need some opinions

[SlowerThanYou]

I want to turbo a e36 chasis bmw. Im leaning towards aa's kit. But right now im stuck on what e36 I should get. Im wanting a 4door. I dont know if I should go after a 325i or a m3. WIll I make the same power with a 325i with the same turbo kit as if It was on a m3 also im looking at e36's obdII years. I mean for the moneys worth should I instead step away from the e36 chasis and move up to the newer e46 chasis and run a turbo kit on it? would I see any better performance? what would you do... start off with a e36 m3, a e36 325i or a e46 325i. for the price you can get a e46 somewhere around the same price as you can a mint e36 m3. thanks for your input.

[SlowerThanYou]

wow really dead

[Jcapelo]

try asking on www.baybimmers.com a local bmw site....Or Www.Bimmerforums.com which is world wide u should have some answers minutes after posting

[SlowerThanYou]

thanks

[99TL]

I want to turbo a e36 chasis bmw. Im leaning towards aa's kit. But right now im stuck on what e36 I should get. Im wanting a 4door. I dont know if I should go after a 325i or a m3. WIll I make the same power with a 325i with the same turbo kit as if It was on a m3 also im looking at e36's obdII years. I mean for the moneys worth should I instead step away from the e36 chasis and move up to the newer e46 chasis and run a turbo kit on it? would I see any better performance? what would you do... start off with a e36 m3, a e36 325i or a e46 325i. for the price you can get a e46 somewhere around the same price as you can a mint e36 m3. thanks for your input.


Personally I would want to start out with an m3... you could always pick up a 4 door 325i with high mileage and swap in an s50/s52.

[SlowerThanYou]

Personally I would want to start out with an m3... you could always pick up a 4 door 325i with high mileage and swap in an s50/s52.


I was thinking about that I figured It would be cheaper on the insurance and probably save more money by doing this. I have tried to search google but not too many people sell the s52 motor. Im wanting to go with the s52 because it is the 3.2l. do you happen to know of any sites as to where I could find a s52 engine swap at? Also how complex is the change over. If I do go with the 325i Ill probably go with a obd1 car. how hard is it to convert the motor to obd1? whats actually involved in the swap? Im used to honda swaps which are alot easier to come by. My goal is to get away with a pretty decently fast bmw. Im a lover for autocrossing and scca type events. thats what it will mostly be apart of and hopefully a couple nice rides to seebring speedway will also be in its future. this car will be a all out race car with verry little to no street time if I go with the 325i. because of the cheaper price of the 325i I was actually thinking of doing a sequential gear box from http://www.hewland.com/ they seem to be had for little less then $15,000 that would be the ultimate setup with my own personal choice of gearing. does anyone in tampa know how to do a s52 swap into a early year e36 325i? im really wanting to try and take on as much of the project myself. sorry about the long letter. thanks for your reaplys rep points for all

[jriggs]

the m3 is a bit better ballanced (weight ratio), handles a lot better, and has much better breaks than the 325, i've seen turbo'd m's and 325's and even a 328 and talked to owners of all of them, many of the guys that had started with non m's said they wished they had in the long run, as for the year and obd set up everyone i've talked to about them thinks is the best bmw to turbo is the 95 M3's obd1. with the obd2 they usualy convert them to obd1 before turboing b/c of tuning and flow issues with the obd2 set up also with the 95s your supose to be able to run more boost on stock internals than with the obd2 cars (not sure why exacty)
dado on dtmpower.net has had two turbo's m3's here's a link to a page of info about his current car http://www.dtmpower.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110353
lets you know if your goin to go all out what all your goin to need
hope that helps
-riggs

[Jcapelo]

good luck w the project! sounds like fun.....on bimmerforums there is a subforum on forced induction

[SlowerThanYou]

thanks a lot. yeah well as far as the suspension and the breaks they are going to be upgraded anyways. they cant stay stock of course. Yeah I've scene a lot of people go with the 95 the only down fall of the 95 is the fact it is the 3.0 and not the 3.2 :( from my understanding isn't that big of a deal. but there is never replacement for displacement ;) my horse power goal is for 400rwhp. but the thing is I want to do it reliably. I want to be able to beat on the car put it on the trailer and bring it back out with very little having to be done to it as far as maintenance goes.

[SlowerThanYou]

thanks everyone once again

[jriggs]

nice, rock it out and let us know when the project gets rolling and how she's going

[99TL]

Keep your eyes open for a wrecked m3 if you want to do the swap.. i don't know of any motors locally if you keep your eyes open you will be able to find one. And it is easy enough to swap an s52 to obdI. Requires the OBD1 intake manifold (which supposedly flows better), wiring, and ECU. Not sure what else it requires but I believe there are certain companies that offer the conversion as a complete kit. AA Tuning should be able to give you all the info on the conversion.

[SlowerThanYou]

thanks alot I found a wrecked 97 m3 4 door that has been hit in the side they want 5900 for it Im starting to think about picking it up and going from there. Im still not sure yet on what I want to do. Ive decided to stay away from supercharger Im really wanting to do turbo. AA is going to do most of the work I know that for a fact. im going to try tomorrow to get in touch with AA and see what they say about it all. As far as breaks go. I will probably sell all the m3 breaking components reason being is I will be upgrading anyways. I will probably salvage the rear diff because from my understanding the 325i doesnt have one. the m3 tranny will also be sold also reason being is Im wanting to go with a aftermarket tranny. better gearing. I want it to be set up to top out around 180 or so. Im hoping to have the project said in done in no longer then 1 year. I know I know along time but I figured it will give me plenty of time to do things wright. As the project progresses I will be taking lots of pics also will try to write up some how toos also. and if anyone wants to get there hands dirty they are more then welcome. heck if we get done in time maybe we can particapate in the tr car build for next year. I think we can give all the hondas and fords a run for there money :)

[99TL]

you don't need a different tranny to get the car to top out around 180 or so... just a different rear end. Not sure of the exact ratio but some of the big power boys run 2.8x iirc.

[jriggs]

flow bench shows OBD1 intake manifold's flow nicer just to back what people may tell you, hittin a 6 speed tranny in there would be nice, easy to gear it for 180 and still drivability the rear end you might want to upgrade to a 60% lock lsd from kazz (sp?) they are supose to be hella strong and if your goin to put down some high numbers might as well, kagel autosales (sp?) can find the motor and tranny if your still looking
AA usualy says they can get all the parts to flip an obd2 to obd1 if needed
i know a few people that have had problems with their tunning though, but no ones that has had problems with their componets

off topic but 99TL i love that body style on your e34

[SlowerThanYou]

thanks for the input :)

[99TL]

flow bench shows OBD1 intake manifold's flow nicer just to back what people may tell you, hittin a 6 speed tranny in there would be nice, easy to gear it for 180 and still drivability the rear end you might want to upgrade to a 60% lock lsd from kazz (sp?) they are supose to be hella strong and if your goin to put down some high numbers might as well, kagel autosales (sp?) can find the motor and tranny if your still looking
AA usualy says they can get all the parts to flip an obd2 to obd1 if needed
i know a few people that have had problems with their tunning though, but no ones that has had problems with their componets

off topic but 99TL i love that body style on your e34

appreciate it... diffsonline is a good place to source a used oem or custom differential also.

[SlowerThanYou]

what about this 2jz gte toyota supra motor in a e36? http://members.shaw.ca/kfgroup/bmw_conversions.htm hmmm what do you guys think?

[jriggs]

diffsonline is a good place to source a used oem or custom differential also.

+1

[getgot2]

pmed you hit me up plz

[Slynke]

Just pick up a E36 M3 4dr.. they make them ya know.. lol.

And to the E46.. hells.. nos...

[jriggs]

Just pick up a E36 M3 4dr.. they make them ya know.. lol.

good grab, you dont see tons of the 4dr ones, and people alway think "bla 4drs must not be real" so its fun to play with em

[SlowerThanYou]

I know they make 4 door e36 m3's there where only made 97-98 very rare. research paysoff. lol. actually compaire the weight between the e36 m3 2 door and 4 door and they weigh them same. the 4 door has alittle shorter front end. but has a longer wheel base. :)

[Slynke]

good grab, you dont see tons of the 4dr ones, and people alway think "bla 4drs must not be real" so its fun to play with em

Haha, I wish I picked one up.. I was telling HIM to pick one up. If only I had the cash... ;)

[99TL]

Haha, I wish I picked one up.. I was telling HIM to pick one up. If only I had the cash... ;)


Any pics of your TI? Anything done to it?

[jriggs]

Haha, I wish I picked one up.. I was telling HIM to pick one up. If only I had the cash... ;)


oups my bad.... yall can have the e36's though i just want another old M, i miss my e30 m3 with the little amazing s14 motor in it :-(

[flybyuin2.2]

i've been dealing with Eurodepot as far as parts go for my wife's E34 they also do swaps, sell conversions and are very helpful, check them out at www.theeurodepot.com

[mbanks21]

Buy my M3

[jriggs]

mbanks you have got my attention, year drivetrain options miles all that good stuff price your looking for feel free to pm me