surpa turbo swap mark III

[timmyg]

My friend has a 1986 1/2 supra he wants to do a turbo swap. Just wondering what motors will fit? He lives in northwest Georga, any good shops in that area let me know? Thanks for all the help.

[UserName]

the 7MGTE out of the MK3 supra is a common swap and doesnt require much to do. Also the you can swap the 2JZ out of the MK4 in but theres a lot more mods that you would have to do than if you were going to swap the 7M. But a few people have done it so it is possible. And the 6MGE it pretty much a direct drop in. Look on celicasupra.com and go to the forums and use the search button.

[J-Dizzle]

do a 1g-gte swap, on ebay right now for 1grand from jhot in atlanta..i haveone in my mk3 and pulls very strong for being s 2.0 l6 twin turbo, look into it ...cause the 7mgte is crap imo

jason

[Jordan T]

7mgte! easy shit.

[J-Dizzle]

yeas i agree, but when comes down to reliability issues , i dont like the motor, i owned one as my first car , was fun pulled hard but developed a problem one after another, HG problems way to common with um too,and if u catch it early enough u can save your motor as in my case i spun a rod

jason

[Idealsupra]

yeas i agree, but when comes down to reliability issues , i dont like the motor, i owned one as my first car , was fun pulled hard but developed a problem one after another, HG problems way to common with um too,and if u catch it early enough u can save your motor as in my case i spun a rod

jason

sorry man but i gotta call you out.... if you think the 1g-gte is a better motor then the 7m in ANY aspect you are retarded.... its the pansiest motor EVER put into a supra chassis. not to mention parts for it stateside are rare as ANYTHING since it never came here...have fun when something breaks.

on top of that for the 7m reliability issue...i dont care what anyone says...the 7m is perfectly reliable when its taken care of...the problem is kids buy the car and instead of fixing it up...they try to mod it out on a 150k mile + ragged out beaten up engine.... of course things are gonna break.....

the ONLY flaw with the 7m was the hg torque from factory but thats a weekend job to fix for an average user...so big freaking deal.

i rebuilt the engine in my car and its been problem free (aside from shit that i caused MYSELF) for the past two years and i drive the shit out of it....and it made a trip from here to TX and back with ZERO problems......

funny how when you do something right and take care of it the 7m is all of a sudden a reliable engine :lol:

[psifactor]

.cause the 7mgte is crap imo

jason
Maybe its the crappy owners that do not know how to take care of things that have this opinion ;)

I drive a 7m daily. 1j is in the garage in pieces

[J-Dizzle]

well im sorry , if i think a certain motor is better blah blah, idealsupra> just one question have u ever drove a 1g? if not dont talk shit:lol: ...i understand were all of u r coming from..and yes i know if something would to break it will be hard to get parts.few things that i like so far bout the 1g over a 7m> GAS MILELAGE....the 7m sucks up way more gas compared to this, not saying that the 7m isnt good on gas.plus a little weight difference also compared to a 7m 3.0 .im not sure what the weight diff is but its significant i bet...and i like to be different .and as far as most parts go..been researching , suprisingly alot is compatible with 7m's and 1j's..a few things off a 2J but not much...its not that pansey ..stock is only 10hp down of A 7MGTE stock ...do miss torque from a 7m but i like the rev happy 2.0l 8k redline(i dont ever take it that far)

jason

[J-Dizzle]

ohh and what happened to the 1JZ?

[psifactor]

ohh and what happened to the 1JZ?
it was way too slow.

[Idealsupra]

well im sorry , if i think a certain motor is better blah blah, idealsupra> just one question have u ever drove a 1g? if not dont talk shit:lol: ...i understand were all of u r coming from..and yes i know if something would to break it will be hard to get parts.few things that i like so far bout the 1g over a 7m> GAS MILELAGE....the 7m sucks up way more gas compared to this, not saying that the 7m isnt good on gas.plus a little weight difference also compared to a 7m 3.0 .im not sure what the weight diff is but its significant i bet...and i like to be different .and as far as most parts go..been researching , suprisingly alot is compatible with 7m's and 1j's..a few things off a 2J but not much...its not that pansey ..stock is only 10hp down of A 7MGTE stock ...do miss torque from a 7m but i like the rev happy 2.0l 8k redline(i dont ever take it that far)

jason

i dont have to drive it to know its pansy....a liter less displacement and 22 less hp then the 7m....and the torque...well we wont go there.....

its a pansy engine with ZERO potential unless you drop major money into it....and most aftermarket parts will be hard to come by if at all....let alone stock parts you need....i really dont see much coming off of completely different engines that will bolt right up to it.....

either way im glad youre happy with it....but dont tell someone else to get a 1g or a 7m...cause thats just dumb.

[ToyDoctor]

Yeah I agree with Idealsupra jump on the bandwagon and go 7m, don't do anything unique such as using a JDM engine that is period correct for the car anyway. Besides who would want an engine such as 1g that sounds way way more badass than a 7m or 1jz would with any turbo combination or tune? Does every persons' goal have to be more power and torque?

[Idealsupra]

Yeah I agree with Idealsupra jump on the bandwagon and go 7m, don't do anything unique such as using a JDM engine that is period correct for the car anyway. Besides who would want an engine that sounds way way more badass than a 7m would with any turbo combination or tune? Does every persons' goal have to be more power and torque?

since when is putting a turbo engine that already comes in the car into the car a bandwagon?

bottom line is 7m>1g .... not to mention MUCH easier for a do it yourselfer to do.....

we arent talking about a 1j here....which would have its benefits for doing...this is a 1g...

oh and by the way... i dont see a 2 liter 1g sounding better then a 3 liter 7m... the 2.5 liter 1jz sounds like ass .... 7m sound>*

[J-Dizzle]

then u havnt heard one then? ..sounds a shit lode meaner than a 7m , now if its a modded 7m im sure it would sound mean ..but im all stock , open downpipe >until i have an exhaust made..all i hear is spool up and downspool and a very mean loud exhaust note..Toy Doctor can vouche for it..im not bragging,...but back to original subject for cost and easly swap do a 7m , be diiferent and slow:D buy something else

jason

[Idealsupra]

then u havnt heard one then? ..sounds a shit lode meaner than a 7m , now if its a modded 7m im sure it would sound mean ..but im all stock , open downpipe >until i have an exhaust made..all i hear is spool up and downspool and a very mean loud exhaust note..Toy Doctor can vouche for it..im not bragging,...but back to original subject for cost and easly swap do a 7m , be diiferent and slow:D buy something else

jason

ummm i can almost guarantee an open downpipe 7m will sound better then an open dp 1g.....

EDIT: on a side note...are you planning on coming to the big tampa supra meet in a couple of weeks? i want as many mk3s there as possible...should have at least 3 500+hp ones

[ToyDoctor]

Allright, so finds himself a used 7m with about 80,000 to 120,000k on odometer. With that mileage the motor is almost guaranteed to be on it's second or third HG. So you might as well tear it down and put a fourth one in it. Then upon further inspection he finds heavy block errosion just like every other high mileage 7m has. Now this "do it yourselfer" motor swap has just turned into a complete engine overhaul. After a decked head and block surface, new pistons and bearings, studs and MHG, you can honestly say that the engine could be a reliable motor swap that will last 150k or so.
But instead of an engine swap costing $700 to $1100 it will end up being $2200 to $2600 for a bone stock engine that is good for 235 bhp.

I'm only pointing this out because I have personally been burned by this engine time and time again with continuous problems. This engine is plagued with inherent flaws that can't be remedied.

[J-Dizzle]

main reason i talk shit bout 7M's is cause half the ones ive seen are ragged out , and no taken care of for shit..unfourtanetly i experienced a ragged out supra, i bought one for my first car ..tranny blew 3 months after i got it ..all stock no mods..only mods were intake and exhaust and a turbo timer..i dont think it was too heavily modded on a 130k motor..HG blows 6 months later .replace Hgwith HKS 1.5m and ARP studs, port and polish along with head resurface.reinstall ,timing redone and blew up on the way home from toyota.spun bearing , driving normal

[Idealsupra]

Allright, so finds himself a used 7m with about 80,000 to 120,000k on odometer. With that mileage the motor is almost guaranteed to be on it's second or third HG. So you might as well tear it down and put a fourth one in it. Then upon further inspection he finds heavy block errosion just like every other high mileage 7m has. Now this "do it yourselfer" motor swap has just turned into a complete engine overhaul. After a decked head and block surface, new pistons and bearings, studs and MHG, you can honestly say that the engine could be a reliable motor swap that will last 150k or so.
But instead of an engine swap costing $700 to $1100 it will end up being $2200 to $2600 for a bone stock engine that is good for 235 bhp.

I'm only pointing this out because I have personally been burned by this engine time and time again with continuous problems. This engine is plagued with inherent flaws that can't be remedied.


that whole paragraph is a complete load of shit.....

first off you can get a jdm 7m that will have maybe 50k miles on it at MOST...

secondly if you have the engine out you are stupid not to put in a mhg...and do this is rather simple now that the cometic is available...

so to have a perfectly good engine in the car with a mhg...youre probably looking at 1500.

now go and try a 1g to begin with....then when you do have it shipped here...mmmhmmmm..

and im sorry to say...but if you have continuous problems with the 7m its 100% user error....

rod bearing problems are 100% user error....and if the hg is fixed CORRECTLY then there wont be any problems.

[psifactor]

then u havnt heard one then? ..sounds a shit lode meaner than a 7m

jason

I would be completely impressed if a 2.0 liter sounded better than a 7m. open dp 7m sounds like a v8

I think this calls for a sound clip!!!!!!

[Idealsupra]

main reason i talk shit bout 7M's is cause half the ones ive seen are ragged out , and no taken care of for shit..unfourtanetly i experienced a ragged out supra, i bought one for my first car ..tranny blew 3 months after i got it ..all stock no mods..only mods were intake and exhaust and a turbo timer..i dont think it was too heavily modded on a 130k motor..HG blows 6 months later .replace Hgwith HKS 1.5m and ARP studs, port and polish along with head resurface.reinstall ,timing redone and blew up on the way home from toyota.spun bearing , driving normal


spun bearing=user error...as in low oil or contaminated oil....PERIOD. seems to me like after your bhg you didnt flush out the oiling and coolant system well enough...allowing it to contaminate and eventually give you the rod bearing problem.....thats a common USER error....

and a motor that has been abused and then you get it and mod it or whatever...a 3inch exhaust is enough to bump the boost almost double...from 7 to 10-12psi....thats definintley enough to push a ragged out stock hg to the limits....

it sucks you had a bad experience with a 7m.....but dont preach about the 1g being better in ANY aspect then the 7m because it simply is not....

[psifactor]

I'm only pointing this out because I have personally been burned by this engine time and time again with continuous problems. This engine is plagued with inherent flaws that can't be remedied. burned? Do you mean you or your mechanic made mistakes time and time again? I just have been through a few of these cars and have never heard of these problems you speak of. Yes yes..the bhg is an issues but do it once right and that is taken care of.

[Idealsupra]

I'm only pointing this out because I have personally been burned by this engine time and time again with continuous problems. This engine is plagued with inherent flaws that can't be remedied.

furthermore... PLEASE i would like you to point out the "inherent flaws" of the 7M

ill start the list...

1) Low torque specs from factory on hg

and go...............

[ToyDoctor]

I've talked to toyota mechanics that have been in the business for over 20 years, and they replaced blown head gaskets with the car under warrantee less than 30k miles!

The engines fail because they have design flaws. Toyota is not only automobile manufacturer that is immune to engineering shortcomings.

I was still replacing short blocks and cylindar heads on 3vz-e trucks that were over 10 years old under toyota's campaign VO6 recall! Mainly due to block errosion and BHGs. A 7mgte will do exactlly the same thing. Yet these two engines are the only ones I have ever seen do this.

Compared to other high performance toyota engines that ever exported to the US the 7mgte has to be the worst.

[Kirk]

since when is putting a turbo engine that already comes in the car into the car a bandwagon?

bottom line is 7m>1g .... not to mention MUCH easier for a do it yourselfer to do.....

we arent talking about a 1j here....which would have its benefits for doing...this is a 1g...

oh and by the way... i dont see a 2 liter 1g sounding better then a 3 liter 7m... the 2.5 liter 1jz sounds like ass .... 7m sound>*
2jz sound >7M

[cassio]

7m sucks period

[Idealsupra]

2jz sound >7M

ummm negative.... but then again sound is an opinion..... ill take the 7m sound over the 2jz sound anyday...


and toy doctor...again you didnt tell me anything...yeah the bhg we ALL know...it was the low torque specs...and when you bring it to toyota what the fuck do you think they torqued the NEW one to? the fuckin SAME low torque specs....so it became a vicious cycle...

what else you got? cause so far you seem to be proving my point.... and block corrosion? unless the block has been sitting outside forever i have yet to see any problems with that...... and ive seen TONS of 7ms....

[psifactor]

I've talked to toyota mechanics that have been in the business for over 20 years, and they replaced blown head gaskets with the car under warrantee less than 30k miles!

The engines fail because they have design flaws. Toyota is not only automobile manufacturer that is immune to engineering shortcomings.


could you please point out the design flaws besides the hg problem and then mechanics that do not do it properly?












1j>7m


:D

[Kirk]

*JZ > 7m

[cassio]

http://www.uncrate.com/men/images/lacoste-carnaby-sneakers.jpg > 7M

end this shit..... serious... 7M is teh suk

[Idealsupra]

http://www.uncrate.com/men/images/lacoste-carnaby-sneakers.jpg > 7M

end this shit..... serious... 7M is teh suk


ian havent you left for japan yet? :p

7m>* if you have any ounce of intelligence.

/thread

[Kirk]

ian havent you left for japan yet? :p

7m>* if you have any ounce of intelligence.

/thread

your opinion..

[cassio]

haven't found the right job on tht side of the pond.... and right now i would like some lacoste sneakers.... over teh 7M

[Idealsupra]

your opinion..

no its called knowledge...... i look further then the riceboy magazines that tought the jz engines for all they are worth and i look past the morons who buy the car with the 7m and break it because they try to make it fast before making it reliable again after nearly 20 years of abuse...

you know in 5 years im gonna love to see how all these god like jz engines are fairing...because that will put them right with the 7m as far as having stupid issues....

either way this argument is retarded.... because you wont listen to me...i wont listen to you.... so there you have it.

and i got the email for this before you edited asking if my 7m is fast....and as of right this moment...nope its not...its basically 100% bone stock actually....

[Idealsupra]

haven't found the right job on tht side of the pond.... and right now i would like some lacoste sneakers.... over teh 7M

those sneakers are pretty nice :D i wouldnt mind a pair either.....

you need to hurry up and get your ass over there....i already started my list of things i want you to find and send to me :lol:

[ToyDoctor]

Ok so I or you proved your point, why buy an engine that you know that you will have to tear down to change the HG right off of the bat?..... Wait I maybe I can answer that for you:

1) One may need good experience for the ability to remove and replace headgaskets.

2) One can use this new found knowledge to remove head again replace worn rings and or pistons.

3) One may boast about how he or she is "smarter" then the toyota engineers by torquing his or her head past the specifications stipulated by the factory service manual.

[Kirk]

this is locked, thanks to jayson for ruining this with his biased opinions which he believes are 100% right and everyone is wrong...