ATTN EVENT ORGANIZERS: No More Ovals.

[Roberto Fleming]

This needs to stop. Most of the kids who goto these events are amatuers at best, and do not possess the car control to correct a problem if and when something goes wrong. I feel it is horribly negligent of the event organizers to allow most of these drivers onto the track.

The point of assumed risk on the drivers part is null, honestly 90% of these guys dont know any better. There are very little venue choices in the first place, and I applaud them for seeking a legal place to drift, but i would sadly recommend that they stay in parking lots and get tickets then chance totalling their car or injuring themselves on an oval.

So I propose to all event organizers, stop taking the easy route and doing oval events. Take the time to secure insurance, find us parking lots, find us tracks, skidpads, etc. I will gladly volunteer my time to help run the events, along with instructing, etc, as Im sure many others will.

When you wrecked, your not driving.

[dan]

word. ovals are easy for those doing beginner techniques and not going fast, but after 3 or 4 laps of some clutch kick, some go into the turn alot faster thinking they can do a higher speed one, and with higher speeds come the need for quicker and more precise corrections, and errors at higher speeds are more risk for bad things.


i always prefer dday1 style parking lot ones with cones and such, that way, even people like me who suck or want to learn can go balls to the wall without fear of hitting anything, and when you dont have the fear of crashing, you can focus more on learning and giving it all you have, IMO.

im down for helping out organize and work duty on the track as well.

[REY]

interesting

[briman06]

Rob Fleming. We have full insurance, I am putting them into driver siuts. They will go through a Safety Pre-Tech. I have Mark Guilbault as the Race Director. We are in agreement that we need to instruct the new comers to the Sport. I do not know if you have ever seen Charlotte County Speedway. It is very wide Three of my Late Models can race side by side and not have a problem.and the x is three lanes wide also. I am inviting you and your whole ENJUKU FD-1 Team to help train the futurer of your sport. We have Harbor Nissan involved along with the Florida Highway Patrol. SAFETY IS FIRST and FORMOST. CaLL ME AT 813-817-7223. I LEFT A MESSAGE will Teddy for you to call. Please HELP US GET IT RIGHT!!!!
Thanks for your concern and hope you will be part of the movement of grass roots Drifting.
Bobby Diehl

[S14_Silvia_SE]

bobby i had a great time at the track this weekend, i appreciate all you are doing, and think you have a great attitude towards drifting as a sport, again thanks, i had a lot of fun

[Roberto Fleming]

Rob Fleming. We have full insurance, I am putting them into driver siuts. They will go through a Safety Pre-Tech. I have Mark Guilbault as the Race Director. We are in agreement that we need to instruct the new comers to the Sport. I do not know if you have ever seen Charlotte County Speedway. It is very wide Three of my Late Models can race side by side and not have a problem.and the x is three lanes wide also. I am inviting you and your whole ENJUKU FD-1 Team to help train the futurer of your sport. We have Harbor Nissan involved along with the Florida Highway Patrol. SAFETY IS FIRST and FORMOST. CaLL ME AT 813-817-7223. I LEFT A MESSAGE will Teddy for you to call. Please HELP US GET IT RIGHT!!!!
Thanks for your concern and hope you will be part of the movement of grass roots Drifting.
Bobby Diehl

Mr. Diehl im speaking from a personal perspective only, as my views may/may not be shared by Enjuku. The problem is that you've got participants on an oval track that do not possess the skill level to be drifting the banks or even near them. Ive spoken to a few of the drivers, and they are fully confident in their ability to handle their cars, but unfortunately do not when things go wrong.

There is a difference in knowing how to make a car slide and control it, and the split second reaction it takes to use the cars potential to keep it off the wall when something goes wrong. There are even drivers in Formula D (not Formula Dst) that are not as capable of correcting for problems when they get themselves in over their heads. Many times it is simply overdriving ones ability.

You cannot test any potential drivers of events by letting them run around a few times, or having a buddy vouch for them. You cant test ones ability to react until they are actually in that situation, and unfortunately its too late. Mr Diehl to my knowledge there has never been a totalled car at a Florida road/kart track event, nor has their been one at a parking lot event. Yet it seems that accidents are abound ever since we started drifting ovals back in 04.

If you cant drive your car home, you cant keep learning to drift. I propose that you either limit the driving to the infield only, with no banks used, or find different safe areas to have people drift, like parking lots, or better yet, paved infields. Ill come support an event, on a personal level, if I feel its safe. I will not support unsafe events.

If there was true concern for this as a grassroots sport, and concern for the attendies, then an infield would have been paved by now. Cones bruise egos not body parts.

[Igor]

I've Driven on the Charlotte county speedway plenty of times, I think every time someone hit a wall.

I almost feel like its a matter of time before im next, every time I go out, I find myself going faster and faster, used to do it in 2nd, now in 3rd. After reading these posts, I agree with rob, too many people wreck at these events. Im ganna be taking it very easy around the oval from now on. Thanks for the eye opener.

[briman06]

Thanks Rob. Call me at 813-817-7223. We would love your direction. All I am trying to do is support the GRASS ROOTS of the NEWEST Motor Sports style of racing. I am a Auto Tech Instructor at South County Career Center. I was granted a $50,000.00 Grant (this is going to add to the $1,000,000.00 shop I have now) to develope a High Preformance High School. This will focus on Drifting and Stockcars both. We will have shock Dyno's alignment equipment, Bump Streer equipment and so on. You would be a Great Consultain for the Advistory Commitittee. Theon Saturday the Day will start at 12:00 for the Drifters. See you there. And again thanks for helping us keep it safe and Proffessional.
Bobby Diehl :)

[The Kyle]

Thanks Rob. Call me at 813-817-7223. We would love your direction. All I am trying to do is support the GRASS ROOTS of the NEWEST Motor Sports style of racing. I am a Auto Tech Instructor at South County Career Center. I was granted a $50,000.00 Grant (this is going to add to the $1,000,000.00 shop I have now) to develope a High Preformance High School. This will focus on Drifting and Stockcars both. We will have shock Dyno's alignment equipment, Bump Streer equipment and so on. You would be a Great Consultain for the Advistory Commitittee. Theon Saturday the Day will start at 12:00 for the Drifters. See you there. And again thanks for helping us keep it safe and Proffessional.
Bobby Diehl :)

Mr. Diehl,

Being an 'Auto Tech Instructor' at a trade school doesn't give you a whole lot of motorsports credibility in my book. It tells us you can change alternator belts and A/C compressors. It doesn't tell me you can run efficient, safe or succesful 'Drift' events. Running some roundy-round racing events is fine and dandy, and have a whole lot less concern because those cars are fully prepared race cars with proper roll cages and safety restraints...not stock street cars with no cages and standard 3 point belts.

One of these days one of these kids is going to wreck on an oval and either DIE or get seriously injured and everyone here will be proper fucked. Stop trying to capitalize on the 'next big thing' and just stick to what you know which is roundy-round racing.

So someone gave you a $50,000 grant to start a performance driving school. On an OVAL? Are you kidding me? I work and instruct for several HPD and Racing Schools all over the country and can promise you, no one who knows what they're doing would do anything remotely close to an oval track. (yes those 'NASCAR-Experience' programs that run on oval tracks exist, but are a terrible idea).

I don't care how much 'instruction' you want to give these kids on your track. Unless your 'school' or instruction sessions are happening in a secure parking lot or proper skid pad, you're just setting yourself up for disaster.

Now, I know that none of our posts here are going to stop you from putting these events on, but hopefully it'll wake the people up that go or consider going to your events. Someone needs to make a thread of just pictures of cars that have been wrecked and TOTALLED at oval/walled drift events, then maybe it'll turn some of these kids off to going to them.

Now, I don't care for you trying to make some cash, that's the American way...go capitalism! BUT - I have a problem with you promoting an UNSAFE event and allowing drivers to unqualified drivers to participate in them.

Hate me all you like for this post or any subsequent posts I might make, but at the end of the day, I know what I'm talking about. Racing is my job.

If you have any questions, feel free to PM me and I'll give you my office number to chat. Have a nice day.

[The Kyle]

Also,

Before someone comes in with the 'Crashing is a part of racing' argument.
(Sidenote...DRIFTING IS NOT RACING)

NO IT IS NOT.



Crashing is a byproduct of poor judgement in the cockpit. If you KNOWINGLY put someone behind the wheel of a car that doesn't understand vehicle dynamics and is ignorant to how a car is going to react on a race track and said person totals their car and injures themselves...I would hold YOU negligent and liable for that crash.

The only thing people learn when they crash is how to deal with body shops and insurance companies.

[ph0tek]

I like cheese.



and agree walls = death = fuck all events.

[briman06]

Mr. Acelera Kimi I am very impressed with your point in life. Please call me at 813-817-7223. Or post your number. I would love your input. I have been racing since the 70's. I held a SCCA Pro, IMSA GT, NASCAR, FIA Liences and own the FASTRUCK Driving School with over 900 graduates that have gone on the invovled in the world of Motor Sports. My teaching has been very sucessful as well. David Steel 2004 & 2005 USCA Silver Crown Champion (Drives for Tony Stwert), Aric Armorloa is in the NASCAR BUSCH and Craftsmen Truck Series (drivers for Joe Gibbs Racing) were my Student Asst. while they were in High School at Hillsborough SHS. Marc Davis drives for Joe Gibbs in the NASCAR DODGE Series. Mark Martin of NASCAR Fame and I develope the FASTKIDS Series. We have had over 25 magazine articles about my Series and the race car within. Latest is Stock Car Magazine "The Building of a FASTRUCK" 6 months of the Story. I have race Mazda RX7s, Corvettes, Cameros, Gt6s, Prototypes, sprint cars and many other racers in my 40 year career. But, Yes I only have the passion for the Drifting Sport. I have been very suscessfull with any thing I have taken on. I found that the strenght comes the knownledge bank of information. That is why I ask you if you would like to be part of this. We are looking at 600 acers on land on US Highway 41. This will be the site of a Mega Motor Sports Complex. Drifting will be a big part of the Future of Life. Again thanks for you input. And please call me.
PS:
Hope you can make Charlotte County Speedway this Saturday.

[ph0tek]

holy fuckin name droppin batman. but cool.

400 acre motorsport complex would be ideal for central florida and florida in general. Sounds like a good idea, but is this in the works or just a thought process now?

[The Kyle]

Mr. Acelera Kimi I am very impressed with your point in life. Please call me at 813-817-7223. Or post your number. I would love your input. I have been racing since the 70's. I held a SCCA Pro, IMSA GT, NASCAR, FIA Liences and own the FASTRUCK Driving School with over 900 graduates that have gone on the invovled in the world of Motor Sports. My teaching has been very sucessful as well. David Steel 2004 & 2005 USCA Silver Crown Champion (Drives for Tony Stwert), Aric Armorloa is in the NASCAR BUSCH and Craftsmen Truck Series (drivers for Joe Gibbs Racing) were my Student Asst. while they were in High School at Hillsborough SHS. Marc Davis drives for Joe Gibbs in the NASCAR DODGE Series. Mark Martin of NASCAR Fame and I develope the FASTKIDS Series. We have had over 25 magazine articles about my Series and the race car within. Latest is Stock Car Magazine "The Building of a FASTRUCK" 6 months of the Story. I have race Mazda RX7s, Corvettes, Cameros, Gt6s, Prototypes, sprint cars and many other racers in my 40 year career. But, Yes I only have the passion for the Drifting Sport. I have been very suscessfull with any thing I have taken on. I found that the strenght comes the knownledge bank of information. That is why I ask you if you would like to be part of this. We are looking at 600 acers on land on US Highway 41. This will be the site of a Mega Motor Sports Complex. Drifting will be a big part of the Future of Life. Again thanks for you input. And please call me.
PS:
Hope you can make Charlotte County Speedway this Saturday.


Bobby, I'm not trying to have a pissing contest with you here. Nor am I ready to start name dropping because you'll obviously have much more experience than I because I'm likely to be half your age. I just wanted to stress my concern about drifting on ovals.

If you want to do it right in safe venues, I'd consider giving my input and advice. The media is already starting to cast a bad light on the sport, all they need is some footage of some kid eating it into the wall and breaking something.

My office number is 941.729.5706, I'll be here all day. Feel free to call me if you want to discuss this further.

Kyle

[lunchbox]

i consider myself an objective person.. i spent last saturday with bobby and the rest of the people down there at charlotte county speedway. from what i saw bobby means well
and is trying his hardest to get this organized wich i think he is doing a good job of being only one man.. he isnt out to make money, belive me not one of us got charged for being there.. i like bobby and truely belive he is doing this for us.. im sure in the future if this takes off into something huge he and many others will reap the rewards of being there when it all started..and all of his efforts will pay off.. nobody does shit for free for long..

i agree alot of the kids out there shouldent be going balls out drifting ovals but bobby has been doing alot of work as far as getting other venues that are noob safe.

[briman06]

Great talking to you and there was no intent to get a drop of piss on either of us.
Thanks

[briman06]

David with the FAST Drifter Blue BMW the tires are yours (if you use them Saturday night at 7:30). Thats when the EXPO will be.Then you can leave. Call me again to pre-register. Thanks for all of you who support the FAST Drifters. We will get some Parking Lot events.
Also 2 great I have 195/60R/ 15. Remember I will be working on getting you tires. Call to pre-register TODAY!!!! This ones FREE!!!!! 813-817-7223:)

[box240mod]

OK here is how I see things, I actually agree with both sides. I'm really quite neutral, I just want events... I'm psyched just to sit in my car still after 6months lol.

I believe we do need to cut out ovals and move to other venues. I feel I don't get a 'huge' excitement from on oval to the next, don't get me wrong, I love drifting anytime but, tracks with 4 possible turns seem to lack the variables we need to accel/learn other techniques. I believe the event at the orlando lot will prove to be the most enjoyable in a long while because of the no fear of wall, and different setup possibilities.

I ALSO believe that instead of just putting bobby down everysecond about his events, take him up on his offer to lead him in the direction. As Kyle said, Bobby has more experience over the longer years he has been in it. MAYBE you guys that have some connections and can use the help of a veteran event/league/racer person like Bobby. Bobby will be the first to admit he doesn't know much about drifting but he lets us decide 90% of stuff or help him make a decision. HE JUST WANTS TO HELP, its part of being a teacher. If you dont like his events fine, tell him what venues you think we could secure as a JOINT EFFORT and maybe he can get some strings pulled that you can't reach just yet.

IMHO I think Bobby can help out the scene a lot, he has quite a rep and quite a number of friends. I think those who are in touch with venues should ask him to help you, as you teach him what he needs to know to be a drift event promoter. He is willing to do it, and his man Mark can run it outside of the oval events. He has budgeting and sponsors that can go into the new stuff. He can help the scene, he just needs direction.

If you don't try nothing will happen, if you try, something might. Hope we can open some of the kart tracks/ open lots drift friendly..... anyone talk to the airport that PCA uses for autox?....

[Roberto Fleming]

someone with so many connections should have no trouble finding safer venues for people to drive at.

sport does not grow if people wreck their cars at legal events.

[mikespeed95]

I think what Roberto Fleming is trying to say is

Ovals are fun, and have their time and place.

Oval drifting requires a lot of skill, and not possessing that skill can kill your car.

A lot of Florida Drifters dailydrive their car.

Florida people are killing their cars more than they should be at legal events due to all of them being at oval tracks.

Ovals aren't bad, but they are not beginner freindly, no matter how much you run the n00bs thru the track and at ride alongs. One goal in drifting is to get NEAR the wall. People get overexcited , inch up the track, mess up, dont konw what to do, bye bye car. You need variety to keep the events going, and you definately need a safer place for everyone. Ovals are awesome, and they have their time and place, but they should not be the only available legal drift spot. Occasionally they work awesome, but they should not be the only outlet for legal Drifting. .02

[box240mod]

someone with so many connections should have no trouble finding safer venues for people to drive at.

sport does not grow if people wreck their cars at legal events.


yes, you have a point but if you have a venue in mind, maybe he knows someone who knows someone who can help. its worth trying, nothing to lose.

[Roberto Fleming]

FYI I will not be attending this event. Dont know why people are mentioning that they heard I was, but im not, nor is bill. bill is my bitch not bobby's.

[S14_Silvia_SE]

ok so let me get this straight, you say("Roberto Fleming") there should be no drifting at ovals, we are in florida, there is little to nothing else, other than completely illegal street drifting, which not only endanges one life(drivers) much much others, and many more variables involved. At a track, oval or not, is still by far, without any question the safest environment for the driver, and anyone around, i have never seen street drifting with helmets for one, or emergency medical techs in random street drift spots. Also, even parking lots cars get totaled, its a dangerous sport, we all know that goin into it, show support, and dont attack someone who tries to get the word out, i realize you "veteran's" of this still new sport dont like it "becoming mainstream" or whatever bullshit you find to bitch about, your not gonna keep this sport down, many of us, although may not have been one of "the first 4" to drift in this area, doesnt mean we are exceeding our driving ability by driftin ovals. And just because cars get wrecked doesnt mean they "were pushing themselves too far" if you watch anyone, pro or not, everyone makes mistakes. end of my ranting for now

[Roberto Fleming]

ok so let me get this straight, you say("Roberto Fleming") there should be no drifting at ovals, we are in florida, there is little to nothing else, other than completely illegal street drifting, which not only endanges one life(drivers) much much others, and many more variables involved. At a track, oval or not, is still by far, without any question the safest environment for the driver, and anyone around, i have never seen street drifting with helmets for one, or emergency medical techs in random street drift spots. Also, even parking lots cars get totaled, its a dangerous sport, we all know that goin into it, show support, and dont attack someone who tries to get the word out, i realize you "veteran's" of this still new sport dont like it "becoming mainstream" or whatever bullshit you find to bitch about, your not gonna keep this sport down, many of us, although may not have been one of "the first 4" to drift in this area, doesnt mean we are exceeding our driving ability by driftin ovals. And just because cars get wrecked doesnt mean they "were pushing themselves too far" if you watch anyone, pro or not, everyone makes mistakes. end of my ranting for now

first off myself nor others close to me (with the exception of Durdan) dont have a problem with the sport becoming mainstream, because with anything, as it becomes more popular, it will become more mainstream. I wish the sport the best, and it hope america understands it for what it is. hell i saw the movie twice opening weekend.

Alright, second off, I said that:
"but i would sadly recommend that they stay in parking lots and get tickets then chance totalling their car or injuring themselves on an oval."

which means that regretably, in my opinion, staying in wide open parking lots without walls/barriers is far safer than being on a course with walls, even be it that it is not legal. Im not encouraging it, I would be much happier seeing events that are legal (like the DG event coming up), last time I checked a ticket is cheaper than repairing either ivans or that other kids car from last weekend. Arguing the principal here only.

and lastly, while it is part 'overdriving ones ability', i also went on to say, that most drivers do not posses the skill to react once things go wrong. and yes, many drivers do overdrive their car/ability, bill has tapped the wall at OSW, so has Harry, but both of them only lightly hit, and only because they were pushing too hard, and not because they got in trouble and panicked.

most of the local drivers who I come across can drift great. I see wonderful talent on the tracks, and I think thats awesome. Yet, most talented drifters have had little racing experience, and hence, dont know how to instinctively react when something goes wrong. Even in the pro series, sometimes guys like Rhys wreck when they are on the absolute limit, most times he can drive the car back to the pit. Then there are others that dont wreck because they were at the limit, they wreck because they panicked. They panicked because they didnt know how to react.

I dont place very high at the FD events i goto, because Im honest with myself. Ive got some skills, some instincts, and im still learning. I am a small fish in a big pond at those events, and its gonna take some time before I can keep up.

In drifting, many drivers can do very well when things are normal, but panick when something goes wrong.

[REY]

^^ Dude, OK, we get your point of view... But now you are crossing the line by saying you'd rather see them in parking lots getting tickets and whatnot.... come on now!!! Instead of saying what you said, how about pushing for a "beginner's event" or something along the lines so that people can have a legal opportunity to have track time, get experience and maybe, one day become really good at it. If people choose to sign up at an event and they wreck their car, it's their loss and it fruit of their decision. Remember, you were unsponsored at one time, a beginner.. Everyone should have the opportunity to some track experience..

[Roberto Fleming]

^^ Dude, OK, we get your point of view... But now you are crossing the line by saying you'd rather see them in parking lots getting tickets and whatnot.... come on now!!! Instead of saying what you said, how about pushing for a "beginner's event" or something along the lines so that people can have a legal opportunity to have track time, get experience and maybe, one day become really good at it. If people choose to sign up at an event and they wreck their car, it's their loss and it fruit of their decision. Remember, you were unsponsored at one time, a beginner.. Everyone should have the opportunity to some track experience..

hey rey, im not telling them that its ok or legal. im telling them that its sad that an illegal session in a large open parking lot is a better alternative to a dangerous legal one. i would hope that most people are smart enough to get my point.

your attitude is a poor one and reflects no wisdom or perspective from experience. drifting is not about signing up and wrecking, its about signing up and learning, wrecking should not be a side effect of a mistake during learning.

[REY]

your attitude is a poor one and reflects no wisdom or perspective from experience. drifting is not about signing up and wrecking, its about signing up and learning, wrecking should not be a side effect of a mistake during learning.

Talk about cheap shot.. wow! My ATTITUDE reflects the attitude of many. My comment was NOT about Wisdom or Experience but about overall demeanor and perspective. I guess I have to put it in simpler terms so that my comment is not misconstrued. What I was talking about was OPPORTUNITY. Since events are very limited, it should be UNDERSTOOD that there will be ALL classes partaking of the events...Be it car crashing beginners to God-like wannabee "pro" drivers. YOU should set a POSITIVE example and give enthusiastic helpful ADVICE and not some negative rant. This statement is NOT to be taken as a personal attack to you specifically and I don't want this to go back and forth. Any further comments directed to me should be via PM...

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[Roberto Fleming]

Talk about cheap shot.. wow! My ATTITUDE reflects the attitude of many. My comment was NOT about Wisdom or Experience but about overall demeanor and perspective. I guess I have to put it in simpler terms so that my comment is not misconstrued. What I was talking about was OPPORTUNITY. Since events are very limited, it should be UNDERSTOOD that there will be ALL classes partaking of the events...Be it car crashing beginners to God-like wannabee "pro" drivers. YOU should set a POSITIVE example and give enthusiastic helpful ADVICE and not some negative rant. This statement is NOT to be taken as a personal attack to you specifically and I don't want this to go back and forth. Any further comments directed to me should be via PM...

I am locking this thread due to it's negative undertones..... Plus, you've made your point loud and clear..

Beginners shouldnt be able to crash their cars at practice events (unless they really, really screw up), and if a practice event exists at a questionable venue, then the organizers should take the responsibility to limit who is allowed to drive on a such a venue, which sadly, none havent.

Just because something is legal doesnt mean its not dangerous. My thread also was advice based, as it was to advise event coordinators to find safer venues, and to hopefully make some of the drivers at these events aware of the dangers of driving at these facilities.

Ive been doing drifting for quite some time Rey, I love the sport, and want to protect it like many others who share the same spirit. If I have to call something out that is not safe, and speak up, its not out of hatred its out of concern. Sadly its gotten into peoples heads that crashing has to be part of the learning process, and that needs to be corrected.

And I am reopening this thread for further dicussion. Dont moderate the moderator son.

[Projekt]

i dont know about you rey.....but i would much rather do more of what i did last night then go to an oval at this point. i dont feel comfortable drifting in a closed or narrow enviroment where when a mistake is made you pay for it, id much rather do it somewhere where my mistake will only cause me to spin out or worse go off road but not damage my car or hurt myself...... this is a noob's opinion tho so dont take much of what i say to heart.

[REY]

Beginners shouldnt be able to crash their cars at practice events (unless they really, really screw up), and if a practice event exists at a questionable venue, then the organizers should take the responsibility to limit who is allowed to drive on a such a venue, which sadly, none havent.

Just because something is legal doesnt mean its not dangerous. My thread also was advice based, as it was to advise event coordinators to find safer venues, and to hopefully make some of the drivers at these events aware of the dangers of driving at these facilities.

Ive been doing drifting for quite some time Rey, I love the sport, and want to protect it like many others who share the same spirit. If I have to call something out that is not safe, and speak up, its not out of hatred its out of concern. Sadly its gotten into peoples heads that crashing has to be part of the learning process, and that needs to be corrected.

And I am reopening this thread for further dicussion. Dont moderate the moderator son.



I stand corrected

[Pineapple]

I would like to go to safer/more fun events than ovals because you learn more and no one crashes unless they overdrive themselves. Once we get regular events started up at parking lots or road courses then we can let the leash loose and start doing crazier setups. Thanks rob.

[Shinmei2006]

lol...did ya'll check out the "legal" vid that funkdouchebag put out...granted i dont think much of his drifting (not that i can do any better lol) i'd rather see them drifting in that lot than on an oval track...although i dont agree that they should be street drifting (hey guys...this is florida...we don't have touges)...even if they are "safe" and do it in a deserted area they still could potentially fuck up public property (or private lots)...so yea...ramble ramble...blah blah...i dont even know what i'm saying anymore its friggin 12:45am...

[mikespeed95]

goddamit people

listen

n00bs need a place where they CANT crash their car.

ovals do not allow this

florida needs parking lot events

your too lazy to get venues besides ovals? you think its not possible? great. im moving there next week, ill fucking do the legwork and shit and get a damn parking lot/airstrip/something that will be 100% n00b freindly so that nobody will total their car.

end thread.

[Projekt]

goddamit people

listen

n00bs need a place where they CANT crash their car.

ovals do not allow this

florida needs parking lot events

your too lazy to get venues besides ovals? you think its not possible? great. im moving there next week, ill fucking do the legwork and shit and get a damn parking lot/airstrip/something that will be 100% n00b freindly so that nobody will total their car.

end thread.

do it...............






you wont

[shift-lock]

You guys are so fucking silly.........

This is a Sport that involves people taking a 3000lb object and putting it sideways into a turn at 70mph..................


Lets Quote Society Mike from one of the EArliest Drift Society video.


IF YOU DRIFT YOU WILL CRASH, BLOW MOTORS, and BEND RIMS.................


thats the bottom line.....

Who cares what track......... Its a motorsport. Which involves crazy speeds, and car nearly in control. The bad side of our sport is if you fuck up you can die........ If you don't like the consequences don't drift....... If you can handle those consequenses then Game on........ You guys blame tracks..... You blame promoters....... When is it the Drivers responsibility to make their own decision on whether they want to risk it or not?????????????????????? If they do then who are you to say ovals shouldn't be driven. For some of us the oval stepped our game up big time cause of the fear of the wall........

I look at it this way

Oval = Half pipe in skateboarding its big and huge and if you fuck up it hurts. but it was your choice to attempt it.....

Its funny aside from KYLE all the people bitching have done shit to try and get events into Florida and MR.Flemming himself Is Guilty of Trying to Run oval Events if anyone Remembers the Failure that was auburndale.........

Quit preaching and do something supportive already...... Damn with a name like Enjuku you'd think they would have built a freaking drift park already........... Maybe would have been a better idea then building those new cars...............

[Projekt]

^ You couldnt be more wrong

Again im a noob but i know enough to know that i wont be drifting at 70 mph anytime soon. as said before an oval is for more veteran drifters. the problem is thta people who are new like me, go out and od those 70 mph drifts fuck up and end up crashing there cars. noone should be learning at that speed ever, its not fair to them or the sport. i

[shift-lock]

^ You couldnt be more wrong

Again im a noob but i know enough to know that i wont be drifting at 70 mph anytime soon. as said before an oval is for more veteran drifters. the problem is thta people who are new like me, go out and od those 70 mph drifts fuck up and end up crashing there cars. noone should be learning at that speed ever, its not fair to them or the sport. i


Then don't drift ovals.... See its your choice.........


Some wish to some don't........... Your choice....

and if your a newb and you try to enter at 70mph then you shouldn't be drifting period cause even if its a parking lot there is still objects, barriers, light poles, people to hit......

[shift-lock]

This really bothers me........

How is it the largest Drifting Related Company in florida does shit to support or construct events here in florida???????

Yet their Driver feels the need to peel apart the few events that do go on......

Maybe Rob should be using his mad Tyte Formula D skills and hook ups to provide florida with a more suitable venue for drifting events......

instead of bashing events on internet forums......

[Projekt]

ok. so when all most all of the events in florida are ovals what do you expect.

i think we all want to see at least one or two people drifting without there cars all fucking broke. quit attacking people, everyone is in here giving opinions and here you are double posting to attack someone

[Roberto Fleming]

Rob, im not going to battle with you on this. Your points are defenseive and wrong, im sorry. The track record of the events at OSW speak for themselves.

Ive told anyone who is running a good event that I will volunteer to help, and Mikespeed and I have spoken about it and I will do whatever I can to help him with finding some new venues.

Also dont bring the shop into any of this, this is my argument as stated in the first page, not Enjuku's. Dont take cheap shots at me Rob I've taken none at you.

[shift-lock]

ok. so when all most all of the events in florida are ovals what do you expect.

i think we all want to see at least one or two people drifting without there cars all fucking broke. quit attacking people, everyone is in here giving opinions and here you are double posting to attack someone


I've run events I know whats up..... I've earned the right to speak my mind....

And the attacking started way before this thread was even started...
But You are right its a difference in opinion.......

OPINION = 1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter b : APPROVAL, ESTEEM

2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b : a generally held view.


So maybe this thread shouldn't have been started he should have kept his opinion to himself??? Is that what you are telling me???

[shift-lock]

Sorry Rob i'm just over everyones attitude about the track situation in Florida.......

[Projekt]

I've run events I know whats up..... I've earned the right to speak my mind....

And the attacking started way before this thread was even started...
But You are right its a difference in opinion.......

OPINION = 1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter b : APPROVAL, ESTEEM

2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b : a generally held view.


So maybe this thread shouldn't have been started he should have kept his opinion to himself??? Is that what you are telling me???
no im saying dont attack people because they have a difference of opinion like me.

[shift-lock]

no im saying dont attack people because they have a difference of opinion like me.

So you telling me I "couldn't be more wrong"????

is not you attacking me for my opinion????????


Sounds like it to me.....

[Projekt]

So you telling me I "couldn't be more wrong"????

is not you attacking me for my opinion????????


Sounds like it to me.....

your reading way between the lines, i eplained myself for that. you responded back. but your attacking people liek fleming and enjuku because they dont get venues. i wasnt talkin about attacking me man dont worry. if you were i would have said more. im juts saying dont post to attack someone we gte your opinion and its cool if you wann back it up. just dont turn it into a personal thing liek you are.

[shift-lock]

Sorry but this is very personel for me.....

I started the OSW events back in december with the hopes of bringing a positive forward movement to the florida drift scene. I was willing to take all money made and throw it towards paving the center of the OSW track which is plenty big enough to run an event without any wall mishaps.......

You know what happened.......

Nobody got behind it................ Ok maybe like 10 or 15 people did..........

The rest of the state said fuck that.......

So this is personal cause florida lacks the unity of drifters working together... Instead they pick apart events, cars, drivers etc... like they are gods or something.. Fuck that shit..... I tried to further Floridas Drift scene and learned an important lesson...

FLORIDA WON'T work for change.... Florida wants change to happen magically on its own... Which is why this state is like 3 years behind every other state in the country....

If people would support. things would change.......

If the crowd we had for the first 2 OSW events continued we'd be driving an awesome venue every week right now...... But nope Florida fails once again...

[REY]

somehow I knew this would turn out like this.. Hence why I locked it originally.. oh well... que sera sera

[markzeronine]

They have to have someplace to cry, Rey. Atleast let them have a designated thread so they can stop fucking up others..

[shift-lock]

They have to have someplace to cry, Rey. Atleast let them have a designated thread so they can stop fucking up others..


Just like your sorry ass needs to make a useless point in some thread you have no clue about...... Whats the matter mommy isn't around to give you the attention you need????

[70ny]

i dont need events. its raining. gone driftin'.

[markzeronine]

Just like your sorry ass needs to make a useless point in some thread you have no clue about...... Whats the matter mommy isn't around to give you the attention you need????

LOL what the fuck are you talking about

[nismocoupe]

Sorry but this is very personel for me.....

I started the OSW events back in december with the hopes of bringing a positive forward movement to the florida drift scene. I was willing to take all money made and throw it towards paving the center of the OSW track which is plenty big enough to run an event without any wall mishaps.......

You know what happened.......

Nobody got behind it................ Ok maybe like 10 or 15 people did..........

The rest of the state said fuck that.......

So this is personal cause florida lacks the unity of drifters working together... Instead they pick apart events, cars, drivers etc... like they are gods or something.. Fuck that shit..... I tried to further Floridas Drift scene and learned an important lesson...

FLORIDA WON'T work for change.... Florida wants change to happen magically on its own... Which is why this state is like 3 years behind every other state in the country....

If people would support. things would change.......

If the crowd we had for the first 2 OSW events continued we'd be driving an awesome venue every week right now...... But nope Florida fails once again...


This is suaknee btw. I hear ya man. I hope you see me as one of those 10-15
people.

[nismocoupe]

Sorry but this is very personel for me.....

I started the OSW events back in december with the hopes of bringing a positive forward movement to the florida drift scene. I was willing to take all money made and throw it towards paving the center of the OSW track which is plenty big enough to run an event without any wall mishaps.......

You know what happened.......

Nobody got behind it................ Ok maybe like 10 or 15 people did..........

The rest of the state said fuck that.......

So this is personal cause florida lacks the unity of drifters working together... Instead they pick apart events, cars, drivers etc... like they are gods or something.. Fuck that shit..... I tried to further Floridas Drift scene and learned an important lesson...

FLORIDA WON'T work for change.... Florida wants change to happen magically on its own... Which is why this state is like 3 years behind every other state in the country....

If people would support. things would change.......

If the crowd we had for the first 2 OSW events continued we'd be driving an awesome venue every week right now...... But nope Florida fails once again...


This is suaknee btw. I hear ya man. I hope you see me as one of those 10-15
people. So what about drift clinics? Flat ground parking lot with cones, figure eights and basic technique practices. We need those.

[markzeronine]

I agree with that. I guess I just don't see what the problem is. I mean this guy is hosting events at his track to give people a place to run, if people are stupid enough to run their cars into the walls they shouldnt be driving anything in the first place. I dont see why he can host events at an oval track but other people can't host them in private parking lots and such. I'm also willing to help in any way I can.

[Anthony R]

I agree with that. I guess I just don't see what the problem is. I mean this guy is hosting events at his track to give people a place to run, if people are stupid enough to run their cars into the walls they shouldnt be driving anything in the first place. I dont see why he can host events at an oval track but other people can't host them in private parking lots and such. I'm also willing to help in any way I can.

+1. i aslo agree. i attended a few events, and they were alright. i do not have enough experience to do ovals, so i bagged it. on ovals one error and your car is bumped up.

[Shinmei2006]

shift lock and fleming....i think berto would kick his ass..lol

[Anthony R]

^hahaha! that's not right

[shift-lock]

+1. i aslo agree. i attended a few events, and they were alright. i do not have enough experience to do ovals, so i bagged it. on ovals one error and your car is bumped up.


not if your smart and drive with-in your abilities.....

problem is everyone always gets cocky includeing myself and begins to push harder then is necassary for their skill at the time.....

Every crash at OSW I saw happen, I knew it was going to happen b4 hand. If you don't believe me ask the track manager he was standing right there for 2 of the accidents I called out.....

You can see when someone is getting sloppy.. Its not the track its the person behind the wheel.

I crashed my car into the wall. You don't see me complaining.......... I just rebuilt and went right back out and owned that fucking turn up.... I'm a more confident driver now knowing what mistakes I made that put me into that wall. Thats part of learning to drive a Drift/Race car....

[mikespeed95]

dont take this personal, more as constructive critisism. i understand YOU are the ONE who has been diong events in florida for the last bit, and i applaud you for it.



This is a Sport that involves people taking a 3000lb object and putting it sideways into a turn at 70mph..................

really? entry speeds at chicago were highest at...62. drifting doesnt require you to teach n00bs everything starting in 3rd gear.


Lets Quote Society Mike from one of the EArliest Drift Society

wow, im sorry but lame.

IF YOU DRIFT YOU WILL CRASH, BLOW MOTORS, and BEND RIMS.................

really? ive never crashed at a non-pro event. ive never bent a rim. i have blown motors though, but thats a KA thing, not a drifting thing. teach people to add oil and keep your customer base's cars running and you *might* just have better turnout.


thats the bottom line.....

you arent the rock, i said so.

Who cares

hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrible outlook. horrible

what track......... Its a motorsport. Which involves crazy speeds, and car nearly in control. The bad side of our sport is if you fuck up you can die........ If you don't like the consequences don't drift....... If you can handle those consequenses then Game on........ You guys blame tracks..... You blame promoters....... When is it the Drivers responsibility to make their own decision on whether they want to risk it or not??????????????????????

this is stupid. this isnt fucking fight club, nutball, or shit i dont know, indycar. i hope you arent like this in person bcause i would make fun of someone for saying that shit unless they were like d1 champion who could drift irwindale at constant 100+ mph speeds while tapping the wall. nobody is gonna die drifting, or at least not with any 1/2 organized, 1/10 safe event.



your coming across really like you think you are the shit in your post. again i applaud you for stepping up to the plate when nobody else woudl and getting *some* events going, but please, remove yourself from your high horse. rob is stating that ovals are more dangerous than the average person would want, and most of you should be drifting on. wrecking cars, blowing motors, and killing yourself isnt part of a hobby. if it is and you are so hardcore, please by all means let me borrow your car, i will drain the oil, and drift it into the wall for you because i am that hardcore.



[quote]Oval = Half pipe in skateboarding its big and huge and if you fuck up it hurts. but it was your choice to attempt it.....

that actualy makes sense. now if you woudl read what everyone else is sayin in this thread it is that they agree with this statement, and we need something UNDER it in skill level, and different. do you think people skate on a halfpipe all their life and become tony hawk? dont think so.

Its funny aside from KYLE all the people bitching have done shit to try and get events into Florida and MR.Flemming himself Is Guilty of Trying to Run oval Events if anyone Remembers the Failure that was auburndale.........

im a n00b in town, but it was a simple request. some the things in this thread are silly looking at it from common senseville. people dont like wrecking their cars, people get bored with the same damn track every event. im moving to florida, i definately dont wanna drift at an oval every damn time i go drift. woo woo i did the bank, yay. gets old. is it that hard to get a parking lot and make a creative cone course ? (no) find an airstrip, kart track, road course, something? no its not. is it as easy as an oval can be to setup with logistics on bathrooms, tire changer, pits, insurance? no, but its not that hard to take care of that stuff.


all hes saying is get something besides an oval to drift on. step off your high horse, look around, and it makes sense.

again dont take it personal, but you said some really stupid stuff. if i said anythign stupid please by all means tell me and break it down for me.

see yall ******s soon.

[mikespeed95]

I agree with that. I guess I just don't see what the problem is. I mean this guy is hosting events at his track to give people a place to run, if people are stupid enough to run their cars into the walls they shouldnt be driving anything in the first place. I dont see why he can host events at an oval track but other people can't host them in private parking lots and such. I'm also willing to help in any way I can.

ive hit a wall at an oval

jr killed car at oval

rhys totalled gto at oval

taka...crashes everywhere

mattback killed car at oval

gushi...shit i lost count

hiro, calvin, dai, shit i dont even know. people hit walls when there are walls, beginners dont like this. the only people i've never seen hit anything are sam, chris forseberg, conrad, and tanner. and last time i checked florida wasnt california with a shitload of hardcore drifters with caged trailer cars to make 40 car car counts at events to practice for formula drift/d1 the next weekend. people dont liek crashing their daily drivers, or cars they dont have money to fix. this is common sense to most people, yet amazingly in this thread people arent getting it.

the reason nobody is supporting the evnets is because *gasp* they dont want to FUCK UP THEIR CAR!!!

its pathetic i have to point that out.

[shift-lock]

ive hit a wall at an oval

jr killed car at oval

rhys totalled gto at oval

taka...crashes everywhere

mattback killed car at oval

gushi...shit i lost count

hiro, calvin, dai, shit i dont even know. people hit walls when there are walls, beginners dont like this. the only people i've never seen hit anything are sam, chris forseberg, conrad, and tanner. and last time i checked florida wasnt california with a shitload of hardcore drifters with caged trailer cars to make 40 car car counts at events to practice for formula drift/d1 the next weekend. people dont liek crashing their daily drivers, or cars they dont have money to fix. this is common sense to most people, yet amazingly in this thread people arent getting it.

the reason nobody is supporting the evnets is because *gasp* they dont want to FUCK UP THEIR CAR!!!

its pathetic i have to point that out.


No Mike the point is taken and has been for years now.......

But the truth remains........ If oval is all you got and up till this month when DG managed to get the Convention center, ovals were all we had.....

Now I don't know how you southerners do it shit around here but I know back up north when something sucks we band "together" to fix the situation..Iif that means running some events at an oval to show their is enough support to move to a larger more exspensive venue then yes you need to show that support for the sport to progress......

Now that DG has the Convention Center hopefully other venues will open their eyes that is if enough spectators come to watch cause after all the spectator money is what ends up being profit for a track along with consessions and merchandise. If you can't show a larger venue that there is money to be made in those outlets then they won't let you drive the track such as Sebring, Morose, Homestead etc.....

Thats my point....... I hate OVals and walls and smashing my car as much as the next person but I take what I can get and make the most of it.....

Instead of crying about how shitty everything is.....

Do you understand my point??? Cause if not your gonna be upset when you do move down here to find out how lame everything really is........ and how unwilling tracks are to work with us.....


2ndly.... I don't know if you ever saw the OSW Track.... But its like 2 tracks in one. The bottom which has no bank and is 2 lanes wide and then the upper track.......

There is no reason in hell for a beginner to hit the wall if you stay on the bottom you have all the time in the world correct for any sill mistake......

As a matter of Fact the Only "beginner" to hit the wall was some kid who decided it would be a great idea to go way to fast on super wet pavement and slid about 80 feet up the embankment...... He shouldnt of even had a drivers license why we let him on the track well we didn't know at the time.

Everyone else who hit were intermediate to advance who knew the risk and excepted it....

So...... Nothing wrong with the track...... Its the driver again who needs to be blamed.......

[mikespeed95]

no i dont understand that point. nobody is giong to sacrifice their CAR when they can be stupid and go on the street. you dont have a point, as obviously you're ignoring the fact that your customer base relies on their cars, yet you take pride in your damaging of your property for...i dont know why the fuck you're proud of fucking up your car. i hope your not dumb enough to take your daily to a place where theres walls, but a lot of people, including myself are not compfortable with taking their daily driver to an event they might not take it back home after. some people use thier cars for transportation to things like jobs, school, freinds houses, etc. your "im hardcore and drift with walls" attitude and outlook on events is ..... stupid. and its not hard to find a parking lot/convention center/airstrip if you actually try.

[shift-lock]

no i dont understand that point. nobody is giong to sacrifice their CAR when they can be stupid and go on the street. you dont have a point, as obviously you're ignoring the fact that your customer base relies on their cars, yet you take pride in your damaging of your property for...i dont know why the fuck you're proud of fucking up your car. i hope your not dumb enough to take your daily to a place where theres walls, but a lot of people, including myself are not compfortable with taking their daily driver to an event they might not take it back home after. some people use thier cars for transportation to things like jobs, school, freinds houses, etc. your "im hardcore and drift with walls" attitude and outlook on events is ..... stupid. and its not hard to find a parking lot/convention center/airstrip if you actually try.


Cool can't wait to attend one of your events your gonna put together!! Cause parking lots and convention centers and air strips are just so easy to come by!!!!

And I do drift my daily call me stupid all you want........
Im not rich and i'm not spoiled and i'm as broke as the next fucko but I don't give a fuck.... My mentality is shit happens.... have fun...... Cars can be replaced......

Sorry you disagree

and you can make it home from any event if you use common sense and drive with in your abilities... The fact still remains 9/10 casualties invloved in crashes on ovals were intermediate to advance drivers. Not Beginners........

oh and little reminder of just how safe parking lots are!!!
http://i6.tinypic.com/142r7s6.jpg

[nismocoupe]

wow, healthy arguement that i see points on both sides

but seriously guys, if u dont know what ur getting into when u enter an event THEN DONT ENTER IT. i learned to drift at osw. did i crash?


NO

i drifted within my limits and stayed low on the track. and after a couple more events i was able to enter a little more agressively and do work on more technical aspects and tuning my skills. im not the best, and probably wont be "GOOD" for a bit, but im willing to risk my car learning for something i love to do. i would rather I CRASH into a wall at a track with help on hand. then i crash into an innocent by stander just driving home from work.

Any way we put it drifting on the streets is illegal. do i street drift? yes i do sometimes, but i know the right times and places, and i do it AWAY from anyone else in an area that im the only car or person there. i dont do it a lot, but ya i do it sometimes. but i will not ever drift openly on the streets where others can be hurt

so ur asking urself whats the moral of the story.....

drift at a level u can handle, if not prepare to face the consequences. plain and simple. u know what ur getting urself into, if not stay home dumbass

dont hate the events hate the drivers

[Projekt]

dude stop bringin up one picture of that coupe. everyone drifts in fuckin parking lots. theres not as much of a risk as when you do it in ovals tho. i hate how you keep saying that when the onyl events we have are ovals we need to do it and stop complaining. not all of us want to spend money to have our cars fucked up.

[shift-lock]

Why aren't people with major sponsorship behind them doing more to get Florida safer environments.??? With great power comes great responsibility??

Seriously Falken and Toyo and all these tire and auto companys seem to sponsor all these events else where in the states why arent the drivers who have sponsors communicating with their sponsors to get something going down here???

If little joe shmo like myself can run an event why aren't the major companies getting involved to give their customers a safe place to use the parts they just sold them.......

its not like their isn't money to be made?

[Projekt]

Why aren't people with major sponsorship behind them doing more to get Florida safer environments.??? With great power comes great responsibility??

Seriously Falken and Toyo and all these tire and auto companys seem to sponsor all these events else where in the states why arent the drivers who have sponsors communicating with their sponsors to get something going down here???

If little joe shmo like myself can run an event why aren't the major companies getting involved to give their customers a safe place to use the parts they just sold them.......

its not like their isn't money to be made?
true......lets all hope the convention center event is good and happens more often. we need shit in the tampa area tho

[kpbjls1]

I have read most of this thread and I don't see the point of this argument at all. If someone wants to risk wrecking their car then why not let them? How is this any different than telling the stock-car racers that they shouldn't be out there racing because they might get in an accident? How about a better tech inspection, maybe comparable to a certain classification of cars running the same type of speeds on the same type of tracks?

[shift-lock]

I have read most of this thread and I don't see the point of this argument at all. If someone wants to risk wrecking their car then why not let them? How is this any different than telling the stock-car racers that they shouldn't be out there racing because they might get in an accident? How about a better tech inspection, maybe comparable to a certain classification of cars running the same type of speeds on the same type of tracks?



You shouldn't drive your Daily driver to work anymore... All those walls, guardrails, drunk drivers, and curbs might total it........

Lock that bitch up in the garage cause Floridas Auto Accident Statistics speak for themself!!

[The Kyle]

You shouldn't drive your Daily driver to work anymore... All those walls, guardrails, drunk drivers, and curbs might total it........

Are you kidding me Rob?

Don't be bitter because of all of this anti-oval discussion.

I'm done with all of this, everyone is acting like children and bickering back and forth. Everyone drop it, go smoke a cigarette or have a stiff drink and just relax. Arguing on the internet doesn't mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.

Kyle

[florida fail]

i still stand by what i said nearly a year ago.
"if you are comfortable in the fact that there is much greater chances of wrecking your car on an oval, than more power to you. but for beginners, the price of a mistake shouldnt be not having a car anymore." " sure sometimes it isnt a big deal to rebuild another car, but isnt it alot easier to just not have to?"

[mranlet]

Setting up drift events in FL isn't as easy as calling up X venue and picking a date. Florida is developing and all the venue owners I've talked to are either aware of how much their property is worth, or they think it's worth way more than it is.

"Footwork" is more like "Marathoning" here - I called and Emailed over 30 places with DGtrials before landing the Orange County Convention Center. Over the past few months I've seen people post lists of Florida tracks and autocross locations, and at times I was able to name the person who I talked to and the reason that they didn't want to host drifting for each and every location. I'm not, by any means, implying that other people can't get stuff done (I know that both of the Robs in this thread do what they put their mind to), but I am saying that acquiring a place to play is more difficult than most people think.

I'd much rather that people do their drifting in places where they are less likely to hit stuff, and we've been trying to bring that back for quite a while now.

If we hope to get more and better venues, drifting needs to keep a fairly clean reputation. It's a tough sell when your sport is known for being wreckless and full of crashes. Having OCCC in the books will be an awesome reference for the future...

[Projekt]

curbs suck.....walls suck.....end of story

more info to coem as to why i say this

[???]

i'm starting to understand florida fail now..




and damn does it really fail!!

[Projekt]

yes it does......yes it does

[mikespeed95]

I have read most of this thread and I don't see the point of this argument at all. If someone wants to risk wrecking their car then why not let them? How is this any different than telling the stock-car racers that they shouldn't be out there racing because they might get in an accident? How about a better tech inspection, maybe comparable to a certain classification of cars running the same type of speeds on the same type of tracks?

nobody is saying get rid of ovals alltogether, but the point trying to be made is EVERY event apparantly has been an oval. and for the poor college people who cant afford to risk their car because they hold a job, and are in school full time it really doesnt offer themselves a place to fully push themselves in a (to them) safe environment.

stock cars are trailered to the track, and are not a make/break point of someones life. most drifters do daily their cars, and drive them to work etc, just like auto-x'ers. some people, including myself are just stating that florida needs more events where you can be pushing your car well past its limits, and if you fuck up you at worst *gasp* hit a cone.

a parking lot event shoudl NEVER see anyone hit a poll. that car that shift-lock posted was wrecked on the STREET IIRC is that correct? what LEGAL SANCTIONED event was that car wrecked at?

[shift-lock]

Watch This video then Discuss......


http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=456800063&n=2


And everyone knows we need more NON-oval events.. Its common sense...

But the point still remains tracks or parking lots are very very very scarce in florida and up till this month haven't been obtainable.

So you need to use what you got to build a following to "show" the tracks or owners of the lot/track that money can be made...... thats all im saying..... Work with what you have........... You don't have to hit the wall if you don't drive like a moron......Just like driving a car down the road. Make a poor choice end up fucked.. Pay attention and be alert and you'll get home safely....

[The Kyle]

Watch This video then Discuss......


http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=456800063&n=2


How often does that happen compared to how often cars wreck drifting on ovals? Stop trying to justify it, it's not working.

[Projekt]

you wanna know what happens when you hydorplane into a curb? when you dont try to drift but your too much of a noob to fix it? the same thing that happens when you drive into a wall...shit breaks need proof

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/R34LLYGOOD/Car%20Pics/Curb%20Check/100_1524.jpg

stop trying to say that people wotn break stuff if they drive to there level i was driving below my level not trying to drift just goign around a corner and the tires broke loose because i hit a puddle of water. one small factor came in and now my shit is broke. things happen on the track it may not always be driver error........

[2kSnakeater]

I have a serious question for the thread starter:

why do you care? let the mAd TyTe JdM DrIfTeRs drift where they want, if they break something sucks for them.

[mikespeed95]

You don't have to hit the wall if you don't drive like a moron......Just like driving a car down the road. Make a poor choice end up fucked.. Pay attention and be alert and you'll get home safely....


so your calling rhys millen, ken gushi, jr gitten moron drivers?

hitting the wall WILL happen if you push it on an oval. florida doesnt really have any other events where people CAN push thier cars to the LIMIT WITHOUT RISKING WHAT MAKES THEIR DAY TO DAY GRIND POSSIBLE. some people RELY on having a working form of transportation. some people are paying their way thru school, paying for their car, tires, gas, rent, food, clothes, everything and CANT risk losing their car, which makes school, job, everything possible.

you say we need more parking lots, then what the fuck are you arguing? were not saying omit ovals completely, but have events OTHER than ovals in ADDITION to the ovals

what the hell is your problem with this? nobody is saying get rid of them altogether, but for the people who CANNOT LOSE THEIR ONLY TRANSPORTATION which also doubles as a drift car, and cannot lose it, they need a place to play. and honestly ovals get old. what i do not understand is howyou say "everyone knows florida needs more non oval events its common sense" then what the hell are you trying to prove?

nobody should be able to hit anything at a properly setup, and safe parking lot event. shit does happen, but its due to poor planning and lack of safety, or just a crappy lot.

[mikespeed95]

I have a serious question for the thread starter:

why do you care? let the mAd TyTe JdM DrIfTeRs drift where they want, if they break something sucks for them.

why dont you put your ls1 in a car that doesnt wiegh 3500 lbs and has shitty suspension?

why is the sky blue?

why is the grass green?

why do black people hate bill cosby but like chicken?











maybe because he cares about his freinds having a place to drift without them having to worry about totalling their car if they do decide to push their car to the limits at a (crazy i know) legal drift event and he would like to try to get events organized that anyone can go to without worrying if it will end up adversely affecting their day to day life which may make them decide not to go, which sucks, because as a lot of people in this thread already know, drifting is a shitload of fun and should be something that anyone can try out without having to worry about any negative effects from it.

see in example

i want to go auto-x, if i dont like it oh well

i want to go drift, but if i fuck up trying to learn i lose my car

understand?

[2kSnakeater]

so your calling rhys millen, ken gushi, jr gitten moron drivers?

hitting the wall WILL happen if you push it on an oval. florida doesnt really have any other events where people CAN push thier cars to the LIMIT WITHOUT RISKING WHAT MAKES THEIR DAY TO DAY GRIND POSSIBLE. some people RELY on having a working form of transportation.
THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU DRIFTING YOUR ONLY CAR??
some people are paying their way thru school, paying for their car, tires, gas, rent, food, clothes, everything and CANT risk losing their car, which makes school, job, everything possible.
THEN DONT DRIFT THE ONLY CAR YOU HAVE!

you say we need more parking lots, then what the fuck are you arguing? were not saying omit ovals completely, but have events OTHER than ovals in ADDITION to the ovals

what the hell is your problem with this? nobody is saying get rid of them altogether, but for the people who CANNOT LOSE THEIR ONLY TRANSPORTATION which also doubles as a drift car, and cannot lose it, they need a place to play.
NO THEY DONT, THEY NEED TO GET THEIR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT AND GET A BETTER PAYING JOB SO THEY CAN AFFORD THIS "HOBBY"
and honestly ovals get old.

what i do not understand is howyou say "everyone knows florida needs more non oval events its common sense" then what the hell are you trying to prove?

nobody should be able to hit anything at a properly setup, and safe parking lot event. shit does happen, but its due to poor planning and lack of safety, or just a crappy lot.

Dude, I dont care if your the Kind Mad Drifter, this entire last post you just did was the most moronic post I have ever seen, who in their right mind goes out and tries to kill their only transportation? I know I raced a little bit when I had my old camaro, but I never EVER did ANYTHING that would damage it so I would be stuck walking to work.

[hachibill]

[QUOTE=shift-lock]not if your smart and drive with-in your abilities.....



let me ask you this...... unless your a professional race car driver, or have gone threw some kind of race school or trainiing, how in the hell are you supposed to know where your ablities lie. non of these people doing your events have a clue how not to drive beyond their abilites, this includes you too.

there's an old saying you should listen too.

you need to crawl before you can walk, and you need to walk before you can run. you can't start off just running, it doesn't work like that.

[ph0tek]

you fall, and skin your knees.

Then uncle Trevor gives you his make all better juice and you really dont remember much after that.

[mranlet]

THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU DRIFTING YOUR ONLY CAR??
...
THEN DONT DRIFT THE ONLY CAR YOU HAVE!
...
THEY NEED TO GET THEIR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT AND GET A BETTER PAYING JOB SO THEY CAN AFFORD THIS "HOBBY"
You don't get it.

Tell a stunter that he doesn't need to be stunting, or that he shouldn't stunt on his only bike, or that he needs to get his priorities straight and make more money in another job before he keeps stunting and you'll be lucky if you don't get your ass kicked.

Again, you don't get it, it's not your discussion.

[2kSnakeater]

stunter is different, its a bike, you still have a car that you take to work, your tring to compare apples to oranges.

and I know its not my desition, personaly I dont care if you drift and destroy your only car and you get evicted from your home because you cant pay the bills because you killed the only way you can get to work. I was just wondering why does the thread starter care if these noobs drift on an Oval?

[ph0tek]

^take your fuckin apples elsewhere.

I like oranges.

[2kSnakeater]

^ boobs........

[ph0tek]

yes, boobs.

[mranlet]

stunter is different, its a bike, you still have a car that you take to work, your tring to compare apples to oranges.

and I know its not my desition, personaly I dont care if you drift and destroy your only car and you get evicted from your home because you cant pay the bills because you killed the only way you can get to work. I was just wondering why does the thread starter care if these noobs drift on an Oval?
Stunting is different yes, but it's still a passion. Insert whatever sport you want in my example: skateboarding, drag racing, sword swallowing, whatever.

People care because they don't want their friends and fellow drifters to get hurt/fucked. Friends don't let friends drift ovals.

[ph0tek]

mmm strawberry shake goodness for lunch.....

[Projekt]

mmm strawberry shake goodness for lunch.....
sounds good...hows the tooth feeling? (or lack of)

[ph0tek]

much better than yesturday.

wewt for doctors with pliers and big fuckin balls to attempt that on me.

[mikespeed95]

Dude, I dont care if your the Kind Mad Drifter, this entire last post you just did was the most moronic post I have ever seen, who in their right mind goes out and tries to kill their only transportation? I know I raced a little bit when I had my old camaro, but I never EVER did ANYTHING that would damage it so I would be stuck walking to work.

are you fucking stupid?

you just AGREED with my entire argument.

[Projekt]

are you fucking stupid?

you just AGREED with my entire argument.
smack him.......

[Roberto Fleming]

wow, now im going to close this because im amazed at people and their intelligence levels.