why do people put 10x's more subs then they need?

[TIM TIM TIM]

So many people have 5+ 10's or 12's in there car... and then you find out what kind, and there all complete JUNK.. i dont understand why they dont just get 1-2 nice sounding speakers... WHHHHYYYY? someone help me make sence of this.

[kpr10is]

I dunno what your talking about, I did 6 Visonik 12s in a Town Car the other day that pwned all.

[TBSpyder]

It's the "bigger is better" belief. I think alot people do it just for the "wow" factor of having more subs than one is use to seeing, even if they are $50 subs. Eye candy. While others are simply uneducated, and don't understand that in car audio, quality comes before quantity. Funniest part is when they think they can run all those subs off a single Boss 500w amp.

[TIM TIM TIM]

:lol: i deffinatly agree about the running them all of one amp... I really cannot stand when people come into CC wanting to buy 4 sony xplode 12's and say that none of our amps are strong enough to push them because there 1200 watts each.. :roll: first off, why not do 2 decent subs??? get the mtx 5500 or 7500's, or the cvr or l5-l7, or maybe the eclipse subs.. second, go learn about car audio.. PEAK MEANS NOTHING, our 1200 watt kicker amp would easily pwn all the sonys you can throw at it!

[Notladstyle]

:lol: i deffinatly agree about the running them all of one amp... I really cannot stand when people come into CC wanting to buy 4 sony xplode 12's and say that none of our amps are strong enough to push them because there 1200 watts each.. :roll: first off, why not do 2 decent subs??? get the mtx 5500 or 7500's, or the cvr or l5-l7, or maybe the eclipse subs.. second, go learn about car audio.. PEAK MEANS NOTHING, our 1200 watt kicker amp would easily pwn all the sonys you can throw at it!

Kenwood amp? Kicker L7?!?!?!


Eclipse is ok tho.

[TIM TIM TIM]

i never said kicker was teh best... but comparing sony to kicker, id say kicker pretty much wins hands down.

[integralsgreen]

people think hey its cheaper so i can buy more of them. 5 10s thats like 50 inches of cone space, that should piss off the neighbors. and then theres the ebay wholesale deals where you get like 5 shitty speackers for really cheap. mainly id say its because thos people dont know anything about audio and take quantity over quality. some people are completely tone deff and they cant tell the differance between clean bass and a blown speaker...kinda like how a painter can see a blended repair as where a avarage person off the street would look at it and say daymn you cant even tell there was a repair there. ill admit i used to be one of thos ignorant dumasses but ive really learned alot through you guys and thats why i love the ahq fourm. im a fabricator not a electrial genious, but i defentally get by with the stuff ive learned here in ahq

[93ex]

Hate to play devils advocate, but surface area and excursion... can get awfully loud, but yes, it sounds like anus. But they dont want SQ..it's about loud and rattling the shit in my medicine cabinet when they come home and park alongside the road facing my house :mad:

[GradeA_TireFryer]

i like the funny, tingle the bass leaves in my stones!!!!!

[m0nk3y]

you dont know bout my 10 mtx 8's... one 80w jensen amp. those fuckers hit HARD.

[Notladstyle]

ehh the 05 & 06 lineup for sony are pretty nice sq wise. They still have ridiculous RMS ratings. But I would take a high end sony sub over a kicker cvr any day.

[TIM TIM TIM]

what high end sony???? there is such thing?? i would MUCH rather the kicker over any sony... its not my style, but for the average kid that listens to rap i dont think there to bad. there just very sloppy IMO which is perfect for rap.

[TIM TIM TIM]

at CC we have 2 sony 12's on display in a sealed box. they sound like ASS. complete ASS. you give them any power and they sound like there going to fall apart... we have one infinity reference 12' on the other side that blows them out of the water in loudness and clarity, and its cheaper!

[TBSpyder]

Haven't seen the new Sony stuff yet, but I gotta say, I'd take Kicker over Sony anyday on just the name alone. The CVR may be a sloppy sub, but it can also be pretty loud...I've yet to see a "loud" Sony sub. Their amps are huge and cheap looking. And their decks are overly flashy with a bunch of useless features, like their trying to appeal to a teenage girl.

[scrapin_honda]

I Have Four Twevles In A Wall In A 93 Honda Civic And I Am Usinf A Hifonics Brutus Two Power Them All They Are Very Loud

[TBSpyder]

I Have Four Twevles In A Wall In A 93 Honda Civic And I Am Usinf A Hifonics Brutus Two Power Them All They Are Very Loud

Let's hope so. 48" of cone space in a Civic? That should be rattling your teeth. What kind of subs? Got pics?

[TIM TIM TIM]

4 12's in a civic is retarted IMO. if they are 4 GOOD subs, then props to you, but if there 4 shitty ones... RETARTED

[93ex]

4 12's in a civic is retarted IMO. if they are 4 GOOD subs, then props to you, but if there 4 shitty ones... RETARTED


Almost as bad as spelling retarded wrong. TWICE.

Could be 4 shitty subs, sounds like crap but gets loud. That is the entire purpose. Some people dont want SQ, some just want the loudest car on the block, and they dont care about brand or whatever. most of the g-rides around here have bullet tweeters everywhere and sound like pure crap. But I sure hear them 1/4 mile away. And thats what they want.

[integralsgreen]

Haven't seen the new Sony stuff yet, but I gotta say, I'd take Kicker over Sony anyday on just the name alone. The CVR may be a sloppy sub, but it can also be pretty loud...I've yet to see a "loud" Sony sub. Their amps are huge and cheap looking. And their decks are overly flashy with a bunch of useless features, like their trying to appeal to a teenage girl.
i like useless features :P

[TBSpyder]

It's called being tone def. Must be nice too, you don't need to spend bucket loads of money on quality equipment. Some people are simply impressed by "loud" no matter how it sounds.

[P057]

Oh lord i hope that was a joke

[Notladstyle]

Haven't seen the new Sony stuff yet, but I gotta say, I'd take Kicker over Sony anyday on just the name alone. The CVR may be a sloppy sub, but it can also be pretty loud...I've yet to see a "loud" Sony sub. Their amps are huge and cheap looking. And their decks are overly flashy with a bunch of useless features, like their trying to appeal to a teenage girl.

They actually used aluminum in the sub.. I didnt get that. I wouldnt compare them to a type R but they are on par with kicker CVRs now.

Shhhh, my wife had an orgasm when she got her 5700 with the color changing screen...

[custom240sx]

Wow I can't believe you think Sony's are better than Kicker...WOW...thats all I can really say...well anyway...Kicker Lows with Polk highs is about the nicest sounding system you can get so long as you have a good Kenwood or Eclipse head to push them with. A system with 2 sealed 12" CVRS a 600.1 a 650.4 with polk 6 1/2 components in front with like polk 6 1/2's in rear with stinger wiring and a Eclipse or Kenwood Excelon head and a good capacitor and dry cell battery would be perfect for just about anything you can throw at it...that's basically a great setup for any audio enthusiast not looking for 8 15"s in their car. Just my .02!

[Honda_Quaalude86]

I gots me 1 kicker Impulse 12" in my car...got a free amp from my dads mechanic:mullet:...and it was like 210 watts i think? makes the sub hit so hard i can rattle the windows at my shop :lol:......and about sound quality...it sounds damn good..no distortion and no static clean bass with clean sound comming out of my mids and highs... I got some Polk door speakers ill be puting in soon and that should make it sound a lil better....And kicker is way better than some shitty sony stuff....kicker hits harder and dosent break when you push it...i like it for a few bucks and a free amp you cant beat pissing off the neighbors...till the fuckers steal your amp...:mad: RULE NUMBER 1 TURN OFF STERIO BEFORE PULLING INTO YOUR SUB DEVELOPMENT..... :nerd:

[93ex]

:mad: RULE NUMBER 1 TURN OFF STERIO BEFORE PULLING INTO YOUR SUB DEVELOPMENT..... :nerd:

That should just be common sense. I know I cant stand when everybody cruises by my house trying to win the next spl competition, So I dont do it either, theives or not, golden rule style.

[Honda_Quaalude86]

True about the style thing...but im not trying to win any sound compotion i just like to list to my music from point A to point B.....it is anyoing to have some one pound out side your house..but i dont realy care if there just passing by...so i dont do anything to people that i wouldnt mind being done to me...some people are just idiots..and cant have enugh Patients to her bump bump bump for like 2 seconds...other than that i dont sit parked with the sterio blasted to a million db in front of anyones house...That would be having no style..

[03AcuraCLTypeS]

I have 2 total 12", 2 total 6x9 2 total 6.5" 1 total tweeters, and 1 MB quarts (my totals died for some reason and i dont have enough time to get them back in b4 the show next weekend)... i have 1 440 watt amp and 2 500 watt amps all professionally tuned and installed... even went as far as putting it on an RTA meter...retail with install is about 6-7K (i didn't pay that but u know), thats the kinda set up it takes to have a truely good qualisy sound system.. i mean i can hear them plucking the guitar strings as they play...thats the kinda stuff it takes to get a competitive sound system... and its still has plenty of bass...so yeah those who spend a shit load of money on crappy speakers b.c they can get 30 of them for the price i paid for mine are dumb..especially if they ever want to compete in any kind of competition.

[Notladstyle]

Wow I can't believe you think Sony's are better than Kicker...WOW...thats all I can really say...well anyway...Kicker Lows with Polk highs is about the nicest sounding system you can get so long as you have a good Kenwood or Eclipse head to push them with. A system with 2 sealed 12" CVRS a 600.1 a 650.4 with polk 6 1/2 components in front with like polk 6 1/2's in rear with stinger wiring and a Eclipse or Kenwood Excelon head and a good capacitor and dry cell battery would be perfect for just about anything you can throw at it...that's basically a great setup for any audio enthusiast not looking for 8 15"s in their car. Just my .02!

Polk mids suck and kicker subs suck. If thats your idea of a good sounding system you must dig loud rattling crap with no cleanliness or accuracy of reproduction. Sony subs are no where near something I would curse on anyone but theyr 06 line seiously beats the only pentagon P5s that sounded like ass even in a sealed box. They are right on par with kickers shitty smack and rumble approach of throwing as much excusion as you can with no consideration for cone resonance or proper decay slopes.

I have kenwood excellon headunit, 4ch amp, and mids and a diamond D312 on a polk momo amp and I am barely satisfied ith the sound quality the mids put out.

thats my .02

[Notladstyle]

I have 2 total 12", 2 total 6x9 2 total 6.5" 1 total tweeters, and 1 MB quarts (my totals died for some reason and i dont have enough time to get them back in b4 the show next weekend)... i have 1 440 watt amp and 2 500 watt amps all professionally tuned and installed... even went as far as putting it on an RTA meter...retail with install is about 6-7K (i didn't pay that but u know), thats the kinda set up it takes to have a truely good qualisy sound system.. i mean i can hear them plucking the guitar strings as they play...thats the kinda stuff it takes to get a competitive sound system... and its still has plenty of bass...so yeah those who spend a shit load of money on crappy speakers b.c they can get 30 of them for the price i paid for mine are dumb..especially if they ever want to compete in any kind of competition.

"Total" and "truely good qualisy sound system"

??!?!??!??!???!?!??! :serious: what salesman told you that?

[scrapin_honda]

4 12's in a civic is retarted IMO. if they are 4 GOOD subs, then props to you, but if there 4 shitty ones... RETARTED once again someone with 2 12s wants to try and say he knows more than the guy with the wall.yess i will be the first to say that rattle happens.but i wont lie like most of you do that dynamt helps it only absorbs sound,and absorbs means less dbs,so why must you sq kids dare say anything about us spl people when we live in two different worlds.very few spl people come on here and point out that sq is not loud,which is true.so why must you hate on us?you guys we live in 2 different worlds dont hate on us,because you dont understand us.

[scrapin_honda]

I have 2 total 12", 2 total 6x9 2 total 6.5" 1 total tweeters, and 1 MB quarts (my totals died for some reason and i dont have enough time to get them back in b4 the show next weekend)... i have 1 440 watt amp and 2 500 watt amps all professionally tuned and installed... even went as far as putting it on an RTA meter...retail with install is about 6-7K (i didn't pay that but u know), thats the kinda set up it takes to have a truely good qualisy sound system.. i mean i can hear them plucking the guitar strings as they play...thats the kinda stuff it takes to get a competitive sound system... and its still has plenty of bass...so yeah those who spend a shit load of money on crappy speakers b.c they can get 30 of them for the price i paid for mine are dumb..especially if they ever want to compete in any kind of competition. and what world do u live in that therew are people with 30 subs driving around in??i mean how many 30 sub setups have you seen?? where do you get this number??i think if you would look you would realize alot of these setups are 4 subs.thats about 26 short of 30...and 6-7k on 2 12s and mids and highs??unless your going to win trophies in sound quality,that is KRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TBSpyder]

once again someone with 2 12s wants to try and say he knows more than the guy with the wall.yess i will be the first to say that rattle happens.but i wont lie like most of you do that dynamt helps it only absorbs sound,and absorbs means less dbs,so why must you sq kids dare say anything about us spl people when we live in two different worlds.very few spl people come on here and point out that sq is not loud,which is true.so why must you hate on us?you guys we live in 2 different worlds dont hate on us,because you dont understand us.


Dynamat absorbs sound and that means less dbs? That's wierd because I can't say I've ever seen a decrease in dbs from any vehicle I've ever installed dynamat. Vibrating panels is the result of lossed decibels. Every vibrating/flexing panel in a vehicle is a source of lossed dBs. Any actual competitor, SQ or SPL, knows this.

[Notladstyle]

once again someone with 2 12s wants to try and say he knows more than the guy with the wall.yess i will be the first to say that rattle happens.but i wont lie like most of you do that dynamt helps it only absorbs sound,and absorbs means less dbs,so why must you sq kids dare say anything about us spl people when we live in two different worlds.very few spl people come on here and point out that sq is not loud,which is true.so why must you hate on us?you guys we live in 2 different worlds dont hate on us,because you dont understand us.

SQ and loudness go hand in hand

SPL is just fart. and annoying me with the boom while im fucking my wife.

thats the world I live in :D

[TIM TIM TIM]

Dynamat absorbs sound and that means less dbs? That's wierd because I can't say I've ever seen a decrease in dbs from any vehicle I've ever installed dynamat. Vibrating panels is the result of lossed decibels. Every vibrating/flexing panel in a vehicle is a source of lossed dBs. Any actual competitor, SQ or SPL, knows this.
I couldnt agree more... the bass its louder with the car dynomatted, as well as it sounds better. by the way, were talking about INSIDE the car, outside may be a differant story.. and "you spl guys" obviously dont know to much about car audio, i can promis you that there are clean sounding subs just as loud, if not louder then the garbage you guys have in your cars now..

[GradeA_TireFryer]

Wait A Minute I Want In On This...................
You Dont Know Loud Until You Have Owned A 164+ Db Vechile, Real Spl Competators Set There System To Be The Loudest With The Window/doors Closed (not Real Loud Outside) - Those Rattle Trap Pos Driving Around Dont Deserve To Be Classified As A Spl Car!!!!!!!!!! How About A Annoying Pieces Of Sh**!!

[Eclipse99RS]

once again someone with 2 12s wants to try and say he knows more than the guy with the wall.yess i will be the first to say that rattle happens.but i wont lie like most of you do that dynamt helps it only absorbs sound,and absorbs means less dbs,so why must you sq kids dare say anything about us spl people when we live in two different worlds.very few spl people come on here and point out that sq is not loud,which is true.so why must you hate on us?you guys we live in 2 different worlds dont hate on us,because you dont understand us.

To prove my point that he thinks he knows more about this than anyone else, and all just because he has a wall. You act like we care that you have a wall. I know someone that had a wall of 8 of the old school RF subs, in a 90' VW GTI. So does that mean he knows more than you? Cause if he doesn't then i guess no one knows more about car audio than you. So from now on, no one is allowed to answer any technical questions in the Audio HQ cause your wrong. This guy knows the answers to everything.

[TBSpyder]

once again someone with 2 12s wants to try and say he knows more than the guy with the wall.yess i will be the first to say that rattle happens.but i wont lie like most of you do that dynamt helps it only absorbs sound,and absorbs means less dbs,so why must you sq kids dare say anything about us spl people when we live in two different worlds.very few spl people come on here and point out that sq is not loud,which is true.so why must you hate on us?you guys we live in 2 different worlds dont hate on us,because you dont understand us.


I'm sorry dude, but being some kid stuck with some clunker and a bunch of cheap subs in a wall does not make you an "spl guy". The spl guys I know have 10's of thousands of dollars into their vehicles, a boat load of knowledge, and the trophys & awards to prove it. Sure, SQ and SPL are two different worlds, but you live in neither of them.

[scrapin_honda]

I'm sorry dude, but being some kid stuck with some clunker and a bunch of cheap subs in a wall does not make you an "spl guy". The spl guys I know have 10's of thousands of dollars into their vehicles, a boat load of knowledge, and the trophys & awards to prove it. Sure, SQ and SPL are two different worlds, but you live in neither of them. ok,lets see yes i have been part of a vehicle that did a 163 with joe casper at sound express on hillsborough.also i was part of a mmats van that we built at sound express that was doing a 168.3 on the meter.so yes i live in a spl world.and my honda is not a clunker,it is very clean,and no a wall doesnt always mean i know more,but it damn sure means im louder than someone jammin out of their trunk.yes i was making fun of the guy who paid $1500 for a 3,000 watt amp.and what spl guys do you know??steve cook??krik from divine sounds??big mike at radioactive who built the green kicker van?Alma Gates who let me a couple of friends get their hands on kicker l7gs,with her name signed on the back?o,or maybe ed or jethro eason who if you dont know of you dont know car audio.But thats ok guys,your right i know nobody.lol

[TBSpyder]

ok,lets see yes i have been part of a vehicle that did a 163 with joe casper at sound express on hillsborough.also i was part of a mmats van that we built at sound express that was doing a 168.3 on the meter.so yes i live in a spl world.and my honda is not a clunker,it is very clean,and no a wall doesnt always mean i know more,but it damn sure means im louder than someone jammin out of their trunk.yes i was making fun of the guy who paid $1500 for a 3,000 watt amp.and what spl guys do you know??steve cook??krik from divine sounds??big mike at radioactive who built the green kicker van?Alma Gates who let me a couple of friends get their hands on kicker l7gs,with her name signed on the back?o,or maybe ed or jethro eason who if you dont know of you dont know car audio.But thats ok guys,your right i know nobody.lol

You were a part of? What's that mean, you hung around the shop and bugged the installers a couple times a week? I'm sure everyone on this forum could name a bunch of names, and brag about other people's systems. You said you were an "spl guy" though. What are you running? What are you hitting? Are you willing to come out to the next audio meet and back up your babbling?

[scrapin_honda]

You were a part of? What's that mean, you hung around the shop and bugged the installers a couple times a week? I'm sure everyone on this forum could name a bunch of names, and brag about other people's systems. You said you were an "spl guy" though. What are you running? What are you hitting? Are you willing to come out to the next audio meet and back up your babbling?ACTUALLY MY LAST SYSTEM DID DO A 147.3 OUT THE TRUNK WITH 2 15S N A SEALED BOX.BUT THE NEW BOX WILL BE TURNING PROBABLY MID 150S,SO ONCE IM DONE I HAVE NO PROBLEM SHOWING YOU KIDS WHATS UP.

[P057]

It's hilarious when people fight and their spelling, grammer, and overall cohesiveness goes down the toilet.

[GradeA_TireFryer]

ACTUALLY MY LAST SYSTEM DID DO A 147.3 OUT THE TRUNK WITH 2 15S N A SEALED BOX.BUT THE NEW BOX WILL BE TURNING PROBABLY MID 150S,SO ONCE IM DONE I HAVE NO PROBLEM SHOWING YOU KIDS WHATS UP.

like to see 2 15's do 147.3, do your math not possible!!! not enough cone area - and they dont make a speaker that can handle that much power,
I know most of the guys you mentioned, old school, infact I have trained a few of them back in late 80's.. but who lately around here has a true spl car???
I think the shop in oldsmar is great for offering a spl contest ever month, I think we should support him and make his business grow, these other shops wont even give you the time of day anymore if you dont have a handful of cash to spend right now......

[scrapin_honda]

last time i talked to jethro eason which was yesterday he said he was bringing his new van to daytona.so i wouldnt say he is not active.big mike at radioactive has 4 vehicles that will be at spring break,and sent two vehicles to SEMA so id say hes still active too.and yes casper has disappeared but no one can find him,not only me.lol.

[TIM TIM TIM]

like to see 2 15's do 147.3, do your math not possible!!! not enough cone area - and they dont make a speaker that can handle that much power,
I know most of the guys you mentioned, old school, infact I have trained a few of them back in late 80's.. but who lately around here has a true spl car???
I think the shop in oldsmar is great for offering a spl contest ever month, I think we should support him and make his business grow, these other shops wont even give you the time of day anymore if you dont have a handful of cash to spend right now......
as much as i agree with your arguement in other areas.. i have personally watched 1 15 do 146 or somthing... it was an "si" sub, his name on here is afboy143 i believe

[Notladstyle]

last time i talked to jethro eason which was yesterday he said he was bringing his new van to daytona.so i wouldnt say he is not active.big mike at radioactive has 4 vehicles that will be at spring break,and sent two vehicles to SEMA so id say hes still active too.and yes casper has disappeared but no one can find him,not only me.lol.

scrapin im not tryin to hate or anything but how do you know these pro audio people and not posess that much knowledge yourself about car audio?

[TJElite]

as much as i agree with your arguement in other areas.. i have personally watched 1 15 do 146 or somthing... it was an "si" sub, his name on here is afboy143 i believe

I have to agree here. There is a guy named bubba webber, who is getting 150's out of two memphis 15's. I'll leave that at that, though...those of you who know bubba, know that 'cosmetics' is not his thing.

Up until last year, the legal world db record, 178 db, was held by a van with 4 crossfire 15's...on 40,000 watts!

Even my lowly caprice, with 2 15's does 146 on my termpro meter. Since termpro's tend to be a little low vs. others (but extremely consistant), it would probably do 148+ on a 3055, or something. And for the SQ vs. SPL argument, my caprice sounds extremely good.

Gee, maybe we should all get together somewhere where there is a meter, and duke this thing out. Oh wait, you could all come to my shop on April 8, for the AHQ get together! I used to be an Iasca SQ and RTA judge, and we've no doubt got some other experienced folks here...we could turn this thing into a little contest.

Toby

[TBSpyder]

Gee, maybe we should all get together somewhere where there is a meter, and duke this thing out. Oh wait, you could all come to my shop on April 8, for the AHQ get together! I used to be an Iasca SQ and RTA judge, and we've no doubt got some other experienced folks here...we could turn this thing into a little contest.

Toby


Exactly. You can talk as much as you like on the internet, but if you want to back up all that talk, don't miss the AHQ Meet. Saturday, April 8th @ T&J Customs in Oldsmar. Free DB metering thanks to TJElite, so no excuses. ;)

[scrapin_honda]

so sorry to tell u kids,but i will not waste the gas to go to oldsmar.i live way to far from it.on a further note when you see bubba at daytona tell him ethans friend mike says whats up.and no offense toby but i dont feel i have to prove anything to these people.But once,my new car is built i will be back running the street jammers ciruit with area 51 from spring hill.

[TIM TIM TIM]

so sorry to tell u kids,but i will not waste the gas to go to oldsmar.i live way to far from it.on a further note when you see bubba at daytona tell him ethans friend mike says whats up.and no offense toby but i dont feel i have to prove anything to these people.But once,my new car is built i will be back running the street jammers ciruit with area 51 from spring hill.
what? your system sucks??????

sorry i couldnt hear anything over all the distortion

[TBSpyder]

so sorry to tell u kids,but i will not waste the gas to go to oldsmar.i live way to far from it.on a further note when you see bubba at daytona tell him ethans friend mike says whats up.and no offense toby but i dont feel i have to prove anything to these people.But once,my new car is built i will be back running the street jammers ciruit with area 51 from spring hill.


Not going to show up? Oh wow, there's a BIG suprise. :jerkoff:

You had the gas to drive down to Sound Express on Hillsborough Ave. to "be a part of" those two SPL vehicles you mentioned earlier though...right? :lol: T&J Customs is down the same road.

Do everyone a favor and spare us all from posting anymore of your BS until you grow the balls to actually back up your big mouth.

[Notladstyle]

what? your system sucks??????

sorry i couldnt hear anything over all the distortion



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[GradeA_TireFryer]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++ to T&J Elite Customs, Inc.

soon as the chevele's motor gets back in (less than a month), the system starts - 4 - 12's bandpass ported thru rear deck - i gues with todays equiptment 150+ is not a problem
mmmmmmmmmmm 700+ hp and 700+f# and 150+ db - fun ride?????? oooo how about a 300 shot on top of that

[scrapin_honda]

as soon as t&j customs becomes a shop anyone respects i will care.and mr spyder u like to run ur mouth too,but seriously have not backed it with one credintial.

[integralsgreen]

and mr spyder u like to run ur mouth too,but seriously have not backed it with one credintial.
he dosnt need to. his reputation speaks for it self. anyone here can tell you john knows his shit. but as for ur reputation...well so far id say everyone here would agree that "mr spyder" owns you :lol: :evil:

[Eclipse99RS]

he dosnt need to. his reputation speaks for it self. anyone here can tell you john knows his shit. but as for ur reputation...well so far id say everyone here would agree that "mr spyder" owns you :lol: :evil:


:overkill: burned...

[TJElite]

as soon as t&j customs becomes a shop anyone respects i will care.and mr spyder u like to run ur mouth too,but seriously have not backed it with one credintial.

Phone rings: Hello...Yes sir...you're really happy with the work we did...thanks...and you really have a lot of respect for our shop...wow that's great...now scrapin_honda will care!!

Seriously, man, I'm not sure where you are coming from with that, and I'm not sure who exactly 'anyone' is that has to have respect for my shop in your eyes.

You don't know me, and I don't know you, but know what? I've got respect for you. Know why? Because I have respect for anyone who has a passion for their hobby, and who sets goals and acheives them. Based on your posts, you are obviously passionate, and it looks like you have set goals for your system, and have attained them. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks about those goals...they are yours, and yours alone.

I actually have a lot of respect for SPL competitors as a whole. Anyone who thinks you can just throw a bunch of stuff in a car and be competitive, doesn't know much about it. These guys have it down to a science. They have to, as .1 DB can win or lose. Sure, their stuff doesn't always sound good, and look pretty, but it serves a purpose. Kind of like jet powered funny cars.

Personally, I prefer sound quality, but that's just me.

I know Bubba and Ethan, as well as Mike Powell from Radio Active. They are all great guys. I've also met Alma Gates, Mike Jones (not the rapper), and a guy you may have heard of named Virgil Williams (this guy is like the father of SPL contests). For you sound quality guys, I had lunch with Richard Clark and Lucio Proni once. Does that make me special? No. Smarter? Maybe. Lucky? Hell yes. Should you care? Probably not.

My comment about coming to the meet to settle this was just a comment, and a blatant plug for the meet. I never said you had anything to prove, and I won't have any less respect for you if you don't show.

Maybe I haven't earned your respect...I've been into car audio for almost 19 years. I've been both an Iasca competitor and a judge, and I've managed to open my own business, and keep it open for over a year. Maybe one day, I'll put out something that you will respect, maybe I won't. But until I earn your disrespect, I think you're out of line.

Toby

[TIM TIM TIM]

hey tj what kind of work do you do? just car audio, or alarms and stuff too?

[Notladstyle]

Phone rings: Hello...Yes sir...you're really happy with the work we did...thanks...and you really have a lot of respect for our shop...wow that's great...now scrapin_honda will care!!

Seriously, man, I'm not sure where you are coming from with that, and I'm not sure who exactly 'anyone' is that has to have respect for my shop in your eyes.

You don't know me, and I don't know you, but know what? I've got respect for you. Know why? Because I have respect for anyone who has a passion for their hobby, and who sets goals and acheives them. Based on your posts, you are obviously passionate, and it looks like you have set goals for your system, and have attained them. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks about those goals...they are yours, and yours alone.

I actually have a lot of respect for SPL competitors as a whole. Anyone who thinks you can just throw a bunch of stuff in a car and be competitive, doesn't know much about it. These guys have it down to a science. They have to, as .1 DB can win or lose. Sure, their stuff doesn't always sound good, and look pretty, but it serves a purpose. Kind of like jet powered funny cars.

Personally, I prefer sound quality, but that's just me.

I know Bubba and Ethan, as well as Mike Powell from Radio Active. They are all great guys. I've also met Alma Gates, Mike Jones (not the rapper), and a guy you may have heard of named Virgil Williams (this guy is like the father of SPL contests). For you sound quality guys, I had lunch with Richard Clark and Lucio Proni once. Does that make me special? No. Smarter? Maybe. Lucky? Hell yes. Should you care? Probably not.

My comment about coming to the meet to settle this was just a comment, and a blatant plug for the meet. I never said you had anything to prove, and I won't have any less respect for you if you don't show.

Maybe I haven't earned your respect...I've been into car audio for almost 19 years. I've been both an Iasca competitor and a judge, and I've managed to open my own business, and keep it open for over a year. Maybe one day, I'll put out something that you will respect, maybe I won't. But until I earn your disrespect, I think you're out of line.

Toby

^^^^ he hasnt earned enough respect to deserve that long of a reply :roll:

[TJElite]

hey tj what kind of work do you do? just car audio, or alarms and stuff too?

We do just about anything...at least once. We do audio, video, security, wheels, tires, motor swaps, performance parts, fiberglass, fabrication, some minor paint, lowering, lifting...

I need to put some new stuff up there, but check out www.Tjelitecustoms.com (http://www.Tjelitecustoms.com) to see some of our stuff.

Toby

[TBSpyder]

^^^^ he hasnt earned enough respect to deserve that long of a reply :roll:


Seriously. Those types of jokers pop up in here every couple of weeks. Don't even waste your time.

[TJElite]

^^^^ he hasnt earned enough respect to deserve that long of a reply :roll:

Your opinion. He sent me a PM, though, and I have respect for him.

We can all get hot headed, especially when we argue a position we feel strongly about.

Toby

[03AcuraCLTypeS]

"Total" and "truely good qualisy sound system"

??!?!??!??!???!?!??! :serious: what salesman told you that?


umm mabye the guy who did my install, o and he also happens to compete in SQ and has won a lot of events, even bee to the IASCA world finals a few times.. so yeah basically someone who knows his shit

[03AcuraCLTypeS]

and what world do u live in that therew are people with 30 subs driving around in??i mean how many 30 sub setups have you seen?? where do you get this number??i think if you would look you would realize alot of these setups are 4 subs.thats about 26 short of 30...and 6-7k on 2 12s and mids and highs??unless your going to win trophies in sound quality,that is KRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok so 30 was jsut a number i was exagerating...though i have see 22 subs in one and 16 in another so to a point its not that far a strech...go to big cars shows youll see insane stuff like that..like u know a car with 8 waterfalls in it..yeah see that twice.... and yeah its a competition install set up RTA'ed and tuned and SPL'ed ..So yeah hoping to win a trophy this weekend at daytona in fact...which just happens to be where im sitting right now so im goin back to the pool yall have fun.

[scrapin_honda]

ok so 30 was jsut a number i was exagerating...though i have see 22 subs in one and 16 in another so to a point its not that far a strech...go to big cars shows youll see insane stuff like that..like u know a car with 8 waterfalls in it..yeah see that twice. ok,guys so i get that the west coast custom type cars are gay we all know that.but the people that know car audio,and have that many subs slam,go to divine sounds ask for will,and listen to his 16,10s it pounds.this weekend i will be in daytona tho so i will look for these anomolies and give a full report back on it.

[TIM TIM TIM]

tj you have a pm

[djgizmo]

With a mouth like yours, even I couldn't respect you... and I have no sub right now.

as soon as t&j customs becomes a shop anyone respects i will care.and mr spyder u like to run ur mouth too,but seriously have not backed it with one credintial.

[scrapin_honda]

lol.