alarm help

[b_boysaiyan]

i need help i have a autopage rs750 alarm and i want to install it but i dont have the wiring diagram for the wires i dont know what color is what and where it goes im putting it in a 94 integra and i have the wiring diagram for that so any help would be nice or if you can hook it up let me know

[TBSpyder]

Why don't you try emailing Autopage.

[b_boysaiyan]

i did they said i have to go thru a dealer and i called local dealers but they only want to install it for over 150 and for the door popper and window roll up/down they want another 150 and im not going to pay 300 for a 100 job so ill wait to see if i can get the diagram

[TBSpyder]

i did they said i have to go thru a dealer and i called local dealers but they only want to install it for over 150 and for the door popper and window roll up/down they want another 150 and im not going to pay 300 for a 100 job so ill wait to see if i can get the diagram

That's about average pricing actually, definetly not a $100 job. I don't see why they can't fax or email you the diagram though. Try calling them and telling them you're an installer at one of their dealers and you need them to send it for a customer's car you're working on.

[Notladstyle]

i did they said i have to go thru a dealer and i called local dealers but they only want to install it for over 150 and for the door popper and window roll up/down they want another 150 and im not going to pay 300 for a 100 job so ill wait to see if i can get the diagram

if you got a dealer to quote you 150 for auto window control, you were giving the rep a blowjob. I would jump on that winse dealer work is garanteed.

[b_boysaiyan]

man people who pay more then 100 to install a alarm are dumb asses it take 1 hour to install if you have all the wiring diagram and know what your doing i have installed window roll up and remote start and trunk pop door poppers and alarms but i had the color codes for the alarm its as simple as installing a car cd player or system o and if there no answer that you can help out with why u posting?

[Notladstyle]

man people who pay more then 100 to install a alarm are dumb asses it take 1 hour to install if you have all the wiring diagram and know what your doing i have installed window roll up and remote start and trunk pop door poppers and alarms but i had the color codes for the alarm its as simple as installing a car cd player or system o and if there no answer that you can help out with why u posting?

After you do your "1 hour" install job on your alarm, let me know where you park your car and I'll offer you the 1 minute alarm uninstall and complimentry car theft with for a limited time, free glass shards left in your parking space.

[b_boysaiyan]

dont try to be a smart ass

[Notladstyle]

dont try to be a smart ass

notlad > j00

[Viper4ug]

well i am an alarm tech and can tell you that a basic alarm, starter kill, shock sensor, flashing led, door locks (if you have factory door locks) all the basics installed, i have close friends that pay me 100 just to do basic alarm, there is no easy install, connections have to be long lasting, not to mention the fact that an alarm tech hides every wire so wear as someone breaks your window rips down bottom dash they cant just snatch and grab out all your wires, window up and down is generaly another 100 to install depending on if you need a window moduale or not could be more, and remote start cost another 75 to install. Remember cheaper is not always smarter, if your not a alarm tech id sugest leaving it to the pros and have your shit done right, alot can go wrong, and let me be the first to say, i have witnessed over 5 cars go up in flames from owner installed alarm systems, as for the colors of the wireing diagram for the alarm itself, generally they are on the back of the brain.... and if there not then there in the installation guide that comes with the alarm, if there are neither then your stuck because autopage does not offer that information to anyone but authorized dealers. good luck

[b_boysaiyan]

thanks for the info i quess what im saying is that its not hard to hook up wires if you know what your doing i know how to install the alarm and window and all that but if you dont know which wires are which its pretty hard that why i ask if any one knows the wiring diagram or if they didnt want to give it out hook up the basic becuase i know how to install the remote start and window roll up/down and people who pay more then 200 to install everything are not getting a good deal i have poeple who work for sound advice and best buy as alarm system installers and that how i know how i learned from them there professionals and they hook up alarms on the side for around 100 to 150 for everything if you have the alarm window module and everything i guess you just got to know the right people.

[Viper4ug]

well like i said before when i pmed you you need to call me and we will get ya squared away 813-679-6283 if your haveing a pro help ya i will get ya what you need, as a matter of fact i already have what you need just call me to pick it up and be done with your head ach, call me now before i go to bed

[kender]

if you got a dealer to quote you 150 for auto window control, you were giving the rep a blowjob. I would jump on that winse dealer work is garanteed.

if they are charging you more than $150 for window control install they are fucking you. it's 2 wires for power (12v and ground), 2 wires to the alarm ( roll up and roll down), and then 4 wires per window. I just spent last weekend not only installing my window module, but I also had to replace my factory manual window regulator with the factory power window regulator, run the wires from the motor through the dash, run wires for the switches, and I installed a hidden lock out switch to disable the window switches. all joints were soldered and heat shrinked, took 5 hours by myself, and fighting the rain as I was in my driveway.

try searching the web for the install manual. Dei is the same way they won't let you have the manual because according to them " there is no such thing as a user installed 791xv". I found someone on the web in a chat forum that posted the pdf for the install guide. If you have friends that do this for a living, and you know what your doing don't even think about having a "professional " do it. 3 highly reccomended shops in tampa/brandon have worked...no... fucked up my alarm system. A dei dealer ( viper specifically) fried a viper alarm by not hooking it up right, and then left me to deal with dei.

If you want it done right do it yourself. I would let a "pro" change a blown fuse in my car, even if THEY paid ME.

[Notladstyle]

if they are charging you more than $150 for window control install they are fucking you. it's 2 wires for power (12v and ground), 2 wires to the alarm ( roll up and roll down), and then 4 wires per window. I just spent last weekend not only installing my window module, but I also had to replace my factory manual window regulator with the factory power window regulator, run the wires from the motor through the dash, run wires for the switches, and I installed a hidden lock out switch to disable the window switches. all joints were soldered and heat shrinked, took 5 hours by myself, and fighting the rain as I was in my driveway.

try searching the web for the install manual. Dei is the same way they won't let you have the manual because according to them " there is no such thing as a user installed 791xv". I found someone on the web in a chat forum that posted the pdf for the install guide. If you have friends that do this for a living, and you know what your doing don't even think about having a "professional " do it. 3 highly reccomended shops in tampa/brandon have worked...no... fucked up my alarm system. A dei dealer ( viper specifically) fried a viper alarm by not hooking it up right, and then left me to deal with dei.

If you want it done right do it yourself. I would let a "pro" change a blown fuse in my car, even if THEY paid ME.

I hope you relayed your window power, and second, any dealer charges at least $70 an hour, so how do you say 150 is rip off for a decent 3 hour job?

[ElkiCrx]

I agree, if you want it done right, Do it yourself. You are the only person that gives a damn whether the job is done right on your car. I've seen the work of three major Car Alarm stores in the area. They perform makeshift half-assed work for a "professional" price. They don't repair what they break, and they leave it up to you to correct their mess ups. I've had "pros" dike a performance quality wire 2 inches from an allen screwed fuse capsule to test for power and then butt splice it back together. I've had them burn out a window module ,that they were a dealer for, then tell me to contact the manufacturer for a replacement. I've seen them go under the dash and ,after numerous cuts and resplices, make a rats nest out of wires they were specifically told not to touch since they were all for systems having nothing to do with the alarm. These "pros" are just folks like anyone else with a little working knowledge of automotive electrics. The big difference is they don't care about the quality of the job cause What the hell it's not their car and they are gettin paid anyway. Or they keep your car.
If you're gonna pay a "pro" price, you deserve a quality job.
To bad the big name shops in this area can't deliver quality.

[kender]

I hope you relayed your window power, and second, any dealer charges at least $70 an hour, so how do you say 150 is rip off for a decent 3 hour job?

with a window control module like the carbine unit or dei you don't need a relay. you cut the wire from the switch to the motor, namely the up and the down wire, you take the switch side up and down and connect them to the window module 2 wires (18ga wire on the window module), then take the motor side and connect it to 2 wires on the module ( 14ga wire), repeat for other window, then power and ground.

If the window switch is in the door and that's were you have to go then yes it may take a little longer to run the wires, but if the switches are on the center console it is an hour install tops. Now if you have to add the window motors then yes it will take longer but given a vehicle with power windows already 1 hour tops, and that's soldering them, however an install shop will butt splice it so it should take less time. so 3 hours to install a window module means the dealer is not using his resources to get the wire color codes so he is having to hunt and peck for the right wires ( and hope he is right), then he is going to luch, scratching his ass, and fucking you some more. 3 hours is what it would take someone with no experiance and no color codes for the vehicle, a dealer that does this for a living has the color codes and the experience so an hour is plenty, 10 minutes to pop the switch out and remove the surrounding trim, 10 min to route wires, 10 to cut and crimp the wires, 10 to hook it to power, 10 to test it and make sure it works.........oh wait the dealers don't do that step they wait till the customer picks up the car and something doesn't work. so delete that 10 min, 10 min to reassemble, they still have 10 min left.

Don't tell me they test their shit, I have been to them and they have yet to, I show up to pickup my car and the first thing I do is arm it, then unlock the door, with the key, and open it, the alarm didn't go off.....OOPS. Or the windows didn't roll up, or they say the window module is fried and I have to contact the manufacturer.....why is it fried? well when the instructions say what wires go where and you don't read them you end up trying to make the window motor go up and down at the same time.

Like I said I have been to shops in this area that have totally screwed up my systems, but amazingly since I started installing my own systems I have had absolutely no problems. I am not talking some 3 wire $40 alarm; on a 93 civic hatch and a 2004 mazda miata-Viper 791xv ( 2 of these) with proximity, tilt, glass break, and ground loop sensors, window module, trunk pop, domelight, Gothic led install, hidden valet button ( not just your normal "hidden" but actually put where you wouldn't think), piezo siren, and on a mazda the power locks are tricky so I had to add a resistor and 2 relays to simulate the lock switch. ; 88 crx si-viper 800esp with glass break, piezo siren, tilt sensor, trunk pop, gothic led, domelight supervision, channel outputs to turn on the radio, door pops ( to open doors) passenger and driver, widow module with up and down controlled my the alarm; 80 el camino- sidewinder 2000, basic alarm install with domelight supervision; 2002 pt cruiser- crimegaurd system, added power locks, custom dual led install ( color and location ). plus on the 93 civic since I have the gothic led to display the armed/disarmed status I put the regular led in a location that can't be seen from outside the car but is easy to see when your in it so that you can still program, if you don't have the bitwriter that is.

I stand by the fact that a "professional" is only given the title because that is what he does to make his living, not because he is good at it. There is enough business that repeat customers are not neccessary, so businesses can give you the finger and it doesn't matter. If you want it done right, learn how to do it, and do it your self.

[GradeA_TireFryer]

best buy charges $15.00 custom labor every 15 minutes .. that is $60.00 hour
plus you are not just paying for someones time - -its there knowdge - and warranty on install

[kender]

warranty....what warranty. Having a dealer didn't do me shit when the dealer installed it, fried it, then told me I had to call dei to take care of it. Dei didn't give a shit where I bought it, so now I do my own. As for paying for their knowledge....what knowledge? honestly all you need to know to hook up the alarm is how to crimp on a connector, and how to read...uh blue with red trace under dash goes to purple with black trace on the alarm..... how smart do you have to be? Hell most of the installers I have seen at places like bestbuy, circuit city, and Buzz Off are barely out of highschool, and last I checked advanced electronic theory wasn't taught. hell it seems like some of them didn't learn to read in highschool given their inability to look at the install directions.

I'd be willing to say that most of them can't even tell you why this shit works the way it does, or how they can modify the wiring to customize a job without causing excess current draw. I can almost guarantee that most would not be able to figure out how to simulate the a locking system so that the bipolar lock/unlock signal can interface with a unipolar current sensitive design.

I am not saying all installers suck, but after going to the shops in my area and seeing what they have to offer, no thanks I'll let my dog have a go at it first.

[Notladstyle]

best buy charges $15.00 custom labor every 15 minutes .. that is $60.00 hour
plus you are not just paying for someones time - -its there knowdge - and warranty on install

i meant dealer like Honda, Mazda, GM, ya they will do it, they just wont warranty your parts... and plz dont tell me that they dont know what they r doing

[GradeA_TireFryer]

your correct they will not warranty the product (if not purchased there) but if the install caused a problem in the car or the install fials to work, the they should fix the car and or correct the intall.

Your right also about installers, many are you kids out of high school, the problem is they do not pay enough to employ professionals or senior techs to live of off... as a ex - master mecp installer i have seen many good and many-many bad installers.

if you think its a simple job - why dont you do it your self.

i do side jobs but you must run it thru my friends shop
2nrwerks.net - ask for todd
tell him Andy sent you

[kender]

the car worked fine, it was the brain that fried. They were dealers for the viper alarm products and still couldn't hook it up properly, with the instructions sitting in my car seat the whole time. I will never go there again.

I understand the pay deal, it just sucks that very few people have a good enough work ethic to do things the right way.

now I do all my own installs, as well as all the installs for my family. Friends don't let friends...go to alarm shops." :)

[Subsonic]

no comment....
just kidding as far shops go in the area.. and ive worked at most in the pinellas area they're all hacks and are just in it for the money... i have gotten fired for soldering all my connections (imagine that :wtf: )... the only person i would work for (again) in car audio or have anything done for that matter is brad wagner formerly of N2audio now stereo werkz i can get you the number to the shop... and your right 300 to install an alarm you have already paid for is rediculous but they want to make the same money as if you bought the alarm too.... i have been installing for 10 yrs owned my own shop for 6 yrs till I moved here... and personally unless you are fairly sure that you won't fry anything i would pay the money so you have someone else to blame... all shops must have insurance and warranties but will not respect a warranty on an item they didn't sell... just my .02