New GT-R, 4 hours before the official release!! -PICS-

[FreeThinker]

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You got it here first!! :)

or go to www.gtrproto.com in about 4 hours to see if the pics are authentic

-Sean

[mranlet]

Um... looks like a render in GT4 at Fuji - ?

[JC86]

that concept has been around for years. never thought they would do anything with it

[ZENKone]

idk if i like it

[mAdHaTTerS-14.3]

i dunno kinda looks like the concept car from scc about 6 months ago would like to see some pics that did'nt look like cgi

[FreeThinker]

that concept has been around for years. never thought they would do anything with it

No it hasn't.

GT-R concept shared some design elements, that's all. The concept drawings for this car were only recently released too, like 6 weeks ago max.

[Funk]

r34 rearend, 350z/g35 front end, r391(i think) roofline. fucking hot.

[Xyfer]

I dont like it as much as the old ones.... doesnt look like a Skyline... :(

[TurbMx5]

its looks great. Slightly radical design but definately better than the original concept and very promising. Will we ever see it here though?

[Matt Vassallo]

that thing looks absolutely incredible. i see skyline all over it. it has everything trademark that the cars have been known for . longer front end and hood lines, agressive stance, the tail lights, and simplistic agressive lines.

[OniS14]

sweet...
http://tamparacing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265838

i want one...i think the M series/Fuga should be twin turbo..it would kinda be the same as the new GT-R

[CB7 Type R]

I think the mated the G35 and R34 nicely. I perfer the older ones, like a R33 with a Nismo bodykit, but they did the Skyline name justice.

[EludeR]

Nice, i'll look forward to getting one of these when i graduate and start my career :)

[drft_wannabe]

that thing looks absolutely incredible. i see skyline all over it. it has everything trademark that the cars have been known for . longer front end and hood lines, agressive stance, the tail lights, and simplistic agressive lines.

exactly. that thing looks amazing. in the side view it looks like a perfectly evolved skyline. the front is just mated with a g35 or one of the present skylines in japan. this thing is incredible. i cant wait till they are like 5 years old. i will own one.

[JC86]

No it hasn't.

GT-R concept shared some design elements, that's all. The concept drawings for this car were only recently released too, like 6 weeks ago max.

maybs, but the concept drawings from like a year or two ago looked alot like that. in all honesty though i couldnt really give a shit about the new skyline, same with new ferraris. im never gonna get one/want to buy one. i didnt like the r34 really or the r33 that much. of course there are nice tuners that made nice ones but overall i dont like em that much. r32 on the otherhand....love it

[suaknee]

grill looks like the new eclipse....ehhhh but it still looks hot.
http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200501/WKA2005011044716_pv.jpg

[OniS14]

grill looks like the new eclipse....ehhhh but it still looks hot.
http://i.tnpv.us/2005/WKA200501/WKA2005011044716_pv.jpg
http://www.koi-goldfisch-bierduempfl.de/Koi%20u%20Goldfische/Dicker.jpghttp://www.tapirback.com/tapirgal/gifts/friends/fish/koi-carp-jewelry-285m.jpg
that's the new eclipse...




the grille is slighty like the gt-r..:D

[satanshatch]

Nice, but I don't like it.. Maybe If I saw it in person.. torn.

[nismo180]

i think it's hot, any idea on what it's gonna run price wise?

[OniS14]

70-80k...but i'm just throwing out numbers...

[Jordan T]

it looks alot like the concept drawings exept for the roof line, its a bit more pronounced now. more angles to it. ive read mags that say possibly a v-6 or maybe even a v-8. any one know the specs on that? id say TT v-6, nissan seems to be all about theyre vq lately. i think a vk45 v8 would be damn nice though.

[Kung Fu Grip]

The frontend Look's Killer and the Rearend kinda make's me think of the New Mustang For Some odd reason,It's going to be a Skyline So nissan Is going to make it kickass nomatter what it look's like. The Skyline is Band From Some Fourm's of Racing in Diffrent Country's So this one Has to live up to that and the GTR name...yea I seen it was going to be TT and awd but idk..

[Kung Fu Grip]

I hope it Does come to the U.S. but i'm sure there going to take there time,that's like a really big name to live up to and Japan's best Sport's car eveR Soo there going to take time to make it perfect,if it did come here i'm sure they'd sell it everywhere else and it'd be there best selling car to..

[Jordan T]

i like this concept drawing, more like the r34.http://re2.mm-a1.yimg.com/image/417978774

[Jordan T]

all the shit i look up points more towards a vq35dett. anyway the tailights are baddass!http://www.r35gtr.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=30&g2_serialNumber=2

[OniS14]

it will be a the best supercar to get under 100k..
best selling car? yeah right...

The Skyline is Band From Some Fourm's of Racing in Diffrent Country's So this one Has to live up to that and the GTR name...yea I seen it was going to be TT and awd but idk..
^:wtf:
of coarse its gonna be good...since when do they downgrade performance on their top car?

[Kung Fu Grip]

Have you guy's seen the foria it look's like a mini Skyline ...look's as Small as a MX-6 or something pretty cool...It's at the Tokyo Motor website..Hope it's rwd !

[Anthony Macaluso]

People need to start disassociating the Skyline name with the GTR. They are now different cars and will be know as Infiniti GTRs across the GLOBE (although I'm betting most of the suspension components will be derived off of the G35/Skyline). This is Carlos Ghosn's 'vision' and the reasoning as to why he trademarked the Infiniti name in Japan. Really, this GTR is not even a japanese car anymore...it was pretty much completely designed in Europe and under the very watchful eye of Mr. Ghosn. At least he wants the car to be a global competitor.

[Kung Fu Grip]

it will be a the best supercar to get under 100k..
best selling car? yeah right...


^:wtf:
of coarse its gonna be good...since when do they downgrade performance on their top car?

I wasin't say there going to downgrade it i was just saying it's going to be badass ...that's the whole point of my post lol...maybe it will be the best selling I should say "sport's car" if the price it right in the u.s

[Jordan T]

it will be over 5k no doubt.

[EludeR]

VQ32DETT, is what is supposedly supposed to go in it. Supposed to be a cosworth development from my understanding as well.

[Jordan T]

it says 4 hours before release, is that for the pics or for the skyline? it is coming here.

[nismo180]

more info http://www.r35gtr.com/

[EludeR]

more info http://www.r35gtr.com/ Not all the information on their is accurate.

[EludeR]

Motortrend on the GT-R :
"Nissan Skyline GT-R

You’re looking at 80 to 90 percent of the 2008 production GT-R, according to Nissan design chief Shiro Nakamura. We can’t tell you whether it will be sold in North America as the Nissan GT-R or the Infiniti GT-R, because Nissan brass claims it hasn’t decided. By now, fights ought to be breaking out between U.S. Nissan and Infiniti dealerships anxious to get this M3/Z06/Cayman/NSX/Lexus supercoupe-fighter in showrooms. We can end rumors that Nissan would slide in a 4.5-liter V-8 for North America and tell you that the United States get the same engine as the rest of the world. The engine we expect for the GT-R worldwide will be a highly tuned twin-turbo 3.5-liter V-6, powering the rear wheels. The GT-R Proto features a small break in the roofline aiding what Nakamura says is a very aerodynamic package. Its twin round taillamps help “express the heyday of the GT-R,” a car until now has not officially been sold outside of Japan. The ’08 model launching in late ’07 will be the first GT-R sold in left- as well as right-hand-drive versions. The Proto’s front end is a bit “conceptual,” which means it needs a real-world front bumper and headlamps, but this show car is a solid approximation of the reborn street legend coming to our shores."
The gallery: http://motortrend.com/autoshows/112_05tokyo_nissan_skyline_gtr_gallery/index.html

[EludeR]

After looking at the rear end more closely , they have gone for a more ferrari like look then anything.

[Kung Fu Grip]

The back bumper looking at it from the side look's like a corvette.Now that i think about they did like the same thing to the head light's as the new VW's with that black shit but still is cool tho....lol

[hachibill]

that thing looks like crap. especially the front end. and nissan misses again. i'm still waiting for them to do something right. they should have just put a more agressive g35 coupe body on it.in my opinion the best looking skylines were the r32/r33. very muscular. the roof line is good on the new car, but the front and back suck.

[EludeR]

that thing looks like crap. especially the front end. and nissan misses again. i'm still waiting for them to do something right. they should have just put a more agressive g35 coupe body on it.in my opinion the best looking skylines were the r32/r33. very muscular. the roof line is good on the new car, but the front and back suck. They said that the front is going to recieve some changes. I like the backend/roofline, but the front end needs some refinement. And i do agree the R32 is the better looking of the bunch.

[silviaivlis]

its a vq32dett, 450hp est, attessa-ETS, RAS (formaly known as HICAS. Stands for Rear Active Steering, same on the new Ms and the 07 g35s). 7 speed "manumatic" w/ revmatching. Base price est between 90 and 120k. At least thats what my sources here at Infiniti say. . .

I hope its an Infiniti. Nissan NA has no reason to be selling a porche killer for that price.

[hachibill]

ghey. hate to say it but hows that gonna compete with the ZO6? damn chevy and their pushrods of fury!! hahahahaahahahhahaah i think i heard a toilet flush at nissan.

[Mars_302]

ghey. hate to say it but hows that gonna compete with the ZO6? damn chevy and their pushrods of fury!! hahahahaahahahhahaah i think i heard a toilet flush at nissan.

at 90-120k, you can have a GT as well.

[hachibill]

nissan=fail

[sil8ty]

That thing looks evil. Lets hope they back up the looks with sick power and suspension.

[silviaivlis]

Well, concidering that the GT-R's really only had about 335hp and where very potent against much more powerful cars im not dissapointed. Im actually shocked that Nissan said "up yours" to all the other Japanese companies and are going to make a car that breaks the gentelmanly agreement of no more that "276hp". The GT-R is sticking to the original plan since the R32, and that to overload an underpowered car with so much technology that it still has an advantage. Besides, who would want to drive a $120k Ford? they can barely make anything good for $20k. And the Vettes soooo fast and soo powerful, but no one under age 75 is going to buy one. . . .

[FC3Cturbo]

dam, that cars ugly.

[Mars_302]

Well, concidering that the GT-R's really only had about 335hp and where very potent against much more powerful cars im not dissapointed. Im actually shocked that Nissan said "up yours" to all the other Japanese companies and are going to make a car that breaks the gentelmanly agreement of no more that "276hp". The GT-R is sticking to the original plan since the R32, and that to overload an underpowered car with so much technology that it still has an advantage. Besides, who would want to drive a $120k Ford? they can barely make anything good for $20k. And the Vettes soooo fast and soo powerful, but no one under age 75 is going to buy one. . . .


And who is going to be buying this 90k Nissan?

[DriftFC]

I think it looks like shit. The early modded G35ish concepts looked alot better. Plus for that price the new Supra will own it's ass.

[sil8ty]

I think its up in the air..remember that most new remodels end up changed by the 1st revision....they may be depending upon the g35 too much, but respect for the innovations and tributes to the r32/33/34 models. Its a very good start...

[hachibill]

its still ugly as all sin. and the price is too high.

[EludeR]

Nobody is going to buy a 120k japenese sports car , when they can get a much better german sports car that will mop the floor with it for around the same price figure. I'am sorry , but the GT-R gained it's reputation by offering alot for what it sold for, it competed with european cars that costed much more. With the introduction of the new 911 turbo , this thing will just go down the toilet , if they sell it for that kind of money , if they keep it under 70k it will atleast have some kind of a market.
*EDIT* If you do not agree with me , look at the NSX , 80+k dollar honda , it was way overpriced , for less you could/can get a 911 that would mop the floor with it. And for a little more the higher end 911's would leave it as if it was standing still. It was a great car , but it did not sell well.

[silviaivlis]

honestly i would take an NSX over any kraut pos on the market today. Ive driven a few 911's and for all that legacy and craftsmanship germans claim to put into developing thier cars it still felt like rowing a boat to me. German cars are todays edsels. good ideas made by the wrong people. Did you know that if your bettery dies in a porsche you have to get it towed to a dealership?? Yeah, the geniouses over in deutchland decided it was a good idea to make the bonnet electric, so when your battery dies you cant get to it to jump it unless you power the fuse externaly to pop the hood. What person who can afford those cars will think of that? Its little things like that that make me hate those cars. The M3 BMW is nice, if one likes a jarring ride, horrible tire noise and the frequent labor bills. Nissan is the only Japanese company trying to go in the right direction here, why flame them? Look at Toyota! Go Go Scion!

Mind, this is all matter of opinion. Im sure some people enjoy dealing with all the little idiocies of those cars. and in regards to mopping the floor with blah blah blah, I'll just say that firstly, few people race thier cars as they where designed, be them porsches or Hondas, and secondly its all a matter of taste.

Driving ability means a bit too. Oh, and mopping blah blah, a Nismo S-tune r34 GT-R can keep up with a 911 gt3 porsche and stomp a Ferarri f350 and its alot cheaper than both of them. This car is claiming very similiar numbers as the Nismo R34 for a similiar price, so i dont doubt it will be formidable at the track.

Oh, and the new supra, also known as the Lexus LF500 (Based on the LF-S concept, i think) is supposed to be around 150k and be a mid engine v10. Not in the same class as the new GT-R, even if it is built.

Cheers

[EludeR]

honestly i would take an NSX over any kraut pos on the market today. Ive driven a few 911's and for all that legacy and craftsmanship germans claim to put into developing thier cars it still felt like rowing a boat to me. German cars are todays edsels. good ideas made by the wrong people. Did you know that if your bettery dies in a porsche you have to get it towed to a dealership?? Yeah, the geniouses over in deutchland decided it was a good idea to make the bonnet electric, so when your battery dies you cant get to it to jump it unless you power the fuse externaly to pop the hood. What person who can afford those cars will think of that? Its little things like that that make me hate those cars. The M3 BMW is nice, if one likes a jarring ride, horrible tire noise and the frequent labor bills. Nissan is the only Japanese company trying to go in the right direction here, why flame them? Look at Toyota! Go Go Scion!

Mind, this is all matter of opinion. Im sure some people enjoy dealing with all the little idiocies of those cars. and in regards to mopping the floor with blah blah blah, I'll just say that firstly, few people race thier cars as they where designed, be them porsches or Hondas, and secondly its all a matter of taste.

Driving ability means a bit too. Oh, and mopping blah blah, a Nismo S-tune r34 GT-R can keep up with a 911 gt3 porsche and stomp a Ferarri f350 and its alot cheaper than both of them. This car is claiming very similiar numbers as the Nismo R34 for a similiar price, so i dont doubt it will be formidable at the track.

Oh, and the new supra, also known as the Lexus LF500 (Based on the LF-S concept, i think) is supposed to be around 150k and be a mid engine v10. Not in the same class as the new GT-R, even if it is built.

Cheers I have ridden in and driven several E36 and E46 BMW's, as well as a 993. I fail to see what you would define as a jarring ride, horrible tire noise, or the "rowing a boat feeling". They are VERY refined machines, everything about the car has been given a very high attention to detail , from the instrumentation to the climate control buttons to just about every mechanical/electrical aspect. They have steering communication 2nd to none. These cars as well as porsche`'s are some of the most feared cars on road circuits accross the globe. I have never driven a german car where it felt like it was "rowing a boat". Take the Z32 as a japenese example. They are a huge pain to work on, and are plauged with common/frequent problems, and do require a extra mile of maintnence then most cars would (What sports car wouldn't ? ) if you expect to get some life out of it. And as the R32/R33/R34 cars ago just from looking a the FSM's it is not a car i would want to work on myself (so labor expenses apply here) as well as the extra maintnence of a sports car of this caliber. Hell just from owning my s13 over the past 2 years , i have seen alot of common problematic traits among these cars (rear brake calipers , sticking dash sticks, timing chain tensioners e.t.c.)so japenese cars are not free of "idiocies"(I have yet to see a german cars with rear brake calipers that fall off over time , and require frequent adjustment/tightening). Also i do not think the R34 was officially sold in any other country outside of japan(They where imported and converted to u.k. specs , and the U.A.E. did get a very limited amount of left hand drive R34's do it would be hard to get a price figure). All i was saying is that the GT-R's always have known to deliver awesome all around performance for the money. With the next one if they do impede into the 80-120k territory , they will be dangerously deep into porsche` 911 turbo territory. The fact is german cars are better thought out , have better brake/steering feel and response ,and are better built then japenese cars. Japan has built it's share of garbage (Insert pic of Mitsubishi starion here, as well as other various mitsubishi's). If kraut cars suck so much , then why do the japenese tend to copy/imitate their designs ? If i could afford a german car i would definetely own one over a japenese car (In other words i'd rather drive a kraut pos then a cheap japenese imitation). But for the money the japenese sports car is a excellent value.

P.S. How can you compare honda to Porsche` (the two don't even belong in the same sentence)?

[Jordan T]

i would have to agree with elude on the bmw statament. ive driven a few 03 m3's and i must say that is one hell of a car. ive never driven a car that will top 140 mph and go to a complete stop faster than you can say "what the fuck!". that was with the smg gearbox though. ive also driven a 700+ hp supra and i cant say that i would take m3 over the jza80, because i wouldnt. i love m3's but they are almost maxed out engine wise. a stock TT supra makes 20-30 more hp than the m3 stock, and with about 5g's into the engine your fucking up lambos. and nsx's are over priced, nice cars but over priced. care to mention the new corvette zo6? 505 hp for around 60k. i see a winner.

[EludeR]

i would have to agree with elude on the bmw statament. ive driven a few 03 m3's and i must say that is one hell of a car. ive never driven a car that will top 140 mph and go to a complete stop faster than you can say "what the fuck!". that was with the smg gearbox though. ive also driven a 700+ hp supra and i cant say that i would take m3 over the jza80, because i wouldnt. i love m3's but they are almost maxed out engine wise. a stock TT supra makes 20-30 more hp than the m3 stock, and with about 5g's into the engine your fucking up lambos. and nsx's are over priced, nice cars but over priced. care to mention the new corvette zo6? 505 hp for around 60k. i see a winner. They are in a high state of tune (The E46 engines). But they are very capable engines when/if boosted, the 2jz is one of the greatest internal combustion engines ever built, it has a significant advantage because it is already turbocharged. The M3 is a diffrent car though, common among most german cars they tend to shine on road courses , and daily driving. You can be doing 100+ in a BMW and it will feel as if you are only doing 65mph. Don't get me wrong i love skylines , they are awesome cars but they are not on porsche` level. I loved them becuase they where cars that put function ahead of form, and gave one helluva a overall performance punch for the price(Not because they are JDM like most skyline fanboys). As things stand current , i believe porsche` has breaken/held more records then any other automobile manufacture (aside from f-1 records - Ferrari) and their endurance racing records say alot about their reliability. They are immensly well built cars, it has been said , that you can take every bolt off of a porsche` and the car will still remain in one piece. As a kid growing up , i don't think i've ever dreamed/wanted to own a car as bad as i'd like to own the 911, and i still feel the same today. Although i do not like the fact that they build a suv now :roll:.

[Kung Fu Grip]

Has any of those been band from a forum of racing other then the Skyline?/

And what about the RB26DETT? The Baddest MOtherFin motor eveR ...

[zx1400r1ryde2dy]

Wow... I thought they'd atleast keep front headlight descent... not to futuristic!

[RaidenKing]

I don't understand why they didn't just keep the last chassis for the skyline, convert to LHD, tweak the engine a bit and sell it here in the states. I think Nissan would have made a killing with both awd and rwd versions of the skylines sold in the states.
Needless to say, I'm not a big fan of the NEW GT-R but I'll have to see one in person before I decide.

[EludeR]

Has any of those been band from a forum of racing other then the Skyline?/

And what about the RB26DETT? The Baddest MOtherFin motor eveR ... Have you graduated from highschool yet (or are you still taking night classes for that GED? No Option sticker for you.) ? The Audi quattro's where the first cars to start getting the AWD/4WD unfair advantage title, and where banned from many racing events. Porsche built the 959 to exploit the advantages of AWD , but they raced them in rallys for the most part , and not in tarmac/asphalt racing (they knew that they would have eventually been outlawed). Let me pass this question on to you , how many 24/+hr events have skyline's/z's won in their lifetime.

[Kung Fu Grip]

Um..i don't know that's why I asked numb nut's ...and as of what you asked me I am out of school...and of the info you asked for here is just a lil info on the racing history of the skyline for you...let's go back in time to 1989 Nissan debuted the GT-R to compete in the JTC (Japan Touring Car)
Group A racing series. The GT-R was undefeated in its first season. 4 years
running the GT-R won the championship in the JTC Group A series, a record of
29 wins out of 29 races.

Because of its dominance, the Skyline was given its own series in 1994 the
JGTC, (Japan GT car) series.

In 1991 Nurburgring 24 hour endurance race (First participation) Skyline GT-R
won the Group N class. At the Spa Francorchamps 24 hour endurance race 1991
the GT-R won overall beating Group A, and Group N1 cars. From 1991 -1997 the
Skyline was undefeated in N1 endurance racing in Japan, winning 50 times. :overkill:

[Kung Fu Grip]

RaidenKing they Stoped making the R34 chassis and the RB motor's ...:(

[hachibill]

Has any of those been band from a forum of racing other then the Skyline?/

And what about the RB26DETT? The Baddest MOtherFin motor eveR ...


um, yeah right, i don't think soo. baddest motor ever huh, um how come they can't get over 1000hp out of the stock bottom end with out them blowing up????? 2j does that all day. last time i checked you had to do internals on anything above 650hp on a rb26. shit you can do 600 on an stock N/A 2j bottom end. not to say that the rb26 isn't a hell of a motor, but its not the baddest mo effer around by any means. i'd say as far as inline 6's go its 3rd right after the M3 motor. but #1 will always be the 2J.

[Kung Fu Grip]

loL.not to Step on the toyota master's toe's but i think they rank around the Same ..there has been a War between those to motor's for year's ...i like em both but i like the RB26DETT better ..But that's just my 2Cent's not that it matter's or anything ..

[EludeR]

Um..i don't know that's why I asked numb nut's ...and as of what you asked me I am out of school...and of the info you asked for here is just a lil info on the racing history of the skyline for you...let's go back in time to 1989 Nissan debuted the GT-R to compete in the JTC (Japan Touring Car)
Group A racing series. The GT-R was undefeated in its first season. 4 years
running the GT-R won the championship in the JTC Group A series, a record of
29 wins out of 29 races.

Because of its dominance, the Skyline was given its own series in 1994 the
JGTC, (Japan GT car) series.

In 1991 Nurburgring 24 hour endurance race (First participation) Skyline GT-R
won the Group N class. At the Spa Francorchamps 24 hour endurance race 1991
the GT-R won overall beating Group A, and Group N1 cars. From 1991 -1997 the
Skyline was undefeated in N1 endurance racing in Japan, winning 50 times. :overkill: I could care less about the JGTC or JTC (where only japenese cars run because the GTR>other japenese sports cars obviously). It has won a total of 2 world class events, now compare this to the damn near countless acolades the 911 has achieved thus far (without AWD ). They are two very diffrent cars and are not in the same class , and i do not know why fanboys like to compare them. While the GT-R is a car that is easier to drive at it's limits and fairly forgiving , the 911 is more of a precision tool , that doesn't take as well to mistakes. BTW thanks for using proper english in this reply.

[EludeR]

um, yeah right, i don't think soo. baddest motor ever huh, um how come they can't get over 1000hp out of the stock bottom end with out them blowing up????? 2j does that all day. last time i checked you had to do internals on anything above 650hp on a rb26. shit you can do 600 on an stock N/A 2j bottom end. not to say that the rb26 isn't a hell of a motor, but its not the baddest mo effer around by any means. i'd say as far as inline 6's go its 3rd right after the M3 motor. but #1 will always be the 2J. Thank you bill. I've also read that the RB26's stock oiling system doesn't do enough at longer high rpm runs (see road racing). While the 996+ engines make use of a dry sump oil system that has no trouble with keeping the engine well lubricated. I see that this is a factor among many japenese engines , not just the RB26(not so sure about the 2jz-gte).

[Kung Fu Grip]

I could care less about the JGTC or JTC (where only japenese cars run because the GTR>other japenese sports cars obviously). It has won a total of 2 world class events, now compare this to the damn near countless acolades the 911 has achieved thus far (without AWD ). They are two very diffrent cars and are not in the same class , and i do not know why fanboys like to compare them. While the GT-R is a car that is easier to drive at it's limits and fairly forgiving , the 911 is more of a precision tool , that doesn't take as well to mistakes. BTW thanks for using proper english in this reply.
You asked I answered..you asked if a Skyline has won I answered yes with proof and don't get all pissy ..Nor do I care about over priced car's like 911 or any other overpriced germen car,The fact you try to say only japenese sports car's Run that is not true .../ I don't care what kind of tool you make a 911 ..you could use it as a Garden tool who give's a fuck ...

[EludeR]

You asked I answered..you asked if a Skyline has won I answered yes with proof and don't get all pissy ..Nor do I care about over priced car's like 911 or any other overpriced germen car,The fact you try to say only japenese sports car's Run that is not true .../ I don't care what kind of tool you make a 911 ..you could use it as a Garden tool who give's a fuck ... Overpriced? You get what you pay for in this case. Now if you want overpriced you should look at a NSX. Pissy over what? Garden tool ? I think you have the 911 mistaken for a dsm (cars wich become lawn ornaments due to reliability problems.) :lol:. The whole reasoning of my argument was the GT-R becoming a car like the NSX , wich would then make it overpriced. By the way , it's german , not germen.

[Kung Fu Grip]

The whole thing was over You asking Quoting me and asking if I KNew if the Skyline ever Won 24/ whatever you wanted to know And I answered you with Proof that the skyline Blow's a 911 "german" pos out of the Water and No wHere did you say anything about a NSX in your post ...I think your the one that need's to go back to highschool and do your homework before you posting saying there is only japenese sports car's run the JGTC ;) ....The "german" pos car your talking about is in it Ass :roll: ...I guess that Must be a japenese precision tool your talking about ...not the overpriced "german" pos car that if the battary goes dead you can't open the bonnet and you have to get it towed back to the dealer.... :lol:

[spoonfed]

thats hot! but also a fuckload of money.

[Mongoose]

The Sports car market is dying on all sides. They put climate control on sports cars thats for SUVs and sedans. I wish they would just go back to making sports cars that are fun to drive, reliable, and not overpriced.

[EludeR]

The whole thing was over You asking Quoting me and asking if I KNew if the Skyline ever Won 24/ whatever you wanted to know And I answered you with Proof that the skyline Blow's a 911 "german" pos out of the Water and No wHere did you say anything about a NSX is your post ...I think your the one that need's to go back to highschool and do your homework before you posting saying there is only japenese sports car's run the JGTC ;) ....The "german" pos car your talking about is in it Ass :roll: ...I guess that Must be a japenese precision tool your talking about ...not the overpriced "german" pos car that if the battary goes dead you can't open the bonnet and you have to get it towed back to the dealer.... :lol: You mentioned 2 races where the skyline has succeeded on a international level and suddenly it blows the 911 out of the water (wich has one damn close to every year in the production class/s at the ring). Oh whooptiedoo you finally know howto spell german now that i have revealed the proper spelling to you douschebag. All you have to do is goto my previous post about the NSX being overpriced as a comparison of what would happen if they overpriced the GT-R. I need to goto highschool ? look at your damn reply it's one big damn runoff sentence, I have seen kids in middle school that have better writing skills then you do. I have been writing computer code since i was the age of 15 (specializing in the C programming language while having knowledge of 4 other languages and various scripting languages), a vast knowledge of Unix and variants, and deep knowledge of networking. What do you know ? Let me guess , Howto drop out of highschool , indulging yourself with narcotics , playing granturismo , playing with yourself at night, and using other peoples opinions (the 911 battery comment,and BTW their is ways of getting it opened if your battery does go dead) to try and justify your stupid fanboy granturismo derived opinion. Now here are actual facts:
7:59 --- 154.822 kph -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 1997)
8:09 --- 151.656 kph -- Honda NSX-R, 320 hp/1467 kg (sport auto 08/2002)
8:24 --- 147.143 kph -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (company test driver in 2004)
8:25 --- 146.851 kph – Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI, 300 hp/1466 kg (sport auto 11/1999)
8:25 --- 146.851 kph – Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (11/2002)
8:26 --- 146.561 kph -- Nissan 350Z, 280 hp/1526 kg (sport auto 10/2003)
8:28 --- 145.984 kph -- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277hp
8:33.80 144.336 kph -- Honda NSX (6-speed) Coupe, 276hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:37 --- 143.443 kph -- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- 143.443 kph -- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo, 218 hp/1290 kg (sport auto 03/2000)
8:37 --- 143.443 kph -- Honda NSX 3.0 (sport auto 07/1991)
8:37.10 143.415 kph -- Nissan GTR V, 350hp (Top Gear maagzine)
8:39 --- 142.890 kph -- Honda S2000, 240 hp/1275 kg (sport auto 01/2000)
8:43 --- 141.797 kph -- Honda Integra Type R (sport auto 12/2000)
8:47 --- 140.721 kph -- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 hp/1246 kg (sport auto 11/2001)

Now the "German/Kraut POS cars"
Nordschleife:
7:06 --- BMW M3 GTR, 24hrs, test session, Jörg Müller (2003)
7:19 --- Radical SR3 Turbo (2003), >>> Link
7:20* -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 2003) *estimated
7:25 --- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:28 --- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl, Autobild July 2004 >>> Link
7:32.4 -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma
7:32.5 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (2001) >>> Link
7:36 --- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:40* -- Porsche Carrera GT, *estimated time on cold and partially wet track (2003)
7:40 --- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig, Autobild July 2004 >>> Link
7:42 --- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
7:43 --- TechArt GT Street (2001)
7:43 --- Porsche 996 911 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Rohrl, MOTOR Magazine
7:43.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine, 2002)
7:44 --- Pagani Zonda C12S (2003)
7:45 --- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 (2000)
7:46 --- Porsche 996 GT2
7:46 --- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (1999)
7:47 --- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381PS (996) (2004)
7:49 --- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
7:50 --- BMW E46 M3 CSL (08/2003)
7:50 --- Blitz Supra, 750 PS, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (1993)
7:50 --- Lamborghini Murcielago (06/2002)
7:52 --- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (1995)
7:52 --- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (12/2003)
7:52 --- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (06/2004)
7:54 --- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- Caterham R500 Superlight (2002)
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (tested by Dave Hill)
7:57 --- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600 PS, racing suspension
7:59 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Performance Chassis) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:02 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Sport PASM setting) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:03 --- Porsche 996 GT3 (1999)
8:04 --- Lamborghini Diablo GT (07/2000)
8:05 --- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1 (12/2002)
8:05 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Normal PASM setting)(Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:06 --- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG
8:06 --- Caterham 7 Superlight R, Robert Nearn
8:07 --- Ferrari 550 Maranello (06/1998)
8:09 --- Honda NSX-R 3.2 (08/2002)
8:09 --- Ferrari 360 Modena (10/1999)
8:09 --- Lamborghini Diablo SV (no ABS?)
8:10 --- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411PS, UK-Spec, no ABS (10/1997)
8:10 --- Donkervoort D8 180R
8:12 --- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (04/2002)
8:12 --- Porsche 993 Turbo
8:13 --- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS (05/1999)
8:13 --- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 PS (10/2004)
8:15 --- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 PS
8:15*-- Holden GTS (2000), *estimated
8:15 --- Porsche 911 Carrera 2 (997) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:16 --- AC-Schnitzer E36 M3 CLS II, 350 PS (11/1997)
8:17 --- Aston Martin Vanquish (2003)
8:17 --- Porsche 996 C2
8:18 --- BMW Z8, 400 PS (08/2000)
8:18 --- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS (09/2003)
8:18 --- Ferrari F355 (06/1997)
8:20 --- Audi RS6 (2002)
8:22 --- BMW E46 M3 (12/2000)
8:22 --- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS (10/1998)
8:22 --- Mercedes-Benz C55 (07/2004)
8:23 --- Aston Martin DB7 GT (2003)
8:23 --- Porsche 996 Carrera 4
8:24 --- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (2004)
8:25 --- Audi RS4 375 HP
8:25 --- Callaway C12
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI (11/1999)
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (11/2002)
8:26 --- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG (05/2001)
8:26 --- Nissan 350Z (2003)
8:28 --- BMW M5, 400 PS(also confirmed by Motor Commodore magazine, 2000)
8:28 --- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- Porsche 993 Carrera 2
8:29 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG (05/2000)
8:29 --- Audi S4 4.2 Avant (11/2003)
8:30 --- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa (10/2002)
8:31 --- Ferrari F355 GTS, 380 PS
8:32 --- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS (09/1997)
8:32 --- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (05/2003)
8:32 --- Porsche Boxster S
8:32 --- Volkswagen Golf R32
8:34 --- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS (04/2001)
8:35 --- BMW M3 Coupe, 321 PS
8:35 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé (02/2002)
8:36 --- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (07/1999)
8:37 --- Maserati 3200GT (2002)
8:37 --- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG (09/2001)
8:37 --- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo
8:37 --- Honda NSX 3.0 (07/1991)
8:38 --- Honda NSX 3.2 (08/1997)
8:38 --- Mercedes Benz SL500 (12/2001)
8:38 --- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296 PS
8:38 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8 (12/1998)
8:39 --- Honda S2000 (01/2000)
8:39 --- Morgan Aero 8 (04/2003)
8:40 --- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5 Targa Automatic (07/1997)
8:41 --- Aston Martin DB7 (1999)
8:41 --- Audi S3, 210 PS (06/1999)
8:42 --- Audi S4, 265 PS (08/1998)
8:42 --- Lotus Exige (11/2000)
8:43 --- Honda Integra Type R (12/2000)
8:44 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5
8:45 --- Chevrolet Corvette, 339 PS, automatic
8:46 --- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
8:47 --- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS (11/2001)
8:49 --- Jaguar XKR Coupe (07/1998)
8:49 --- Renault Clio Sport V6
8:49 --- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS (11/1998)
8:51 --- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG (02/1998)
8:52 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 430
8:58 --- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (07/1991)
9:09 --- Volkswagen Golf V6 4Motion
My .... my , I wonder what happened to your glorious skyline. Notice the Blitz Supra times (very powerful supra) vs. some of the less powerful porsche`'s including the GT3 on the list with probably half the horespower it's running only 4seconds behind it.

[EludeR]

http://www.gscdownloads.com/leh/sebring/RSatSebringHIDEF.wmv Quick somebody tell this guy and the other porsche`'s running here that their "bonnets will not open if their battery dies" ,"their cars are overpriced"," slow" , and they should be racing BNR34s because they are SOOO much faster. Another development: Modded porsche` GT2 7:15,63 min (this is a northring/loop time as are the previous times posted)

translated to english (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kw-gmbh.de%2Fmotorsport%2Fpages%2Findex.php%3Frubric% 3D%26report%3D736%26archive%3D0%26offset%3D0&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools) orignal german page (http://www.kw-gmbh.de/motorsport/pages/index.php?rubric=&report=736&archive=0&offset=0)

[RaidenKing]

whoa uhhh someone just got really emo about their stance on german cars huh?
Different people will like different things. One's most preferable car is based on what again? OH right individual preference. German sports cars are not Kraut pieces of shit and japanese sports cars aren't too bad themselves.


Lets leave it at that and get back to talking about what this version of the skyline does/doesn't do for you.

[Kung Fu Grip]

Where did I say there Slow? I was Just Stating my opinion's and Yes I still think there a pos car and that's my opinion ,Stupid fanboy granturismo derived opinion I think not.You wanted me to answer you... I did with Fact's of a skyline Winning, I was telling you to go back to School becuse you don't know your Fact's about the JGTC and say OHH only japenese sports car's Run that is not a true fact.GET YOUR FACT'S STRIGHT BEFORE TRYING TO PROVE SOMTHING, Oh and you never said anything to me about a NSX,Somthing's are Fact's Somthing's are Opinion's and if you Don't like it Shove it...The END/ oh and thank's for the personal attack's,you have a real class act there.. your a winner Buddie... :thumbup:

[Kung Fu Grip]

okay So ..Does anyone know about the color's this thing's going to be? loL

[EludeR]

Where did I say there Slow? I was Just Stating my opinion's and Yes I still think there a pos car and that's my opinion ,Stupid fanboy granturismo derived opinion I think not.You wanted me to answer you... I did with Fact's of a skyline Winning, I was telling you to go back to School becuse you don't know your Fact's about the JGTC and say OHH only japenese sports car's Run that is not a true fact.GET YOUR FACT'S STRIGHT BEFORE TRYING TO PROVE SOMTHING, Oh and you never said anything to me about a NSX,Somthing's are Fact's Somthing's are Opinion's and if you Don't like it Shove it...The END/ oh and thank's for the personal attack's,you have a real class act there.. your a winner Buddie... :thumbup: I wasn't referring to you specifically in all my posts/replys (do you feel that special ?), so the slow comment and the nsx comparo wasn't directed towards you. And for the record, how many Japenese cars compete in the JGTC , and how many non japenese cars compete in the JGTC? My facts have already been proven. I've already proven my points (with facts) , you've lost , and I have won. Your opinion however (about german cars being kraut pos's) , are backed by none. This is a fact , the 911 is a better performing machine then the Skyline GT-R , if you don't like it you can shove it (or learn howto write better atleast!).I've already said my opinion as you have said yours and i feel that i will not need to reply/add anything to this and that we should try and stay on subject. Further continuince of this argument is senseless and is not needed (nor will i continue it). If you feel you have anything to say ,just pm me , instead of letting the fire spread.

[silviaivlis]

Other ways of opening the bonet? Yes, i do believe i did say the other way, that is to jump the fuse in the drivers kick panel with a jump box, then the switch is powered. But why, i ask, is the damn thing powered in the first place??

I end in saying that many German cars are full of little annoyancies like this and it is a primary reason i do not like thier cars. Now, being about as enthusiastic about Japanese cars as you two seem to be about German cars, i must add that none of the cars on those lists are stock, nor are they driven by the same people, let alone regular enthuists like ourselves. Michael Shumacker in a Pinto would kick my ass in a Veyron, so comparing notes of track times is usless and redundant.

On Japanese copying everone, well, what else is new?? But i make the point in saying that other countries' inventions have always been copied and then improved by the Japanese. Kodak made Beta, Sony made VHS. Which are we using now?? This has happened through out history. In the beginning of the Meiji period the Japanese where Feudal, then in a matter of 30 years they where as industrial as any western nation. They are very good at taking anothers ideas and making them better, so as for german cars i would much rather drive a G35 than a 325i, the former being nothing more than a direct copy of the latter. Yes all because I dont like hard seats and electric bonnet poppers. Its a pet peeve. Its a preference. Now if you really want to continue your guys' crusade for german supiriority by all means, but we realize how much you like them, you realize how much we like Japanese cars. Nothing else need be said.

[Kung Fu Grip]

Thank you,Silviaivlis that was Said with Greatness,that's What I was trying to say but didn't come out right. loL

[DriftFC]

This reminds me of the old video where the Skyline takes an agricultural excursion to pass the 911.

[silviaivlis]

i do remember that vid. Good ole AWD

[Kung Fu Grip]

haha

[Kung Fu Grip]

When the Hell is this thing Comming I Want to Sit in one at a dealer LOL..Wishing that I could Buy it