Tech Forums Showdown

[Civichik05]

Is anybody thinking of doing the tech forums showdown?

[myltwon]

anyone have a car to donate?

or we could all throw money down on like a 3rd gen bird/maro and go from there :lol:

[Mars_302]

honestly your guys best bet is a 80s box chevy/olds/buickl

[myltwon]

we might be able to find like a t-type somewhere being sold by someone who doesn't know what they have

or get a beat ass vega/nova and drop in something decent

[BAMF]

Find an old rusted Chibby, and call it weight reduction. :) Well, I figure I've seen many of the dumbest fucking things by GM in existance since I've worked on my F-Body, so I'm down for manpower if you guys get a build together. I was gonna help on the Ford forum...but I like to work with more than a hammer and a pick :)

[Pennywise]

i kno where there is a 91 camaro rs with a 350 in it for 800 bucks if people wanna ch
ip in

[???]

this may work if we have more than 5 people in gm tech.......lol




who's really got the money to build a race car with these gas prices? it would take 50$+ just to take it to the track one night....

[Pennywise]

well theres no harm in wishful thinking lol

[???]

yeah i know what your saying. it could be fun and from what i see them putting together in the ford forum it wouldn't be to hard to beat with a something like a cheap 3rd gen with a carb and lots of spray because we'd have a more cubes and wouldn't have to worry about breaking the block....

but oh well

[Pennywise]

AAWWWW HELL!!!! i'll run someone in ford tech in my car someone like.....Jaso0on:evil2: lol (just fuckin with ya jason)

[GTman85]

Im down to help. Money is tight specially for 3.19 a fuckin gallon for gas. Could maybe throw a nitrous kit for the build

[Pennywise]

hell ya man can't go wrong with spray

[EliteZ]

Last night around my house/area it was 2.99-3.09 for Premium. When the trucks fill up today, it should be up around 3.30-3.35 a gallon for regular I think. (I was talkin to a store owner last night)

[Frankie]

Someone buy me a cam and I'll finish the 383 and stick it in my lighted out, stock class drag body '67 :D I'll even let whoever buys the cam take it down the track!

[formula69]

i think gm tech should just forfeit before we waste our money... or build up an lt1.... :lol:

[Frankie]

Why don't we let Brian take his '69 Camaro to the track? He'd have a good chance.

[Sneakin Deacon]

our street car project is done with, Al was our main sponsor...he now drives it...black ss, may have seen it.

[Civichik05]

I could probably get a sb 400 cheap all it needs is a crank and i might be able to find a shell sitting around. I would say we could use my project but I want it to move afterward, and I just put a new engine in it.

[Frankie]

I could probably get a sb 400 cheap all it needs is a crank and i might be able to find a shell sitting around. I would say we could use my project but I want it to move afterward, and I just put a new engine in it.

And that'd be slower than most cars that are already in this forum. :dunno:

[formula69]

not mine.. i drive an lt1 lol

[Frankie]

That's right, the LT1 is the slowest car EVAR!!!! My wife's LT1 seems plenty fast to me when I drive it, so I don't know what all the hype is about. :dunno:

[???]

the idea is to get a cheap car and everyone help build it with parts they have or chip in on. not to just pick a fast guy that posts on here and ask him to race for us....

[formula69]

my buddy has a 3rd gen shell stripped the fuck out that we could use.. i have an lt1 block, a light weight fuel tank and some nitrous i could slap on.. if no one minded doin an lt1 i could get a stroker shortblock thrown together pretty darn cheap.. slap on some heads, a sick cam and some spray and we could have a light weight 700 hp 3rd gen...

[Frankie]

Well, I've got a crate of medium journal 5.7" rods, a bunch of pistons, a 327 block, 3.25" stroke forged crank, and other various misc smallblock parts. I'd rep the GM team over the other tech forums I post in. The bike tech guys want to build a 600cc sport bike, which is obviously not my bag.

[???]

i dont mine an lt1 because i don't think anyone is going to have any good heads laying around for a gen 1 so it doesn't really matter. be nice to get a carb intake for it thou. to much efi crap to deal with

[Frankie]

I've got a bad ass single plenum intake manifold and carb that I'd loan for the car build. It's a weiand medium rise intake and a street demon 750 mechanical secondary carb. They're going to go on my 383, but I'm not using them at the moment. I also have a 10 bolt, 8.5" rearend for an f-body sitting in my garage. It needs a rebuild though.

[formula69]

yeah carb stuff on lt1s is easy.. i could create a nice set of heads for it.. maybe if someone has a set of stock lt1 heads lying around i could do the port work.. match it up with a cam on a big stroker and we could make some serious power on the motor.. carbed with like a th350 in a car that weighs in the 2000s range wed be low 10s all motor if not lower.. anyone have a rear end?? lol

[Frankie]

yeah carb stuff on lt1s is easy.. i could create a nice set of heads for it.. maybe if someone has a set of stock lt1 heads lying around i could do the port work.. match it up with a cam on a big stroker and we could make some serious power on the motor.. carbed with like a th350 in a car that weighs in the 2000s range wed be low 10s all motor if not lower.. anyone have a rear end?? lol

Now we're talking! Like I said, I have a 10 bolt old school rear end laying around. We'd have to put new bearings, axles, gears, and diff in it though since I ate the thing alive. 8.5" ring though, so it's strong as hell, but it's currently setup with leaf spring perches.

[formula69]

I've got a bad ass single plenum intake manifold and carb that I'd loan for the car build. It's a weiand medium rise intake and a street demon 750 mechanical secondary carb. They're going to go on my 383, but I'm not using them at the moment. I also have a 10 bolt, 8.5" rearend for an f-body sitting in my garage. It needs a rebuild though.hmm.. i dont think that intake is gonna match up to lt1 heads.. that rear end could be a beast though.. but building a 10 bolt could end up being costly and not as effective.. but this is work with what you have so lets see what we can piece together

[Frankie]

hmm.. i dont think that intake is gonna match up to lt1 heads.. that rear end could be a beast though.. but building a 10 bolt could end up being costly and not as effective.. but this is work with what you have so lets see what we can piece together

8.5" 10 bolt is the same as an 8.5" 12 bolt except for the bolt pattern on the cover. The next best option is a Ford 9" rear end, but that'd be kinda gay for the GM tech forum car :D

LT1's use the same old school port pattern as any other SBC I thought. That means that my intake should bolt right on. If not, I still have a square bore 750cfm carb that'd sit on top of that engine nicely.

[Frankie]

Here's an idea. I've got the whole bottom end of a 327 that used to be in my SS when it was a stock class drag car. Low comp pistons, small journal rods, forged crank, .020" block that just needs a hone. We throw a set of rings in it and a set of LT1 heads on top. That leaves us with the option of during a sick duration cam and revving the motor to 9,000-10,000 RPM, which a 327 bottom end'll take, or we put a mild cam in it, force induction to it, and still take it up to high RPM.

[formula69]

yeah lets stick with our all mighty 10 bolt.. its only gotta go down the track a few times lol.. maybe someone has some gears and axles lying around or we can get em cheap.. ive launched on both my 10 bolts before and not had a problem.. anyone else have any ideas for a shell to put this in? if not ill call my buddy about his camaro.. i say we just all pitch in and buy a shell.. 200-300 bucks.. and we can paint it and make it all cool! anyone have a shop or a driveway to sponsor the buildup?

[Frankie]

Oh, we'd have to worry about the valvetrain, but the heads should take it as long as we stuck a set of roller rockers in it and some stiff springs.

[formula69]

Here's an idea. I've got the whole bottom end of a 327 that used to be in my SS when it was a stock class drag car. Low comp pistons, small journal rods, forged crank, .020" block that just needs a hone. We throw a set of rings in it and a set of LT1 heads on top. That leaves us with the option of during a sick duration cam and revving the motor to 9,000-10,000 RPM, which a 327 bottom end'll take, or we put a mild cam in it, force induction to it, and still take it up to high RPM.good idea, but if we are goin with a 327 bottom we cant use lt1 heads with reverse cooling.. and itd be pointless and expensive to as well.. we might as well use some traditional sbc heads.. id sway towards aluminum though.. i can still take care of some porting.. and a solid roller cam for it wont be all that expensive.. some of this stuff we might just need to bite the bullet about and buy new

[formula69]

Oh, we'd have to worry about the valvetrain, but the heads should take it as long as we stuck a set of roller rockers in it and some stiff springs.quite honestly im redoing the whole valvetrain on my lt1.. ill just go ahead and buy some shaft rockers and we can throw those in.. i think my buddy has some isky tripple valve springs lying around maybe we could use those.. valves wont be too hard to find, hardware might not be to hard either.. i can machine and assemble it all.. afr hydrarev??

[???]

a solid roller cam wouldn't be needed. just a cheap solid lifter one

[formula69]

yeah good idea.. still need a shop or heavily tooled garage.. and an organization date and actually piece this together otherwise we will STILL be the laughing stock of tampa racing's tech forums :lol:

[???]

i also think a stock 10bolt in a 3gen with 3.23 gears would hold up if we could keep it light and with an auto its not as hard on it. just no tanny brakes..lol and wait a few feet to spray it. just need a good stall and lots of spray to get it moving

[???]

yeah good idea.. still need a shop or heavily tooled garage.. and an organization date and actually piece this together otherwise we will STILL be the laughing stock of tampa racing's tech forums :lol:




i dont have a place to do any of this but i'd lend a hand and i do have a lm1 wide band set up do get it tuned up. but being layoff work means i have more time than money to chip in

[formula69]

i also think a stock 10bolt in a 3gen with 3.23 gears would hold up if we could keep it light and with an auto its not as hard on it. just no tanny brakes..lol and wait a few feet to spray it. just need a good stall and lots of spray to get it moving3.23s might not be the best option, but if we cant get another set of gears cheaper then it will do.. anyone have a tranny to donate that IS NOT a 4l60e?

[???]

yeah I'm just thinking 3.23s because they have one more pinion tooth than 3.42s so maybe a little stronger and about the same ratio

[???]

Well, I've got a crate of medium journal 5.7" rods, a bunch of pistons, a 327 block, 3.25" stroke forged crank, and other various misc smallblock parts. I'd rep the GM team over the other tech forums I post in. The bike tech guys want to build a 600cc sport bike, which is obviously not my bag.



hey i was just thinking of a cheap bike. but if you got something that has 2 wheels we could make fast for cheap...

[formula69]

yeah good point.. we will get it moving down the track with some nawwwzzz.. anyone a REALLY good driver?? last time i hit the track i didnt have a timeslip higher than a .590 r/t.. but then again i drive lt1s so what do i know :lol:

[formula69]

hey i was just thinking of a cheap bike. but if you got something that has 2 wheels we could make fast for cheap...only problem is that this is the gm tech forum.. kinda wanna stay within gm cars.. either way, any of the 5 people in here that post know how to drag a bike? lol

[???]

if its going to be heads up racing on a pro tree i'm good not great but good. if its a .500 sportmans tree i never even tryed. just went to get times out of my car

[formula69]

yeah i hope they do pro tree.. im sick of the sportsman crap.. either way for me though.. we need a car before we need a driver lol then we take it to bradenton and test out a few drivers skills.. our best chance is a light light car with that 327 frank has and a poweradder.. if he has nice low compression pistons in it then i bet we could piece together a pretty sick turbo setup really cheap

[???]

only problem is that this is the gm tech forum.. kinda wanna stay within gm cars.. either way, any of the 5 people in here that post know how to drag a bike? lol



no no i was the one that posted in bike tech about this becaues i have both and think building a bike would be fun and cheap to go fast......i said something about a 600cc just wanted frank to know a fast bike is a fast bike. i don't care



i really just hate fords and would help anyone even the honda guys beat them if i could..lol

[formula69]

lol sweet.. we will destroy ford.. i dont care about any of the other tech forums..

[Sneakin Deacon]

alright gentleman...this is my "theory"

3td gen shell...anything...we can utilize the LT1 block, as i have heads here that i can epoxy and weld back together, and then port, and i have full valvetrain aswell (stock). also have a "small" cam for a hydralic roller. would probably want bigger honestly.

i would be up for using franks carb setup, and almost positive the mounting is identical on it.

suggestion would be spray the way. i have a welder and grinder and fabricating stuff at disposal.

the 10bolt frank has sounds like the 10 bolt they use in the g-body LT1's, which will handle some hard slick tire launching. i have a 700R4 aswell, just needs to be freshened up and shift points corrected.

this doesnt need to be a high revving motor, 6000-6500 tops i would think. big stall and alot of traction.

as for driver, if its pro-tree i would like to give it a shot to prove myself, i have gotten consistant to cutting .42-.48 PT lights, but i havent sat at a tree in months now.

[Sneakin Deacon]

on 2nd thought, we could go to the junk yard and pick up a car before it gets sold to them...lol

[Civichik05]

I might be able to get a 3rd gen from a friend it needs a front bumper and hood for the body, and the V6 taken out of it

[Sneakin Deacon]

lets get real cheap and get a working v6...and ill weld up the turbo setup :lol:

[Civichik05]

would you want me to try and get the shell

[Teamcalloway03]

Good luck with your build guys....And see you at a future trackday;)

[Sneakin Deacon]

well we need a place to store this thing before we can even get it.

[Civichik05]

does anybody have a shop?

[Frankie]

Alright, if we don't want to use my 327 block, I still have a mess of 5.7" rods and low comp 4.020" pistons. We could bore out a 350 LT1 and use the low comp pistons if needed. The 10-bolt I have is definitely strong, I just haven't gotten around to rebuilding it for use in my car yet.

All this talk about 3.23 vs. whatever is meaningless. I have 3.73 gears and my car, a 30-something year old posi chunk, and old ass axles. I haven't broken anything yet.

Oh, I also have a 140 amp alternator and probably some distributor parts. I've got a ton of SBC junk in my garage.

[Sneakin Deacon]

1000 - 91 TPI Z28

http://flthirdgen.ipbhost.com/index.php?
showtopic=7445

too bad we dont have 100 GM tech people willing ot chip in 10 bucks :lol:

[formula69]

are there any set rules for this? i heard the dsm guys are just gonna use someones built car.. thats no fun...

[Sneakin Deacon]

already PM'd scott about it, seeing if we can open up a forum specifically for that purpose laying down ground rules, such as GM using a GM shell and powertrain, and likewise for the others..no sbc in a fox or anything. and having to show proof of purchase of a car, and to use common sense, if someone says they bought some fully built dsm for 350 bucks, id believe them cause it was probably broken, but its supposed to be a "team" effort.

[EliteZ]

What about that LT1 body for like 400 bucks that was for sell here? We could gut it.

[Sneakin Deacon]

eh, weight is gunna be the same, just more to take out of a 3rd gen though. and if this girl can get the v6 for free, ill take the free.

[EliteZ]

Yeah. That will work. So we got alot of options available. High Rev 327 with NAWZ, 350, LT1. What will make the best HP.

[Sneakin Deacon]

spray will be cheapest...but i would love to do a junkyard turbo on a V6 and boost the hell out of it

[formula69]

pshhh id love to do a junkyard turbo on franks 327 and boost the hell out of THAT!

[Sneakin Deacon]

do we have heads for his 327?

stock heads will be fine...and his low comp pistons will make it perfect.

[formula69]

im sure we can find some heads for it.. id say 327 fully forged low comp is the best bet.. lets get on top of the turbo build up...

[GsEclipse02]

already PM'd scott about it, seeing if we can open up a forum specifically for that purpose laying down ground rules, such as GM using a GM shell and powertrain, and likewise for the others..no sbc in a fox or anything. and having to show proof of purchase of a car, and to use common sense, if someone says they bought some fully built dsm for 350 bucks, id believe them cause it was probably broken, but its supposed to be a "team" effort.



i think it should be how the ford people are doing it were they all donate parts and what not ...

[Sneakin Deacon]

thats what were doing, donating what we can.

[???]

yeah there taking donating and keeping track of who gave what and when there done i think there going to sell and and split the money or something like that.

i say we going on pinks and talk some shit and win....ahahhaha

[myltwon]

I'd be willing to donate my n2o kit for temp use

[EliteZ]

So if it goes right we will get a free 3rd gen, a 327, we got 2 different offers of NOS kits. (hey lets combine them ;) ) Rearend, and a transmission. Now to get these parts secured, and put it in a location to build it. Who here could paint it?

[B16aTeggy]

So if it goes right we will get a free 3rd gen, a 327, we got 2 different offers of NOS kits. (hey lets combine them ;) ) Rearend, and a transmission. Now to get these parts secured, and put it in a location to build it. Who here could paint it?


i can spary it if yall get it over here..

ill be a front yard job. but i just primer my z28 and it came out like glass

$15 for primer(ill pay it) and just rock it primer!

heres my car.. sorry for the shity pic
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/rollingstock/Image040.jpg

[???]

primer rides for me

[Sneakin Deacon]

sand it down to the metal (and then some) and put a clear coat on it.

[???]

lol...

[BlackZ28]

if its strictly for best 1/4 time, we should get whatever car we can, gut the SHIT out of it, and come up with the best motor/trans combo that will give us the fastest consistant times. i was thinking 3rd/4th gen f-body with 350 plus lots of spray. I know some people in this forum know how to do a custom 2shot that yields great hp without compromising the motor. i think our BEST bet is too find an ls1 since it can produce more power than a traditional 350/lt1, but it might cost us some money. dont have anything laying around to donate, but i can help with working on it, and a little money to buy things we might need.

[EliteZ]

Hey I will go with Kenny on this one. Paint weighs.. So clearcoat the metal and we be Stylin! LS1 is probably out of the question unless Al happens to have one laying around, or hey convince RevX for a loner ;)

[???]

if its strictly for best 1/4 time, we should get whatever car we can, gut the SHIT out of it, and come up with the best motor/trans combo that will give us the fastest consistant times. i was thinking 3rd/4th gen f-body with 350 plus lots of spray. I know some people in this forum know how to do a custom 2shot that yields great hp without compromising the motor. i think our BEST bet is too find an ls1 since it can produce more power than a traditional 350/lt1, but it might cost us some money. dont have anything laying around to donate, but i can help with working on it, and a little money to buy things we might need.



no ls1's.....


we want to go fast for cheap. like less than you can buy just a ls1 motor for.

[myltwon]

I think our BEST bet is too find an ls1 since it can produce more power than a traditional 350/lt1

this is argueable, but the fact still remains that you can build a gen I/II sbc for the price of just an LS1

[Sneakin Deacon]

i can name numerous heads/cam packages that will make 550+rwhp on a G1 SBC. cant really name any for an LS1. so there goes that superiority complex.


Geo Storm. 327 DIY turbo with heads/cam

[myltwon]

Geo Storm. 327 DIY turbo with heads/cam

I'm with mr. dirt on this one

[formula69]

yeah +1... i have no idea how we are gonna squeeze a 10 bolt on a a geo metro but lets figure it out

[Pennywise]

i posted on the first of page but have been workin my ass off alot the past couple of days...alot has been said since then,I was wonderin if some could let me kno what we got so far.. i would really like to help so if some could just kinda recap what everyone has so far

thanks

[formula69]

so far we have a fully forged low compression 327 shortblock, nice manifold, probably some heads, a 700r4, a few different cars to put it in, a few different nitrous sets and hopes and dreams :lol:

[B16aTeggy]

and i can spary it..



if no one needs the tranny after this. ill take it!.. mine= gone

[Pennywise]

sounds good guys well we need to set a time to get togather and build this beast, let me kno when so i can help out with the build

[EliteZ]

+1 let me know. Any update on getting that Camaro?

[formula69]

i got a nitrous kit to throw at it as well if we need it.. we really need to set a few dates.. and quite honestly the thing that will ruin this is having too many people there.. we need to organize into specialties.. if you know a shitload about engines you will work on the engine (more specifically assembly, heads/cam, intake/manifold/ shortblock, accessories and crap) rear end, interior, electronics, etc.. this will make everything go MUCH more smoothly than just 30 people standing over a bunch of parts and a car.. i still havent even seen a posted date for any of this yet so as far as im concerned we need to get a jump on it.. im going to post a seperate thread about what date would work the best for everyone for a kind of meet and greet/planning (on paper) type thing.. just to see what that could accomplish so go post your availability

[Green_Lantern]

well we need a place to store this thing before we can even get it.

i might have a place. ill have to talk my friend into lettin me use it.

[Pennywise]

i got a nitrous kit to throw at it as well if we need it.. we really need to set a few dates.. and quite honestly the thing that will ruin this is having too many people there.. we need to organize into specialties.. if you know a shitload about engines you will work on the engine (more specifically assembly, heads/cam, intake/manifold/ shortblock, accessories and crap) rear end, interior, electronics, etc.. this will make everything go MUCH more smoothly than just 30 people standing over a bunch of parts and a car.. i still havent even seen a posted date for any of this yet so as far as im concerned we need to get a jump on it.. im going to post a seperate thread about what date would work the best for everyone for a kind of meet and greet/planning (on paper) type thing.. just to see what that could accomplish so go post your availability

sounds like a plan, cant wait to get started

[NitroGlycerin]

our street car project is done with, Al was our main sponsor...he now drives it...black ss, may have seen it.
Bastard!!

[myltwon]

omg I had a thought today

turbo v6/v8 fiero, with tons of torque that'd be a great wheelie machine :lol:

[Sneakin Deacon]

already thought about the fiero, but i would suggest an FR type car for weight transfer...i am still for the geo storm...the 10bolt will be no problem, personally, i would like to snag an 8.8 ford rear for durability, or an 8.5 GM rear...its nothing to shorten the axle tubes, and get some custom length mosers with a spool. 2000lb car will require less money to go fast due to it not needing as much power.

[Sneakin Deacon]

also specs on the geo storm

curb weight 2200lbs (estimate 2500 with engine/drivetrain/weight reduction)

as for the rear, the wheelbase is 96.5", on a fox stang, its 100.5, so 2" shortening per axle/tube is easy. shortening a driveshaft is easier.

[formula69]

i think thats a really good idea.. the less cubes from our 327 wont harm us any with the light weight car, and that engine with decent heads and a cam will probably shoot a 2500 lb geo storm down the 1320 plenty fast enough before we even think about a power adder.. anyone have a donor geo?

[Just Dave]

as for the rear, the wheelbase is 96.5", on a fox stang, its 100.5, so 2" shortening per axle/tube is easy. shortening a driveshaft is easier.


:wtf:

And how are you guys planning on converting a Storm to RWD cheaply?

[Sneakin Deacon]

plasma cutter and sheetmetal.


how are you ford guys planning on beating us? ;)

[formula69]

how are you ford guys planning on beating us? ;)hopes and dreams :lmao:

[BAMF]

Dude, you're using Ford parts to build your GM car? BWA! Why don't you just admit GM is teh sux0r?

[???]

Dude, you're using Ford parts to build your GM car? BWA! Why don't you just admit GM is teh sux0r?




huh?

[Sneakin Deacon]

Dude, you're using Ford parts to build your GM car? BWA! Why don't you just admit GM is teh sux0r?


dude, your using english, and its making you appear even more dumb than i thought. why do you think i put the 8.5" in there as an option. there is no stipulations as to what can go in yet. 8.8's are more readily available and cheap. thats why i mentioned it. if this is going to be a makes battle, then yes, i would like the chassis and powertrain of the same manufacturer...the rear end, injectors, etc, i could care less about.

[???]

dude, your using english, and its making you appear even more dumb than i thought. why do you think i put the 8.5" in there as an option. there is no stipulations as to what can go in yet. 8.8's are more readily available and cheap. thats why i mentioned it. if this is going to be a makes battle, then yes, i would like the chassis and powertrain of the same manufacturer...the rear end, injectors, etc, i could care less about.

just let it go man. ford guys have always been that fucked up. they just don't know any better...


and the injector thing made me laugh. i had a 19lb gm that i though was bad and swapped out a ford one. it wasn't it but later that night i beat a mustang and a ford friend of mine was like so, you only won because you have ford parts on your car. and sad to say he wasn't joking around.

i also took a stock ford crank which is smaller than a stock gm one. the ford one is about the same size as the aftermarket underdrive pulley for my car. so i just redrilled it to fit. i got shit every damn time I'd beat someone in a close race saying it was because i had ford parts.

[BAMF]

Well, why don't you use that and stick to your own damn car manufacturer? Really, the friggin rear end of a car is a major component, and if ya'll use a Ford rear end, then...pfft, you're just proving a point.

[???]

the point is... your a retard



how about because a old 10bolt from a 2nd gen Fbody is just as strong as a one from a fox body and just as many laying around. god knows every damn ford posi would just spin one tire...lol.

but with that said the 8.8 is narrower and all ready set up for leaf springs. its just easier because of less shit to weld on but not better.

[Sneakin Deacon]

Well, why don't you use that and stick to your own damn car manufacturer? Really, the friggin rear end of a car is a major component, and if ya'll use a Ford rear end, then...pfft, you're just proving a point.


when you make mustang guys quit putting SBC's into their fox's...call me, and ill pull the 9" from my car.

[BAMF]

when you make mustang guys quit putting SBC's into their fox's...call me, and ill pull the 9" from my car.


Dammit, I can't argue with that one; but still, I think a good rule to add would be to make everyone stick to their own car manufacturer? Just an idea.

[Sneakin Deacon]

well you have to figure, basic upgrades for some cars deal with other peoples stuff. DSM guys love using our out of date MAFT's. Supra guys take our TH400's, powerglides, TH350's, and 12 bolts.

aslong as the chassis and powertrain are the same then sure, i dont care...but the rear end? what performance value does that provide? longevity, yes, but any rear can get a spool practically, any rear can be welded for a live axle, and gears a plentiful for all of them. but even the manufacturers do that crap, T56's...chrysler, ford, and gm all use em...the Dana rear ends, i know GM and Chrysler use em..

[EliteZ]

That whole mess with him was retarded. Rearend just plants the power. It will be our Chevy model. Chevy 327. Chevy Tranny. Ahh who cares. Do as we need to. If someone has a 9" laying around than use it, if we got an 8.5 use that, 8.8 would be prefered. If your worried about longivity, than get the aftermarket Non tapering Axles for the 8.8inch. And, it will be funny if we do have a 9" laying around, and the Ford guys say thats why we won, because it sucks up alot more HP than an 8.8 does.

[Just Dave]

just let it go man. ford guys have always been that fucked up. they just don't know any better...



At least we know the difference between wheel base and track width.

[Sneakin Deacon]

by "we" you surely dont mean the entire ford tech section :lol:

and yes, it is my mistake for mixing the two up. i was in a rush lookin for specs on stuff and eating lunch. kinda figured it out this morning when i thought about it, no geo storm is ~8ft wide. :lol:

after a little more careful ( :lol: ) looking, the 95+ explorer 8.8 are 60" wide, the storms overall width is 67" in the rear. so probably wont have to touch the rear end, just find some rims with the right backspacing to fill the gap. disc brakes are a + too. downfall is the pinion offset...since the driveshaft is more then likely going to need to be shortened, the driveshaft angle could chew up some U joints or make some vibration.

[Just Dave]

The 95+ Exploder is probably the widest 8.8 out there. It also has rear disk brakes. I can't imagine a Storm being wider in the rear than a fox mustang. If you need something narrower than a stang, check out a ranger. The early rangers are narrow, however, the differential is offset to one side for fuel tank clearance. If you wanted to narrow it on the cheap, get a ranger rear end, get an extra short axle from another ranger, and narrow the long side of the housing to match the short axle. That will give you the narrowest 8.8 for the least amount of money.

[???]

well you have to figure, basic upgrades for some cars deal with other peoples stuff. DSM guys love using our out of date MAFT's. Supra guys take our TH400's, powerglides, TH350's, and 12 bolts.

aslong as the chassis and powertrain are the same then sure, i dont care...but the rear end? what performance value does that provide? longevity, yes, but any rear can get a spool practically, any rear can be welded for a live axle, and gears a plentiful for all of them. but even the manufacturers do that crap, T56's...chrysler, ford, and gm all use em...the Dana rear ends, i know GM and Chrysler use em..



nooo :roll: you don't really think your going to get a ford guy to understand there may be some parts out there as good or easier to convert than those from ford cars, do you?

[Sneakin Deacon]

this bench building crap is getting old :lol: im just going to the junk yard and measure this shit myself..dave can come and make sure i measure the right shit :lol:

[formula69]

i wanna go i wanna go!.. i say we have a cophers party on friday.. whose game

[EliteZ]

Haha, PARTAAAAYY! Alright you guys distract em, and Ill get all the motors and parts I can over the fence ASAP! (atleast we can sell the parts we dont need to help fund the project) LOL just kidding... or am I. :P :lol:

[BAMF]

nooo :roll: you don't really think your going to get a ford guy to understand there may be some parts out there as good or easier to convert than those from ford cars, do you?

Blasphemy!

Well, I guess I'm kinda biased because my GM is an F-Body, and my Ford is a Mustang. Its like pitting a Prelude against a Tercel...just not fair.

[SnowmanWS6]

Hey guys,since everyone said 3rd gen,we can use my 3rd gen firebird,its just sitting in the front yard and with everyones parts it would be one bad bitch! Its already has a roll cage and racing seats. It has a th-350 tranny with 2200 stall and shift kit. The motor is a rebuilt tpi350 with headers and true duals. If we worked on it and spraied it,it would fly. With the setup now I hit 14.2 and thats pretty quick for almost stock. What does everyone think?

[SnowmanWS6]

Heres a pic of it
http://www.fl-thirdgen.org/firebirdguy86/firebirdguy86.jpg
Heres on at BMP
http://www.tamparacing.com/photopost/data/533/medium/8920IMG_5018.jpg

[SnowmanWS6]

If we use it,we can rebuild it again,put the cam i have in it,put some heads on it,150 shot,i have an LX mustang in the back yard with a 8.8 i believe? I have a garage going to be done the 21st,my dads a mechanic and has all the tools you need plus some. I would really enjoy building a car with some fellow gearheads so let me know.

[myltwon]

I think we found our savior :lol:

[Civichik05]

Sounds like a plan

[EliteZ]

Yeah, but I still like the Geo idea :lol:, but hey that will work, I just hope the guy understands people will want most of their stuff back.

[SnowmanWS6]

Aww people are gonna want there stuff back damn! LOL yea I know but its for the good of the team.

[EliteZ]

Awesome than. Your car will be a good second choice, if we cant get ahold of everything we want. (hey Al's going out of town soon right, who watches his house? :hehe: ) Whoops borrow that engine for a minute.. LOL. I got it, get 2 Axles and metal, and well just slap a Chevy logo on the sides. that will be super light, hell no steering just make sure its lined up straight :lol: