box with one slanted face. I also can't figure out how to cut and copy the drawings, but this is the cut list for a 2.25cu. ft. net volume box, made with .75 mdf. 2 cu ft. net is what the design called for, but this gives you extra room for bracing, etc. Sealed boxes are forgiving enough that it won't really matter.

External dimensions for this box are:

28.25 wide
11 inches tall
15.8 depth at top
21.17 depth at bottom
64 deg angle at front

Cut list:
Box Parts (Slanted Front Prism)

1 Top: 16.17 (d) x 28.25 (b) x 0.75 (thick) in

26° cut angle (front edge only)

1 Front: 10.94 (e) x 28.25 (b) x 0.75 (thick) in

+/- 26° cut angles

1 Back: 9.5 (a) x 28.25 (b) x 0.75 (thick) in

1 Bottom: 21.17 (c) x 28.25 (b) x 0.75 (thick) in

26° cut angle (front edge only)

2 Sides: 14.58 (k), 9.5 (a), 19.22 (m) in

10.57 (n), 0.75 (thick) in

Angle g: 116°, Angle h: 64°

I emailed you the design as a .Tiff. If that doesn't work, I can print all this out, with diagrams, and fax it to you, or you could come by and pick it up.

If you really want a slant on the front and back, I can work that up, but it might not be today.

Toby

[the727kid]

TJ Elite, how much would you charge to build a ported box for a 12W7? Right now I got a very reputable out-of-state shop willing to do it for $125 shipped.

[TIM TIM TIM]

i dont know why i said i wanted ported lol. i ment i wanted sealed :lol:. thanks toby, very much.. i am also trying to think of other ways to get teh 1 cu ft sealed and still have rooms for the big ass amps

[Notladstyle]

I'm sticking to ported, sealed is not only a loss in volume but also in bandwidth no matter what way you look at it.

It might be an "acceptable" loss but I would rather have the extended low range since it apears it can be built within the same volume specs with little extra space.


727kid, 60 bucks carpited and I'll clean up your wiring for free because it will make it stop bothiering me at night (inside jk)

[the727kid]

I'm sticking to ported, sealed is not only a loss in volume but also in bandwidth no matter what way you look at it.

It might be an "acceptable" loss but I would rather have the extended low range since it apears it can be built within the same volume specs with little extra space.


727kid, 60 bucks carpited and I'll clean up your wiring for free because it will make it stop bothiering me at night (inside jk)

Lol, you guys were right on the short cuts though. I had some sound problems today, and I looked into the doors and the rear, and he didn't even re-wire the car:evil: , he hi-jacked into the Bose wiring. So that's getting re-done Friday at Audio Empire.

But damn 60 carpeted, built to JL ported specs?

[the727kid]

How much more would you charge to wire up the sub, mount down everything, and hook up a rear battery?

[GradeA_TireFryer]

he is so cheap he will probably pay you to do it!!!!

[Notladstyle]

How much more would you charge to wire up the sub, mount down everything, and hook up a rear battery?

Free, free, and 20 bucks... But I would recommend toby for the battery wiring since he has more experience with dual batteries than me - I'm a staunch supporter of battery isolators where some disagree and would rather just connect it up unseparated from the front battery.

[the727kid]

Damn folk, prices cheap as fuk! lol. I'll get at you when I get my sub. Should be soon.

[TJElite]

I'm sticking to ported, sealed is not only a loss in volume but also in bandwidth no matter what way you look at it.

It might be an "acceptable" loss but I would rather have the extended low range since it apears it can be built within the same volume specs with little extra space.


727kid, 60 bucks carpited and I'll clean up your wiring for free because it will make it stop bothiering me at night (inside jk)

How do you come up with loss of bandwidth and low range? In car, the sealed has an F3 of 5 hz. The ported will always fall dramatically below the porting frequency...in this case, 30 hz. Other than the little peak from 40-60hz, the sealed box is as loud, or louder, at all frequencies.


Toby

[TIM TIM TIM]

im not worried if one gets a little louder in a certain area.. im sure these two subs are going to be loud enough for me either way.

[Notladstyle]

How do you come up with loss of bandwidth and low range? In car, the sealed has an F3 of 5 hz. The ported will always fall dramatically below the porting frequency...in this case, 30 hz. Other than the little peak from 40-60hz, the sealed box is as loud, or louder, at all frequencies.


Toby

I had limited info to put into winisd, but with the qts I got an f3 of 45hz for sealed 1.1cuft and an f3 os 28hz for ported 1.3 cuft

[TIM TIM TIM]

well its built at 1.25 cu ft for each sub, sub takes up .20.. so i got about 1.05 cu ft right now sealed. cant wait untill next weekend when i can put some subs in it :)

[Notladstyle]

well its built at 1.25 cu ft for each sub, sub takes up .20.. so i got about 1.05 cu ft right now sealed. cant wait untill next weekend when i can put some subs in it :)

pics or BAN

[P057]

pics or BAN

Dalton, thats getting gay.

[Notladstyle]

Dalton, thats getting gay.

pics of you having gay sex or BAN.

[TIM TIM TIM]

Lol ill take some later or tomorrow, right now its just a box flat front, 15 inch bottom, 10 inch top and the back is at a 21 degree angle... subs facing back

[TBSpyder]

pics of you having gay sex or BAN.

Now, why the hell would you even want to see that???












Found a pic of you and your umbrella though....

http://graizer.net/images/Pictures/GayParade_UmbrellaGuy.jpg

[Notladstyle]

Yeah, im the fat white guy with glasses on admiring my yellow shirt... btw, how are those pink booties for walking John?

[TIM TIM TIM]

:lol:.. just got home, gonna do some more calking inside the box and then take pics.

[Notladstyle]

:lol:.. just got home, gonna do some more calking inside the box and then take pics.

silicone or BAN

[TIM TIM TIM]

silicone based calk or ban... i hase used it in every other box i made and never had a problem, so well try it again :)

[TIM TIM TIM]

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/timtimtim_photo/IMG_0411.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/timtimtim_photo/IMG_0410.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/timtimtim_photo/IMG_0409.jpg

i usually try to be a little cleaner, but i really didnt feel like it.
box is 15 deep on bottom, 10 deep on top... 28 1/4 wide total (26 + 2 1/4 for wood)
13 high


here are a few more, but not of the boxes :)
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/timtimtim_photo/IMG_0422.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/timtimtim_photo/IMG_0419.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/timtimtim_photo/IMG_0417.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/timtimtim_photo/integra008.jpg

[TIM TIM TIM]

just put 1 sub in, and damn its loud as hell, and it hits REALLY nice, very tight and clean... if i go to a meet would anyone be willing to help me tune the amp? :lol:.. there are so many catagories i dont know what is supposed to do what, im used to gain, freq and b boost.. this has eq, gain, hi pass, low pass, kompressor and somthing else, then sub catagories of slope and frequency and so on...

[P057]

this has eq, gain, hi pass, low pass, kompressor and somthing else, then sub catagories of slope and frequency and so on...

the hell is kompressor? isnt that a car and a 1 man band?

I'm sure if you head a little early to the meet you'll get some help, for the most part we are all really nice guys and love to help out.

[TIM TIM TIM]

awesome, there just in there temperary now so this meet wont be the one, although i really hope to go to this one...

btw your question about compressor is the same as mine, WTF??? lol

[Johnnyboy3689282]

just know that When you do your box, that if you want your bass to be heard for like miles away, you build the box a tad bit bigger. but if you want the clean hitting base, you should do a port on your box. but with yoursystem being in an integra, its alot harder, to make your bass be tight and hard. your really gonna have to focus on getting the bass not to cancel by putting it at the wrong angle in the vehicle, cause then its going to sound like shit, and it will not be loud at all. So i would suggest putting the subs in the box, and angleing the drivers off of your hatch, until you find the right spot on your hatch, where it will sound the best.

[Johnnyboy3689282]

i would also suggest using a nice staple gun, instead of using screws, because as time goes on, your going to have to rescrew and shit like that.

[TIM TIM TIM]

i dont want the subs facing the hatch because it is a 10 year old car and i dont want to get any leaks over time.. I also used screws because a staple, in comparison to a screw, will not hold very good. there is wood glue in there as well, but with that amount of power in a sealed box, i would rather be safe then sorry. i dont see what i wil lhave to re-screw. everything is done.

also, how does a ported box make it cleaner? if you read the rest of the post you would see the graps tjelite put up showing the 2 differant boxes. sealed is how i went, and so far, i love it

[Notladstyle]

i would also suggest using a nice staple gun, instead of using screws, because as time goes on, your going to have to rescrew and shit like that.

wtf?! are you serious? a staple will hold better than a screw?

[TIM TIM TIM]

Lol. i have stapple guns, i just assumed a screw would hold better

[P057]

Lol. i have stapple guns, i just assumed a screw would hold better

I think anyone would assume a screw would hold better........ except............=\

[TIM TIM TIM]

lol

[danaintampa]

i dont want the subs facing the hatch because it is a 10 year old car and i dont want to get any leaks over time.. I also used screws because a staple, in comparison to a screw, will not hold very good. there is wood glue in there as well, but with that amount of power in a sealed box, i would rather be safe then sorry. i dont see what i wil lhave to re-screw. everything is done.

also, how does a ported box make it cleaner? if you read the rest of the post you would see the graps tjelite put up showing the 2 differant boxes. sealed is how i went, and so far, i love it
My 2cents:
Looks good, but I would add a few screws. The spacing of the screws look pretty random and not evenly spaced. If you would rather be safe, thats what I would do.
Sealed box is more accurate than a ported box. Ported boxes put out a few decibles more, at some expense of accuracy. Ported boxes still sound really good though.

[danaintampa]

I'll rarely, if ever, 'demolish' you, as long as you bring data and / or facts, and aren't just talking out of your ass. I'll just bring my opinion, facts, and data, and we'll discuss it.

I'm assuming you're using the 9122 sub. If not, then this may not apply.

My first problem is with the lack of good TS data on these subs. All I could find was a Qts, FS, and VAS. Its enough, but I'd like to see QTS broken down into Qes and Qms, but its not a huge deal.

All that being said, your 1 cu ft, tuned to 30 is not a bad box at all. My only concern is the music type. Rock and punk tend to have bass that is much 'faster' than say, hip hop, while going just as low, if not lower. What I look at here is group delay. Basically, its a graph of how the sound coming out of the speaker mimics the input. I've posted a group delay graph of both the ported box (orange), and basically the same box, sealed (blue). On this graph, you look at both amplitude, and slope. As you can see, the sealed box not only has less delay, but it also has a lower rate of change (slope). The overall delay can effect how well the sub blends into the rest of the system, and the slope effects how well it handles transients. By 80 hz, they are about the same (basically 0), but below that, there is twice as much delay on the ported box, and the slope on both ends is much steeper. This says that the ported box will potentially be harder to blend with the rest of the system, and will struggle more with the transients. On hip hop, rap, bass, etc., you probably wouldn't notice, but on electonica, rock, punk, etc., where the bass is snappier, and changes frequency often and quickly, the ported box will get more 'one notish'...where multiple varied bass notes blend together, and become less defined.

The other graph I posted is the estimated in car response of both boxes. Again, blue is sealed, and orange is ported. You'll notice that from about 40-60hz, the ported box is about 3db louder, or twice as loud . I've disregarded everything less than 3db, as most people can't hear a change that small (technically, 3db is twice the output power, and is often cited as the smallest incremental change that the average person can hear, as for perception, 10db is considered twice as loud...another topic, for another day). So, in those frequency ranges, the ported box will be noticeably louder. Below 30 hz, the ported box starts to drop off rapidly, while the sealed continues to stay basically flat. Depending on the musical piece, there can be a lot of information down there. Much of it is felt more than heard, but its down there.

The other thing to consider is construction. Sealed boxes tend to be much easier to build, and much more forgiving when it comes to calculating volumes, etc. This can be HUGE when you're building complex shapes. Lots more goes in to building ported boxes. Also, if you go ported, you should have some sort of subsonic filter, set slightly below the port frequency, to prevent damage to the woofer. Below the port frequency, the driver unloads...that is, the excursion becomes uncontrolled, and you can have mechanical issues.

If it were me, I'd go sealed box, about 1 cu ft. per sub. The good news is that since both boxes are roughly the same size, you could build the ported one, and seal the port, if you don't like it. The ported box will be slightly larger, overall, to allow for the port, but the sealed design is flexible enough that it won't really matter. I'd spend my efforts on building the best, most durable, well sealed box I can, vs. trying to calculate exact volumes, port dimensions, port displacements, etc. I also find it easier to finish sealed boxes, since you don't have big open holes to dress. Sealed boxes are also easily tweakable...you can take volume away by putting foam blocks in it, you can change Qtc with things like polyfill, etc.

You also didn't say what you are using for the rest of the system. This can have an effect on everything from box design, to crossover frequency.

The further good news is that, I've really just wasted a lot of space with all of this. For the most part, the average person probably wouldn't hear the difference, unless you could do an a/b type test. Even then, many people wouldn't hear it. The easy construction of the sealed box puts it way ahead, here, in my opinion. I can also honestly say that I've heard very few really bad sounding sealed boxes, and most of them were either way off in size, or poorly constructed. I have, however, heard more than a couple bad sounding ported boxes.

So, did this help, or hurt? Once you make this decision, I can help you with dimensions, if you like.

Toby

I missed this before I posted. +1 all the way. It's good to see someone knows what they are talking about.

[TIM TIM TIM]

My 2cents:
Looks good, but I would add a few screws. The spacing of the screws look pretty random and not evenly spaced. If you would rather be safe, thats what I would do.
Sealed box is more accurate than a ported box. Ported boxes put out a few decibles more, at some expense of accuracy. Ported boxes still sound really good though.
so my box sucks because my screws are not spaced right :lol:

[danaintampa]

I didn't say it sucked did I? Actually I said " It looks good". I just made a suggestion. You said you glued it to be safe, but you use 6 screws on one side and like 3 on the other. I don't know how you get me saying it sucks out of what I wrote. I'll stay out of your fourms to avoid further misunderstandings.

[TIM TIM TIM]

sorry i came off like a dick, every person that looks at it tells me how i did this and that wrong on it.. yet i havent seen anything they have made any better. so i apologize.

[danaintampa]

sorry i came off like a dick, every person that looks at it tells me how i did this and that wrong on it.. yet i havent seen anything they have made any better. so i apologize.

Then "Most people" are know it all dicks. It's not wrong unless you leave it like that. I assumed it was unfinished. It would just suck to carpet it and find out later you developed a vibration of the box because you skimped on a couple screws. If it's tuned to the speakers you have to perform the way you want it to, then you did everything perfect, just need to add a few screws. That's far from me telling you it sucks.

If it truly sucked, I wouldn't say anything, unless asked for my opinion. I've had a couple of what I would now consider crappy setups over the (early) years. I'm opinionated yet humble. Everyone has an opinion, noone cares to hear most peoles opinions however, especially a negative opinion of something you put hard work into and are proud of.

I think you did a great job, look forward to seeing it when it's done.